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2018-03-08 00:13:33 UTC

B A S E D

2018-03-08 00:13:43 UTC

Not what I'm getting at

2018-03-08 00:14:03 UTC

when NM gets a Republican Senator, then we'll see where this is going

2018-03-08 00:14:08 UTC

NM will stay blue, definitely.

2018-03-08 00:14:41 UTC

@Den had a theory that the rural hispanics voted R, wasn't sure of that

2018-03-08 00:15:40 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399676530394923010/421098644977090560/LambPriorities2cropped.png

2018-03-08 00:15:47 UTC

New pic

2018-03-08 00:16:02 UTC

Might go a little too far

2018-03-08 00:16:03 UTC

Works well

2018-03-08 00:16:11 UTC

Well, is it accurate?

2018-03-08 00:17:01 UTC

Anyways, this little town in NM is a microcosm of that theory. An example. Maybe there's a better chance of turning the tides over there than we think.

2018-03-08 00:17:10 UTC

you know why Lamb is trending?

2018-03-08 00:17:12 UTC

Simple

2018-03-08 00:17:19 UTC

it's an old Democrat trick

2018-03-08 00:17:27 UTC

"Republicans will cut your social security"

2018-03-08 00:17:33 UTC

oldest trick in the book

2018-03-08 00:17:35 UTC

^

2018-03-08 00:17:39 UTC

works like magic

2018-03-08 00:17:42 UTC

and because it's true

2018-03-08 00:18:19 UTC

Republicans keep using the same old talking points

2018-03-08 00:18:23 UTC

"STRONG MILITARY"

2018-03-08 00:18:29 UTC

"LOWER TAXES"

2018-03-08 00:18:35 UTC

"FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY"

2018-03-08 00:18:39 UTC

It's seriously bent against him obviously; he opposes funding for cracking down on illegals but isn't against it per se; he supports a $1.1 trillion infra program funded by tax hikes; he claims that Republicans will cut SS/Medicare/Medicaid; he wants a student loan debt amnesty and he wants to implement a graduate tax to pay for free college for all; he wants mandatory union membership to be implemented; he wants to tax coal businesses to extinction and jack up petrol and NG taxes.

2018-03-08 00:18:57 UTC

You're right, they've got to appeal to the constituency more

2018-03-08 00:19:10 UTC

How to win Republican votes as a Republican:

2018-03-08 00:19:21 UTC

The dems know demographic manipulation.

2018-03-08 00:19:42 UTC

He opposes the Hyde Amendment which I estimate which more than double federal abortion funding from its current lows to over a billion dollars, and he hasn't endorsed Trump's plan to treat vets with PTSD for free.

2018-03-08 00:19:47 UTC

"BUILD THE WALL"
"DEPORT ILLEGALS"
"END NAFTA"

2018-03-08 00:20:19 UTC

And he supports mandatory contraceptive coverage, but only federal subsidies for abortion-covering insurance (openly)

2018-03-08 00:20:26 UTC

But Republicans won't say these things, because, well, their Business Conservative base wouldn't like that

2018-03-08 00:20:37 UTC

It's kinda obvious he'd vote for expanding it to abortion though.

2018-03-08 00:20:48 UTC

If Trump wants this seat, hopefully he'll focus very hard on the economic nationalism and immigration hardlining.

2018-03-08 00:21:03 UTC

Can we all agree on something

2018-03-08 00:21:04 UTC

Be sure to make sure my pics get around btw

2018-03-08 00:21:12 UTC

What is it?

2018-03-08 00:21:12 UTC

if Republicans lose this seat,

2018-03-08 00:21:15 UTC

their fault

2018-03-08 00:21:22 UTC

100% of them

2018-03-08 00:21:23 UTC

Yeah

2018-03-08 00:21:26 UTC

yes, I'll agree to that

2018-03-08 00:21:38 UTC

It was their fault in 'bama too

2018-03-08 00:21:39 UTC

no voter fraud,

2018-03-08 00:21:42 UTC

no illegal votes,

2018-03-08 00:21:51 UTC

Maybe in VA also

2018-03-08 00:21:56 UTC

100% Republican complicity

2018-03-08 00:22:19 UTC

Take all the screenshots you want. If Saccone loses, it's on him and it's on the GOP.

2018-03-08 00:22:41 UTC

If Saccone wins,

2018-03-08 00:22:53 UTC

it'd be because Trump saved him in the last minute

2018-03-08 00:23:00 UTC

with tariffs

2018-03-08 00:23:17 UTC

That's definitely possible, depends on margins

2018-03-08 00:23:36 UTC

One thing I hope is Trump better deliver some inspirational shit on saturday.

