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should i form a regional political party in the south?
sure you can
i just dont know what id do
and whether its necessary lol
what kind of stuff would it revolve around?
i have no idea lol
i was just thinking kinda randomly
are regional parties even that important?
I mean they can kind of be if they're organized?
ah ok
yeet
Hey Tmth
hi
tmth <3
Welcome!
Mr. R!
yankee!
fhtagn
Running on two hours sleep right now
I'm running on 3 if it makes you feel any better
everything alright?
yea
I guess
I am off today
first time I have been off on a Friday beginning a Congress
in over a year
that answers the question I was about to ask lol
at least you'll have time to nap if you want
I might do that after twelve
i wont be home till around 3, but will probably nap after since I don't work till 1 tomorrow.
3 hours of sleep + 8 hour shift + operating the forklift a bunch + 2 hours total driving both ways is a bad combo
I had to clopen. so off at 10pm last night back at 6am this morning.
Just declared for Speaker
yay!
While I appreciate any attempts to help sway voters, remember The Saints words last night. High Ethical standards must be followed when doing so
I wasn't planning on swaying folks, from what I understand I know transit won't run for speaker if you do
however i think he'd be a great choice for deputy if you need ideas.
He is my top choice for Deputy Speaker
good
I am going to try once again to track activity in a public thread
this time it won't be in my office, where no one reads it
it will be its own thread
oooo blood feast time!
We should hold a big celebration on the day that you break Ebowed's record for longest serving President @Deleted User
π
Thunder Over Nyman!
The Chthulu Jubilee!
YESSS
Just putting this out there, Queen Victoria liked dogs
π
I needed that nap
So has anyone noticed the Amendment to the Return Education to the Regions bill
Where House members failed to read title and first line and fall over themselves to try and find ever more requirements to add to the curriculum mandate
Welcome Back Centralist Consensus, Previously residing in Nyman 2004-2016
Between this and gutting the paygo rule we just passed
We seem to be retrograding back, to the previous paradigm
I don't even know what is suggestions and what is actively proposed amendments anymore
or even which amendments are being discussed
What do you mean
Well keep in mind we used to keep track of far more amendments
it is just that people have gotten extremely lazy
Basicalyl the way we kept it organized back then
was if it was actually pending, it would say amendmetn offerred
so many different "amendments" have been proposed that I don't know which version is being discussed at this time
What are you referring to specially, the bill I linked above?
yes
The whole bill is an amendment to the bill you signed
To that bill, there have since been several amendments
pushing to expand the number of required subjects
I'm aware the bill itself is an amendment
but there have been amendments to the amendment
and I don't know which version is being discussed at this time
Basically, Wxtransit, is reposting his amendment to satisfy each new request or point
though I can agree with all that's being added this might as well be a bill to end the bill that was just passed
I would say revised but I am going to treat the final offered text as a new amendment
different from the first one he offered
Exactly
Because once you load up the requirements, section 3 has to go
since you need the staff back to administer it
I also don't see why computer science is kept separate from "career course"
And knowing this Congress they will likely keep the grants, add back the staff and say who cares when it comes to deficit π
lol
remember Yankee: there's nothing wrong with debt
Lmao
You know the irony here is
our debt was much lower pre-reset
Because taxes were far figher, much earlier
It was about 12 Trillion
But taxes were ridiclous
60% top rate
and that was a moderate position
JCL was called extreme for pushing for 45%
like too low extreme?
yes
Of coruse TNF was pushing for 90%
lol
And it was set at 50% for a while
but sbane and I grudingly conceded to 60% because we care about debt
lol
I think only Maxwell voted no on that 60% rate
ironic now
lol
and now the top rate is 39.6%
same as RL yes
well RL 2016
i think the tax reform bill AZ sent me a while back proposed changing it to 50%
but I don't know whatever happened to that
here's the current budget Truman wrote
FEDERAL BUDGET: FY2018
Revenues:
Income Taxes: $ 1561.83 Billion
by tax bracket
0-13K 10%
13K-50k 15%
50K-130K 25%
130K-210K 28%
210K-413K 33%
413K-441K 35%
441K+ 39.6%
Corporate Taxes: $ 340.00 Billion
0-100K 0%
100K-1M 15%
1M-10M 21.5%
10M+ 28%
I wish he had given break downs for each line of text
each bracket I mean
I've been thinking about whether it's possible to add a new top rate of 49% for 1M+ and cut some lower rates
or something like that
Its possible
We also need to find some ways to raise more revenue for healthcare
I have some questions about that estimate
for instance
Mediciad has to funding sources
Federal and state
Is the state portions being included or not in their estimates
The other rather thing we could address budget wise is Social Security, though not immediately a big driver of the deficit
the state contributions are not included
for medicaid
That explains the shortfall then
or at least most of it
States account for 37% of Medicaid spending on average
Atlasian Healthcare ($1261.14 Billion)
$423.77 Billion... Senior Healthcare
$44.31 Billion.... Veteran Healthcare
$12.90 Billion.... Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits
$388.98 Billion... Healthcare Subsidy (Medicaid (Federal Portion)+CHIP)
$36.44 Billion ... Healthcare Subsidy (Medicaid Underutilized Expansion Est. Fed Costs)
$338.85 Billion... Healthcare Subsidy (Sliding Scale for rest of population)
