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bullshit it's all made up
there's no scriptural evidence for purgatory
What an indulgence actually is is charity AFTER your sins have been absolved.
The selling of indulgences that we think of today is a Protestant myth and slander.
source?
Source for what?
that that's what an indulgence actually was
You could Google it and find that literally anywhere except maybe burnallcatholics.org
The problem is that nobody does.
They just believe whatever they learned in the two sentences they heard in a high school history class lecture about Protestantism.
It's the archaic definition of indulgence.
Like Anathema
oh ok
yeah it's the purgatory thing
again, purgatory is bs
Archaic as in what they actually did at the time they were giving indulgences?
Archaic as in that is not the accepted definition in modern language.
that's what i was taught in history
i still believe it despite google
because google agrees
How does Google agree?
you buy yourself a quick trip out of purgatory
Indulgences are charity given after your sins are absolved as they normally would be for less time in purgatory. The problem was corrupt clergymen just selling indulgences and pocketing the money for themselves. The latter is the myth we're told in high school.
The money is supposed to go to a Church-sponsored charity.
but it didn't
But corrupt clergymen created fake charities and pocketed the money.
In the vast majority of cases it did.
ik the specific indulgence saleman martin luther got pissed at was not giving the money to charity
idk the bigger picture
Yeah, I'm not saying it didn't happen.
It did happen.
But the actual practice of indulgences was a good thing when it worked, and most of the time it did.
The act of charity purifies the soul on Earth, as it would otherwise be in Purgatory.
As nothing unclean enters the Kingdom of Heaven.
initially it was definitely good
when it was just charity for the poor
but that's not what it was at the time of the reformation
According to Luther.
also, again, purgatory was made up by the church
yeah, cause an archbishop near luther was selling indulgences to pay back a loan
When?
seems kind of corrupt
When was purgatory invented?
idk when purgatory was invented
but there's no scriptural evidence
Limbo of the Fathers.
Peter 3:19
There's plenty of evidence for it.
Purgatory far preceded indulgences.
limbo's different than purgatory i think
That's correct, but the existence of limbo suggests a stage between Heaven and Hell.
Likewise for Peter 3:19.
The concept of absolution after death before Heaven is in scripture.
Just because purgatory itself is not explicitly mentioned doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It's theologically sound.
yeah but it only applies to pre-flood people
"Purgatory" is just a word, like the trinity which also is not mentioned in the Bible.
Yet Christians believe in the trinity.
Except for Arians.
G*rmans
the trinity is less contrived
more logical
Corinthians 3:15
If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
If you go to Hell you are not saved. If you're consigned to flames as an act of purification then how can that be Hell?
I think the case for a transition that isn't Heaven or Hell is strong.
You can receive absolution after death.
wait but don't you have to get your sins absolved and then those sins are burned away in purgatory?
Christ refers to this I believe.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
gtg good discussion
Cya.
poll: who you votin for ? or if you could vote
🇦 trump
🇧 hillary
🇨 bernie
anyone have that video about poland with the jewish council deciding its future @here ?
never mind, I found it
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Let it be known that @εïз irma εïз was so butthurt at me calling her an ignorant American that she permamuted me on her server
Cannot say I have ever met anyone with thinner skin nor a more pathetic safe space hugbox of a server than hers
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@Doctor Anon You know Irma’s servers been dm advertising everyone
Her server has been more dead than this one
I blame her moderation attitude
Muting people for calling you ignorant is sign of insecure power thirsty teenagers at the helms of the room
Sieg heil
hey alt right fags
you got hacked epic style by antifa
Kool
For sure that's exactly what happened Otter.
Hallo, I come from the Greater Red Panda Reich.
@Deleted User le antifa btfos right wing discords!
Like that list is going to do jack shit
I just randomly found out that I have all of the same body measurements as Avril Lavigne so that’s pretty weird
oh wow
How interesting
Funny. I just randomly found out I have all of the same body measurements of Samwise Gamgee so that’s pretty weird.
Let Antifa do their worse. They can spam in my Discord all they want. I’ll just delete the chats and ban them. They’re blocked from commenting everywhere that matters. Whatever.
I thought those people who raided were Nazis?
