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Well said

I'm not an ethnic nationalist, but I do see the (almost) inevitability of the death of the white race as a severe problem

And that we should work to rectify this

in group preference by whites and exclusion of non-whites in nearly every professional capacity

hispanics/blacks already have this via government violence (affirmative action), asians do this in their small businesses

Obviously I think I and others are in principle against this but the fact is literally every group except whites does this, and jews do it to great success

Like instead of hiring some illegal spic to do your roof, spend a bit of extra money for a white

It should be in the hands of the state to be used by its countrymen instead of being used by greed businesses.

Well you fail to understand that most states are NWO tier

@everyone 🔖 Daily Question

Which is more important? Economic growth or maintaining tradition? Are they mutually exclusive? Explain

maintaining tradition

economic growth

Economic growth.

tradition is meaningless

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Without followers

Economic growth.

i don't think those are mutually exclusive things tho

Economic growth

i dont need to grow my economy for some consumerist faggot brown people

sorry

that's just weird racism

i'm used to racism here

but that's just weird

Maintaining tradition. And they are mutually exclusive, as growing economy requires the disposal of morality to continue feeding The Machine.

no

i'm confused also

are there units of morality?

what is this machine you are talking about?

how is the process of producing something with value immoral?

or exporting something

@21tagtmeiern if you told someone 500 years ago that they could give up most of their family life to work making cardboard boxes for a few extra shekels, they would never say yes to that

that answers 0 of my questions

In a capitalist world, there is no higher meaning to life

If you want morality to be measured physically, I don't know what to tell you

~~In a capitalist world,~~ there is no higher meaning to life

A nihilist you are?

you said disposal of morality

i act as if life has meaning but there's no reason to believe that other than why not

how can you dispose morality

also how is economic growth necessarily capitalism

also quality of life has gone up in the past 500 years

>how can you dispose morality
Enforce state lead education and teach that wealth is the goal of life

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truth

sure but that's not the only way to grow the economy

Capitalism is the source of most immorality in this world

greed is the source of most immorality true

and greed and capitalism are intertwined

but greed predates capitalism

so you're wrong

You see though, capitalism takes basic greed and expands it globally

greed is already global

also capitalist countries are the best countries

by all accounts

Why are they the best countries?

people have higher quality of life

Japan has an extremely high suicide rate and has been losing population massively

Western Europe is in the middle of being invaded and destroyed by foreigners right now

America has the highest prison population on earth

oh you're one of those islamophobic socialists

how am I racist

Also that's not an argument

yeah sorry irrelevant side note

hdi is higher in capitalist countries

there might be specific statistics that prove your point but the general picture goes my way

US has the highest prison populations cause it both has the largest and most prison facilities and also the most criminals and its all due to how developed the country is

oh boy they get to buy useless shit

truly the greatest of nations

Youre exaggerating the japan pop loss btw

>it has the most criminals because it's developed

at this point there's not really a great alternative to capitalist economic growth

China has no problem with catching criminals yet has nor reached America's levels

that's what's gonna keep us alive

until oil runs out in 40 years

The two factors i mentioned are related and are not standalone

China doesnt have as many prisons and has more rural areas

all mass-capitalism has lead to in Europe is it's destruction

yeah capitalism encourages innovation

we'll figure it out

no we won't

I don't think you realise how big oil companies are and how unwilling they would be to have a new competition

they won't be so big once oil runs out

He never heard of tesla

good point

doesn't elon musk have a solar company that's good

solarcity or something

Tesla is a meme

Space colonization is a meme

also I don't think I'll be able to convince you on anything since my views put economics near the bottom of concerns

Electric cars arent though

SPACE FORCE IS A MAYMAY

i've been on both sides of the neolib debate enough times to be pretty secure in my beliefs

@Deleted User what economic system do you advocate for?

Capitalism forces greedy people to help others, while in other systems they can just use force to take what is not theirs.

