ok, so catholics invented it, good game, its over

btw, a roman emperor slew the descendants of David. so there is no other possible Messiah than Jesus

@Bibleman ouch

Romans are very violent

They would have to be fairly violent. We know that Rome (pagan rome) is the beast of Iron with great teeth in Daniel 7. Daniel 7:23, Luke 2:1.

**Daniel 7:23 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<23> This is what he said: "As for the fourth beast, there shall be a fourth kingdom on earth that shall be different from all the other kingdoms; it shall devour the whole earth, and trample it down, and break it to pieces. ```

**Luke 2:1 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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The Birth of Jesus

<1> In those days a decree went out from Emperor Augustus that all the world should be registered. ```

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qro2qyYBLqo

They constantly depict Christians as crazy people, this is part of their agenda

Yes
Drive away the kids

And teens

It worked for me 👍

Family Guy attacked atheism too though and I think they had a very important message

Louis said something like the priests can be crazy people but you cant deny the existence of god

I went on my own way after a while in christianity

This episode was about Brian announcing about being an atheist

Leviticus 18:22

**Leviticus 18:22 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<22> You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. ```

Yes, it is

Bad cropping @Bibleman

And the attack on Brian took a much more serious tone

i guess that means gayness is forbidden

It is not natural, it is not genetic

Ofc it is

duh gayness is forbidden

i agree, it is not natural

fornication in general is forbidden

But fornication with the same sex is extra bad

it's all bad

You get banished for fornicating, right?

Homosexuality is death.

It is all bad, but homo is worse

so are you homophobic

terrified.

jk

no

I'm not afraid of gays

Homophobic =/= homophobe

Words don't mean words?

I just don't think it's very loving to tell people it's ok to fornicate gay or not when it causes you to lose your immortal soul without repentance

promoting sin is wicked and means you don't really care about the people tempted by it

If you don't warn them you are letting them burn

Their blood is on your hands

Doublethink @Bibleman

doubleplus good

god might be real

but I won't believe in him

upset with Him, Chef?

nah

just don't wanna

Don't be upset when you don't get eternal life then

well there must be a reason you 'don't wanna'

maybe it was because of my depression

of 4 years

+a lot more

reproduction is not fornication

So just having sex is forbidden yo?

it can result in reproduction

so yeah it can be reproduction

But what if people just want to have sex

>>clear 30

<:vSuccess:390202497827864597> Cleaned **30** messages.

>>clear 3

<:vSuccess:390202497827864597> Cleaned **3** messages.

Dang(censored from damn because Christian yo) yo

@Tinyboyjohnson This room is for religious discussion not just Christian.

Whoa yo

**Mark 11:12-14 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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Jesus Curses the Fig Tree

<12> On the following day, when they came from Bethany, he was hungry. <13> Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to see whether perhaps he would find anything on it. When he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs. <14> He said to it, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard it. ```

**Mark 13:32 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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The Necessity for Watchfulness

<32> "But about that day or hour no one knows, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. ```

1 Corinthians 15:45-47 King James Version (KJV)
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

**1 Corinthians 15:45-47 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<45> And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. <46> Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. <47> The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. ```

Hosea 13:4
“Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.”

**Hosea 13:4 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<4> Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. ```

Isaiah 43:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

**Isaiah 43:11 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<11> I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour. ```

2 Corinthians 5:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

**2 Corinthians 5:19 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<19> To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. ```

1 Corinthians 10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.

It is not for bashing people for their religious beliefs here. It is for civil discourse on beliefs.

Obviously if you are trying to say Christianity is false Christians will not like that. Use bible verses to support your supposition. If they see them not the same as you. OK.

In other words be as nice as you can be to the others here.