2018-03-08 00:23:44 UTC

Hopefully he hasn't gotten rusty on us

2018-03-08 00:23:52 UTC

Fucking Gary Cohn

2018-03-08 00:24:17 UTC

well,

2018-03-08 00:24:18 UTC

Fucking RNC, Fox

2018-03-08 00:24:32 UTC

Pittsburgh is adding 500 new steel jobs

2018-03-08 00:24:39 UTC

that's a strong talking point

2018-03-08 00:24:58 UTC

Yep, definitely should keep it within state interest

2018-03-08 00:25:13 UTC

that's like 500 votes,

2018-03-08 00:25:30 UTC

plus their family members

2018-03-08 00:25:49 UTC

If Trump sees a win and compares this to 'bama and VA, he'll know full well that Twitter is not what cuts it, but LIVE APPEARANCES

2018-03-08 01:14:09 UTC

Aren't those jobs in Ohio, even though the company is based in Pittsburgh?

2018-03-08 01:29:52 UTC

@๐ŸŽƒBoo-ton๐ŸŽƒ not only that, it's more potential voters who actually see jobs being brought back to their area

2018-03-08 02:41:10 UTC

VA-10 is one of the more likely to flip, we'll need to work hard for this one

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399676530394923010/421135262584799232/vaswing.png

2018-03-08 03:30:14 UTC
2018-03-08 11:23:57 UTC

There is a massive amount of jobs in coal and natural gas. Even though a ton of people aren't employed directly in these industries the amount of people who work in supporting companies is unreal.

2018-03-08 11:24:08 UTC

In Pa district 18

2018-03-08 13:53:31 UTC

!!!!!!!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399676530394923010/421304464063070208/1520514900551.png

2018-03-08 16:04:20 UTC

**5** Senate Democrats would lose election if held today (!!!)

2018-03-08 16:13:52 UTC

lmao

2018-03-08 16:14:10 UTC

Trump approval doesn't mean much though

2018-03-08 16:14:12 UTC

come the fuck on

2018-03-08 16:14:27 UTC

I welcome favorable news but I don't really consider that to be the case

2018-03-08 16:14:33 UTC

again, numbers aren't everything

2018-03-08 16:14:43 UTC

someone could approve of Trump but vote for a Democrat

2018-03-08 16:14:53 UTC

someone could disapprove of Trump but vote for a Republican

2018-03-08 16:15:02 UTC

hell...someone could disapprove of Trump but still vote for him

2018-03-08 16:15:23 UTC

he's going to lose

2018-03-08 16:19:45 UTC

Oof

2018-03-08 16:24:20 UTC

@๐ŸŽƒBoo-ton๐ŸŽƒ lol, you don't know that. Maybe he's gonna win

2018-03-08 16:25:18 UTC

stop loling

2018-03-08 16:25:25 UTC

this isn't fun and games

2018-03-08 16:25:53 UTC

you think just because Trump won the election by pulling a rabbit out of the hat,

2018-03-08 16:26:04 UTC

that Republicans can do the same?

2018-03-08 16:26:31 UTC

@Deleted User was this your attitude on November 7th?

2018-03-08 16:26:47 UTC

@๐ŸŽƒBoo-ton๐ŸŽƒ I was pretty sure Trump would win lmao

2018-03-08 16:26:55 UTC

"you think just because Trump won the election by pulling a rabbit out of the hat,"

2018-03-08 16:26:58 UTC

that didn't happen lol

2018-03-08 16:27:08 UTC

he won through hard work and unprecedented cunning

2018-03-08 18:46:17 UTC

Indeed. Hillary didn't stand a chance and Trump effectively reached a 100% possibility of victory by March--though, of course, if he let that get to him he'd have lost.

2018-03-08 18:49:06 UTC

@Nuke Sarcasm? Hillary did stand a chance. Things were rigged in her favor. Her campaign strategy just sucked dick.

2018-03-08 19:17:19 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399676530394923010/421385949038247936/fdsafaw3.PNG

2018-03-08 19:46:12 UTC

No, she didn't. Even though the election was rigged with fake votes and shit, she didn't stand a chance against Trump's overwhelming popularity.

