That's why we expected Trump to be a fighter

But the second he entered office, he became all friendly with these clowns!

He pretty much told Ryan and McConnell, "Have at it, buddy!"

"Do things your way!"

That's why healthcare failed

He trusted Ryan

That's why immigration reform will fail

Well, things haven't been perfect.

Because he's not taking the leadership position

There are two possibilities, FLanon

and you can pick one or the other

Either Trump is too scared to fight for his agenda

or Trump doesn't care enough to fight for his agenda

pick one

I don't exactly know what kind of pressure the man is under

Who's to say really what happens at that level, but we have to see what's going on. There's definitely things at play that we have to keep in mind. Let's just do what *we* can and lobby against stuff like the refugee act of 1980.

Like you said, we have a primary in a few days, we have to focus on what is currently at hand.

Trump shouldn't susceptible to pressure

He was the guy who had no ties to any of these special interest groups

Who has pressure over him?

Come on, you know these people play like a mafia.

The Koch Brothers are playing Trump like a fiddle

He's giving them everything they want

tax cuts,

more guest workers,

it's unbelievable, this man has been drained by the swamp

"Rokita and Braun are winning the primary."

@Nuke that doesn't make sense though, they're competing

they're the two leading

lol I knew it would only be a matter of time before you shat up this place today

i'm observing the obvious, slanty-eyed foreigner

Hi observing the obvious, slanty-eyed foreigner, I'm Dad!

Hey red storm, you want to know the swing for one of last night's races compared to the presidential margin?

also, none of the Republicans who resigned are 'rapists' you shareblue spouting cuck

@FLanon what

<:wojaktrump:422438927631384577>

A ***45 POINT REPUBLICAN SWING***

lel

outlier

that's what happens when you have a good candidate with a proper campaign, combined with other beneficial factors

I'm guessing

Hi guessing, I'm Dad!

I hate this fucking bot

>outlier

it still shows what CAN happen when candidates do what they're supposed to do, and have other things going for them

88R/12D this year
62R/31D for the presidential results 2016

anyway was that the Miami race ?

No, Tennessee

Because Trump wasn't there to alienate White Women

Yeah sure

lel

Trump probably gave Saccone a boost when it comes to white women

There was 2.5 swing in favor of Democrats in Florida

and all demographics

<:wojaktrump:422438927631384577>

Oh no, 2.5 points

SAY IT

WITH ME

<:blue:433020501397602305>

<:hogg:433066190852849674>

BLUE FLORIDA

HOGG'D

That margin would retain the House to at least 230 R seats, and an increase in Senate seats.

If we had a 2.5 point swing, we'd still have a really good result.

Relative to what Trump got, they were all R swings.

Also

Even if Trump doesn't get cucked by Kim

(like he did by Democrats)

and manages to pull off denuclearization,

I don't think it'll boost his numbers

Assassinating Bin Laden didn't significally alter Obama's numbers

lol it boosted his approval

I can't remember the exact number

White Americans simply did not like Obama

you remember when you told me about Osama Bin Laden?

but his approval did go up

I looked up the approval

Nope

Immediately after Osama died (May 2, 2011)

I remember reading headlines about his approval spiking after bin Laden died

What about the average?

Obama got a net positive approval immediately afterwards

also, he easily trounced Romney the following year

All that matters is the averages, and Obama's average polling did not change

Obama only won re-election because his Black Horde showed up

it remained consistently positive for over a month

although he still would have easily won with our without bin Laden dying

Yep

by the way, fun thought experiment

If you were transported to January 2011, and were mind controlling Mitt Romney, what would you have him do to beat Obama

<@&432627153805377536> <@&399683356218097667>

I would've fought back much harder

I talked about this before

Fight back against Biden's slavery remark

and claim Democrats want to demographically replace White Americans

As a response to what Biden said about blacks, I would say "Obama wants whites to be slaughtered in the streets"

But of course Romney didn't fight back because,

well,

muh principles

https://www.quora.com/How-could-Mitt-Romney-have-beaten-Barack-Obama-in-2012

"The 2012 election was extremely close. 375,000 votes flipped in the proper proportions in four states would have tipped the election. That’s .17% of the electorate.

There were several “moments” and tactics in the 2012 election that better message and campaign management would probably have been enough to turn those votes. Here’s a short list off the top of my head.

