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2017-06-24 00:25:28 UTC

Still china is the best of vitue and functionality.

2017-06-24 00:25:32 UTC

It will be shit

2017-06-24 00:25:45 UTC

that is my point @Greg88

2017-06-24 00:26:03 UTC

and also you can have a non-shit ethnicity and still have a shit country (sweden)

2017-06-24 00:26:12 UTC

This is true

2017-06-24 00:26:18 UTC

it's not a guarentee by any stretch

2017-06-24 00:26:37 UTC

As a baseline you need racial homogenity

2017-06-24 00:26:47 UTC

From there you can still fuck it up

2017-06-24 00:27:15 UTC

We need something to last for 1000 years. All else has failed and led to our destruct.

2017-06-24 00:27:19 UTC

i suppose there are other systems that could work with a more diverse population

2017-06-24 00:27:28 UTC

just not libertarianism

2017-06-24 00:27:38 UTC

or direct democracy

2017-06-24 00:28:18 UTC

How about based on fascism, but fluid with the times.

2017-06-24 00:28:34 UTC

Well crap, these guys from that thread?

2017-06-24 00:29:00 UTC


2017-06-24 00:29:51 UTC

Fascism is historically the best system/worldview

2017-06-24 00:29:59 UTC

Why should a government always be the same type of govt? We should set in place a process of transition .

2017-06-24 00:30:05 UTC

I'm sure it would still work today

2017-06-24 00:30:23 UTC

i was asking what indianaisfull meant

2017-06-24 00:30:46 UTC

@Greg88 fascism should be the foundation.

2017-06-24 00:31:09 UTC

I'd have to respectfully disagree with y'all there

2017-06-24 00:31:34 UTC

Sprinkle it with monarchy, sometimes democracy, whatever is needed.

2017-06-24 00:32:03 UTC

how do you sprinkle fascism with monarchy and democracy

2017-06-24 00:32:09 UTC

You dont

2017-06-24 00:32:14 UTC

Except as tools

2017-06-24 00:32:26 UTC

I want feudalism

2017-06-24 00:32:26 UTC

Ultimately there's no place for either

2017-06-24 00:32:34 UTC

My idol is Charles Martel

2017-06-24 00:32:42 UTC

Then it would no longer be fascism

2017-06-24 00:32:44 UTC

Martel was the real kebab remover

2017-06-24 00:32:51 UTC

if you want god tier feudalism do anarcho capitalism and wait 20 minutes

2017-06-24 00:33:06 UTC

Monarchal feudalism

2017-06-24 00:33:11 UTC

o o h

2017-06-24 00:33:20 UTC

Divine right of kings

2017-06-24 00:33:21 UTC

My boss isn't appointed by God

2017-06-24 00:33:28 UTC

The kang is

2017-06-24 00:33:38 UTC


2017-06-24 00:33:43 UTC

kang of kangz

2017-06-24 00:34:30 UTC

@Guan Fascism is the foundation, which only wants the Ax to continue prostrate. It doesn't care what type of rope holds the sticks together.

2017-06-24 00:34:54 UTC

that's debatable, but its a free country, you be fascist if you want

2017-06-24 00:35:22 UTC

A man of one cannot be fascist.

2017-06-24 00:35:59 UTC

It is a group ideology

2017-06-24 00:36:09 UTC

that's a bit pedantic now isnt it

2017-06-24 00:36:15 UTC


2017-06-24 00:36:32 UTC

>giving an open platform that doesn't allow an open platform

2017-06-24 00:36:35 UTC


2017-06-24 00:37:12 UTC

ill rephrase: I don't *respecfully* disagree, but i am bound within the rules of this server and therefore am forced to do so

2017-06-24 00:37:33 UTC

You're free to disagree

2017-06-24 00:37:43 UTC

Just not be a retard about it

2017-06-24 00:37:43 UTC


2017-06-24 00:37:54 UTC

Doesn't stop people

2017-06-24 00:38:07 UTC

that's what im trying to do

2017-06-24 00:38:15 UTC


2017-06-24 00:38:28 UTC

Guan you can debate eachother all you want

2017-06-24 00:38:48 UTC

You aren't allowed however to post porn, or anything that is homosexual/promotes homosexuality

2017-06-24 00:39:08 UTC

oh ok

2017-06-24 00:39:22 UTC

i didnt know the extent of what we can do in this thread

2017-06-24 00:39:51 UTC

@Guanwhen did you post porn?