2018-03-08 19:59:10 UTC

*Trump's regional overwhelming popularity

2018-03-08 20:01:24 UTC

>implying he also isn't popular in states like California in New York but drowned out by voter fraud

2018-03-08 20:02:42 UTC

If Trump is popular in NY, wear a MAGA hat on the subway

2018-03-08 20:05:04 UTC

@๐ŸŽƒBoo-ton๐ŸŽƒ I did, nothing happens lmao

2018-03-08 20:05:17 UTC

You get some high fives from fellow Drumpf fans though

2018-03-08 20:10:47 UTC

@๐ŸŽƒBoo-ton๐ŸŽƒ there is no way Brown is that popular

2018-03-08 20:10:50 UTC

Itโ€™s fake

2018-03-08 20:24:25 UTC

@Rhodesiaboo yeah, that poll is BS

2018-03-08 20:24:32 UTC

and even if it isn't, approval ratings don't tell you everything

2018-03-08 20:24:39 UTC

again, numbers aren't that important

2018-03-08 20:26:00 UTC

"numbers aren't important" wtf

2018-03-08 20:26:36 UTC

How are we supposed to measure our support without numbers?

2018-03-08 20:42:33 UTC

politics is more qualitative than quantitative. Rather then sampling 500 people in a screwy manner, it's best to actually familarize yourself with all the different opinions and why people have those opinions

2018-03-08 20:43:18 UTC

yeah

2018-03-08 20:43:43 UTC

for instance, let's say you have a poll where Trump's approval is at 40%

2018-03-08 20:43:44 UTC

democracy isn't about appealing to the majority, it's about getting convincing the majority why you're right

2018-03-08 20:43:52 UTC

that doesn't mean he's only going to get 40% of the vote

2018-03-08 20:44:03 UTC

numbers don't tell you the whole story

2018-03-08 20:44:14 UTC

there could be people who approve of Trump but decide to vote 3rd party

2018-03-08 20:44:29 UTC

there could be people who disapprove of Trump but vote for him because they prefer him to the Democrat

2018-03-08 21:11:28 UTC

But the problem with that is you can't prove that

2018-03-08 21:11:37 UTC

That's speculation

2018-03-08 21:12:56 UTC

It requires you to convince yourself things are fine,

2018-03-08 21:13:24 UTC

even when there is a greater chance that it is not

2018-03-08 23:15:20 UTC

YES

2018-03-08 23:15:26 UTC

We have Musky on our side

2018-03-09 01:48:44 UTC

Where is that 2018 senate race graphic from @๐ŸŽƒBoo-ton๐ŸŽƒ

2018-03-09 01:49:13 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399676530394923010/421484574934040586/2018_senate_democrats.jpg

2018-03-09 01:49:42 UTC

Axios

2018-03-09 01:55:59 UTC

damn, I wish it would list all the seats that are up

2018-03-09 02:01:20 UTC

to get a fuller picture

2018-03-09 05:23:57 UTC

>Not taking Ohio

2018-03-09 05:24:00 UTC

What the fuck is going on

2018-03-09 05:24:21 UTC

I'm more hopeful for that PA-18 race also.

2018-03-09 05:24:37 UTC

enlighten me, fellow Californian

2018-03-09 05:24:40 UTC

Trump's going there on Saturday, and the tariffs are just what they need.

2018-03-09 05:24:46 UTC

that is true

2018-03-09 05:24:46 UTC

Rust belt blue collar workers

2018-03-09 05:24:53 UTC

i just hope it will be enough

2018-03-09 05:24:54 UTC

Care less about issues like abortion and shit

2018-03-09 05:24:57 UTC

Yeah

2018-03-09 05:25:19 UTC

I hope so too, Trump going to have to drag another Republican across the finish line like he did in Georgia

2018-03-09 05:25:20 UTC

I don't understand why the RNC recruited Saccone

2018-03-09 05:25:35 UTC

I don't understand the RNC sometimes period.

2018-03-09 05:25:38 UTC

they could've got a guy with a MAGA hat from down the street to campaign better than this deadbeat

2018-03-09 05:25:38 UTC

xD

2018-03-09 05:25:46 UTC

Lol seriously...

2018-03-09 05:26:05 UTC

I think there's a huge disconnect between political Republicans, and like actual everyday republicans.

2018-03-09 05:26:20 UTC

I find that they're trying to play the left's game, with appealing to emotions and stuff, but with right wing values.

2018-03-09 05:26:23 UTC

And it doesn't work

2018-03-09 05:27:25 UTC

Center and Center right people care much less about issues like abortion, or sacred marriage, than they do about the economy, crime, and immigration.

