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Well, I don't know about that but Alternativ för Sverige is definetly better.
ironically he is a proto SJW, nothing more really, and still harps on about being anti collectivist
its just sad now and simply retarded on his part, at leat his consistent i guess.
yeah I saw some chanell point them out to me and I realized how bad it is in sweden that sweden democrats are being seen as something nationalistic
Either way this may be the start of the swing back, the issue is do they have the time to swing back, or will they be defeated by their own democratic process and anti soverinty and exclusivity
So I saw this from Sargon today, irinically im still subbed to his FB, when I said sargon is a proto SJW I meant it.
"Race is a social construct. Same with gender, sexuality and anything else that can be considered as part of a social interaction between people."
this was in response to someone, he then goes to say-> "n fact, they are ALL influenced by biology. The point of a social construct is for human society to deal with a facet of reality which we encounter in everyday life. It's necessary to tie it to biology." as his defense on his opinion os the social construct of race etc. Albeit these being facts of existence rather than esoteric notions that social constructs tend to define.
and then: "Yes, it's called learning. I was wrong in 2017, I am correct now." In refrence to a 2017 video he made where the evidence demonstrated that race is something that matters whether or not the society is aware of it or not, and to an extent therefore ethnicity falls under the same issue. Social constructs are something that makes into tradition, that is invented with certain reasons. Man and women are not social constructs and their gender expressions are not social constructs either, however the way we treat women and men are social constructs so in this case it would mean legally, financially, etc.
Sargon has literally become a proper leftist
my proto SJW theory was correct, I mean its not like he differed from SJW's on his philosophical foundations much or at all, and was a radical individualist. Meaning this was literally bound to happen
2015 sargon was best, at least then there was his original idea of Marxist Sargonism (which wasnt unfounded and was actually quite well constructed as far as a starting point for some economic model and later ideology)
Sargon is one of the guys who thinks things will magically turn out fine if only we rolled society back 15 years
Anything more reactionary is "muh horseshoe theory" "you're as bad as the left"
these rational skeptic types and even most alt right are leftists that just took longer to integrate into the mainstream marxist doctrine
“everyone to the left of me is a marxist”
@Deleted User you mean Alt Righters like Richard Spencer?
tbh, the alt right bores me
we don't talk about richard spencer
Richard Spencer is gay, change my mind
“everyone i don’t like is a homosexual”
Nope, I don't call Obama gay
seems like everyone else does
But the likelihood you are is very high
Meh. Spencer at this point is essentially a shill for Dugin and the Eurasianists.
The alt right is not remotely right wing
"alternative" right is so alternative it doesn't even fit in with the right
sorry how is it not right wing
I mean really only certain individuals (i.e. Spencer) and the Mainstream media use that term.
I mean all of the Alt Right
well, specific to what I was talking about, most of the Alt Right
So how are they exactly Leftist? In your opinion.
What do they advocate for?
usually something along the lines of a white ethnostate
What sort of policies specifically though
i mean it’s not like there’s a defined ‘alt-right manifesto’ or anything so it really varies from person to person
and how is ‘the west’ a policy lmao
Far Right <:unequal:473954748517842954> Alt Right
that's one of the things they advocate for is "saving the West"
alright that makes more sense then
than just ‘the west’
Yes that's one of their main talking points
The West is a spook
i’m not sure how this ties into being leftist though
because the concept of "The West" came into being to pave the way for liberalism a couple centuries ago
to say they're leftists is a bit of a misnomer
it's more liberal than anything
but it's a lot of the same shit
and liberal =/= leftist smhmh
yeah you're right
there's a lot of overlap tho
Yes, liberal means leftist, you know its meant stop wasting our time with such a bland objection to a word usage you understand. Poor discourse
not really in this context though
don't be a nerd
You are talking about theoretical politics in a political server. None of us can accuse of being a nerd, do you see that is absurd?
yeah but you talk like a nerd my guy
you're fucking rhyming
every time i check this server i want to die more and more
Wow, i allegedly rhymed what a quality discourse. Kys
*a l l e g e d l y*
I do declare, sirrah, thine banter is most superfluous
i feel like making a list of the shittiest people i’ve met on this server
You would easily top my list, adam
the feeling’s mutual xoxo
Politics is an agressive thing, and we have two ways to go about it, agressive verbal sport such that blood may quench the thirst of the masses, alternatively we may fling fecal matter, or just shitpost.
But I would say that liberals are leftists, they can range from proerply let to center left, however the positions of liberalism put it firmly in the camp of the left and this is also why the left has been defined by liberalism for the past, what, 50-100 years?
Liberals <:unequal:473954748517842954> Leftist
that's the point I was trying to make more or less but I'm ass at explaining shit
imo liberals lie firmly in the centre
from the centre-right to centre-left
I don't think you're completely wrong, there's a spectrum
shit's nuanced of course
Liberals are naturally centre right but it's been infected with pure leftists
at this point, if you are referring to classical liberals thats what you say
liberals has a usage meaning in america
They can be, but most venture and drift off to the left, radically. Finding a right wing liberal is often almost impossible. There are these outliers but so few and far ebetween. Id put classical liberals in the center.
and afaik this is a majority american server
firmly in the center.
Free market Capitalisitic
yeah that shit is gay
Liberalism cant really be nationalist, but then agian I need to review on the core tenants of liberalism and the logic of it
Nationalism is not gay dickweed
the only thing special about these more "right leaning" liberals is that they just take longer to integrate with the marxists
libertarian has superseded the usage of classical liberal
generally its issue from what I remember being is that its radical individualism was the issue
but thats from when I last read up on liberalism and I had little time to do so
Nationalism isn't completely gay, but it's been muddied up so much by patriotard boomers
and other fuckwits
if you care about who thinks what
that makes you a brainlet contrarian
if you didn’t care about who thinks what you wouldn’t be on a political server
i care about what is thought
not who thinks it
its not some fashion
Loyalty of communists + nationalism of Fascism
communists arent loyal
>loyalty of communists
they killed more royals than any other group in history
thats the opposite of loyalty? afaik??
