The Imperial German government secretly arranged safe-passage for Vladimir Lenin to return to Moscow from Switzerland in 1917. Moreover, the Germans gave him financing through 1918 with the hope that Lenin would start a revolution that would cause Russia to withdraw its war with Germany during World War I.

I mean it doesn't really matter if they did or not

It kinda backfired on them

They didn't expect him to actually win

Relying on numbers from Eduard Bernstein, the German government sent "more than 50 million deutsche marks in gold" from 1917 to 1918 to help the Bolsheviks establish and hold power.

They did

Because they invested heavily

In modern currency thats over $200 million

They didn't actually want Lenin to succeed

They knew the dangers of having a revolution on their doorstep

Germany had to deal with numerous strikes and protests

Germany WAS the birthplace of the revolution after all

Wrong, they purposefully sent Lenin. German papers made available after WWII the German Foreign Secretary at the time of Lenin's passage Richard von Kühlmann said in a letter "I strongly believe that the safe passage of Vladimir Lenin to the Russians will cause a revolution that will result in the utter withdrawal of the war by the Tsar in the process."

"cause a revolution that will result in the utter withdrawal of the war by the Tsar in the process'

That means they wanted them to break the Russian war effort

"utter withdrawal of the war by the Tsar"

" by the Tsar'

You missed the last part @The Big Oof @Silkiri

How

"...in the process"

They intended him to overthrow the Tsar

"in the process of the revolution"

is how I see it being meant to be interpreted

Anon no it doesn't

Yes, it does.

It doesn't imply that they expect them to overthrow the Tsar

Germany wanted Lenin to be in power

According to former professor Albert L. Weeks, Lenin was a Germanophile. Weeks argues that Lenin viewed Germany as the central linchpin to an eventual proletarian revolution. Weeks further discusses the close relations enjoyed between the two nations after World War I, and how this relationship extended back into the 19th century.

Because Lenin had to spend a significant portion of his time in political exile in Germany

and the only real choices of countries he had

Were like Switzerland and Germany

That's just not the case Silk.

If you wanted to get back to Russia in a timely manner if called upon

You can't live out your days in Italy in those times

unless you want to live there permanently

Italy was underdeveloped af

That's not why

Germany fully intended Lenin to win the revolution

Even, EVEN assuming they didnt intend for him to win, its clear from the transcripts that it would've been benefical to Germany either way

It was more like "we need Lenin to cause turmoil, and if he wins, even better"

@Silkiri and?

We're talking about germany

Yes we are

dont point fingers

oH buT tHeY diD iT tOo

Anon they had to cut a deal with the German Empire

to avoid being overthrown

known as the treaty of brest-livotsk

It's quite obvious the Germans weren't pro Bolshevik

I really recommend you drop this argument as it is pretty much indefensible to take the position that the Germans wanted a Communist revolution

Did you not read what i said?

It was more like "we need Lenin to cause turmoil, and if he wins, even better"

How

That's an even more indefensible position

Are you saying they didnt want Lenin to cause turmoil?

Germany ABSOLUTELY did not want a communist uprising

They wanted turmoil in Russia just enough to make them drop out of the war

That was the sole goal not to change the regime

Lenin as a revolutionary is completley negated because he wasnt

He was a german agent

oh my god

no he obviously wasn't.

Direct funding from germans, sent by germans, safe keeping by the germans

Whatever

You'll convert to the right eventually as i did

or not

Anon if you want to convert someone to the right

first begin by using facts here

@Deleted User All __real__ communists will convert with time

@Silkiri What's you opinion on racial purity

Look up Grover Fur

Read Germany Tomorrow

what are you even debating anyway?

He believed the Germans wanted Lenin to turn Russia Communist

intentionally

Completely misrepresented my point but ok

weird flex but ok

didn't they release him from Prison to go propel the revolution?

Anon how did I misrepresent

you said specifically he was a german agent

@Deleted User They did

and he won

He was sent by germans and used german money to start a revolution

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

that would mean they agreed with him and they sent him there with a specific goal

to get Russia out of the war, which worked

They didnt care if he would win or not

Or what he was fighting for

They just wanted him to stir up trouble

and that he did

based and redpilled

@Silkiri https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q15xaMj07HE

beware your local RWDS has been activated

I don't care for reactionwave

why would they not send him, they knew he would start a socialist issue in Russia, that will obviously be help in any case

i should update my pfp to include a hammer and sickle

no

if you really want to piss people off

use this, one second

the democratic party logo

tankie tim

@Silkiri Whats your opinion on race

From the Other Russia party

I won't bother for race

@Silkiri Feminism?

unnecessary for the most part in the western world

^ preach

I like muslims cuz they have submissive wives

polygamy squad

naenae

Race is important

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Other_Russia_(party)

I mean like

only if you make it important

that's what it's from @Doctor Anon

@Silkiri a True communist would care about his race and would be proud of his heritage

Ethnostate memes are taking it too far

But

Anon

I don't care for what you try to twist communism to be

I've been a communist longer than you have

Respect your elders

A ethnic German would be more connected to their culture than an Arab would, aye?

He doesn't know what communism is @Silkiri don't listen

@PebbЛe he isnt even a communist

He's De leonist

supposedly

@Doctor Anon de leonists are communists

read germany tomorrow

strasser is not a real socialist

Still a populist.

