Look at your roles

ik

You'd only have that role for arguing like a leftist

yeah i didn't say i wasn't a leftist

In american context

That's what libtard means generally

american context is dumb then

American political discourse is full of a lot of conflation and miss used/appropriated terms

if you agree it's misused then why use it

Is it more stupid to think that as one person you can correct a nation’s improper usage?

I never said libtard was misused

Liberal is misused

Is it?

I mean, if it's just a name your can define it however you like.

Americans use liberal and leftist interchangeably

Like cuck, or soyboy.

What is free and equal to one is not the same as another.

It is what it is, I'm not complaining. I just acknowledge that it is technically wrong

So really the definition of a Liberal is a subjective one

As Liberal means you are in support of Liberty, freedom and Equality

And that's not the same for everyone.

Difficult to misuse a term that means basically anything the person using it wants it to mean.

If we are going to be really semantic then liberal isn't technically about equality, just freedom.

And the left want freedom from traditional constraint and morals

It's about doing away with traditional values.

That's what liberalism is.

bad

Which had lead to some advancements.

Like modern medicine.

Liberalism as an ideology, however, is about removing institutional power from oppressing people from seeking their own self interest

And if you want to use a really old definition, then it's just a man born with freedom

It's a broad term and means whatever you want it to in the tone that you use it.

Which includes the freedom to be degenerate.

Yeah, but people always have that.

That's what free will is.

Would you take that away?

If I could, yes I'd remove all degeneracy

That's not even remotely feasible though

You can still discourage and punish degeneracy though

Fines for sodomy (including oral), jail for creation of porn, fine for distribution, etc.

Haha Maga, Kill All Niggers!

@The Big Oof

Can you define degeneracy, or is it just like Liberalism?

It's just whatever you deem it to be when the moment calls?

https://youtu.be/MdhsVXyuadc

Basically it is the use of anything which is in contradiction to the telos of the thing

Paternal Consevatism: the father of autistic contemporary conservatism

Lol

People like Burke were totally misinterpreted

by corporations and the Republican Party.

he wasn’t nearly as free market especially when he saw the French Revolution

Conservatism isn’t an economic ideology - so libertarians to be will always be some sort of liberal and nothing more really.

“Conservative” economics is neoliberal economics sold as “fueling the National spirit”

American conservatives are closer to classical liberals than Burkian conservatives 100%.

- or literally wealthy bourgeoisie pockets lol

tbh in a way

I am really big on just focusing on rebuilding a conservative culture, honestly probably re romanticizing it.

rather than quarrel about the budget - it’s pretty obvious the government doing something like providing healthcare to people in some capacity is better than pretending people choose to get sick

>Basically it is the use of anything which is in contradiction to the telos of the thing

You could have just said yes, it's whatever you say it is

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 not at all. Telos has a very definite meaning. If you believe that something has a telos then it should be obvious what that telos is and what contradicts the telos is self evident

Degeneracy is conventionally understood as behavior or lifestyles at odds with traditionalism

Even something like brutalist architecture is often regarded as degenerate, since it spits in the face of classical forms forms of exterior design

Brutalist Architecture is not degenerate

Much better than modern-futurist

A Telos is the ultimate end of something. It has no definite meaning.

@campodin

So "anything" in contradiction to the "Telos" of a "thing" means?

Anything that is in contradiction to the end of anything.

The definitive meaning of a Telos is "an ultimate end"

So your statement can mean anything.

@Earl of Morrrrgantown you have a moment

Some Orthodox Jews suck the baby's genitalia after circumcision, as is tradition.

And what is "an ultimate end"?

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿

RABBI Yosef Tzvi Ben Porat explains why Hitler hated Jews.
https://youtu.be/33zAu3IDW6w

E. Michael Jones - Poland: Jewish "Paradise"
https://youtu.be/Xt-siQyLQ9E

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"Tesos" an ultimate end.

What is an ultimate end? That's a good question.

If you can't answer the question then you can't say the statement can mean anything

This server is gay as fuck

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Hello

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 perhaps it would be easier if I explained it this way. What is "ultimate end" of your tongue?

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@campodin @Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 Telos* is survival

Telos is what I'm talking about

Since all organisms die, no organism can survive indefinitely, but genes can

Organisms are vessels for genes, and thus it is an organism's ultimate purpose to secure the survival of its genes

And degenerate behaviors are in contradiction to survival?

@campodin that's typically how we think of them. For example homosexuality is considered degenerate because it doesn't produce offspring

I would agree with that

You could say the same for any form of sex that doesn't have the potential for reproduction. Now keep in mind while a blowjob is degenerate, a man can get a blowjob one night and still have kids prior to his death.

Calling something degenerate just identifies it as less than ideal

I'm in favor of social pressures against oral sex. Ie. Ostracization

It's not really priority #1

But yes, not all degeneracy is equal

Ironically role playing, BDSM, and dressing up during sex aren't degenerate by this definition assuming the form of sex is still intercourse

Weird

As long as it isn't adultery, sodomy or gay

@Madden and no birth control is used

Well age play could be since it encourages attraction to children

Yea

Adultury isn't nessesarily degenerate either by this definition

Not sexually degenerate

If the man cheats on his wife and impregnates his mistress then he is being procreative

The concern here isn't degeneracy but something else

You would argue based on the effect that single parent/out of wedlock kids have on society

Not even that is correct. Telos is an end. The ultimate Goal, the aim.

