every act is
1. good
2. bad
3. passive

only bad acts need forgiveness

I think hes confusing malice with evil

malice comes from evil tho

theft isnt inherently evil

its the principle

an evil act shouldnt be done

>depriving someone of what is rightfully theirs isn't evil
🤔

I would be willing to forgive someone who did an 'evil' act by accepting who hey are, for example, in the process of molding them into a better person. That is not permanent.

even if it does good, principle

it hurts

but thats kinda the point god wants to make

you just called a starving child stealing bread from a baker evil

we cant achieve the ideal

my point wasnt done

Or the bourgeoisie being killed by the proletariat. 😎

>be the bigger person
aka, let people walk all over you and have moral principles that are toppled by a slight breeze

the child did an evil act

prove me wrong

you can't

If your ideals are absolute you're asking to be moved on them anyways.

I can

the child was trying to survive

wtf josh is a socialist???? excess wealth should be redisributed!!!1?1?!1

the child did something evil to live

evil is too string a word the child did a bad thing but to jump straight to evil ignores the context

it must be done, but its never justified

>evil
>a strong word
only if you make it as such

taxes for example are necessary theft

>taxes
>necessary
not in my utopia :ancap:

evil is the worst form of bad there is

If you are making it such a watered down word when in English it's a very strong one you're either being intentionally or unintentionally intellectually dishonest within the context of your own made-up jargon.

ancap is unrealistic im done

@Josh42A I'm not ancap, but ancap is a good meme

In English, like every language in the world, words have meaning.

im still done I hate post modernists

@εïз irma εïз we don't have to use the word evil then, we could use "bad" or "wrong"

Is it bad for a child to steal from a baker if they're starving?

@Josh42A
>me
>a post modernist
I am an ABSOLUTIST

@εïз irma εïз it's bad for anyone to steal, reason does not matter

nice try post modernist

perhaps it is wrong for the child to be starving

I can tell you're a absolutist because of the gaps in your logic.

but thieving is still wrong

@εïз irma εïз its not wrong in terms of nessesity , but it is in principle

@Josh42A you're the one with a morally relative ideology

morals *are* reletive

false

It is bad for ANYONE to steal, ignoring the context of specific situations. The necessity of starvation is more important than the morality of theft.

^literal post modernist though @Josh42A

didnt you say things have an intrinsic value

they do

Moral relativism is not a strictly post-modernist view.

then how are morals subjective?

@εïз irma εïз
>implying a justified act can't still be wrong
it's almost as if you're a relativist

morals are reletive because context matters

morals should be on principle

pragmatism is bullshit

if your morality is moveable, it shall be moved, and thus it is relativist

They should and they are, yet morals are not the same everywhere. Only morals that are a part of our biological shopping list are common across cultures.

yes just like society

if all the moral principals were in place the starving child wouldnt happen

Yes I quoted Foucault. 😎

@Rob Travis (Mason) this is literally true

sure

we would feed him before he felt the need to steal

But this is not the case. It never has been and it never will.

let me clarify

never have an ideology judged on its imperfections

only on its stated principles

Never express your ideology based on its imperfections.

St. Thomas of Aquinas is all the moral philosophy necessary to be sound and true

punishment for immoral actions must be relative

>implying punishment has even been brought up on our end

which is why we have different punishment for different crimes and how severe

>implying you have a monopoly on what is and is not discussed

>implying that this isn't a contained discussion between 4 people with 2 people falling relatively together

in each group

Doesn't imply that at all.

You're just making implications everywhere aren't you?

he literally sees in black and white

black, white, and grey

1. bad
2. good
3. passive

3 distinct groups

im the one who sees in black and white

in terms of morals

I'm sure me and John disagree on a lot.

Josh.

Same thing.

whos john

anything that isn't a moral question is "passive"

A Nazi weightlifter friend of mine.

💪

>implying something cant be between bad and pasive

ommisian of truth for instance

nothing can be between bad and passive because if something is passive, it is not within the realm of morality

inaction can sometimes be wrong, keep that in mind

are you one of those crazies that doesnt think black truths are bad.

black truths? ive never heard of that

please elaborate

>black truth

lashing hara

a black truth is like me calling you stupid because you dont know what they are technically Im not wrong

but its rude

you're literally arguing in agreement with the idea of Lashon Hara

i dont mind being called stupid, its common banter

🤔

its not like i'll really feel hurt by it

i wanna learn

Truth is never immoral

^

but it is painful sometimes

yall are crazy

no, you are

if you would prefer lies

we're all insane guys

and deceit over reality

you confuse criticism with insults

if an insult is true, it is not longer an insult, but rather it is a reality

its not like insults really mean anything though

at least in the grand scheme of things

All I'm saying is that maybe Hitler had a point.

