Okay, and did it keep you afloat?

Did you starve to death?

Did you lose all ability to house yourself?

Welfare is a handicap.

Something you use to get yourself on your feet.

if you want to

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 I'm just saying it wasn't necessarily a "hand out"

You shouldn't try to live off of what the government gives you.

It's so little.

and it's not like it was a lot

I'd rather let you starve to death than let the goberment get involved

and I'm 100% serious

Or Y'know.

That's not welfare, that's employment insurance.

Instead of trying to find food you should try to find a job.

Something you can only get if you have worked over a certain number of hours

I think if cities want that sort of thing they need to be willing to pay it themselves. So if a city wants Welfare, they need to pay it out of their own budget.

That would give people a measure for how unsustainable it is.

I'm personally in favor of giving the taxpayers more control over how their money is allocated. That way, they'd have to sell the idea to us.

mfw @Milk is forced to accept handouts via pandhandling when whatever job he has becomes automated <:HyperLmao:459545665517780993>

@Milk while I technically agree, I believe that is less likely to happen once we move to private charity

I'm not going to comment

I hate debates about automation

why because it's a real issue

It isn't

go away

Lol

You sound like a conspiracy theorist

and not this penny ante shit about social programs?

Automation debate is fearmongering

Automation will be an issue within a few decades.

Automation debate is not only real, it's happened in the past

It was an issue when car manufacturers started it.

"AI is going to..." *puts on tin foil hat* "replace all the jobs man"

Thousands of jobs lost to machines.

lol

fearmongering

A huge portion of the labour pool

Gone.

more like genuine foreboading

Thousands of new jobs open up in new industries

Not all jobs, but jobs for people who have not yet been able to get an education.

No

i said I hate these debTes

go back to welfare

People do get education though

Teenagers, and young adults who reply on those jobs to pay tuition.

Etc.

abolish the DoEd

This is off topic though.

so I suppose people more educated and intelligent than you are by a long shot worrying about automation putting millions of people out of work are just crazy conspiracy nuts

This idea that workers can't increase their work potential and can't educate themselves is just factually untrue and very insulting to workers. This is an elitist taking point

We should stop this now.

I wonder what it would look like if all schools were private/charity-funded.

And move to chat, or serious topic.

lol I like where this is headed tbh

"so I suppose people more educated and intelligent than you are by a long shot worrying about automation putting millions of people out of work are just crazy conspiracy nuts"

Yes

A lot of educated people talk about things they are completely ignorant about.

I was going to point out the flaws

but "yes" was funnier

You aren't wrong

I mean both are important and it depends which way you take the social programs? Are they simly handouts or actual employment? Even if it i govorment employmant to let you scrape by. A military is obvious but this is something I cant asnwer definitively one way or the other

Also it depends on what jbs ai is going to take, how many, how fast? Automation is a complex issue that if it does happen fast and takes up huge amounts of workspots and removes humans entirely you are looking at a societal and demographic catastrophy that will literally destabilize the nation

but that requires some terminator level AI

and generally speaking most work will simply move around the idea of AI, maintnence etc. yada yada, the work will simply change. However it has to take several generations as to offset the losses.

social program > maximized military

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@The Big Oof fuck u

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It's Pebble

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@everyone Daily Question 🔖

Did the Holodomor happen? Was it intentional? How many died?

Yes

Gay

no u

what?

Apparently stalin could control the rain

Holodomor happened, the state had a minor role in it, very minor, and no real means to prevent it, and the main blame lies with the Kulaks and hoarders

I would pin the death estimate at 4 million

the fuck kind of question is this

It happened, unintentionally and was mostly forced to the level it was by state collectivization of agriculture entirely (no grain storage). It really doesn't matter how many died just like the holocaust its one of those YOU DARE QUESTION THIS kind of things

Yes, yes, 30 gorrillion.

Yes, and it should be done again.

The question shouldnt be if it happened

It should be if the death toll should have been higher

last i heard was that the holodomor was people were shot for trying to collect food

thats however from my parents etc.

so not the most reliable source

so it happened, most likely was intentional,

It was intentional and it did happen.

^

It happened, the Soviets purposefully put the food quotas higher than was achievable and cut off supplies from Ukraine, death toll was 7 gorillion

Yes and yes

And wasn’t it like 30 million

1 gorrillion more than the holocaust

goy

it's actually 11 gorrilion

3 of them were goyim

or something

Uh oh, am I a holocaust denier now?