Better clarification on the “47%” remark. Romney never seemed to explain this statement, which is factually correct but politically awkward, very well.
Harder pushback on the Crowley error in the debate, where she attemped to factcheck him (and was wrong in the process).
Serious outreach to the Christian voters in the GOP. Mainstream Christians consider Mormonism a cult, and many stayed home because of this issue. Romney could have acted to negate this objection more strongly.
Weak messaging on the ACA. Romney clearly felt like he could not attack Obama on the ACA because of Romneycare. Romney should have pushed hard using his knowledge of both plans to explain why it was foolish to try to scale those state-based ideas to the national level.
Harder messaging on his business experience. For all his experience, Romney did not hone his economic message very well. He should have refined it down to a few bullet points, stated what he expected the economic results to be, and went with it. Instead, his campaign left it a bit loose.

Anyway, those are the ones what come to mind."

what do you think of that answer

I kinda doubt that assertion that 2012 was 'extremely close'

It was close in the swing states

"375,000 flipped in the proper proportions in four states would have tipped the election"

FL, OH, NC, etc.

If Romney could've energized more White people,

he would've won

easily yes, 4% more

Obama's brainless negro bloc was lock-on by default

LMAO

Quora is really cucked

from that same link

Duh

this answer is dated November 4, 2016

"And while it’s not part of your question, in 2016, I personally expect Mr. Trump to get fewer than 60 million votes. I assume Sec. Clinton wants to get more than the 69.5 million votes than Mr. Obama got in 2008, and I will be watching to see if she gets > 70 million votes."

https://www.quora.com/What-are-Hillary-Clintons-chances-of-winning-in-the-2016-US-Presidential-Election

well that's just silly

November 7, 2017

"Yes.

The narrative this election cycle has operated on a false equivalency narrative. Clinton’s e-mails are somehow the same as Donald Trump’s history of sexual assault. The Clinton foundation is a slush fund in the same way as Donald Trump’s charitable organizations are slush funds. This is the last “real” election because it will likely be the last election where white people make up the majority of voters. It’s pure insanity.

Let’s talk about facts. The Clinton campaign relies on things like data and analytics to guide them while Donald Trump uses his Twitter feed. One’s a pro the other is a wannabe. The truth is that this would not be a close election were it not for the utterly ridiculous “re-investigation” of Clinton’s e-mail server. Clinton has had a healthy lead throughout this race. Take a look at the polling from 538:"

"But, seriously, I don’t know any pollster who thinks either Michigan, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Colorado or New Mexico are going to Trump. Those are going to be in the Democratic column. And in the same breath I don’t know anyone who thinks there’s a scenario where Hillary wins Georgia, Iowa, Arizona or Maine. To me, it seems unlikely that Hillary will win Ohio as well, but because Virginia and Nevada are likely to go her way that doesn’t matter. Here’s where the race actually is if you call the race as the polls tell you to call it."

good old nostalgia

"Trump’s only chance in this election was to turn some blue states red and if he wins Ohio, which he could, then he will have done more than I thought he could, but it still won’t be enough to win the election. Building a firewall is how you win elections. That’s what worked for Obama in ’08 and ’12 and it’s what will work yet again for Clinton in 2016. You can argue that the polls are wrong (which Trump supporters like to do) or simply shout: “the election is rigged.” Neither of these things changes the facts however, which is ironic because it is the facts that Mr. Trump has been so averse to acknowledging that have been the real story of this election. You couldn’t fact check a Trump stump speech because so little of what he said was actually true. This was, in many ways, the post-truth election."

"Now, these models are based on a conservative prediction of how the election could go. Clinton could have a much better night than anticipated by any of the forecasters and that would make sense since so many pollsters are playing it very close to the vest after repeatedly counting Mr. Trump out during the primary season. The reality is this however: Latinos are very motivated this election season and that is very good news for Hillary Clinton. What we’re seeing from early voting is that turnout is going to be strong among minorities and if that’s the case on Election Day we’ll be looking at a much different electoral map on Election Night; one where frankly we may not need to wait until 11pm EDT for the election to be called."

Yeah I'm just going to go to work on what we have ahead

Funny how these people counted on the hispanic vote when Trump ended up overperforming with them compared to both Romney and McCain

let me dump the rest in <#409511459844784138>

>If she does these 11 things, she definetly can.

CUCKED

As trump said

2012 was an election we should've won

But Romney didn't fight back."

@Nuke you're a pretty good analyst. What do you think Romney should have done to beat Obama

It's obvious

Win over White People by appealing to the anger and frustrations of Whites due to a changing cultural landscape

Like Trump did

@🎃Boo-ton🎃 that strategy won't work in 10 years

Based former Obama staffer

@FLanon

Nelson's 2012 performance compared to Scott's 2014 performance

Scott wasn't very popular in 2014.

The only real reason he has a chance of winning is because he handled Hurricane Irma (?) amazingly well.

