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2018-03-02 02:42:28 UTC

should i form a regional political party in the south?

2018-03-02 02:44:48 UTC

sure you can

2018-03-02 02:46:15 UTC

i just dont know what id do

2018-03-02 02:46:23 UTC

and whether its necessary lol

2018-03-02 02:47:10 UTC

what kind of stuff would it revolve around?

2018-03-02 02:47:23 UTC

i have no idea lol

2018-03-02 02:47:28 UTC

i was just thinking kinda randomly

2018-03-02 02:47:38 UTC

are regional parties even that important?

2018-03-02 02:51:17 UTC

I mean they can kind of be if they're organized?

2018-03-02 02:57:11 UTC

ah ok

2018-03-02 03:24:41 UTC

2018-03-02 03:25:05 UTC

yeet

2018-03-02 03:34:22 UTC

2018-03-02 03:36:27 UTC

Hey Tmth

2018-03-02 03:36:35 UTC

hi

2018-03-02 03:37:38 UTC

tmth <3

2018-03-02 03:51:08 UTC

2018-03-02 03:51:16 UTC

Welcome!

2018-03-02 03:51:21 UTC

Mr. R!

2018-03-02 15:59:32 UTC

2018-03-02 16:00:05 UTC

yankee!

2018-03-02 16:01:01 UTC

fhtagn

2018-03-02 16:01:14 UTC

Running on two hours sleep right now

2018-03-02 16:22:22 UTC

I'm running on 3 if it makes you feel any better

2018-03-02 16:22:25 UTC

everything alright?

2018-03-02 16:36:14 UTC

yea

2018-03-02 16:36:23 UTC

I guess

2018-03-02 16:36:25 UTC

I am off today

2018-03-02 16:36:37 UTC

first time I have been off on a Friday beginning a Congress

2018-03-02 16:36:40 UTC

in over a year

2018-03-02 16:36:49 UTC

that answers the question I was about to ask lol

2018-03-02 16:37:02 UTC

at least you'll have time to nap if you want

2018-03-02 16:40:10 UTC

I might do that after twelve

2018-03-02 16:42:00 UTC

i wont be home till around 3, but will probably nap after since I don't work till 1 tomorrow.

2018-03-02 16:42:51 UTC

3 hours of sleep + 8 hour shift + operating the forklift a bunch + 2 hours total driving both ways is a bad combo

2018-03-02 16:45:10 UTC

I had to clopen. so off at 10pm last night back at 6am this morning.

2018-03-02 17:23:30 UTC

Just declared for Speaker

2018-03-02 17:24:24 UTC

yay!

2018-03-02 17:24:36 UTC

While I appreciate any attempts to help sway voters, remember The Saints words last night. High Ethical standards must be followed when doing so

2018-03-02 17:25:37 UTC

I wasn't planning on swaying folks, from what I understand I know transit won't run for speaker if you do

2018-03-02 17:25:55 UTC

however i think he'd be a great choice for deputy if you need ideas.

2018-03-02 17:26:09 UTC

He is my top choice for Deputy Speaker

2018-03-02 17:32:10 UTC

good

2018-03-02 17:33:03 UTC

I am going to try once again to track activity in a public thread

2018-03-02 17:33:16 UTC

this time it won't be in my office, where no one reads it

2018-03-02 17:33:25 UTC

it will be its own thread

2018-03-02 19:07:43 UTC

oooo blood feast time!

2018-03-02 19:28:21 UTC

because I was curious.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418943536516300802/419214399069487126/Screenshot_20180302-142737.png

2018-03-02 21:35:55 UTC

We should hold a big celebration on the day that you break Ebowed's record for longest serving President @Deleted User

2018-03-02 21:37:00 UTC

πŸŽ†

2018-03-02 21:37:29 UTC

Thunder Over Nyman!

2018-03-02 21:38:14 UTC

The Chthulu Jubilee!

