the protestants I know all say gay people are pedophiles,

I don't know if that qualifies under "fags"

Protestantism is true christianity

Depends if you are dealing with Baptist and evangelicals vs Lutherans

Congregationalism

is best

Not all Protestants denominations are the same and it is silly to lump them all together. We all can most likely agree Mormons are not Christians and more like a cult.

Protestants are all the same because they're all wrong.

Deport them to Guyana.

I could not follow cuck Francis

Mormonism is kind of christianity

its polytheistic christianity

eh

God gives us good popes and bad popes.

Yes

The Pope is subject to secular imperfection.

Francis is a bad pope.

Oh great

And we can choose to follow

a V2 catholic

👌

I’m not

The Pope is meaningless

As he should be

The Pope is a spiritual leader and nothing more.

haha

Wait, there's actually people who still pray to the Jew v2?

The Catholic Church considers him the vicar of christ

Catholic Church dosent exist here anymore are u retarded lmao

great apostasy began ages ago

You go though the pope in Catholicism. He is middle management.

Anon calling someone else retarded. I've seen it all.

Probably a sign of the end times.

All popes are vipers

You must speak to God himself through jesus

1 Tim 2:5

No pope needed

@Zavjeru Bible teaches the only middle man is Jesus

Catholics @Doctor Anon

The Pope as a Representative is heresy and sinful

I would agree. He is a man therefore fallible.

I'm cool with living beside Christians as much as the next guy, hell, Martin Luther was kind of a boss... but why would you still actually, you know, believe in that stuff?

>athiest

Atheist 🙄

Agnostic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregational_church

Atheist lite

Oh, I am an Atheist as well, just narrowing it down 😉

Like I said, got nothing against Christians

And I got nothing against you

Just curious

The answer is faith.

So you value faith over empiricism?

I’m not going to elaborate

Fair enough. I am honestly curious.

Values do matter very much to me.

If you are indeed curious either read a bible or attend a local church service. They would be much better at answering your questions in person than one can do online.

I've attended many, I used to be a Christian when I was young myself. I was curious why individuals here would still believe in it.

And I read the bible already

I used to be athiest, then i converted.

atheism is depressing

sad life

So you converted because you found it to be too much emotionally?

no

So why did you convert?

Why accept the void of nothingness? If I am wrong when I die I’ll never know. Yet if I am right and atheism is wrong well that sucks for atheist.

Pascal's Wager has been debunked

I converted after looking into the odds of humanity existing, and drawing correlations between the big bang theory and the biblical story of creation. Among hundreds of other correlations between scientific fact and biblical teachings. I think science is not anti-christian, quite the opposite.

Hello!

Intelligent design is a good thing to look into.

Gwyn, you are aware that Pascal's Wager has been debunked, correct?

Doctor Anon - Which creation story are you talking about?

its been DEBUNKED xdxdxd

🤣

Pray tell who came back from the dead and told us idiots?

It's simple rationality. You would have to apply it to all faiths, not just one. So there is the Pascal's Wager of Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Islam, Taoism, etc... Each one, by not believing in them, you are taking a risk. Pascal's Wager only applies to believing in some sort of afterlife-reward versus not, but the problem arises when you take into account that there are thousands of different possible ones to believe in, and most are quite exclusionary for receiving the ultimate prize.

This is without taking into account the fact that if one lives their life according to a religious code that prevents them from fully experiencing their short time on earth and they are wrong, then they have squandered precious years of a finite existence.

Therefore, Pascal's Wager, even from a superficial analysis, is quite flawed.

^^

No that just means it applies to other faiths as well as atheism. What kind of pseudointellectual garbage is this?

Using debunked is still not appropriate terminology 💁🏻‍♀️

You could have said "I'm full of shit" in fewer words.

I was using it in the manner of 'demonstrate the hollowness of', which is correct.

Which is fine if you believe in the void

It's not hallow though.

Boils down to subjective opinion.

☝️

Even if it could only apply to atheism you are still taking less of a chance.

But it is an irrational subjective opinion upon which to build your faith.

Again, pseudointellectual garbage.

Pascels wager was never "debunked", it's a fair critizism of that type of thinking. what's wrong with it

all it points out is "what if you're wrong you could go to hell" is an unsound argument for being religous

I don't think anybody builds their faith on "well if I'm wrong I'm going to Hell".

I just told you, it applies to all faiths, but yes, even I suppose to a lack thereof, but therein lies the issue, if you can apply Pascal's Wager to all beliefs regarding the afterlife, its usefulness becomes moot.

not saying anyone does, but some people use that argument on athiests

it's been used on me

It isn't meant to be useful in the first place.

Nobody bases faith on it.

It is just the hypothetical question

Then why did she give it as a reason?

a lot of people do mean for it to, I'm not saying you do

but I've experienced it

No one care in the end

Ask her if she builds her faith on it.

It's a catch-22, if that is your sole reason for being faithful then it isn't real faith.

Pathetic mental gymnastics.

I quite literally asked why those who believed did... and that was her answer... so now you're calling her a... liar?

Read above.

People don't use pascals wager for their own faith, they use it to try to tell atheists that they are dumb

Are you illiterate as well as a pseudointellectual now?

You have to ask me if I base my faith in a fear to going to hell

It’s that simple

Zexy, I'm not sure why you're so hostile.

Gwyn, so what is your basis?

Low tolerance for pseuds.

Namecalling is silly.

whats a pseud

I'm calling you a pseudointellectual. Hardly "name calling".

i need the name of the fucken song meme where its a charachter and its name and a short desc

halp

that's just trying to dismiss an argument rather then engage it

Dumb poopy head is namecalling.