2017-06-24 00:39:52 UTC


2017-06-24 00:39:55 UTC


2017-06-24 00:40:03 UTC

forum? what do you call this

2017-06-24 00:40:05 UTC

This is discord my bigger nigger

2017-06-24 00:40:08 UTC

chat i guess

2017-06-24 00:40:20 UTC

Either a discord or a chat will do.

2017-06-24 00:40:36 UTC

>you will never be able to drive the ottomans from Vienna as a winged hussar

2017-06-24 00:40:58 UTC

>when your beats are so sick everyone dies of the black plague and you're hung for witchcraft.

2017-06-24 00:41:41 UTC

I'm going to go watch cat videos. See ya.

2017-06-24 00:42:04 UTC

I really wish I was born during the 1300s

2017-06-24 00:42:18 UTC

Fuck democracy

2017-06-24 00:42:30 UTC

Indeed, peasantry is a lot better.

2017-06-24 00:42:30 UTC

swords > democracy

2017-06-24 00:42:41 UTC

Simpler life

2017-06-24 00:42:54 UTC

Short life too.

2017-06-24 00:43:15 UTC

Short life but you don't have to go through the bullshit of feminism

2017-06-24 00:43:20 UTC

And women didn't have power

2017-06-24 00:43:32 UTC

Other than a monarchal status

2017-06-24 00:44:45 UTC

>you will never singe the spanish kings beard with Sir Francis Drake

2017-06-24 00:44:55 UTC

20s are better

2017-06-24 00:45:03 UTC

What is done can be undone. The conservative spirit have become too weak, too defensive.

2017-06-24 00:45:19 UTC

People are too weak and defensive these days man

2017-06-24 00:45:25 UTC

So complacent.

2017-06-24 00:45:30 UTC

When the capitalism hits hard

2017-06-24 00:45:42 UTC

This is why we need feudalism

2017-06-24 00:45:51 UTC


2017-06-24 00:45:57 UTC

They're going to be rulers one way or another.

2017-06-24 00:46:03 UTC

Conscription would help a lot

2017-06-24 00:46:13 UTC

What do you mean (((feudalism)))?

2017-06-24 00:46:27 UTC

the one thing europoors got correct was conscription

2017-06-24 00:46:32 UTC


2017-06-24 00:46:38 UTC

So here's the thing, feudalism really only works in this age if there's no foreign influence.

2017-06-24 00:46:40 UTC

What disgusts me is how Republicans are being blamed for people dying without healthcare coverage when those people shouldn't have had half-assed healthcare coverage and should have died in the first place.

2017-06-24 00:46:53 UTC

I've had liberal friends go to Europe and come back advocating conscription

2017-06-24 00:46:53 UTC

republicans are gay

2017-06-24 00:46:55 UTC

It gets really easy for a country that subscribes to it to be influenced.

2017-06-24 00:46:57 UTC

the normie narrative is powerful

2017-06-24 00:47:29 UTC

After all, you only need but replace parts of the monarchy/ruling class.