2018-03-02 21:38:23 UTC

YESSS

2018-03-03 00:14:44 UTC

Just putting this out there, Queen Victoria liked dogs

2018-03-03 00:14:46 UTC

πŸ˜›

2018-03-03 00:16:33 UTC

I needed that nap

2018-03-03 01:55:48 UTC

So has anyone noticed the Amendment to the Return Education to the Regions bill

2018-03-03 01:56:24 UTC

Where House members failed to read title and first line and fall over themselves to try and find ever more requirements to add to the curriculum mandate

2018-03-03 01:57:02 UTC

Welcome Back Centralist Consensus, Previously residing in Nyman 2004-2016

2018-03-03 02:02:30 UTC

Between this and gutting the paygo rule we just passed

2018-03-03 02:03:00 UTC

We seem to be retrograding back, to the previous paradigm

2018-03-03 02:07:24 UTC

I don't even know what is suggestions and what is actively proposed amendments anymore

2018-03-03 02:07:59 UTC

or even which amendments are being discussed

2018-03-03 02:08:51 UTC

What do you mean

2018-03-03 02:09:04 UTC

Well keep in mind we used to keep track of far more amendments

2018-03-03 02:09:11 UTC

it is just that people have gotten extremely lazy

2018-03-03 02:09:22 UTC

Basicalyl the way we kept it organized back then

2018-03-03 02:09:33 UTC

was if it was actually pending, it would say amendmetn offerred

2018-03-03 02:09:45 UTC

so many different "amendments" have been proposed that I don't know which version is being discussed at this time

2018-03-03 02:10:05 UTC

What are you referring to specially, the bill I linked above?

2018-03-03 02:10:09 UTC

yes

2018-03-03 02:10:18 UTC

The whole bill is an amendment to the bill you signed

2018-03-03 02:10:39 UTC

To that bill, there have since been several amendments

2018-03-03 02:10:52 UTC

pushing to expand the number of required subjects

2018-03-03 02:11:04 UTC

I'm aware the bill itself is an amendment

2018-03-03 02:11:10 UTC

but there have been amendments to the amendment

2018-03-03 02:11:25 UTC

and I don't know which version is being discussed at this time

2018-03-03 02:11:55 UTC

Basically, Wxtransit, is reposting his amendment to satisfy each new request or point

2018-03-03 02:12:17 UTC

though I can agree with all that's being added this might as well be a bill to end the bill that was just passed

2018-03-03 02:12:22 UTC

I would say revised but I am going to treat the final offered text as a new amendment

2018-03-03 02:12:33 UTC

different from the first one he offered

2018-03-03 02:12:52 UTC

Exactly

2018-03-03 02:13:01 UTC

Because once you load up the requirements, section 3 has to go

2018-03-03 02:13:09 UTC

since you need the staff back to administer it

2018-03-03 02:14:01 UTC

I also don't see why computer science is kept separate from "career course"

2018-03-03 02:14:28 UTC

And knowing this Congress they will likely keep the grants, add back the staff and say who cares when it comes to deficit πŸ˜›

2018-03-03 02:19:11 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418943536516300802/419317789078061057/deficit.jpg

2018-03-03 02:20:53 UTC

lol

2018-03-03 02:23:53 UTC

remember Yankee: there's nothing wrong with debt

2018-03-03 02:26:04 UTC

Lmao

2018-03-03 02:27:04 UTC

You know the irony here is

2018-03-03 02:27:09 UTC

our debt was much lower pre-reset

2018-03-03 02:27:18 UTC

Because taxes were far figher, much earlier

2018-03-03 02:27:24 UTC

It was about 12 Trillion

2018-03-03 02:27:36 UTC

But taxes were ridiclous

2018-03-03 02:27:41 UTC

60% top rate

2018-03-03 02:27:52 UTC

and that was a moderate position

2018-03-03 02:28:05 UTC

JCL was called extreme for pushing for 45%

2018-03-03 02:28:30 UTC

like too low extreme?

2018-03-03 02:30:50 UTC

yes

2018-03-03 02:31:01 UTC

Of coruse TNF was pushing for 90%

2018-03-03 02:31:09 UTC

lol

2018-03-03 02:31:16 UTC

And it was set at 50% for a while

2018-03-03 02:31:30 UTC

but sbane and I grudingly conceded to 60% because we care about debt

2018-03-03 02:31:48 UTC

lol

2018-03-03 02:32:37 UTC

I think only Maxwell voted no on that 60% rate

2018-03-03 02:32:40 UTC

ironic now

2018-03-03 02:32:50 UTC

lol

2018-03-03 02:33:12 UTC

and now the top rate is 39.6%

2018-03-03 02:33:22 UTC

same as RL yes

2018-03-03 02:33:45 UTC

well RL 2016

2018-03-03 02:34:07 UTC

i think the tax reform bill AZ sent me a while back proposed changing it to 50%

2018-03-03 02:34:14 UTC

but I don't know whatever happened to that

2018-03-03 02:35:04 UTC

here's the current budget Truman wrote

2018-03-03 02:35:08 UTC

FEDERAL BUDGET: FY2018

Revenues:

Income Taxes: $ 1561.83 Billion
by tax bracket
0-13K 10%
13K-50k 15%
50K-130K 25%
130K-210K 28%
210K-413K 33%
413K-441K 35%
441K+ 39.6%

Corporate Taxes: $ 340.00 Billion
0-100K 0%
100K-1M 15%
1M-10M 21.5%
10M+ 28%

2018-03-03 02:36:29 UTC

I wish he had given break downs for each line of text

2018-03-03 02:36:38 UTC

each bracket I mean

2018-03-03 02:38:25 UTC

I've been thinking about whether it's possible to add a new top rate of 49% for 1M+ and cut some lower rates

2018-03-03 02:38:37 UTC

or something like that

2018-03-03 02:38:49 UTC

Its possible

2018-03-03 02:39:29 UTC

We also need to find some ways to raise more revenue for healthcare

2018-03-03 02:40:18 UTC

I have some questions about that estimate

2018-03-03 02:40:21 UTC

for instance

2018-03-03 02:40:30 UTC

Mediciad has to funding sources

2018-03-03 02:40:32 UTC

Federal and state

2018-03-03 02:40:43 UTC

Is the state portions being included or not in their estimates

2018-03-03 02:47:08 UTC

The other rather thing we could address budget wise is Social Security, though not immediately a big driver of the deficit

2018-03-03 02:47:23 UTC

the state contributions are not included

2018-03-03 02:47:41 UTC

for medicaid

2018-03-03 02:49:14 UTC

That explains the shortfall then

2018-03-03 02:49:21 UTC

or at least most of it

2018-03-03 02:51:23 UTC

States account for 37% of Medicaid spending on average

2018-03-03 02:52:41 UTC

Atlasian Healthcare ($1261.14 Billion)
$423.77 Billion... Senior Healthcare
$44.31 Billion.... Veteran Healthcare
$12.90 Billion.... Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits
$388.98 Billion... Healthcare Subsidy (Medicaid (Federal Portion)+CHIP)
$36.44 Billion ... Healthcare Subsidy (Medicaid Underutilized Expansion Est. Fed Costs)
$338.85 Billion... Healthcare Subsidy (Sliding Scale for rest of population)
$15.89 Billion.... Healthcare Subsidy Office (HSO) and AtlasCare Office (ACO) Administration

2018-03-03 02:52:53 UTC

here's the healthcare spending breakdown

2018-03-03 02:53:52 UTC

So then it is not the shortfall

2018-03-03 02:54:01 UTC

I was talking about the revenue side

2018-03-03 02:54:29 UTC

You see we are already beneath RL

2018-03-03 02:54:46 UTC

Medicare and Medicaid alone are

2018-03-03 02:54:52 UTC

1.2 Trillion in RL

2018-03-03 02:55:12 UTC

here's other revenue

2018-03-03 02:55:15 UTC

Healthcare Taxes:
Healthcare Payroll Tax - $ 856.1 Billion
5% (2.5% on employees, 2.5% on employers)

ACA Originated Taxes:
40% Cadillac Tax - $ 0.00 Billion
0.9% Payroll Tax - $ 263.35 Billion
3.8% on Net Investment Income - $ 12.80 Billion

Excise Taxes:
Carbon Tax - $ 16.35 Billion
Gasoline Tax - $ 50.00 Billion
Tobacco and Alcohol Taxes - $ 24.20 Billion
Excise taxes on health insurance providers,
pharmaceuticals, and medical devices - $ 9.90 Billion