lol good luck getting a woman without avoiding black truths

avoiding the truth will only hurt the relationship

honesty, sincerity, and genuine care

are better foundations than soothing platitudes

Woke.

i'd want her to be just as honest with me

good luck lads

we'd grow together as people

^what a good man

Anything works short-term if you want to be a douchebag.

if i love her, i'll accept her flaws and help her adress them if she wants to change them

she's my wife

i'll love her

yeah and bringing them up isnt always a good idea

If you’re going to bring up problems with her, you better be sure you know that you’re helping

your idea of truth is closer to that of modern Jewish law than it is to traditional truth

it's ironic

Maybe not, but failure to address personal flaws and failure to accept them coming from other people is an issue that makes you an insufferable human being. You can't win with someone like that, appeasement is just as bad as addressing it forthright.

^

And if you think maybe you don't have any personal flaws then you're one of those people.

^

It’s important to address both peoples problems

^ the truth

he speaks it

@εïз irma εïз correct
@iowa

As long as you are actually helping and not contributing to a perceived image

anyway, goodnight

this place is awesome,i just wanna say

Thank everyone who participates in it

i dont want to do the ping of death

theres only 78 people lol

JUUUUUUUUST right...

Thanks @everyone (:

oh god...

it begins

??

we had a great discussion

fuck OFF @CasualDevil

well then

dats rude fam

@εïз irma εïз What occurred and ill be on my way /:-)

free will continued a bit

then eventually morals

josh thinks morals are subjective, but people have intrinsic values. contradictory KEK

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Deo69fDXUAAx7DS.jpg:large

no I corrected my self

I was refereing to punishments

If you aren't Hungarian what are you doing with your life?

im at work rn wbu

i donnu, im painting spehs marins

Warhammer is nice

tis the funnest

/\ heretic

im loyalist you fucking xenos

|

why tf you type a vert bar?

Why ping

Why did he say thanks

we had a fantastic debate

Ok

I use | vert bars to mark

Areas i want to go back too later

I suspected that

I use 69's

you are weird af

I don't think that I am.

not you

the grumpy old man

How do you know I'm not a grumpy old man?

This coffee I'm drinking is the most disgusting shit ever.

hahaa its not worse than what I have access too

6 hr old hotel coffee

Hotel coffee is SHIT but still probably better than what I brewed.

Let me know if doc comes online I still need to call him an asshole

no u

I wish I was dumb enough to be religious. 😎

Lol

Who let you out of the kitchen

You're exceedingly clever. That's almost as funny as the first time you said it.

I think we're up to the fourth time now, which just further highlights how exceedingly clever you are.

antitheist scum OUT

Esoteric Hindu Hitlerism.

esoteric Christian

and you dont consider that a religion?

You're exceedingly clever. That's almost as funny as the first time you said it.

Kek

It does not converse, it merely parrots words at us.

Lol who tf is this thot

“Look at me, I’m edgy, religion is for brainlets!”

Jfc

Did the sunglasses emoji not make it obvious it was bait/satire?

Brainlet spotted.

Hello chat

Howdy again.

hi cobra

Hey

why do they call you coaster maker? 🤔

Originally, I came up with that name back in 2010 when I usually build roller coasters inside of Roller Coaster Tycoon 2 or am a huge fan of roller coasters that I love building them. Backyard roller coasters gave me the inspiration of that name as well.

cool!

what do you think is the most challenging part of building roller coasters IRL?

😎 ok, this is epic

is it though?

The hardest part of building roller coasters is the actual track itself.

I'll give you something hard you slut.

..

Putting away all the laundry?

hahahaha

That isn't hard.

he probably just doesn't know how to fold

I felt like Vito Corleone really made the first Godfather movie spectacular and the second and third really didn't measure up.

folding laundry is hard

@εïз irma εïз The Third should never have been made.

They were all good movies but only the first was a great movie.

I liked the idea of a Vatican sub-plot, I really did, but the entire thing could have been done better.

Mhm, first was amazing.

I have a strong urge to throw a molotov cocktail at a crowd from a roof.

Hope Trump gets the Nobel Peace Prize.

why he did squat

I remember my fucking school

Pushed me to care about the environment and shit

So I did reasearch about it, found out whites were only 7-8% of the global population, found out india and china account for almost half of all humans, and said "We need to cull the third world not the first world, it'll save african wildlife, it'll save the rainforest, we need to kill and force birth control on them"

and they FREAKED OUT

They didnt expect an envionmentalist to have an anti third world view.

Why would environmentalism be pro-third world?

It aint

Globalism is pushing the third world to be environmentally harmful.

BAsically

Thats what I told them

they got pissy with me