2017-06-24 00:47:53 UTC

I'm kind of in favor of having to work for the rights of a citizen through civil service, not simply being born with them

2017-06-24 00:48:10 UTC

Even though that is corruptible

2017-06-24 00:48:16 UTC

Monarchy literally eminates tradition throughout the country

2017-06-24 00:48:27 UTC

It is a beacon for family values and traditions

2017-06-24 00:48:44 UTC

Unless its the English Crown

2017-06-24 00:48:44 UTC

Yes it can be corrupt, but corrupt monarchies never live long

2017-06-24 00:49:16 UTC

I like the idea of one not being a citizen until they do a sweden-style 1 year service

2017-06-24 00:49:28 UTC

at age 18 for natural-born citizens

2017-06-24 00:49:44 UTC

I like the idea that nobody is a citizen unless you go through military service

2017-06-24 00:49:59 UTC

Kind of like how it is in the book "Starship Troopers"

2017-06-24 00:50:05 UTC

because then being a citizen actually matters

2017-06-24 00:50:17 UTC

yeah like that, even though it's a satire

2017-06-24 00:50:26 UTC

The book isn't satire

2017-06-24 00:50:30 UTC

The movie is

2017-06-24 00:50:33 UTC

Read the book

2017-06-24 00:50:34 UTC

yeah except Starship Troopers was a satire of it

2017-06-24 00:50:37 UTC


2017-06-24 00:50:41 UTC

No it wasn;t you cocks

2017-06-24 00:50:44 UTC

i thought they were both critiques, just on different things

2017-06-24 00:50:51 UTC

Robert Heinlein believed in those values

2017-06-24 00:50:54 UTC

The original was written by a literal fascist

2017-06-24 00:51:02 UTC

the movie was a satire

2017-06-24 00:51:03 UTC

ahh i see

2017-06-24 00:51:26 UTC

the movie is still damn good imo, when you're aware of the critique it's hilarious in a weird way

2017-06-24 00:51:28 UTC

It's kinda like a Space Age Sparta

2017-06-24 00:52:02 UTC

or the Germanic Legions the Romans used

2017-06-24 00:52:09 UTC

whatever their fucking name was

2017-06-24 00:52:24 UTC

Only citizens can vote, and since all citizens went through military service, the government is always hardline fascism/conservatism

2017-06-24 00:52:55 UTC

still technically democracy ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

2017-06-24 00:53:04 UTC

just like the DPRK

2017-06-24 00:53:06 UTC


2017-06-24 00:53:11 UTC

what could go wrong

2017-06-24 00:53:25 UTC

It's not really a democracy

2017-06-24 00:53:32 UTC

that's p much why democracy isnt inherently virtuous

2017-06-24 00:53:33 UTC

More, semi-democracy

2017-06-24 00:53:35 UTC

North Korea has elections

2017-06-24 00:53:45 UTC

but Kim is the only candidate

2017-06-24 00:53:46 UTC

Because whoever the leader they vote in always has absolute power

2017-06-24 00:54:02 UTC

Kim always gets 100% of the vote

2017-06-24 00:54:03 UTC

isnt that still democracy by definition

2017-06-24 00:54:06 UTC

He is so popular

2017-06-24 00:54:07 UTC

North Korea would have worked if they weren't dumb commies

2017-06-24 00:54:10 UTC

if it isnt rigged of course

2017-06-24 00:54:23 UTC

No, presidents and prime ministers today do not have absolute power

2017-06-24 00:54:25 UTC

North Korea wouldn't have existed without COmmies

2017-06-24 00:54:46 UTC

I do like North Korea's "Juche" though

2017-06-24 00:54:46 UTC

>North Korea
pick one, really.

2017-06-24 00:54:48 UTC

yeah but couldnt you have a direct democracy with a dictator that must be voted on

2017-06-24 00:55:12 UTC

Robert Heinlein was so fucking amazing

2017-06-24 00:55:41 UTC

Juche is like North Korea's national spirit and tradition

2017-06-24 00:55:59 UTC

it is why their work ethic is so strong yet living in a complete shithole

2017-06-24 00:56:23 UTC

"The politics of North Korea takes place within the framework of the official state philosophy, Juche, a concept created by Hwang Jang-yop and later attributed to Kim Il-sung. The Juche theory is the belief that through self-reliance and a strong independent state, true socialism can be achieved."