And anti-rich.

not enough

Even a little bit means you deserve a place on the gallows.

spineless reactionary

I very much have a spine, sir!

nope

Well, I'm not going to take the words of a red swine with any respect.

neither did the Romanovs

U.S needs to allign itself with Russia and other eastern Europe nations, including the non-GCM nations to counter the new European Army

If you help former eastern bloc countries, they will probably be more favorable to you

@Doctor Anon come on now, if we ally with russia there would be no strong opposition against us, which would be very boooring to watch

Also, Putin isn't a dumbass

Yeah he is

He's a blowfish who projects strength that isn't there. If there was a war, Russia would have no allies and then their economy would collapse while militarizing as well as the fact that 70% of the country's exports is oil and people would stop buying russian oil.

Putin perpetuates the disgusting neoliberal economics they use

He's no better than any other liberal

Issue is Russia could cripple the US to the point of the US being completely incapable of fighting

at that point ther eis no one ther eto establish order

any kind of order, it jus tbe a shitfest kind of like yugoslavia but much worse

We just need to harden our electric grid. Redirect Mueller's money to something sensible.

@Doctor Anon _I like muslims cuz they have submissive wives_
Muslims are wokest on gender

Women should be free

false!

Free from what

Free from feminism and workforce

free from notions of supremacy

Free from Female Suffrage

No more suffrage for women

women should be free to embrace feminity in desire of it, while being free to hold society on an even level of man

they should have suffrage

Men =/= Women, so that is never gonna happen mate

that's cute but women are just as capable and important in community action as men are

wrong

Lol

No, they aren't

the true liberation of a people is the complete integration of the people into the public

No. Public has a mentality of a zombie. Staying away is being sane.
People should live like people, not activists

`People should live like people, not activists`

exactly, where did i say activism and not daily life

Lol, Complete integration seems like a forced integration

What is someone does not want to completely integrate?

it only seems forced if you think that's what i'm implying

liberty wouldn't imply anything more than opportunity

Equality of opportunity is a pretty bad idea. There is no way of defining an opportunity, there is no equality among people

yeah there is way of defining of an opportunity

the opportunity to participate in democracy

what the fuck

Lol, very vague. Does a poor person has as much opportunity as a rich person

pebble supporting demogaycy?

wtf

impossible

a poor person does not have as much opportunity as a rich person no

Ok, so you will enforce it via guns.

He is trying to be subversive to get his utopia

this is very snobbish of you, true liberty would see a socialist society, all would be able to have an impactful say in their community

this means women too

No. Lol. True Liberty would see an Ancap Society.
Well, I mean I would support you freeing women,. That will make it easier to annex your country

ancap society is not a system of liberty, it is a system that claims it can perpetuate enslavement and the ability for a free society on exploitation without the state -- impossible

Well, yes it is a system of liberty. The fact that leftists are sub tier is not anyone else's fault.

No, a system based on evolving around an exploitative base and superstructure that can somehow survive without a state is contradictory to liberty

Well, if you are exploited and cannot do anything about it, then that is your fault. Why should anyone else care?

yes rothbardian child markets are the child's fault

barriers to industry and alienation is the fault of anyone but the private firm

Who sells the child? Parents? So, you will take away children from parents' to prevent that?

your disingenous nature shows again by showing how you move from subjects to nonsensical measures

the answer is that the system of true liberty would not have child markets

Lol. I find it funny to get that from a liar.😂
So, people in your system would n't want to sell children or buy children? Well, they can do that now. Not want to it. And they can do it in AnCap Society.
I will rather keep my child with me rather than give it to a Commie

Last time I checked selling your children was illegal

No person of moral compass would want to sell children or their own -- and no it isn't legal
So in no way or circumstance is it a measure of liberty to dissolve the child's liberty

So, in AnCap society no one with a moral compass would do it. Cool

this is a big gay, agree?

Yes

Issue is 90% of women ar enot active nor do they care for the political world. women are also the weaker sex since they will never jump into a fight and are as such also easily swayed in opinion. Women as such should not vote, nor have the right to vote as 90% either throw the vote away, because its something everyone simply has, it has no value. And the other% that do listen follow their men and husbands. The rest are singles that are activists.

jews are such disgusting subhumans

but they are somehow smarter then you and created almost everything military

just voted on every poll

Bogatyr

you literally made up a statistic to form a political opinion

*claps*

https://statusofwomendata.org/explore-the-data/political-participation/#chapter

@Bogatyr Bogumir

Women shouldn't be allowed to vote

They aren't registered for the draft

@Silkiri

You're right we should have ***Equality***

like you know

***The Soviet Union***

@Doctor Anon why shouldn't women be part of the public sphere of determining what happens to the community

No equality is retarded

Because women are emotional and gay

Do you have any real statistics for such a claim

based baseless incel comment

Yes I do

It's called I know that because it's what every other right winger says so it's gotta be true

if women are directly impacted by the policy and decision making by society, why should they not get to represent themselves in society's affairs?

Die Rote he's memeing

how about nobody gets to vote

im talking to doc

or rather

Hard to tell when he does that

the right to vote would be earned through service

wrong

"People who are apart of the nation should get a voice in it"

Most people work for self interest, let's be clear here

also

democracy is big gay and is nothing more than the rule of money

narratives win in democracy and not facts

democracy in community planning rewards self-interest

Democracy big gay

@PebbЛe voting out of self interest is big gay

Back

What'd I miss

democracy is good

everyone is equal

They're not registered for the draft