$15.89 Billion.... Healthcare Subsidy Office (HSO) and AtlasCare Office (ACO) Administration
here's the healthcare spending breakdown
So then it is not the shortfall
I was talking about the revenue side
You see we are already beneath RL
Medicare and Medicaid alone are
1.2 Trillion in RL
here's other revenue
Healthcare Taxes:
Healthcare Payroll Tax - $ 856.1 Billion
5% (2.5% on employees, 2.5% on employers)
ACA Originated Taxes:
40% Cadillac Tax - $ 0.00 Billion
0.9% Payroll Tax - $ 263.35 Billion
3.8% on Net Investment Income - $ 12.80 Billion
Excise Taxes:
Carbon Tax - $ 16.35 Billion
Gasoline Tax - $ 50.00 Billion
Tobacco and Alcohol Taxes - $ 24.20 Billion
Excise taxes on health insurance providers,
pharmaceuticals, and medical devices - $ 9.90 Billion
Customs Duties: $ 36.30 Billion
Other Revenue: $ 105.00 Billion
and see, it doesn't mention state contributions to Medicaid
Sp healthcare is under by about $200 billion
hmm
WE are going to need to do a bill to on the Medicaid situation
ok
Here is the problem
the budget is acting as if both the Spending and revenue still occurs at the state level
as if nothing had changed
But Medicaid doesnt' exist
anymore
So what is that money going to
so how exactly did atlascare affect that
Abolished Medicaid
and incorporated it into the subsidy
So the entire cost of Mediciad is borne through the subsidy at the federal level
and the federal expense list should include both portions
Our deficit is thus worse than what the GM department says
π
We need to find a way to transfer that state revenue to the federal level to cover the state portion presently not included
that 39%
is about $234 billion
which is the same amount that the deficit is undervalued by
1,134 Trillion
or somewhere around there
yep
The good news is this is funded
the money is just sitting in the wrong place
1.138 T
We have to find a way to get that money kicked up to the federal level
Either with regional agreements,
or with them cutting the taxes that pay for it and us enacting them federally
That gets us back to $900 billion
Then we come up with the rest of the shortfall presently in healthcare
I think we can get the regional governments to cough up some money
which appears to be about $200 billion
so $700 billion deficit
We can forward this information to RFayette to work with regional leaders to get this done (since he hasn't had much to do as SoIA lately)
yes
We also need to get the mistake fixed in the BPC
and I know that Truman has yet to do the budget estimates for Lincoln
as it still has no unified budget yet
Actually after the mediaid portion is fixed, we need $131 billion exactly
and healthcare will be fully funded
leaving $769 billion in deficit from other programs
Basically same as RL
minus the tax cut bill in December
Military Spending ($542.19 Billion)
$123.58 Billion... Military personnel
$217.91 Billion... Operation and maintenance
$106.01 Billion... Procurement
$61.52 Billion ... Research, development, test and evaluation
$8.47 Billion..... Military Construction, Family Housing and Other
$16.58 Billion.... Atomic Energy Defense Activities
$8.11 Billion..... Defense Related activities
$0.00 Billion..... Fiscal Responsibility in our Military Act-------- I've been wondering how we can cut some of the Operation and Maintainance and Procurement costs by making them more efficient
Keep in mind Lumine is going to fight us on defense spending cuts in the Senate
he is now litterally
John McCain
lol
I know @Reactionary and I were gonna look at more ways to free up some military spending
but we both have been busy lately
Bombs Away Lumine!
and he's BALD!
and I want to find a way to make social security more efficient and free up some money from there
Social Security ($903.24 Billion)
$868.63 Billion... Social Security Outlays
$34.60 Billion.... Social Security Administration
I was just reading some information about that as well
but we can't sacrifice quality of services
cuz it will destroy us in the elections
obviously
Regardless PUP will compare us to Paul Ryan
EVIL FEDERALISTS
πΏ
WHO WANNA KILL GRANNY!
and we can cut some foreign aid too
International affairs ($31.94 Billion)
$18.88 Billion ... International development and humanitarian assistance
$8.55 Billion..... International military aid
$11.99 Billion.... Conduct of foreign affairs
$1.30 Billion..... Foreign information and exchange activities
$-8.79 Billion.... International Financial Programs
but that wont affect much
It puts a smile on my face realizing just how much Federalists are like Walter Jones.
YES!
It is not Paul Ryan fiscal conservatism, it is more blue dog fiscal conservatism combined with Walter Jones' foreign policy
yep
I'm just imagining an old man proudly smiling at his grandchildren
I call it common sense
policy
We rely on the opposition to make this fun though
and that was the problem in 2017
Late Labor was just too passive
i remember my early days in the house where there were tons of 9-0 votes
it was like that when i was in the house too π
not that my days were much older than yours
Considring you kind of succeeded each other
π
Also RIP seat number 9
Fed March 2017- Mar 2018
and now weathermemeboy will take my seatπ
Well technically not always Fed since Dereich was Indy
i think Never Again held the seat before that
Yes
Its the Never seat
and he was Speaker before you lol
lol
on paper
don't remind him
Funny thing is they once attacked us for "accumlating titles etc"
yet when it comes to Speakership
that was basically Never
I even named the old Fedcord "NSDAP" for the lulzπ
considering our recent defectors
oh shit i just noticed
hahahaa
and sociopaths driving this shit
Reminds of Duke's line criticizing the the old DA as a "Party of Disconnted Malcontents", right as I was trying to get them to like us, this was leaked
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
lol
lol
by Hamilton using NiK's account
one of the people he would have been referring to is Tmth
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