2017-06-24 00:56:56 UTC

Just replace socialism with <your_ideology>

2017-06-24 00:57:29 UTC

anarcha feminism

2017-06-24 00:57:32 UTC


2017-06-24 00:57:38 UTC

that is socialism dummy

2017-06-24 00:57:55 UTC


2017-06-24 00:57:55 UTC

how tf does any anarchist ideology exist

2017-06-24 00:57:59 UTC

its really just another flavor of social marxism

2017-06-24 00:58:22 UTC

youwalk up to someone and say "hey bro there is no laws now but its anarcho communism so help eachother out!!!1"

2017-06-24 00:58:24 UTC

they dont really work in practice, they're the absence of system

2017-06-24 00:58:34 UTC

And they spit in your face, shoot you and take your shoes

2017-06-24 00:58:41 UTC

"The WPK is the ruling party of North Korea. It has been in power since its creation in 1948. Two minor political parties also exist, but are legally bound to accept the ruling role of the WPK.[4][better source needed] They, with the WPK, comprise the popular front Democratic Front for the Reunification of the Fatherland (DFRF). Elections occur only in single-candidate races where the candidate is effectively selected beforehand by the WPK."

2017-06-24 00:58:44 UTC

Anarchy is anarchy, chaos. It doesn't work

2017-06-24 00:58:53 UTC

TIL there are 3 political parties in North Korea

2017-06-24 01:00:50 UTC

"Elections occur only in single-candidate races where the candidate is effectively selected beforehand by the WPK."

2017-06-24 01:00:59 UTC

he did it

2017-06-24 01:01:03 UTC

he broke democracy

2017-06-24 01:01:11 UTC


2017-06-24 01:01:19 UTC

still technically democratic

2017-06-24 01:01:22 UTC

the madman

2017-06-24 01:01:27 UTC

g e n i u s

2017-06-24 01:01:51 UTC

they found democracy that works tbhfam

2017-06-24 01:02:00 UTC

to be esoteric, how is having only 2 selected by their respective parties any better

2017-06-24 01:02:19 UTC

we are korea confirmed

2017-06-24 01:02:33 UTC

In communism, everyone is poor, in capitalism, there are many poor and many rich, in fascism everyone is rich, through spirit in their leader, people and nation

2017-06-24 01:02:52 UTC

Well it depends on the Fascism

2017-06-24 01:02:56 UTC

imo if it's socialism it's socialism

2017-06-24 01:02:59 UTC

Italian Fascism...

2017-06-24 01:03:02 UTC


2017-06-24 01:03:08 UTC

National Socialism actually worked

2017-06-24 01:03:16 UTC

"at least the trains run on time"

2017-06-24 01:03:21 UTC

Probably the best system we have ever had

2017-06-24 01:03:28 UTC

it's really hard to tell, considering that little war that they dealt with

2017-06-24 01:03:44 UTC

Happiness levels in people were so high, how did Hitler do it, I will not know

2017-06-24 01:03:47 UTC

Nazi Germany relied on conquest though

2017-06-24 01:03:55 UTC

Will we ever have another Hitler like figure? I hope

2017-06-24 01:04:01 UTC

its economy was not sustainable without war

2017-06-24 01:04:03 UTC

They were successful prior to any conquest

2017-06-24 01:04:11 UTC

Nazi Germany through 33-39 was absolutely amazing

2017-06-24 01:04:12 UTC

doesnt jingoism also lead to a rome situation eventually

2017-06-24 01:04:21 UTC

Berlin was no longer the hooker capital of europe

2017-06-24 01:04:35 UTC

Corporatism was still a far better system than capitalism

2017-06-24 01:04:43 UTC


2017-06-24 01:04:44 UTC

how so

2017-06-24 01:04:47 UTC

Is non fascist states where it was implemented

2017-06-24 01:05:02 UTC

Similar/better rates of growth

2017-06-24 01:05:19 UTC

Without being concentrated in the hands of private corporations

2017-06-24 01:05:43 UTC

And without the moral degeneracy that accompanies capitalism

2017-06-24 01:06:04 UTC

Francoist Spain is a good example

2017-06-24 01:06:15 UTC

*moral degeneracy that accompanies liberalism

2017-06-24 01:06:17 UTC

the problem with that though, is that the real problems don't kick in untill far later down the road (if we're talking about the socialist form of it)