Christianity is the only true way to God

Everything else is invalid

That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Why would an atheist be trinitarian I dont understand

I'm an atheist and I am not trinitarian

Yeah I don't get it

I'm up for some discussion on opinions of past mythos and their relevance in today's society

whether or not they still have a following and if their texts still hold some real life value

"Religious discussion is allowed but do not force your beliefs onto others. If you wish to promote your religious beliefs, please keep it civil.
Do NOT mock or disrespect other peoples beliefs. "

I hope to have a civil discussion about it

@Bibleman Same here. The three are not connected. Atheist believe God not real. Jews and Muslims believe God is One most believe round earth. Many Christians believe the Son is the Spirit of God in the flesh.

What do you believe about this video. I am not sharing my opinion. Only watched the beginning so far. Not where he expresses his belief on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcn8u7b9Jtk

not going to lie, the esword thing looked cool

That does look like the face of an evil witch. Strange how so many of these paintings can be seen differently when examined.

Look for a demon under every rock and you shall find one

I think that's how the quote went

anyways

any type of analysis can yield any type of conclusion

you're welcome to have your own but it doesn't necessarily reflect the mass or the intentions of the artist

you're welcome to have your opinion, that's the beauty of art appreciation and analysis

I make no man my master. I just take what seems logical and diss what does not seem logical. This painting always seemed very strange to me. Why all the nude people. Porn or what? How is a Church the proper place for porn?

Standards change, societies change

at one point everyone had a thing for naked sculptures

art is great as it can reflect the past's views on the world

Well seems to me these Chapels were purely demonic. So many demonic statues and so many evil people honored with in them. I see little good about these Chapels. Seems to me they were worshiping Lucifer without exception.

everyone is entitled to their opinion

I sort of agree with is but I haven't been to any chapels recently

one of my relatives is making a pilgrimage to one

I am speaking of the old ones like Notre Dam that recently was burned. That time period. I have seen many newer churches that have none of this Luciferian stuff.

Or it is well hidden.

Most older chapels are for the history buffs

Darker secrets are often fun to sift through

been to a few in mexico (?) and they have all this cool underground stuff

Like the Steeples are likely Phallic symbols.

being oppressed by demons certainly makes life interesting. Yesterday along with the usual flies and weird bugs following me around, a baby praying mantis landed on my finger. Today, found a massive black widow under my chair, and then ran into a huge grasshopper. That’s not even getting into my encounters with possessed people. basically, Hallel(the devil) puts it into high gear when you challenge him

cool bug

they usually make a show of trying to scare me with repetitive symbolism, “coincidental” encounters, noises in the walls wherever I go, and physical attacks, (muscle twitching, headaches, back pain, etc) but today I had two ambiguous government employees just setting down some cones and finishing up right as I walked by. One of them gave me the two-finger peace sign-its satanic- after walking for another 10 minutes they pulled up right next to me to “set up some more cones” and basically threatened my dog by saying “its getting pretty hot, idk if your dog can take this heat.”

i told them “my dog can take more than you think” and then “god bless!” they gave me a dirty look 😂 they really think they can scare me, i just keep smiling. I walk with God, these veiled threats are all they can do. without my fear, they’re powerless

every day they try to torment me, it just strengthens my faith, because their efforts just prove that the Spirit is with me

they're just bugs and normal social interactions

you can make what you make of it

https://youtu.be/-N4jf6rtyuw

theres a verse about how the fallen souls will have an excuse to deny every bit of truth they see, you always have an excuse

Thessalonians 2:9-12

"The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

maybe half a year ago i would have succumbed to those delusions, but theres something about the consistently of it for a long period of time that really puts away all my doubt

the whole point is to make me look schizophrenic so i freak out and get locked up. Not gonna work

@mineyful i’ve had spiritual experiences with demons on top of it, so it’s clear as day to me. walking around for me, it’s honestly sad seeing all those still trapped in the matrix who don’t realize theres a whole war going on behind the veil that we cant see. your leaders know it, the saints know it, and for us, its like we can see through the code and coincidence no longer exists. you realize its a game, or a movie, or a book already written, and we’re just playing it out. I was lucky to escape the witchcraft with my soul, and thats why they hound me, because they almost had me. for most of you, they keep you in the dark, bound by your temptations, unwilling to resist long enough to see what comes to drag you back

@Fran

@Fran

THE EARTH IIS A CUBEA

Dont worry guys i know jew jitsu i call this the gas chamber

Jooo Jitsuuuu

actually the Jooo's have a great technique they call " Krav Maga" all the MOSSAD are trained in the art

I was browsing sacred writing, and the book of job was listed as being in the Hebrew texts, not the Christian

Is this correct?