They were spamming Siege stuff?
wait what happened with antifa
oh cool
this is the only one that i’m in
and i’m fairly certain i’ve never said anything remotely alt-right or any of those things here so i’d say i’m fine
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Even one is an outrage
how do you know they’re teenagers 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Did they post dic pix
ok
@antifa if you are reading this then i just want to say that i hate these guys
Barnie Sanders had a pretty good proposal recently:
"Col. Barnie Sanders (I-VT) and Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) have introduced a bill that would tax companies like Amazon and Walmart for the cost of employees’ food stamps and other public assistance. Sanders’ Stop Bad Employers by Zeroing Out Subsidies Act (abbreviated “Stop BEZOS”) — along with Khanna’s House of Representatives counterpart, the Corporate Responsibility and Taxpayer Protection Act — would institute a 100 percent tax on government benefits that are granted to workers at large companies."
So then businesses won't hire poor people and will become unprofitable if they don't.
Sanders is the biggest fucking idiot in the world when it comes to anything involving fiscal responsibility.
Id rather than abolish the welfare state in the first place.
Right now Walmart is able to charge artificially low prices because it's able to pay artificially low wages. It turns a profit doing this only because it's tax subsidized. I would rather companies actually provide goods and services at the price they actually cost, rather than supporting the business most able to capture regulations. A law like this would mean that everyone in the work force would actually be supporting themselves, as opposed to some weird mixture of wealth redistribution and slave labor for corporations who can underpay.
I agree with the sentiment, no way should tax payers be subsidising private business because they pay too little wages. The top tech billionaires are stupidly wealthy and can afford higher wages.
"Stupidly wealthy" is always a fallacious accusation because most wealth for business owners is reinvested in the economy, not hoarded.
That's why rich people get richer.
If they hoarded their money they wouldn't get richer.
Im not saying its not, I am for a free market, but government programs are interfering in the free market of labour
by subsidising underproductive people
You also are not entitled to high wages. You're entitled to wages that reflect your human capital. A boxboy isn't entitled to a high wage.
Cashiers should be making minimum wage.
There should be no minimum wage at all
No cashiers should make whatever it costs to hire a cashier, not the difference between welfare and what it takes to hire a cashier
You get whatever someone is willing to pay, and you are willing to accept.
Win/Win
Rather than a government like New York paying to subsidize poor people to live in the city and work as Baristas in Manhattan, the businesses in the city should be subject to market forces that require them to pay higher wages or lose their baristas.
im with odin, god of economics on this one
Irma is right for once
Now... the issue of the safety net. Because where are legitimate areas of government power to be applied?
You've yet to prove me wrong. So that's 100% accuracy.
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@Omniconsumerproducts It's hard to say what a good welfare policy is given the problems with central planning
But if we're going to be giving out "gibs" I'd rather it be uniform so that there's no incentive to being a piece of shit loafer
To naively put forward a suggestion, I'd say some uncomfortably low UBI which increases with years worked and which your employer 100% takes over if they hire you
Defence is legit, citizenship duties.
But if we're going to be giving out "gibs" I'd rather it be uniform so that there's no incentive to being a piece of shit loafer
Or just don't "help" people
UBI could be a good temporary solution from the mess of the current one.
Nope
I want none whatso ever, but if it means eliminating a huge branch of government waste, corruption and inefficiency in one fell swoop....
@Milk
If UBI is on net cheaper than the current welfare scheme AND it eliminates the ability for people to game the system then I support it
I dont see how its a worse solution that letting its rotton corpse lumber on.
I would rather the Federal government wasnt involved in welfare, but if they're going to do it either way, I'd prefer the best system of welfare
Yup
How about a solution where the goberment doesn't steal my money
Yea go on then, after you with how you get there.
Alright dude, let's say you're 4 years old and your parents take you to burger king
You can pick something on the menu, or you can go home hungry - there is no going to McDonalds
Or I can eat the food in my house
Yeah, you can say how we SHOULD have gone to McDonalds and I may agree with you
But since the rest of the country insists on going to Burger King, we have to choose something from this menu
You sound like you just read your first book on Austrian economics and want to leap into the promised land instantly. @Milk
No, when I work I earn money
When the goverment takes it I don't earn as much as I should
What do you mean when you work? You mean when you engage in actions which are only rational given the presence of a large defensive apparatus that maintains the system of property rights?
We have a potential plan, to reduce government spending on welfare by lets say... 50% to be conservative. Now, we all want a much higher reduction in the state spending so less of our own money is needed in taxes and we all get richer. BUT you are saying 100% or nothing and wont play the smart game, crying "Wahhh muh morals."
