Well, I don't know about that but Alternativ för Sverige is definetly better.

ironically he is a proto SJW, nothing more really, and still harps on about being anti collectivist

its just sad now and simply retarded on his part, at leat his consistent i guess.

yeah I saw some chanell point them out to me and I realized how bad it is in sweden that sweden democrats are being seen as something nationalistic

Indeed

Either way this may be the start of the swing back, the issue is do they have the time to swing back, or will they be defeated by their own democratic process and anti soverinty and exclusivity

So I saw this from Sargon today, irinically im still subbed to his FB, when I said sargon is a proto SJW I meant it.

"Race is a social construct. Same with gender, sexuality and anything else that can be considered as part of a social interaction between people."

this was in response to someone, he then goes to say-> "n fact, they are ALL influenced by biology. The point of a social construct is for human society to deal with a facet of reality which we encounter in everyday life. It's necessary to tie it to biology." as his defense on his opinion os the social construct of race etc. Albeit these being facts of existence rather than esoteric notions that social constructs tend to define.

and then: "Yes, it's called learning. I was wrong in 2017, I am correct now." In refrence to a 2017 video he made where the evidence demonstrated that race is something that matters whether or not the society is aware of it or not, and to an extent therefore ethnicity falls under the same issue. Social constructs are something that makes into tradition, that is invented with certain reasons. Man and women are not social constructs and their gender expressions are not social constructs either, however the way we treat women and men are social constructs so in this case it would mean legally, financially, etc.

So yeah

Sargon has literally become a proper leftist

my proto SJW theory was correct, I mean its not like he differed from SJW's on his philosophical foundations much or at all, and was a radical individualist. Meaning this was literally bound to happen

2015 sargon was best, at least then there was his original idea of Marxist Sargonism (which wasnt unfounded and was actually quite well constructed as far as a starting point for some economic model and later ideology)

Sargon is one of the guys who thinks things will magically turn out fine if only we rolled society back 15 years

Anything more reactionary is "muh horseshoe theory" "you're as bad as the left"

these rational skeptic types and even most alt right are leftists that just took longer to integrate into the mainstream marxist doctrine

“everyone to the left of me is a marxist”

@Deleted User you mean Alt Righters like Richard Spencer?

tbh, the alt right bores me

shh

we don't talk about richard spencer

Richard Spencer is gay, change my mind

“everyone i don’t like is a homosexual”

Nope, I don't call Obama gay

seems like everyone else does

But the likelihood you are is very high

k

Ahahha

(((Alt Right)))

uh

right

Meh. Spencer at this point is essentially a shill for Dugin and the Eurasianists.

The alt right is not remotely right wing

"alternative" right is so alternative it doesn't even fit in with the right

sorry how is it not right wing

I mean really only certain individuals (i.e. Spencer) and the Mainstream media use that term.

I mean all of the Alt Right

well, specific to what I was talking about, most of the Alt Right

So how are they exactly Leftist? In your opinion.

What do they advocate for?

usually something along the lines of a white ethnostate

What sort of policies specifically though

Free speech?

Individualism?

"The West"?

i mean it’s not like there’s a defined ‘alt-right manifesto’ or anything so it really varies from person to person

It does

and how is ‘the west’ a policy lmao

Far Right <:unequal:473954748517842954> Alt Right

@ham addition Eurocentrism

that's one of the things they advocate for is "saving the West"

alright that makes more sense then

than just ‘the west’

Yes that's one of their main talking points

The West is a spook

i’m not sure how this ties into being leftist though

because the concept of "The West" came into being to pave the way for liberalism a couple centuries ago

to say they're leftists is a bit of a misnomer

it's more liberal than anything

but it's a lot of the same shit

yeah nah

and liberal =/= leftist smhmh

yeah you're right

there's a lot of overlap tho

Yes, liberal means leftist, you know its meant stop wasting our time with such a bland objection to a word usage you understand. Poor discourse

not really in this context though

fucking what

don't be a nerd

You are talking about theoretical politics in a political server. None of us can accuse of being a nerd, do you see that is absurd?