Under Christian is Luke and acts

In my bible all of the chapters are in there

Also my bible is bent because it’s made of leather, how do I restore it

and just like the demon warned me yesterday, my dog’s nail broke today and was bleeding. and just like i told him, she didn’t show any sign of pain, because she can handle more than they give her credit for. they attack my faith by attacking her and those i love. remember, these are tests from the Father, and everything that happens is His will. they can either weaken your faith, or strengthen it. Even the legions of the evil one are merely tools of the Father to test mankind

spray the leather with warm water.. wipe quickly let dry..

or get a nice leather preservative cream or oil

like BOOT CREAM

for hunting boots

Alright I left it to press under a bunch of books when I get back I’ll spray it

perfect

spray it .. rub in .. then press it again keeping it flat

@mineyful Job is Old Testament. There is some debate about its origin. Some say it was originally a Greek book or other book. It is unknown who Job was when born and so on and so forth. I like the book it is very enlightening. Most Christians like Job.

Alright thanks

Satan in Job is not well known. In the Hebrew it says an angel with the job position of Adversary. It is not the name of an entity just a job title. This explains why he was in the Assembly of God among the angels. Why he followed the commands of God to perfection never once doing more than what God said could be done to Job.

@Morning Dew You said that very well. Red pill for those without understanding of this.

Job is the OLDEST BOOK in the BIBLE

JUS FOR YOUR INFO

Is that why it pops up sometimes in other religious tomes

So the Bible isn’t ordered right

Because job is somewhere in the middle

IS YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY and history in “ perfect order” ?? I think not

They were grouping books together that were consecutive in their blood lines thinking and who wrote them Job just happened to be put where it is because it is it wasn’t put there for any other reason

The satan in job is the same satan as in revelation and the serpent in the garden

satan means adversary, to be am adversary to God means you are against him. Meaning the satan in job is the devil

So does it or does it not matter how you read the Bible

@Delerium

Your salvation suggestion depends on a different person, one cannot love someone who doesnt love you back

so sell that to someone else

we are all the same in the Spirit, your situation is not unique

I love my dogs, thats enough

Well a lot of people committing the sins you speak of are all just fine, and not suffering at all

So that doesnt make any sense

they seek the world, and so they have their rewards already. do not mistake the joy of sin for the love of Spirit

if sin wasn’t pleasurable, then there would be no need for laws against it

if the heart could be trusted, then Jesus would not tell us to reject our hearts

Nature created enjoyable substances, the human body was made for peasure

animals were made for pleasure. you are not an animal.

this is a test. it would be easy if you succeeded by doing what felt good. Suffering is a virtue, and the Spirit is its own reward.

you will find, once you reject your temptations, that the joy you feel from inside is as a stone that does not move despite how the winds blow. the joy from sin is a straw house that blows away, leaving you in your fear of death. you know this

so many never try, and so they never know. i do not fear the reaper, that is true happiness. i know this is not the end

I understand what you're saying but I don't believe in god, at least not in the bible sense

@Bibleman We are veted here. That is not acting against us. Adversary is an job description meaning someone who test us. Vets us to see are we truly close to God or just making out like we are close to God.

I do not see the adversary in the Old Testament the same as Satan in the New Testament or Enoch.

I’ll just straight out say I’m not close to god

It is the same adversary

Job passed the test. God gave him it all back and more. Had this not happened Job would have had less in the end.