Not even what?

Simply put groups are a strategy in which multiple organisms (often with shared genes) cooperate to compete with other groups and organisms. The most successful groups have rules for how group members should interact with each other and when a member breaks the rules the group condemns the rule breaker because he is undermining group cohesion

If your goal is survival, then to keep your head down and bide your time until the threat has passed is the way to survive, unless you think that you would be sought out and exterminated for doing so.

It is fight OR flight

That's why adultury is condemned within society

Societies that condemn it do better as a result

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 no survival is Telos

Survival at any cost

And sticking your head down is only applicable when danger is present

The Telos is survival.

Yes

I think is what you mean.

You're right

Telos in and of itself means nothing.

It's just an end.

A goal

The destination or aim.

Survival is more than threat scenarios

No, if you believe you are in danger of not surviving

There is a threat.

Either you need to mitigate the threat, or hide from it.

Passing on your genes has to do with survival but there is no threat.

No, of you don't pass on your genes, that is the threat.

That your genetic line will end.

Then you are just describing every operation of life in general

To keep us alive long enough to reproduce, to help our offspring survive long enough so they can reproduce, etc.

All such would be a?

The threat to your genetic line surviving.

To continue to live or exist, especially in spite of danger or hardship.

Everything we do is to protect ourselves from threat.

That is to survive.

@campodin false.

Yeah.

We don't eat to survive

Now threat has become meaningless

We eat because we like it.

People do things that are detrimental to the survival of their genes, of humanity, and of life

Lol food is for nutrition

And often that action is in contrary to survival.

What I claim is not that all organism act this way, but that this is how all organisms SHOULD act

Yeah and those are the degenerate behaviors

So when you go to the store, you buy anything.

Those who do so well pass on their genes. The rest are lost to time

You don't look for things you would like more, or that you enjoy eating?

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here

I'm talking to the other one.

He said food is for nutrition.

Yes.

The Telos is the survival of genes, do you disagree?

The ultimate goal?

The biological purpose of enjoyment is to encourage you to pursue good behavior

Then what about priests?

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 remember what I said about groups?

Are priests degenerate because they take vows to remain celibate?

That is contrary to the Telos.

Which is the survival of genetic material.

A priest serves a function in his group that increases group cohesion and the likelihood of shared genes surviving

Not all religious institutions require or encourage celibacy

Then again

By your definition

Orthodox priests marry and have lots of children

I'm not arguing for, or against. Just asking the question.

I would argue that catholic priests are currently degenerate

A celibate priest is acting in a way that will increase the likelihood that his genes will survive, because his siblings, cousins, and entire extended family which shares genes that belong to his group benefit from priests promoting social norms in the group

#notall

I see.

Also the term degeneracy doesn't apply to the absence of good behavior. It is used to identify behavior that is similar to good behavior but misses the mark

But snake is right

No.

So gay sex is like regular sex but it misses the possibility of producing offspring

It's the signs of decline.

what i've learned from this server is that "degeneracy" is anything you don't like and can't think of any actual argument against

Evidence of decline.

Gay sex has many issues.

Which is subjective.

@ham addition libtard

@ham addition well I just joined tonight but I think my case for it is quite coherent

1: Unhealthy
2: Symptom of the breakdown of social morality.
3: Fucking gross

Degeneracy is whatever one views as the evidence of decline.

Inherently hedonistic

In a sense gay sex is very close to being a procreative act, but the factor that keeps it from being procreative is what makes it degenerate

Where did you pull evidence of decline from?

The dictionary.

@Snakeisninja are you a fag

@Deleted User no lol

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What if the gay people did procreate?

What if pigs flee

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 they don't/can't

Flew

Uh...

That's what makes it degenerate

@Deleted User what makes gay sex any less healthy than straight sex

Well, I could have sex with a woman.

If they could it wouldn't be degenerate

And have a baby

Degeneracy is the use of a thing in contradiction to it's telos

Then be with a man.

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿ahhhhh

Now I see what you meant

@ham addition are you serious

I have procreated and my partner has as well.

yup

It was unclear

Nobody in this server is ever having sex.

Gay sex is the largest vector of disease, it is literally the most unhealthy thing for y oy @ham addition

So then if being gay is a choice, then what?

Using a gun as a hammer is a degenerate use of the gun

Okay @Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 I can answer that seriously

12x more dangerous than smoking

Fags are a public health risk

Only fags get aids

Only

Hahahaha

Hahahahahaha

Only fags get pretty much any std

Fags as in cigarettes or fags as in gays.

oh my fucking god

When a man has sex with another man the act of sex is degenerate. When a man has intercourse with a woman the act is not degenerate.

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 >80%

There's a reason aids used to be called grid

>95% in the us

Gay related immuno deficiency

So theoretically a gay man could be degenerate, then impregnate a woman and he would die with offspring

Butt sex is poison for you

That's stupid

It's the choices you make. @Deleted User

You stupid faggot have you ever looked at std transmission rates

Those are the poison

Shut the fuck up retard

it's not gay sex as a whole which is the problem it's unprotected sex