@21tagtmeiern I literally do not care about the economy, however I would say it would have to slowly shift out of capitalism and into an Organic Economy

I technically see all modern government as corrupted and needing of destruction more than anything, but that's my immediate want for a system I don't support

how does an organic economy differ from capitalism?

Do you mean like this? https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Organic_Economy_Model

@CryptoBlok that is quiet similar, yes

Glad to be of help!

I still think free-market capitalism can better handle the problems this other model claims to address, though.

it obviously depends on the traditions you're talking about

and the kind of economic growth

the 'economic growth' derived from a social media platform like Facebook seems like something that has contributed next to nothing to the wellbeing or further productivity of society at large

Yeah, it could be Islamic traditions or some such thing

or a tradition of shitting on the street

I believe objective morality transcends traditions - not that all traditions should be thrown out, of course, but they need to serve the Good, not just the Old.

lmao okay

what do you think objective morality is, then

My belief is that morality is based on the purpose God created us for.

Doing His will is good, and disobeying is evil/deleterious

right

wait

god's omniscient, right?

One of the things we're supposed to do is help those in need, and raise them up out of bad situations.

@21tagtmeiern Essentially, yes

then aren't people who sin just doing as expected of them

No, they're choosing to not follow the best plan created by God

but god knew that plan wouldn't come to pass

so why would he make it

I'm sorry, I should've been clearer above. I meant that God can see what is happening in the present, and possible futures. However, the whole future is not determined (to my knowledge), and there are parts in the bible where He essentially says He was surprised or shocked by something unexpected happening.

ah gotcha

what makes doing god's will objectively good?

Well, it's something I'm sill studying, but I think it has do do with natural consequences of actions

For example, the way we are built, the wages of staying underwater without air is drowning, Sin is doing that which we are not meant to do, and thus performing sinful actions affects us negatively, sooner or later.

Bringing this back to the original question, we must determine how economic policies affect man's ability to perform God's will. If they encourage sin, even if they claim to oppose it, then they are bad policies. But if they disincentivise sin and/or incentivise doing good, then they are good policies. It's the same with traditions.

If you're interested, Missing the Mark is a youtuber with some good videos related to this subject, though I disagree with him on some things (I'm not Catholic).

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@Froce The main reason our prisons are huge is blacks/hispanics commit crimes

Most states don't send you to jail for possession anymore

@here What's the new QotD?

@everyone 🔖 Daily Question

What would an ideal immigration system look like in your dream country? Share your thoughts.

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Banned

No immigration

none except if they speak the language, learn the culture, learn the history, and display an alright level of intelligence in various aptitude tests

a stark contrast to the citizenship test for the USA, which is quite literally 10 questions

What Hanaso said

6 of which you need to get correct

Allow immigrants in but at the same time enforce the death penalty.

lmfao

modern Japanese immigration systems

pretty much perfect

My dream "country" would probably be a voluntary confederation of covenant communities. Depending on the confederal law/agreements, each covenant would probably choose it's own way of accepting or denying people membership/citizenship.

@CryptoBlok I think that's similar to syndicalism

Syndicalism is more of a socialistic economic system. https://infogalactic.com/info/Syndicalism

I'm thinking more like a confederacy of Hoppean-style covenant communities, though I guess they would each have the right to determine their own economic policies as well.

basically I'll recover the National Origins Act

^

no immigration

Closed borders with few exceptions. People can visit, maybe even go to school, but have to leave when they’re done.

citizenship is not immigration just to clarify

that's separate

i think the one we have is pretty good

but there needs to be more room for high-skilled immigrants and refugees at the very least

from my preliminary research into the topic

@Deleted User I think foreigners should be allowed to go to school, but that's about as far as it goes

@everyone 🔖 Daily Question

Who is your favorite US president and why?

Thomas Jefferson, the founder of American liberty

for me

Reagan, basically put the final nail in the Soviet's coffin

Trump, he is in my lifetime and I can relate to him.

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Trump

@Finchie reagan brought in millions of mexicans too

King George III

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hard to say

tr was pretty good

Ted Roosevelt

Obama <:noyoudidnt:459545660698525696>

Thomas Jefferson

John F Kennedy.