I didn’t finish the chapter, did he really get everything back

The Satan in the New Testament fights against us for his own exoneration.

I was the same, until I dabbled in sorcery seeking pleasure and saw into the spiritual world, and realized there was a hidden world behind the world. Then I sought to go the opposite and instead of enticing me with sin, they began their attacks. You may not believe in God, but there is a hidden society behind closed doors that knows what I know and so they oppress me. They want you being an atheist, so that you become a good slave.

Don’t mind that if it pays well

I totally agree with that.

When we do something like that there is a price to pay. Getting out of it is no easy task.

what does it profit a man to gain the world for a decade and lose his soul for all eternity?

Dunno what hells like so why not

like a nightmare that never ends

I had a dream about hell once

Our graphic depiction is from Dante IIRC

Just for the rest of their life and perhaps three or more lifetimes. Eternity is not a punishment I can possibly believe in. No good loving God would do that as I see it.

did not feel like a dream

dreams are not random thoughts. they mean things, sometimes about the future, sometimes about yourself

demons tempt me in my dreams

Dreams can have meaning. Or they can just be dreams. When you are in the state of being tested they may all have meaning. I agree.

there is meaning in everything we see. we just don’t always grasp it. i do not believe in coincidence or randomness

you look for the pattern in nature, and you see it

So what do you do for god?

and nature notices that you see it, and reacts

They are riddles. Dark often. Meaning is often difficult to discern. Especially when being tested real hard.

I do all possible for God.

Steve, what about dreams that u can control? I used to lucid dream all the time

total control of the dream

I take care of my grandkids for my daughter and son in law living here so they can go on a vacation without the kids for example.

not enough, thats for sure. he tells me that i need to do more with guilt. for now, i read, and I take notes, and I preach on the internet. i still don’t have the courage to do it in public, but I’m working towards it

Guilt about what?

Most of the time I could control my dreams. So if one started I did not like, say cheating on my wife, I would change it so it was her I was showing love to.

every time i walk past someone and don’t say something. when you know the world is a test and everything matters and happens for a reason, you realize you lost an opportunity

Thats different, im talking about being in the dream completely aware, aware that you are in a dream, aware that you are sleeping, literally in a virtual reality of your own

the world is asleep and we need to wake them up. sin blinds them

I would suggest you continue as you are doing. Preaching in public is not really a good thing till you are really able to do it properly.

Preaching in public is downright annoying

I would try to say things like have a good day. If they look scared ask them can I help.

I would avoid religion unless they ask what do you believe.

even if someone do need help they are not gonna tell it to a stranger who suddenly came to talk to you

Hard to say. My daughter saw a scared woman. Asked can we help. Drove her to a safe location.

the way the winds blow, and the creeping things behave, and all the signs, and the way the birds react to me, God is just constantly talking to me, and then i look at the other side and see the devil in everyone that doesn’t know. They often don’t even know that the devil just sent me an omen through them

I drove a scared man to a Walmart.

You scared of fighting the devil?

Dreams are very interesting

But try not to think much of them

Yes. I have seen the devil in many people. They do not want help most of the time. They do not understand how demonically possessed they are and you can not help them.

Ill do it for you, someone has to be a sinner and go to hell, to defeat him at his home

Ill be an infiltrator

No offense but historically demon possessions were dementia/schizophrenia related

Spooky stuff

If you are joking fine. If not ask your boss about God.

that’s just what they want you to think

I’m certified to deal with dementia patients

And Alzheimer’s

I have two demons inside me

I assure you demonic possession is a very real thing. Seen it a lot.

It’s saddening

You can see the brain literally deteriorate with alzhimers

Is it that or demonic possession your profession denies is real?

Their brain is just commiting suicide because of how awful this world is

Prions are no joke

Lol, you go through enough, and then people come tell you its your fault

Not saying that alzheimer's is not a real thing. I just wonder is it sometimes demonic possession.