yeah but you talk like a nerd my guy

you're fucking rhyming

every time i check this server i want to die more and more

Wow, i allegedly rhymed what a quality discourse. Kys

"quality discourse"

*a l l e g e d l y*

I do declare, sirrah, thine banter is most superfluous

i feel like making a list of the shittiest people i’ve met on this server

You would easily top my list, adam

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the feeling’s mutual xoxo

Politics is an agressive thing, and we have two ways to go about it, agressive verbal sport such that blood may quench the thirst of the masses, alternatively we may fling fecal matter, or just shitpost.

that’s three

But I would say that liberals are leftists, they can range from proerply let to center left, however the positions of liberalism put it firmly in the camp of the left and this is also why the left has been defined by liberalism for the past, what, 50-100 years?

Liberals <:unequal:473954748517842954> Leftist

that's the point I was trying to make more or less but I'm ass at explaining shit

imo liberals lie firmly in the centre

lmao

from the centre-right to centre-left

I don't think you're completely wrong, there's a spectrum

shit's nuanced of course

Liberals are naturally centre right but it's been infected with pure leftists

at this point, if you are referring to classical liberals thats what you say

not liberals

liberals has a usage meaning in america

They can be, but most venture and drift off to the left, radically. Finding a right wing liberal is often almost impossible. There are these outliers but so few and far ebetween. Id put classical liberals in the center.

and afaik this is a majority american server

firmly in the center.

Free market Capitalisitic
Nationalist
Individual rights

yeah that shit is gay

Liberalism cant really be nationalist, but then agian I need to review on the core tenants of liberalism and the logic of it

Nationalism is not gay dickweed

the only thing special about these more "right leaning" liberals is that they just take longer to integrate with the marxists

libertarian has superseded the usage of classical liberal

generally its issue from what I remember being is that its radical individualism was the issue

but thats from when I last read up on liberalism and I had little time to do so

:/

Nationalism isn't completely gay, but it's been muddied up so much by patriotard boomers

and other fuckwits

if you care about who thinks what

that makes you a brainlet contrarian

if you didn’t care about who thinks what you wouldn’t be on a political server

i care about what is thought

not who thinks it

its not some fashion

Loyalty of communists + nationalism of Fascism

Yes plz

lmao

communists arent loyal

>loyalty of communists

they killed more royals than any other group in history

thats the opposite of loyalty? afaik??

@Jay1532 "be loyal to the state or die"

>nationalism of fascism

correlation: not found

Communists kill each other to get ahead

so loyalty is found under the gun?

seems more like intimidation than loyalty

do you even know what communism or fascism are?

No lmao

To jay

your answer fits my question

But also to Zeigler.

lol are you 14? pretty sure those arent difficult concepts

Soviets are most dedicated to their state

lmfao

thats 1. impossible to prove and 2. history proves its wrong

@Doctor Anon

no it's very easy to prove

The only time Soviets were dedicated to the state was when the personality cult of Stalin was forced down their throat and simultaneously they were being brutally invaded.

the Soviets at the top were not even ethnic Russians

@Jay1532 Have you ever been to Russia or?

I don't think so

they dismantled the state they belonged to, killed its former leaders, and then killed millions of its people

Yeah, afaik they are only loyal to personality cults

russia isnt soviet anymore???

Zeiglar is right

in terms of the history of communism in russia

loyalty was never part of the equation

the Soviets were subverters

it was more of an oppressive ideology meant to well... genocide millions

@Jay1532 Lots of its citizens are still loyal to the soviets even if they are gone

ok? thats just rose-tinted glasses

because Russians are a race of fucking brainlet peasants

@Bogatyr Bogumir I'm not talking about their ideology

The pan-socialist quasinationalism that the Soviets tried to force on the republics and the rest of the Warsaw Pact was almost completely rejected.

I'm not talking about ideology either

the fact is that they weren't Russians, they subverted Russia

and they dont look fondly on marxism, they look back fondly on imperialism

Ik @Deleted User

they had a huge geography under their hegemony

Because they remember the glory days of rivaling american supremacy

I know, Id say people were loyal to the idea of the great soviet Russia, this mythical ethereal spirit of the russian people, that simply took on a new name. The loyalty was there during the war, however afterwards its hard to say they were particularly loyal.

you think they like that, or bread lines

lol

then what the fuck are you talking about "soviet loyalty"???

so loyal to bread lines im sure

Soviet nostalgia is rooted in nationalism, not actually liking the Soviet Union. If the transition to democracy wasn't completely fucked by Yeltsin there would be next to no nostalgia for the Soviet Union today.