I don't know what you're talking about
I think you're assuming
Im definitely assuming alot for hyperbolic reasons yes. 😃
@Milk He's saying that if lowering taxes by 100% is good then lowering taxes by 50% should also be a desirable goal.
As a point on the destination to as close to 100% as possible
lets start at 50, then 60 and keep aiming for the magic 100
You are pissing on the idea because it only cuts government size in that sector by 50% and not 100%
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RT = Fake News
Get that shit out of here
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A likely story
Please do not ping for no reason.
just ping odin if you want to ping odin
That antifa thing, if you're wondering, was just a way to find some nice videos to like. Antifa's no platform tool backfired and allowed me to rediscover Walt Bismarck after forgetting his name for so long
He's making videos again, after like a year and a half of silence
Well that's good to hear.
what's a light-weapon
Which bot do you use for logging?
"Please do not ping for no reason."
You don't like pings?
You said you enjoyed the raid
I thought it was funny before they started pinging.
But it's easy enough to completely ignore a server for awhile because you know it's being raided.
If you get pinged randomly when you're not expecting it and you find out it was nothing then you're more inconvenienced.
Hopefully you understand the distinction now. <:E_:459545659574321152>
Lightning blowing up all around me.
That article was archived.
http://archive.today/PFSjV
Looks legit to me.
Israel directly, or were the weapons from Israel?
The IDF was giving them according to this article. Operation Good Neighbor
Foolish.
Should have bought Russian surplus and have that to them.
I understand people’s skepticism with this coming from the RT, because it’s Russian, but that article is real fam.
It does seem a bit clumsy, but Israel has a lot of people by the balls, so they will get away with it.
One of the groups is getting funding too. 5000 a month.
No, what I'm saying is it would have been better to have bought old Russian weapons and given that to the rebels.
Would have kept the ruse on longer.
Canada provides arms to them too via the War trade.
Yeah. I agree.
Not directly, but Canada sells to groups that sell to them.
And we do too by funding the White Helmets.
Israel claims its to keep Iran out of their territory. I think it’s more sinister than that. They want ISIS and other Sunni Muslim military groups to start attacking Iran in the chaos.
I think it's too keep the conflict going.
Canada recently have Iran 225M under the guise of Female Education.
Why’s Canada involved?
Because Trudeau is a puppet.
And not a very good one
Canada like to give a lot of "foreign aid" under the Liberals.
Literally have actual terrorists 10M because we violated his "Rights" which he should have forfeit when he actively chose to kill US troops.
A puppet to who?
Then we quietly gave over 34M to other people known to have extremist ties.
A puppet to his ministers, and they are all in the pockets of bigger fish.
It's really unfortunate, the Ministers tell him to tell the people one thing while they go off and do another.
This current government is inept.
Are you Canadian?
A careless tweet caused a migrant crisis, but there is no crisis according to the Somalian in charge of immigration.
And yes, I am from Canada.
I'm slowly losing my will to refer to myself as a national of this country.
The cities are retarded and can't keep trees alive, and the rural areas hate the cities because the cities don't care about anything aside from frivolous things that save face without fixing anything.
The capital relies on the taxes of the rest of the country to support it.
And then it squanders all that money by paint the municipal workers that sir in offices and do very little all day
DND is full of people who get paid way to much and only work 4 hours a day usually.
The Commons are more focused on Weed and whether we should try and force the pope with legislation that doesn't apply to him to come and apologize for residential schools.
Also the government just passed a bill to get over 2B dollars to pay for "Fees"
Where that 2B+ came from I'm not sure, but I hate this regime.
I can't believe we put up with this.
The guy literally asks for something and he gets it.
He bought 3 boats on tax payer dime for his private villa.
Sounds like your harbors are thirsty for tea
And yes, I am from Canada.
RIP
He ignores the conservation laws.
Using fruit trees to tie his slack lines.
What the fuck
Literally admitted to breaking the law then covered it up by outraging the country.
He killed all the pipeline deals we had in place with the USA because he gave 225M to Iran and the US hates us for it.
He also said on a trade deal with China that he was willing to fuck over the common people of Canada to make a deal.
"I'm not here to look out for Canada's best interests" is what he said.
But hey! He looks good on a post card so we'll just ignore it.
Canadians are stupid, and weak.
It's really unfortunate.
He said that? Like on tape?
Yes.
In a trade deal with China
Which hee then botched.
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