2018-03-09 05:27:50 UTC

It seems to me when Republican candidates stick to those categories more, and compromise a bit on the formers, they do better.

2018-03-09 05:27:59 UTC

Would be my idea.

2018-03-09 05:28:44 UTC

Immigration is _the_ single issue that won Trump the nomination

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399676530394923010/421539820007849984/voters.png

2018-03-09 05:29:18 UTC

Yeah, I could understand that

2018-03-09 05:29:21 UTC

If Republican candidates campaigned on Trump's immigration restriction platform,

2018-03-09 05:29:33 UTC

the GOP could actually win elections

2018-03-09 05:29:48 UTC

I honestly think you're right, but I think Republicans are just too scared

2018-03-09 05:29:56 UTC

but instead they run on tax cuts and military spending

2018-03-09 05:30:15 UTC

Republicans are too milquetoast

2018-03-09 05:30:32 UTC

Trump needs to teach Republicans to fight back against the media

2018-03-09 05:30:53 UTC

See that's the thing I've noticed too!

2018-03-09 05:31:01 UTC

the sole reason the GOP and the right lose the culture war is because they don't fight back

2018-03-09 05:31:06 UTC

I truly feelt he age of gentlemen poltics is over/

2018-03-09 05:31:10 UTC

But the GOP continues to act like it is.

2018-03-09 05:31:29 UTC

The Democrats do anything to get elected, they'll lie, smear, and cheat.

2018-03-09 05:31:33 UTC

You know it here in CA

2018-03-09 05:31:37 UTC

They did that gas tax hike

2018-03-09 05:31:51 UTC

And then wrote a law that you couldn't recall Senators

2018-03-09 05:32:00 UTC

And used their supermajority to pass it

2018-03-09 05:32:21 UTC

Republicans just get kicked around, it's so irritating to me.

2018-03-09 05:32:35 UTC

Republicans let themselves get pushed around because,

2018-03-09 05:32:42 UTC

'muh principles'

2018-03-09 05:32:47 UTC

'muh values'

2018-03-09 05:32:50 UTC

Exactly

2018-03-09 05:32:58 UTC

this man speaks my language lol

2018-03-09 05:32:59 UTC

'we're better than them'

2018-03-09 05:33:02 UTC

give me a break

2018-03-09 05:33:05 UTC

LOL

2018-03-09 05:33:06 UTC

SO TRUE

2018-03-09 05:33:15 UTC

Like McConnell with not using the nuclear option

2018-03-09 05:33:18 UTC

You and both know

2018-03-09 05:33:28 UTC

The day Democrats regain control of the Senate that's going to be the first thing to go.

2018-03-09 05:33:40 UTC

"lower the filibuster to simple majority"

2018-03-09 05:33:43 UTC

Oh, Zakatack, I've looked into Ohio.

2018-03-09 05:33:49 UTC

yeah?

2018-03-09 05:34:17 UTC

Sherrod Brown basically made me realize why my mom uses words like "crazy" and "extreme" to describe some Democrats as if they aren't redundant.

2018-03-09 05:34:40 UTC

He's too generic and unexceptional, to such an extent everything bad about him is easily excused as "eh, he's a Democrat"

2018-03-09 05:34:56 UTC

Fuck!

2018-03-09 05:35:03 UTC

That would've been such an easy seat...

2018-03-09 05:35:19 UTC

Except we run look warm spineless candidates

2018-03-09 05:35:47 UTC

But if he's so bad Nuke

2018-03-09 05:35:50 UTC

Why is he ahead

2018-03-09 05:35:52 UTC

in the polls?

2018-03-09 05:36:11 UTC

I just described why he's able to win.

2018-03-09 05:36:26 UTC

Cause he's generic?

2018-03-09 05:36:31 UTC

He voted against their Tax Cuts like wtf.

2018-03-09 05:37:25 UTC

Yeah he votes party line; he voted for Obamacare and shit, too, but once it reaches that point, it's like "sooo he's a Democrat?"

2018-03-09 05:37:48 UTC

No way to attack him personally but there's plenty of ways to persuade someone against voting for a Democrat, of course.

2018-03-09 05:38:17 UTC

ugghh

2018-03-09 05:38:38 UTC

I feel like these midterms are going to either go really well, or be a complete disaster.

2018-03-09 05:38:57 UTC

He also periodically seems to propose lukewarm conservative bills, knowing that they'll fail.

2018-03-09 05:39:29 UTC

Like for instance, bills that the House of Reps doesn't recognize can be proposed by a Senator, which cannot pass without House approval.