@εïз irma εïз^

they went from being an arguably great sized empire

yeah

to a cucked democracy

@Deleted User I'm not, I'm saying that lots of people are more so loyal to the communists than people are loyal to fascists

its not nostalgia for bread lines

Soviet nostalgia is probably due to a lot of different reasons, the first being fondness for communism that a lot of people here have

Nobody is loyal to communism in Russia lmao

because loyalty to fascism gets people a trial at the hague

???

the second being fondness over propaganda from "the good old days"

People like that the Soviet Union was stronger than Russia is today.

It has nothing to do with ideology.

I mean the communists did do a few things right, my grandfather remembers those right things fondly and hates the new capitalist system for ruining them and literally fucking up the population by doing so

you really need to understand how subject to intimidation and power people are

no one is free from it

and the third being a desire for Russia to return to prominence

They like that Russia didn't have to cuck to the west

its a chief characteristic of humanity

I would say that the fascist movement in Russia is a lot stronger than communism.

mostly things like availability of work, govorment work programs, public transport being heavily inveted in and certain sectors as well

@εïз irma εïз I don't give a shit about their ideology, I said already it's not about ideology

-ignores large communist party in Russia-

I don't see a sizeable fascist party

Enlighten me

🤔

He hated a lot of it as well, but his longing for a time for those specific programs to return is not without raeason, and its because they worked

No Russian fascist parties?

the pro-Soviet movement in Russia is much larger than the Fascist movement

but they aren't ideologically Soviets

at least not in the way that the original Soviets were

Communism is dead in Russia. Anything with Soviet attached to it is pure nostalgia and nationalism.

So if the Soviet movement could be made fascist would they be more successful?

(Also interetingly my grandfather was a member of the communist party, in his local city, he was however at one point too idealist and actually wanted to help people. This was an issue so they stormed his and my aprents apartament trying to find something incriminating because he just wasnt good at making people miserable. He also is and was veyr anti jewish, mostly because of his experience during the war and then during communism when he was in the party.)

nationalistic soviets?

that's probably why they raided him

that's NazBol

NazBol isn't pure Communist but there's overlap

Nazbol should die already

ye

NazBol is a meme ideology, both on the internet and the real world.

it's fucking retarded

I mean not having Soviet economic policy, but having the trappings of Soviet nostalgia

nazbol gang

why?

Soviets were bloodthirsty non-Russian usurpers that murdered the best and brightest of the Russian nation

No one is a dead serious nazbol

That's impossible

yes there are dead serious nazbols

^

Dugin. 😎

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Dugin is just a pseudointellectual though.

but yeah I thought nazbol was just a joke

🅱ourth 🅱osition : DDDD

Serious nazbol are a joke

I'm 42nd position

Nazbol is retarded but there are always retards

especially in Russia because again, the Soviets killed the best Russians

yea

Soviets were Jews

yeah

National Bolshevism really only exists within Russia.
Any Nazbol outside of Russia are just memers

this

NazBol actually was a pretty serious intellectual movement in Germany in the 30's.

Still very fringe though.

Course many Russian Nazbols also subscribe to Duginism aka Neo Eurasianism.

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And that's because Dugin was one of the founders of the Nazbol movement

I'm still curious if a fascist movement that pretended to be soviet wouldn't be more successful in Russia

why would fascists pretend to be soviets

they are polar opposites

To take on the nostalgia of the Soviets

Like you said, the people aren't actually loyal to soviet policy

so what, pretend to be soviets to trick people into hopping on board but surprise, you're not actually soviets but fascists?

wear it as a mask?

that's retarded

^

More like rebrand sovietism

again why

that's retarded

If you want i can link some PDFs to a couple of his works

does it explain why

I'm just wondering if it wouldn't be more successful in and for Russia