Tie between Jackson and Theodore Roosevelt for me. Jackson for his fight against the central bank, standing up to the judiciary, and his pursuit of finding more settlable land for Americans. Roosevelt for his imperialism, conservationism, and regulations of corporations.

wut

jackson was the worst

Jackson because he dabbed on the Indians and Waged War Against the Banks

Polk was also a Chad

Washington and Jackson. Two presidents that helped carve out the US from being simply the colonies and settlements on the North American continent, yet who also had distinct personalities, distinct and controversial in the same way as Trump.

"dabbed on the indians"

that's whitewashing if i ever saw it

Thomas and Cooliage. Both helped with libertarian reforms.

Ethan Allen 😉

In all honesty, probably John Quincy Adams, as I'm directly related to that Adams family but I'm not a huge fan of the first John Adams

Jefferson was good too, as was Madison and Jackson

Also if you want to count *all* american presidents, Jefferson Davis haha

I’m going to start by pointing out that the question is “ favorite “ and not the best president.

Trump is by far my favorite. My complete contempt for the media, intelligence agencies and Dem/GOP party establishment is the perfect storm for feeling affection for Trump. How much he’s clearly pissed all these people off makes him pretty much my spirit animal.

Based presidents that actually did things that mattered

People that truly had their own way that was good for america

Trump stirs the pot, sure, but he also does bad things that you can't ignore for the sake of his "edginess"

Like greasy crony capitalist shit

1. TR 2. Jefferson 3. Washington 4. Jackson 5. Grant

tbh America peaked early in leadership

TR wasn't the worst, but I've seen a lot of evidence (I'll just say now I don't have any links to send) that the whole surviving the assassination deal was staged and total BS

Also the whole Rough Riders thing was badass, but not super great

TR destroyed bankers and corporates so that makes him best on default

Watch me. His edginess is spreading my kind of contempt out to the common man. All those groups I listed are parasites that hurt the American people. Now more know that than ever. I think that’s worth it.

Jackson would be second place but he was really harsh on the Natives undeservedly

Trump hasn't even built a wall and he's Israels puppet

natives are shit

fuck'em dude

Why are they shit?

So if a president isn’t the avatar of perfection, he isn’t good in any way? I reject this notion.

what are we gonna keep all of north america a fucking nature reserve

for eternity

Literally what has Trump done

@Deleted User why not nibba

Natives are just trash people

even worse than mexicans

Why are they trash

You're just making statements

They are not productive

they have victim complexes

do nothing useful

are in general a negative aspect of american society

run casinos

They are victims

I already said what I like. He also cut taxes that let me give my employees raises. They seemed to like that. He’s pushed Nationalism as a positive concept. That’s great.

so are the irish

useful to who? The (((group))) who run this country?

No I mean having natives as neighbors does not improve your quality of life

@Deleted User oh wow he cut taxes

He pushed Jewish nationalism

and civic nationalism

@Deleted User he cut taxes while not cutting benefits and entitlements enough

so he created an even bigger budget imbalance than obama

Deporting illegals is obviously nothing but positive though

Natives have no reason to contribute to the system

native reservations fucking suck to live on because they're bad people

Honestly they should all become Permaculture farmers

If a place sucks to live there

it's probably because the people there are scum

the reason is irrelevant

I even admit this with whites

Paris/London suck because whites are pussies

I've never been on one so I don't know if reservations are Mad Max world enclaves or not

they are

Well shit, Trump hasn’t gassed Israel and killed all the brown people. Guess he’s a flop.

Some are ok

Some are shit

@Deleted User No the tax cuts literally just imbalanced the budget

@Deleted User he's done literally nothing important

like every president for the past 20 years

It's like if I said I'm gonna pay you $10 more this week but then the company goes out of business because I had to take on debt to do so

Lol

Trump is obviously preferable to obama/bush jr/hillary

however he is not a POSITIVE force