>nationalism of fascism
correlation: not found
Communists kill each other to get ahead
so loyalty is found under the gun?
seems more like intimidation than loyalty
do you even know what communism or fascism are?
your answer fits my question
But also to Zeigler.
lol are you 14? pretty sure those arent difficult concepts
Soviets are most dedicated to their state
thats 1. impossible to prove and 2. history proves its wrong
no it's very easy to prove
The only time Soviets were dedicated to the state was when the personality cult of Stalin was forced down their throat and simultaneously they were being brutally invaded.
the Soviets at the top were not even ethnic Russians
I don't think so
they dismantled the state they belonged to, killed its former leaders, and then killed millions of its people
Yeah, afaik they are only loyal to personality cults
russia isnt soviet anymore???
Zeiglar is right
in terms of the history of communism in russia
loyalty was never part of the equation
the Soviets were subverters
it was more of an oppressive ideology meant to well... genocide millions
@Jay1532 Lots of its citizens are still loyal to the soviets even if they are gone
ok? thats just rose-tinted glasses
because Russians are a race of fucking brainlet peasants
The pan-socialist quasinationalism that the Soviets tried to force on the republics and the rest of the Warsaw Pact was almost completely rejected.
I'm not talking about ideology either
the fact is that they weren't Russians, they subverted Russia
and they dont look fondly on marxism, they look back fondly on imperialism
they had a huge geography under their hegemony
Because they remember the glory days of rivaling american supremacy
I know, Id say people were loyal to the idea of the great soviet Russia, this mythical ethereal spirit of the russian people, that simply took on a new name. The loyalty was there during the war, however afterwards its hard to say they were particularly loyal.
you think they like that, or bread lines
then what the fuck are you talking about "soviet loyalty"???
so loyal to bread lines im sure
Soviet nostalgia is rooted in nationalism, not actually liking the Soviet Union. If the transition to democracy wasn't completely fucked by Yeltsin there would be next to no nostalgia for the Soviet Union today.
they went from being an arguably great sized empire
to a cucked democracy
@Deleted User I'm not, I'm saying that lots of people are more so loyal to the communists than people are loyal to fascists
its not nostalgia for bread lines
Soviet nostalgia is probably due to a lot of different reasons, the first being fondness for communism that a lot of people here have
Nobody is loyal to communism in Russia lmao
because loyalty to fascism gets people a trial at the hague
the second being fondness over propaganda from "the good old days"
People like that the Soviet Union was stronger than Russia is today.
It has nothing to do with ideology.
I mean the communists did do a few things right, my grandfather remembers those right things fondly and hates the new capitalist system for ruining them and literally fucking up the population by doing so
you really need to understand how subject to intimidation and power people are
no one is free from it
and the third being a desire for Russia to return to prominence
They like that Russia didn't have to cuck to the west
its a chief characteristic of humanity
I would say that the fascist movement in Russia is a lot stronger than communism.
mostly things like availability of work, govorment work programs, public transport being heavily inveted in and certain sectors as well
@εïз irma εïз I don't give a shit about their ideology, I said already it's not about ideology
-ignores large communist party in Russia-
I don't see a sizeable fascist party
He hated a lot of it as well, but his longing for a time for those specific programs to return is not without raeason, and its because they worked
No Russian fascist parties?
the pro-Soviet movement in Russia is much larger than the Fascist movement
but they aren't ideologically Soviets
at least not in the way that the original Soviets were
Communism is dead in Russia. Anything with Soviet attached to it is pure nostalgia and nationalism.
So if the Soviet movement could be made fascist would they be more successful?
(Also interetingly my grandfather was a member of the communist party, in his local city, he was however at one point too idealist and actually wanted to help people. This was an issue so they stormed his and my aprents apartament trying to find something incriminating because he just wasnt good at making people miserable. He also is and was veyr anti jewish, mostly because of his experience during the war and then during communism when he was in the party.)
that's probably why they raided him
NazBol isn't pure Communist but there's overlap
Nazbol should die already
NazBol is a meme ideology, both on the internet and the real world.
it's fucking retarded
I mean not having Soviet economic policy, but having the trappings of Soviet nostalgia
Soviets were bloodthirsty non-Russian usurpers that murdered the best and brightest of the Russian nation
No one is a dead serious nazbol
yes there are dead serious nazbols
Dugin is just a pseudointellectual though.
but yeah I thought nazbol was just a joke
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Serious nazbol are a joke
I'm 42nd position
Nazbol is retarded but there are always retards
especially in Russia because again, the Soviets killed the best Russians
Soviets were Jews
National Bolshevism really only exists within Russia.
Any Nazbol outside of Russia are just memers
NazBol actually was a pretty serious intellectual movement in Germany in the 30's.
Still very fringe though.
Course many Russian Nazbols also subscribe to Duginism aka Neo Eurasianism.
And that's because Dugin was one of the founders of the Nazbol movement
I'm still curious if a fascist movement that pretended to be soviet wouldn't be more successful in Russia
why would fascists pretend to be soviets
they are polar opposites
To take on the nostalgia of the Soviets
Like you said, the people aren't actually loyal to soviet policy
so what, pretend to be soviets to trick people into hopping on board but surprise, you're not actually soviets but fascists?
wear it as a mask?
More like rebrand sovietism
If you want i can link some PDFs to a couple of his works
does it explain why
I'm just wondering if it wouldn't be more successful in and for Russia