He's calling me a pseudo intellectual because he disagrees with me and finds it easier to accuse me of overintellecualizing in a false manner than to actually engage with the argument.

someone help

My faith is based on accepting Jesus Christ as my lord and savior. I believe he died on the cross for all humanity’s sins. Hell got thing to do with it.

I found your criticism of Pascal's Wager a strawman, superficial, and irrelevant to faith as a whole.

You used at some kind of crux which I found idiotic.

Zexy, I used Pascal's Wager, because Gwyn brought it up.

I was talking to her specifically when deconstructing it.

because she used it.

So no

^yeah

It was quite relevant.

Based lolbertarian DECONSTRUCTS arguments with FACTS and LOGIC

See, again, the hostility

You belong on the pseud section of YouTube.

Dude you're being kind of an ass rn

I'm kind of an ass.

Fair, nevermind then

But I'm also watching a movie with my brothers right now, so I'll respectfully leave the conversation. Would love to insult you at a later date.

Rather than engage in a productive conversation (and admit you made a mistake) you'd rather bluster.

alright, bye Zex

No I was pretty productive, I just insulted you too.

Later

lets cool down K0R it's over

Get a thicker skin.

Goodbye everyone else.

Oh, you are mistaken, I was amused, not insulted 😉

Will do, Gris.

That turned into a mess real fast, and I think it all just came down to Zex not seeing the full context and getting overinvested

It would seem

It's not his fault, having your core beliefs questioned is uncomfortable.

He can get kind of passionate about this stuff from what I've seen of him

He'll get used to it with more time on the internet.

He may be young

I'm suspecting so. Nothing wrong with that. He has the advantage of more time.

we're not trying to insult him by questioning his age or ego

But moving on

Yeah, trust me. When I was a young Christian, I would practically burst into flames at the first prod at my faith. When I first became an Atheist, I was probably worse.

But yeah, anyways

Pretty much you have to look at the universe and ask is it just random or was intelligence behind it. From that point you can see you are either atheist leaning or faith leaning.

discussions about stuff like this are best viewed as us coming together to look at the problem, not defending our views from each other

Exactly

we're all just people trying to find the answers

Believing or not is never the problem

As long as one's set of beliefs doesn't lead to... you know, blowing yourself up in a crowded place or taking a joyride with a rented van... (There's a reason I said I'm quite content to live around Christians)

💯

If you cause harm to anyone due to faith as stated above you need to reevaluate your beliefs.

Well, that's just it... I must say that I also have more respect for the man who lives according to the letter of his belief system, than the moderate apologist.

Pretty much one should not harm others in order to convert

But... Suppose one's core text told one to? And suppose one had a very good reason to believe in it?

Are they harming innocent people?

Or are these people causing harm as in invading army?

Sorry, could you clarify the second sentence? I think I'm reading it wrong.

As in said people are invading the other

Military action

Oh, well in either case innocents are being hurt, yes?

Yes but one is hurting citizens and military alike the other is only attacking a peaceful populace

Well to me, either would be evil. But suppose someone had a very good reason to believe in a faith that told them to do both?

Example that applies to neither New Testament Christians nor Atheists-

Jews believe that their God has ordained in the past that it is good and right to genocide entire peoples.

The convert via sword? That’s what’s you’re asking?

It is wrong imo

Yes, it would be to a Christian like yourself.

The horrifying thing is, there are many ideologies.. popular ideologies that don't see the world through that lens.

Agree, however it does not mean all religion is bad

I never said that

and don't intend to imply it

I said ideology for a reason

Pretty much you are saying some faiths are wrong due to their belief in harming others in the name of their God. Right?

Not at all. It doesn't make them wrong at all. That an ideology tells someone to do things that are repugnant to you or I has nothing to do with whether they're right or not.

I mean there's nothing stopping a god from inciting violence and being immoral

True

so we all agree on that

Nor is there anything stopping a man from doing the same.

Communism, Islam, Judaism, National Socialism... Ultimately, there's little we can say as to whether they are 'right' or 'wrong'. We just know that they demand morally repugnant action (to myself, at least).

That is the one comforting thing about belief in an objective morality, though. At least the Christian can say "They are wrong because God said so."

An atheist who is true to him or herself has to admit that all they have ultimately is their own subjective preferences/values.

Do we want to move on or someone have something to add?

Well, my bootycall just arrived, so I gotta run. Was nice meeting y'all. Take care!

bye

I'm going to sleep so

I don't have anything to add

Be safe and night

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Let's do part 2

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get dabbed on liberals

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yawn

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@6σ why

@Alexander Ramsey TIL, hadn't heard of that before

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@Deleted User cuz u will never beat me

@iwantfun 3pm what time?

@6σ I am going to put your head under my quads and snap ur face

my wilks is prolly 200-300 higher than urs

@iwantfun What timezone ffs

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Oof

I already said to another mod

Did he not distribute it?

I deadlift 1200

Kilograms

Who's ready to get smashed?

Lies

Supposedly Trump said the n word a long time ago

well, *nigger

when he ran celebrity apprentice

No proof yet

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Of course there's no proof.

Who cares either way.

^

why does it matter

fucken papa john dude sued the company bc of them saying he said it

This is pretty much a witch hunt.

i think its dumb that its a big fucking deal

💯

It has no baring in the present. The past is the past. Everyone has done or said dumb shit.

well that poll was ez

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what was that for

Excuse me

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