That placed him as a popular figure.

in 2012, Nelson was helped by Obama being at the top of the ballot

hell, Nelson got 300,000 more votes than Obama

so pretty much all the people who voted for Obama, were willing to vote for him

which makes sense

who else wuld they vote for? The Green Party candidate ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Florida,_2012

there wasn't even a Green Party candidate

there were independents who got 126,000 and 82,000

anyway, 2006 was in the midst of the worst days of the Bush era, so Nelson had an easy environment

2012 was Obama's easy re-election vs Romney

2018 will be Nelson's hardest year since 2000

@🎃Boo-ton🎃 so what's your take on the fact immigration doesn't even reach the 50% of voters as very important

According to what Walter posted in Data

It's well up in the 40s, so there's that

and who's cares what the majority thinks, this is not mob rule

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Florida,_2012

@FLanon

do you even recognize the loser who lost against Nelson in 2012

"Connie Mack IV"

Unfortunately, democracy is in fact mob rule

What's the take on this Giulaini statement?

@🎃Boo-ton🎃 you're right it's not a democracy, it's a republic, which means you need a substantial more than a simple majority to implement your agenda

So how do you expect that to happen without even a simple majority?

Trump didn't use campaign funds to pay off the hooker he shlepped

therefore, no campaign finance violation

@zakattack04 strongman

unfortunately, that's not what we got

since Trump is, in fact,

a weakman

What are you talking about

The whole point of a republic is to protect against mob rule and "strongmen"

It allows the minority to still have a say even if they are a minority

So my point is, immigration reform isn't going to happen unless you get that number to 60%+

Doesn't matter

Lol

If Trump were to act as a strongman

and push, and threaten, and fight

like a strongman would

he'd have Congress in the palm of his hands

Yeah that worked before lol

Trump hasn't even tried

(Sarcasm)

It's because it doesn't work

You can't Strongman Congress to do what you want

If he were to actually threaten these idiots with being primaried

Nah

and then whip out his supporters into a violent frenzy

We're a minority BM

they'd have no choice

They wouldn't be primaried

4 out of 10 Americans support Trump

Of course they'd have a choice

That's terrible lol

They'll do what he tells them to

4 out of 10

That's enough

...

Not it's not we just got through how you need more than a majority

There are enough Drumpf supporting hillbillies concentrated in districts where Trump can threaten with a primary opponent

I can't remember a time where the president strongmaned Congress and got what he wanted

Wilson was the last guy to really do it

And the Senate Majority Leader didn't give an inch lol

Congress won't respond to Trump please

You think the establishment cares what he wants

How do you know

I don't, but presidents have been much more effective when they befriend Congess than attacked them

Trump hasn't lifted a finger to fight these schmucks

Oh please,

Why would he? We are already a totally fractured caucus, and more infighting is going to help Democrats even more

Trump has been kissing Ryan and McConnell's ass since he took office

Let's not pretend the Republicans are unified on anything

And they haven't done anything he wanted

Yeah, because they won't anyway

You think Ryan likes trump?

You think he's going to do what Trump strongman's him to do

That's why Trump needs to fight them

The guy isn't even running for reelection! HE HAS NOTHING TO LOSE

I figure he wants to get along with the GOP incumbents, because if he alienates them, it'll essentially be the equivalent of a supermajority against him

and that's not something he can necessarily afford at this stage

now, I think he should do what you're recommending him to do @🎃Boo-ton🎃

Thank you

Lol I disagree

He should pressure them

but as POTUS he might be aware of things we aren't

Look,

He shouldn't alienate them as BM suggests

I'm telling you, people

Hi telling you, people, I'm Dad!

I wonder how blackmail works at that level

Trump needs to go,
"If I going down, I'm taking you down with me in the process"

Yeah that's amateurish

Meaning if they don't pass his agenda, he'll sink their chances of being re-elected

What why!?

Why would you ever do that

What's the point of keeping these idiots in power if they don't vote the way we want them to?

Why would you willingly hand The Democrats control of Congress

Because that is essentially what you're doing

What?

No they aren't

I don't see a wall on the border

More infighting in an already shattered caucus

People don't care about immigration BM lol!

Trump does

supposedly

That's all that matters

Representatives and Senators aren't going to support a giant government infrastructure project that their constituents don't support!

He, alone, can dictate the agenda

No he doesn't ugh

it doesn't matter what popular opinion shows

He can decide what goes

It is well established the Presidency is the weakest position of the three Branches

No he doesnt

Trump's godawful tax bill was the least popular bill in HISTORY

Congress passed it anyway

This is a republic, not a autocracy, he doesn't dictate what happens