2017-06-24 01:06:24 UTC

Same thing

2017-06-24 01:06:43 UTC

Protestant Capitalism was not degenerate by any means

2017-06-24 01:06:50 UTC

You really think suppressing fags and stopping immigration is good for business

2017-06-24 01:07:04 UTC

In the short term it's very profitable

2017-06-24 01:07:04 UTC

no, and that's why i am not a fan of corporatism

2017-06-24 01:07:12 UTC

It isn't but if they don't exist in a society do they affect the business?

2017-06-24 01:07:23 UTC

they always exist though

2017-06-24 01:07:31 UTC

Immigrants don't

2017-06-24 01:07:38 UTC

yeah but potential ones do

2017-06-24 01:07:44 UTC

And a capitalistic system will always degenerate into that

2017-06-24 01:07:54 UTC

and corporations would be in favor of immigration to gt cheap labor

2017-06-24 01:08:05 UTC

not in the future

2017-06-24 01:08:11 UTC


2017-06-24 01:08:13 UTC

Eventually someone will sink to a new low to raise the bottom line

2017-06-24 01:08:53 UTC

why not have an isolationalist policy that cant be democratically removed, and instate capitalism internally

2017-06-24 01:09:07 UTC

That would be better

2017-06-24 01:09:19 UTC

But still imperfect

2017-06-24 01:09:22 UTC

I think Capitalism can be good, but I viciously oppose monopoly capitalism where small businesses cannot compete

2017-06-24 01:09:34 UTC

nothing is perfect

2017-06-24 01:09:41 UTC

you can only approach perfection

2017-06-24 01:09:59 UTC

has a true monopoly ever existed

2017-06-24 01:10:02 UTC

yeah that's the thing about strict libertarians is what happens when monopolies arise?

2017-06-24 01:10:06 UTC

lmao yes

2017-06-24 01:10:06 UTC

I might get flack for this, but I think dirigisme in France is a decent model to draw from

2017-06-24 01:10:08 UTC


2017-06-24 01:10:20 UTC

what is google

2017-06-24 01:10:23 UTC

what is amazon

2017-06-24 01:10:33 UTC

what is walmart

2017-06-24 01:10:37 UTC

what is mcdonalds

2017-06-24 01:10:38 UTC

bing, safari, internet explorer compete

2017-06-24 01:10:38 UTC

They aren't technically monopolies

2017-06-24 01:10:47 UTC

they aren't true monopoly

2017-06-24 01:10:49 UTC

because competition still exists

2017-06-24 01:10:51 UTC

Oligopolies are similar

2017-06-24 01:10:55 UTC

what he said

2017-06-24 01:11:05 UTC

competition between 6 companies?

2017-06-24 01:11:10 UTC

Especially with the amount of collaboration between companies that happens

2017-06-24 01:11:13 UTC

It should be competition between thousands

2017-06-24 01:11:20 UTC

what;s the difference

2017-06-24 01:11:24 UTC

between 6 and 1000

2017-06-24 01:11:32 UTC

if the 6 are superior to the 994

2017-06-24 01:11:51 UTC

But if you have thousands of companies it ultimately becomes 6 over time

2017-06-24 01:12:18 UTC

and then a new untapped market is created

2017-06-24 01:12:26 UTC

and thousands of companies are created

2017-06-24 01:12:29 UTC

It makes it so the small businesses are outclassed

2017-06-24 01:12:31 UTC

and they become few as well

2017-06-24 01:12:50 UTC

It's immoral for that to happen, when people's own companies can't compete

2017-06-24 01:12:54 UTC

National free market with protectionist trade policies and restrictions on monopolies.

2017-06-24 01:12:55 UTC

why would anyone want a small business search engine, it would be terrible though

2017-06-24 01:12:58 UTC

That's the way to do it.

2017-06-24 01:13:19 UTC

Protectionism is a terrible trade policy though

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