Customs Duties: $ 36.30 Billion

Other Revenue: $ 105.00 Billion

2018-03-03 02:55:50 UTC

and see, it doesn't mention state contributions to Medicaid

2018-03-03 02:55:53 UTC

Sp healthcare is under by about $200 billion

2018-03-03 02:56:02 UTC

hmm

2018-03-03 02:56:29 UTC

WE are going to need to do a bill to on the Medicaid situation

2018-03-03 02:56:43 UTC

ok

2018-03-03 02:56:46 UTC

Here is the problem

2018-03-03 02:57:03 UTC

the budget is acting as if both the Spending and revenue still occurs at the state level

2018-03-03 02:57:06 UTC

as if nothing had changed

2018-03-03 02:57:11 UTC

But Medicaid doesnt' exist

2018-03-03 02:57:15 UTC

anymore

2018-03-03 02:57:34 UTC

So what is that money going to

2018-03-03 02:57:46 UTC

so how exactly did atlascare affect that

2018-03-03 02:57:55 UTC

Abolished Medicaid

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and incorporated it into the subsidy

2018-03-03 02:58:19 UTC

So the entire cost of Mediciad is borne through the subsidy at the federal level

2018-03-03 02:58:32 UTC

and the federal expense list should include both portions

2018-03-03 02:58:51 UTC

Our deficit is thus worse than what the GM department says

2018-03-03 02:59:17 UTC

πŸ’€

2018-03-03 02:59:36 UTC

We need to find a way to transfer that state revenue to the federal level to cover the state portion presently not included

2018-03-03 02:59:41 UTC

that 39%

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is about $234 billion

2018-03-03 03:00:02 UTC

which is the same amount that the deficit is undervalued by

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1,134 Trillion

2018-03-03 03:00:24 UTC

or somewhere around there

2018-03-03 03:00:40 UTC

yep

2018-03-03 03:00:49 UTC

The good news is this is funded

2018-03-03 03:00:57 UTC

the money is just sitting in the wrong place

2018-03-03 03:01:04 UTC

1.138 T

2018-03-03 03:01:14 UTC

We have to find a way to get that money kicked up to the federal level

2018-03-03 03:01:28 UTC

Either with regional agreements,

2018-03-03 03:01:55 UTC

or with them cutting the taxes that pay for it and us enacting them federally

2018-03-03 03:02:17 UTC

That gets us back to $900 billion

2018-03-03 03:02:32 UTC

Then we come up with the rest of the shortfall presently in healthcare

2018-03-03 03:02:34 UTC

I think we can get the regional governments to cough up some money

2018-03-03 03:02:55 UTC

which appears to be about $200 billion

2018-03-03 03:03:03 UTC

so $700 billion deficit

2018-03-03 03:03:16 UTC

We can forward this information to RFayette to work with regional leaders to get this done (since he hasn't had much to do as SoIA lately)

2018-03-03 03:03:26 UTC

yes

2018-03-03 03:03:49 UTC

We also need to get the mistake fixed in the BPC

2018-03-03 03:04:05 UTC

and I know that Truman has yet to do the budget estimates for Lincoln

2018-03-03 03:04:16 UTC

as it still has no unified budget yet

2018-03-03 03:05:02 UTC

Actually after the mediaid portion is fixed, we need $131 billion exactly

2018-03-03 03:05:10 UTC

and healthcare will be fully funded

2018-03-03 03:06:02 UTC

leaving $769 billion in deficit from other programs

2018-03-03 03:08:05 UTC

Basically same as RL

2018-03-03 03:08:18 UTC

minus the tax cut bill in December

2018-03-03 03:08:26 UTC

Military Spending ($542.19 Billion)
$123.58 Billion... Military personnel
$217.91 Billion... Operation and maintenance
$106.01 Billion... Procurement
$61.52 Billion ... Research, development, test and evaluation
$8.47 Billion..... Military Construction, Family Housing and Other
$16.58 Billion.... Atomic Energy Defense Activities
$8.11 Billion..... Defense Related activities
$0.00 Billion..... Fiscal Responsibility in our Military Act-------- I've been wondering how we can cut some of the Operation and Maintainance and Procurement costs by making them more efficient

2018-03-03 03:08:53 UTC

Keep in mind Lumine is going to fight us on defense spending cuts in the Senate

2018-03-03 03:08:58 UTC

he is now litterally

2018-03-03 03:09:03 UTC

John McCain

2018-03-03 03:09:06 UTC

lol

2018-03-03 03:09:25 UTC

I know @Reactionary and I were gonna look at more ways to free up some military spending

2018-03-03 03:09:33 UTC

but we both have been busy lately

2018-03-03 03:10:04 UTC

Bombs Away Lumine!

