i think there is a similar law in the UK

Ah

that basically allows for on going judicial processes to remain secret until they are through

it was George Pell

@Similar Scowl Economic debate?

is there anything to debate

i imagine i'd agree with you on most stuff

idk what do you believe

i think i'm a centrist in economy lol

though i'm more inclined towards free market

there should be some regulations to protect workers

and then i think the state should have protectionist measures for essential industries in the country, like infrastructure

What regulations

as in just an example or so

I mean, I'm no economist, but I think minimum salary is important, unions and other things that help the workers bargaining for good job conditions are the main things

Why do you believe a minimum wage is good?

because people are too stupid to know how to bargain for a good salary

But what if I told you a minimum wage hurts more than it helps

and a good healthy nation cant have people take advantage of others in worse conditions for materialistic needs

i know what you're going to say

the ancap argument that minimum salary often creates unemployment

the point of minimum salary is to garantee that those who are working are at least earning something that can get them through the month

and these people would be the bottom of the barrel obviously

But it won't because

it'll cause inflation

and unemployment which means you mess up more people than you try to save

infact you save no one since real wages will fall

And you'll cause businesses to shut down

hang on

mhm

you think minimum wage is the gov just giving out a shit ton of money with no regard for averages on income and other statistics?

No

it's setting an income

that employers have to meet

Since it's higher costs, business owners will raise prices

= inflation

and unemployment too and lower working hours

since they need to keep the costs

or they'll shut down

the minimum salary would have to be adjusted to a number that would least effect normal real wages and at the same time provide a acceptable income for low paying jobs

you gotta balance it out

How would you?

it would always cause inflation

and higher unemployment

it's an increased forced cost on a firm

Artificially increasing wages hurts more people

well you'd manage inflation, all countries have inflation. and it's not always bad to have some or create more

Because real wages would fall

you would raise the minimum wage
>employees fire, lower working hours, increase prices of goods

so they end up worse than before

then they'll demand higher wages and the cycle will repeat again with more casualties

sorry if i sound like a cop out but i *really* dont want to jump into this rabbit hole

nah its k

there are obviously problems with regulations

they create problems too

but it's about picking the lesser of two evils

the lesser of the too evils

or the good would be

removing the regulations

Wages will automatically reach market level

in my country if our minimum wage was removed people would be earning very little

because people dont know how to bargain

and dont know their worth on the market

what country?

it's not about bargining

Employees would have to pay them a good amount to keep them

if they were needed lol

you can replace the woman that is cleaning corridors at your office in no time

we're not talking about IT guys that are very valueable on the market

and can very easily know their worth

i can see you are a very liberal guy so i guess i should also point out my liberal ideas on the market

low taxation is good

creating an enviroment where capital can be invested to create jobs is ideal

people should have acess to a variety of choices of their prefered services

etc etc

idk this is just standard stuff

lol

"you can replace the woman that is cleaning corridors at your office in no time
"

Yes there would be competition in the labour market

and employees would have to pay well

do you think there are more business looking for people to clean their offices than people looking for that sort of job?

because that would be the only way that the employee would have less to lose than the employer

Yes

lol

Well atleast in the US

theres more job openings than job less

wages are rising and will rise more than ever

because employers compete for labour too

but surely in the US a lot of people are constrained to their immediate area for job opportunities, since lot of people cant afford a car

and public transportation in the US i heard is kinda shitty

dude 90% of households owna car

and buses are easy to take

same with metro

And that isn't a problem since most of these jobs are local

idk these issues differ from state to state, some are easier to invest and create business than others

and there are many variables

of course

as a government, let's say a state government, you need a profound knowledge and many studies to be able to determine if more deregulation would lead to more investment, and if the trade off of less workers right for more finantial freedom would be justified

like if the trade off was something like a range of 2-5% more investment but in turn you cut minimum wage by $500 like why would you do that?

in some cases that would just be the equivalent of 2-3 new jobs, and everyone on the minimum wage would be worse off

you gotta balance it out

if you ordered an independent study that told you that investment would stay constant even if you added a labour law to protect workers i'd say thats a good trade off. no harm no foul

"you cut minimum wage by $500 like why would you do that?"

You would probably allow the employees to be paid more

since they save on money

yeah but you can get studies to tell you how likely that would be to happen

you cant assume ceteris paribus every time

It's more of economic theory

When you cut regulations you save the firms money

= economic growth, higher wages, lower unemployment

in theory, ceteris paribus, you would be correct, but in practice often times more regulation doesnt necessarly mean people are worse off than before

It's always like that

regulations don't do anything

it's literally not

apart from raise prices

limit consumer choice

cause high barriers to entry

reduce economic growth and employment

again

you are correct

if you assume **ceteris paribus**

Let me give you an example

ISPs are monopolised you agree?

in USA?

yes

do you understand why?

because of regulation

Regulations such as net neutrality and zoning laws

correct

healthcare hospitals is monopolised

and prices are soaring

why?

