So being anti-feminist means being anti-narrative means being a Nazi

Yeah kind of but they did that only because the militant approach failed. if you see what I mean.

Sure, yes.

If you read about the communist groups and their rethoric

the thing that strikes me is the difference in their values and attitudes to things like human life..

also the socialist movement used to be pretty sexist...

the idea of feminism was seen as capitalist..

also the socialists where not spoiled children then

originally the socialists where psychopathic workerclass brutes

Everything is sexist and racist.

yeah but in the 30thies, workerclass movements hated the idea of women stealing their jobs..

Someone vetted Virtue? Okay I'm outta here 😉

they also hated the idea of rich women telling poor men what to do
-by hirering poor people for labout..

Okej

bye

jokes

Women only "steal" white collar jobs.

I dont think they understud the difference..

Women won't steal coal miner jobs.

True.. but I dont think they saw it like that..

They probably did. White collar jobs are the good jobs 😛 the only ones worth stealing.

well back in those days -- women actually stole some factory jobs

actually lots of factories had alot and alot of women..
when the first machines where installed

http://www.lycoming.edu/textile/img/aboutSilk.jpg

this one demonstrates my point..

I think I delete the other one

MUCH BETTER!

Ahh, the times before feminism 😃 when we were all equal 😃

Anyway. lots of women also used to own their pubs and resturants.
back in the old day where alcohol was free for all.
And they where private teachers and doctors..

Women where kind of equal back then..
feminism and socialism just fucked it up

Oh right, couldn't sell booze, but if you had it you could drink it 😃

Women dominated the private school sector and the private hospital sector..
when social welfare started.. they went unemployed..

Sort of how the role of the father became obsolete

Well there are laws now who can sell alchohol and stuff
and liquir stores and resturants are regulated by various health agencies
that favored MEN

Sweet!

my point was that women owned all the pubs and resturants
when there was no regulation..

you know the old sexy barmaid

Oh I *know* many 😉

(jokes)

What do you think should be provided by the state?

alot of things probably.. should be provided by the state
but the socialist most certainly got it all wrong.

Please elaborate.

state science
medical research
insurance
legal aid
post office.
police
water
electricity
roads
public housing,
parks
nature preserve
culture preserve subsidiare
other stuff

I think the wirees and telephone and internet
cables should be public
and the companies can run the actual services..

also I think you should have good
state schools only for the most gifted and smartest
and if they fail they have to go to private school

You don't think that schools should be the other way around?

also the central bank should be state owned..

nope

I dont want schools that are meant to equalize things..

What about schools that teach the unwashed masses how to get a job, to help the nation

I estimate that more than 30 percent of the population
are so genetically stupid they will auto fail any education..

just give education to the elite.. and only if they get good grades..
and treaten the parents with expulsion so they are dependentent

Formal education is certainly overrated.

I want conservative formal authoritarian disciplinarian schools

molding the entire country into the party

I certainly wouldn't attend one.

you know about confusian education system?

Nope

success in state school should mean that you get elevated social rank
that you become nobility and eligable for work in the goverment
and in the beurocracy

every who fails state education are
the servants and lower social classes..
the voice less

the elite shall be the thinkers, artists,lawmen and
beurocrats..
all loyal to the party

I can see how that would have merit. Especially for those who can succeed in that school environment.

its all about meritocracy..

What if there is a flaw in the system somewhere. Would the elites be free to question the system?

If you dont get this state education
then you still have rights and you are still protected by the law

the thing is that this system is very good at adjusting

the elites questions and address the social problems all the time

Yes its not regid in that sense

What if an elite, for example, wanted to question the existence of god? Or wanted to promote degeneracy?

consider our own democratic system
which is so obsesses with asking normal people what they think
to get their votes
that that the entire system is drowning in nonsensical opinions
and every fucking idiot is encouraged to believe
they just as insighfull as some professor.

Agreed.

in the Chinese beurocracy there where no theological restrictions.

But ensuring everyone has the same ideology can lead to a bit of insular thinking

The chinese beuroctats questioned and debated openly
every aspect of religion and tradition.

Good deal

the one shared ideology is just a front for the political system..

in our current political system nothing less than a fanatical ideology
can push through the simplest reform..

Agreed. Lowest common denominator is what can get consensus. Or outright war.

More specific. The shared ideology is the education system
people will not submit to authoritive teacher-student relationships
in a democracy.

Is authoritative the proper method?

Yes.

like anti-student democracy.

I haven't read this book in a while, but it moved me at the time. http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

The concept of the authoritarian follower was terrifying.

I read about teaching methods and the history of changes in teachers methods
and think the old disciplin oriented education sytem was the correct
one and this education we have now is based
on free upbringing and having discussions with children
to get them to understand things..

...sight I meant authoritarian as authoritian
not the political system..

Human beings have and need authority figures..

Yes, but questioning authority is very useful.

I am not saying that we should brainwash children or make everyone

That is a bit of modern propaganda you have been feed.

They did question authority

The individual should.

students and other teachers did question teatchers
in the entire victorian era.

But they did so within their system.
they still had authority figures..

Questioning authority isn't mutually exclusive with having authority.

the current school system has abolish the authorative figure

Exactly

I haven't been in school for quite a while.

you haven't?

I remember seeing peers spanked bare bottom in front of the whole class.