2018-03-03 03:10:48 UTC

and he's BALD!

2018-03-03 03:12:11 UTC

and I want to find a way to make social security more efficient and free up some money from there

2018-03-03 03:12:14 UTC

Social Security ($903.24 Billion)
$868.63 Billion... Social Security Outlays
$34.60 Billion.... Social Security Administration

2018-03-03 03:12:38 UTC

I was just reading some information about that as well

2018-03-03 03:13:10 UTC

but we can't sacrifice quality of services

2018-03-03 03:13:21 UTC

cuz it will destroy us in the elections

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obviously

2018-03-03 03:13:38 UTC

Regardless PUP will compare us to Paul Ryan

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EVIL FEDERALISTS

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πŸ‘Ώ

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WHO WANNA KILL GRANNY!

2018-03-03 03:15:30 UTC

and we can cut some foreign aid too

2018-03-03 03:15:33 UTC

International affairs ($31.94 Billion)
$18.88 Billion ... International development and humanitarian assistance
$8.55 Billion..... International military aid
$11.99 Billion.... Conduct of foreign affairs
$1.30 Billion..... Foreign information and exchange activities
$-8.79 Billion.... International Financial Programs

2018-03-03 03:15:48 UTC

but that wont affect much

2018-03-03 03:16:37 UTC

It puts a smile on my face realizing just how much Federalists are like Walter Jones.

2018-03-03 03:16:46 UTC

YES!

2018-03-03 03:17:17 UTC

It is not Paul Ryan fiscal conservatism, it is more blue dog fiscal conservatism combined with Walter Jones' foreign policy

2018-03-03 03:17:26 UTC

yep

2018-03-03 03:17:39 UTC

I'm just imagining an old man proudly smiling at his grandchildren

2018-03-03 03:17:48 UTC

I call it common sense

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policy

2018-03-03 03:18:15 UTC

We rely on the opposition to make this fun though

2018-03-03 03:18:31 UTC

and that was the problem in 2017

2018-03-03 03:18:38 UTC

Late Labor was just too passive

2018-03-03 03:19:28 UTC

i remember my early days in the house where there were tons of 9-0 votes

2018-03-03 03:19:51 UTC

it was like that when i was in the house too πŸ˜›

2018-03-03 03:19:58 UTC

not that my days were much older than yours

2018-03-03 03:20:20 UTC

Considring you kind of succeeded each other

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πŸ˜›

2018-03-03 03:20:38 UTC

Also RIP seat number 9

2018-03-03 03:20:50 UTC

Fed March 2017- Mar 2018

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and now weathermemeboy will take my seatπŸ˜›

2018-03-03 03:21:02 UTC

Well technically not always Fed since Dereich was Indy

2018-03-03 03:21:19 UTC

i think Never Again held the seat before that

2018-03-03 03:21:22 UTC

Yes

2018-03-03 03:21:27 UTC

Its the Never seat

2018-03-03 03:21:42 UTC

and he was Speaker before you lol

2018-03-03 03:21:49 UTC

lol

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on paper

2018-03-03 03:21:52 UTC

don't remind him

2018-03-03 03:22:14 UTC

Funny thing is they once attacked us for "accumlating titles etc"

2018-03-03 03:22:22 UTC

yet when it comes to Speakership

2018-03-03 03:22:32 UTC

that was basically Never

2018-03-03 03:24:15 UTC

I even named the old Fedcord "NSDAP" for the lulz😈

2018-03-03 03:24:33 UTC

considering our recent defectors

2018-03-03 03:24:36 UTC

oh shit i just noticed

2018-03-03 03:24:37 UTC

hahahaa

2018-03-03 03:24:46 UTC

and sociopaths driving this shit

2018-03-03 03:25:26 UTC

Reminds of Duke's line criticizing the the old DA as a "Party of Disconnted Malcontents", right as I was trying to get them to like us, this was leaked

2018-03-03 03:25:41 UTC

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

2018-03-03 03:25:43 UTC

lol

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lol

2018-03-03 03:25:57 UTC

by Hamilton using NiK's account

2018-03-03 03:26:30 UTC

one of the people he would have been referring to is Tmth

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