Over regulation of the market

i dont think net nautrality caused the problem of ISP monopolies but ok

it's mostly the special status that some local governments give these ISPs

Net neutrality limited competition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oInAlTKlw64

this video explains it

it was made by a network engineer

Don't know what ben said

he basically said more regulation = bad

Net neutrality isn't the sole cause of the ISP monopolisation

yes

it was the zoning laws

yes zoning laws are probably the biggest reason

this is wrong already

then again im not american

The act of 1996 specifically stats that broadband internet service providers were not classified as telecommunications carriers

therefore not subject to the regulations

It didn't even exist until 2003

the name itself

in any case

you're right some regulations may possibly be good

97% of the time however...

rregulation isnt always bad and can provide better conditions

I'm from europe and here there is a pretty healthy balance

some times it can get bad

but generally speaking regulations here a level headed

but with all that is happening with the EU things are changing for the worse though

alot of countries in EU are more business free than US

as in Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, UK, Ireland, Iceland

what do you mean business free?

like regulations etc

idk about that

Sweden is like one of the biggest start-up countries in the world

you are using a service that started as a start-up in sweden right now

Spotify too

and these two companies are worth billions today

Is this debate still going on?

we've switched

the topic

Okay cool.

companies dont tend to care as much about the regulations that are in place in many countries in europe because it's such a huge market with so much oportunity

@Similar Scowl Sweden is more economically free than us

while being more business free too

really? lol

yea

I watched a video of a homeless man being stabbed to death by a group of neo-nazis.

they have a big problem with housing prices right now

but thats just europe in general

oh yea nordic countries tend to be at the top of the economic freedom index

almost forgot

@anhedonia gay as fuck

Real natsocs help the poor and lift brethren out of shame and defeat

Americans ruined everything

From religion, to food, to culture, to ideology

Hitler wasn;t a real natsoc, change my mind

the virgin Hitler versus the chad Strasser

Strasser was a pussy

Fuck strasser

He was a traitor to the whites

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Tiananmen Square Massacre?

I heard of it before

>tfw too smart ::::(((((

I dont think you could call nordic countries supremely free market.

😮

also

TVP2 is playing propaganda today

straight up multikulti

im not kidding

claiming a pure back man can be a Pole

fucks sake

called na sygnale

Can someone post like the bot news feeds

I wanna get them on my server I have

Why are liberals split between loving Israel or Palastine?
Wouldn't (((They))) want all the NPCs to support God's chosen people and love (((Them))?

Palestine is fairly transparent in their plight, and Israel is fairly transparent in their nationalism, some altruistic leftists cucks find themselves caring for palestines plight. With most (((tribal))) pursuits, they leave a big enough margin of error to pass it off as political normalcy

I guess it would be a little suspicious that *everyone* would be for Israel and negate their altruism toward oppressed people

controlled opposition?

Yeah basically

>Tiananmen Square Massacre

you like to kill asians dont you

everytime you say it somebody dies

top kek

vive la africa

WARNING GRAPHIC VIDEO. Informational on the abortion issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZXQBhTszpU

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market economy vs centrally planned economy

libtard btfo

I dont like abortions because they are morally and rationally wrong at every aspect of it.
However, the man is a disgusting hypocrite.
He isnt speaking senseless, but he's disgusting.

day of the rope in france

centrally planned economy is for faggots

go to venezuela

abortion only for non whites and white trash whores. Population control tbh

fuck abortions, its pathetic

to kill your kids

yeah, but the snowman

you would need to be the lowest disgrace to your own race to kill healthy unborn kids

You're retarded if you think Venezuela is Socialist

venezuala isn't true centrally planned economy because they don't have snow

yes and the people getting abortions deserved to be stomped but look at it like this

would you want these retards who think about getting abortions breeding in the first place?

no? it doesnt justify abortions?

I am yes and no on abortion

you let them become even more degenerated

wipe out the retards, idc

right now it should be up but once fascism takes hold it would be shut down

state enforced abortion to non-white

^ this tbh

ayyyy lmao

im for meritocracy to the bones

state enforced abortions to idiots

because here is the thing the healthy whites are having families which is a good thing. You might not like it but abortion is a line keeping us from a total fuckshow of a country in the next generation and all

very based

pass the test to have kids lmao

hold up

so you're pro abortion then?