You're a holocaust lessener

which is a slippery slope to denail

nibba

Oof

Are you sure it wasn't 3 gorrillion?

2 gorrillion seems like an awful lot....

Alright

Slave boy

I just found out that it was more like 20 gorrilion

The evidence really only supports 1 gorrillion

Enough!

I'm calling the police

I'm not a holodomorcaust denier.

muh 6 gorrillion

Why do Black Americans overwhelmingly vote democrat?

What exactly has the Democratic Party done to get such support?

Free gibs

mostly historical reasons

since the democrats pushed the most for civil rights and desegregation in the mid-20th century and that loyalty has never really gone away

also because urban areas tend to have higher black populations and urban areas tend to lean democrat

@ham addition Civil Rights and Desegregation ruined the US

bruh desegregation didn't really happen

so i highly doubt that

What the hell do you mean

"didn't happen"

Eh, the US was an absolute mistake from the begining.

School Segregation and Actual Law Inforced Segregation

housing segregation wasn't fixed so there wasn't any meaningful desegregation

@Vilhelmsson I disagree

So it seems!

There was meaningful Desegregation

Did you read what I said?

schools are segregated

and like sure there aren't colored water fountains anymore

but how much does that really matter

That wasn't the only part of segregation

Schools now cannot deny minorities from going to their schools

Sure there are white and black schools but that is self segregation

there are like 6 black kids at my school

not cause black kids don't want to go

School segregation was having Black schools where only black kids could go etc.

That doesn't mean anything again

You Probably live in a White Area

That doesn't surprise me

I am busy ATM but I will get back to this later

"schools are segregated"

No they aren't

To an extent but yeah you are correct

It's self segregation

not really

housing segregation is not totally self segregation

if the majority of black people are priced out of a certain area it's not really self-segregation

You act like this doesn't happen to white people

The holodomor was inclement weather and accodental

I once included some holodomor denial in a school essay

Junior year was a strange time.

I actually got a decent grade on that essay as well.

@ham addition Do you remember what happened in Detroit?

It's a good argument in favor of red-lining, and why it was done in the past

i'm not from detroit

well there's a reason why you would want to prevent certain people from moving into an area, from an economic perspective.

You don't want certain neighborhoods to lose their property value or to become crime ridden shitholes

people will move out

neighborhood gets a bad reputation

nobody wants to live there

now you have to lower the cost

"BuT thAT's RAcist"

<:facepalm:487682504153628701>

@JogaFlame why are you facepalming, I'm arguing in favor of it

I'm facepalming because that's what a reply would sound like, coming from a leftist normball.

And I can understand why you would prevent.

Daily Question 🔖 @everyone

Which is a greater threat to democracy? Foreign influence or domestic influence from large businesses?

GAY

no u

gay

no u

fuck democracy

Who even needs democracy

domestic influence from large business

Democracy is gay

no u

Maybe but democracy is too

Why have democracy when you can have unironic gay nazism

women

^ why it will never work

wamen

anyway the greater threat to democracy is democracy itself

because it doesn't work

both but also democracy has always been subverted by(((them)))

its also a shit system

gay

no u

this is why we are a constitutional republic

gay

gay

gay

no u

gay

no u

Democracy was created by (((them)))

gay

homosexual

(((oh shit)))

democracy was invented in greace

Democracy is the greatest threat to democracy

but has been subverted by the (((chosen people)))

Greeks were the original (((them)))

Grease

Grease

i mean the masses are easily inflenced

*cough* spartans *cough*

athens are homosex tho

it cannot work

except in some exceptions

Drumpf putin treason #resist

democracy can work in a small closed community with hight iq population

with a total free speech

>switzerland

A eurasian population*

nope

I think to tie it all in a little knot I'll put it this way, somewhere along the way someone found out that consensus can assist in reaching sound decisions on a minuscule scale and made the mistake of applying that to the nation state

when i mean hight iq populations, i mean population like switzerland with an average iq of 110

mentality is also important

democracy can't work in slavic countries or mediterranean countries

because it's incompatible with their mentality

And whats their mentality?

@Monrette

just curious

They are both lazy bums, meds and slavs btfo

Your saying that to a slav

Democracy is its own greatest threat

BoI iTs NoT lIkE hAvE hEaRd ThAt BeFoRe

Democracy is the best political system

*worst

best*