2018-03-09 05:41:14 UTC

We can hit him on stuff we can hit any (D) on

2018-03-09 05:42:02 UTC

but we can't hit him very well on anything retarded, like wanting to defund the war against ISIS and increasing funding abortion to $1B+, as Lamb and Baldwin have done.

2018-03-09 05:42:26 UTC

Ultimately, we've just gotta mash the immigration button, as Button Mash would propose.

2018-03-09 05:43:10 UTC

Our biggest areas we win on are immigration, economy, and crime,

2018-03-09 05:43:12 UTC

So yeah you're right.

2018-03-09 05:43:25 UTC

I could care less about abortion anymore

2018-03-09 05:43:42 UTC

What sets Brown apart is that he's pro-tariffs, which doesn't work in our favor either.

2018-03-09 05:43:42 UTC

Let them have on demand abortions, and let them have gay marriage lol

2018-03-09 05:43:52 UTC

Wait really>?

2018-03-09 05:44:06 UTC

Democrat

2018-03-09 05:44:08 UTC

Pro tariffs

2018-03-09 05:44:10 UTC

He's lying lol

2018-03-09 05:44:23 UTC

Yep, also even though he opposed the Iraq War, he also voted for anti-Iran stuff.

2018-03-09 05:44:40 UTC

Which means neocon boomer shit isn't in our favor either

2018-03-09 05:44:52 UTC

And yeah don't think I trust a Democrat for a second

2018-03-09 05:45:31 UTC

You can try to convince people that he's lying though.

2018-03-09 05:45:44 UTC

I just would go by his voting record

2018-03-09 05:46:05 UTC

Manchin is getting screwed now because he promised to vote to get rid of Obamacare, and then adopted a Lamb-esque "I'll fix Obamacare."

2018-03-09 05:46:29 UTC

Manchin was screwed the first time he voted against Trump IMO

2018-03-09 05:46:31 UTC

His entire state

2018-03-09 05:46:34 UTC

Not a single county went blue

2018-03-09 05:46:38 UTC

Not one county

2018-03-09 05:46:46 UTC

Even the urban centers went for Trump

2018-03-09 05:47:01 UTC

And then when he went against the Tax Cuts

2018-03-09 05:47:14 UTC

Pretty much done

2018-03-09 05:47:30 UTC

I'm liking those Michigan numbers though man

2018-03-09 05:47:35 UTC

Not even a named candidate

2018-03-09 05:47:42 UTC

And already pretty high for such a blue state

2018-03-09 05:48:07 UTC

This is what I'm talking about is just going back to straight free markets and some protectionist policies

2018-03-09 05:48:27 UTC

I would like to see PA get flipped too... that Senator is a total cunt.

2018-03-09 05:48:37 UTC

Watch him on the floor and I wanted to hurl lol

2018-03-09 05:49:02 UTC

Manchin basically should've become a moderate Republican to win reelection, especially after the last WV Governor thought the state's conservatives would be OK with him vetoing a partial ban on abortion (maximum allowed ban SCOTUS has approved) due to "unconstitutionality" as long as he supported coal interests.

2018-03-09 05:49:13 UTC

West Virginia now has a Republican Governor.

2018-03-09 05:51:06 UTC

LOL

2018-03-09 05:51:29 UTC

man I havnen't even been looking at the governor races either.

2018-03-09 05:51:37 UTC

Ugh

2018-03-09 05:51:42 UTC

I don't need more worry lol...

2018-03-09 05:51:53 UTC

He literally just endorsed Gorsuch and thought his voters would be happy lol

2018-03-09 05:51:58 UTC

xD

2018-03-09 05:52:11 UTC

That is one thing about the majority republicans

2018-03-09 05:52:20 UTC

They're pretty quiet, they don't protest or make noise.

2018-03-09 05:52:30 UTC

But they will show up at the polls when they're unhappy.

2018-03-09 05:52:39 UTC

t. Obama 2010

2018-03-09 05:52:44 UTC

HAH

2018-03-09 05:52:46 UTC

67 seats swing

2018-03-09 05:52:58 UTC

Wasn't that like the 2nd biggest in history or something?

2018-03-09 05:53:05 UTC

But the Tea Party protests were still happening back then

2018-03-09 05:53:11 UTC

That is true.

2018-03-09 05:53:24 UTC

And something like that, biggest swing since WWII or similar

2018-03-09 05:53:33 UTC

Yeah

2018-03-09 05:53:39 UTC

Biggest swing since (((FDR)))

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