fuck off

That isn't why Trump won

@FLanon 2002 is literally the only election in which the party in power gained seats during the midterms bud./

In recent history

So yes

Muh history is relevant here

and 1998

This whole election pivots on whether Trump's base votes for Republicans

@Walter Johnson response against Newt

You can't just look at things at face value without looking at the dynamics

the swing in AZ-08 is because

>Debbie, minor scandal or not, is still kinda mediocre as a candidate. She's not a very charismatic speaker. She has the airheaded fat unattractive mom look. She seems like the person who would not notice if the kids she was chaperoning on a field trip got kidnapped

>she had a minor campaign finance scandal

>Hiral is a Doctor, somewhat MILFy, stressed healthcare in a district full of old people (amplified by her Doctor background). Spent quite a bit. Apparently didn't even say that she was a Democrat in her campaign signs

>the reason there was a special election in the first place was because Trent Franks had a sex scandal

>general midterm effect of party not in power being more desperate

@zakattack04 The democrats want to impeach Trump so its a similar situation

Another thing is when you go with that utterly gay shit about "history", you're ensuring it stays the same, the self-fulfilling prophecy.

@Walter Johnson Pelosi said they're not running on impeachment.

@FLanon yeah, the thing with @zakattack04 and @🎃Boo-ton🎃 is that they make CORRECT face value judgments that can be wrong when you examine things at a DEEPER level

We want to change history.

@Deleted User I will give you that, Debbie was ugly as hell.

I don't care what's happened, let's focus on what we must do

it was like Saccone vs Connor again

@FLanon You must learn history in order to change it, otherwise the trends are going to remain the same.

If we want to win big.

We need something to happen in NK

@zakattack04 Pelosi said that, but Tom Steyer is running Ads for impeachment, and other democrats are doing the same

@Walter Johnson Tom Steyer isn't even a politician

You going "the history's never gone that way" ensures it remains that way

It's he just a billionarie wanting to impeach trump

he doens't run the Democratic platform

He's literally the Democrats biggest Funder

nancy and Chuck do.

We have to learn why the swing exists in that 2 year window, and the answer is pure laziness.

He's VERY influential

That's always it, they're high and mighty with their majorities and whatnot because they won the presidency, and then they get fucked.

It's a trend that has never been stopped, so in order for me to believe the trend will be stopped, I need to see substantial evidence that this political landscape is overwhelmingly in our favor, like it was the times the trend was stopped

Our job is to bust that with a sledgehammer.

Maybe he is influence Walter but still.

I don't think impeachment is on their platform.

that would help us a lot.

But it's not.

@Walter Johnson

It's not just waiting for things to get better for us

It's about actively making it happen

I'm skeptical of our current chances is all.

Hi skeptical of our current chances is all., I'm Dad!

So?

Fuck the chances

i think the fact the GOP, which since 2008's sole mission was to repeal the ACA, is even considering giving into socialized medicine now is a problem./

Never tell me the odds

It shows the core is giving in on some issues.

Wait

Who said that quote

"never tell me the odds"

Oh it's from Star Wras

is that a quote?

yeah xD

harrison Ford

"never tell me the odds!"

oh fuck me, the globalist culture is subconcious

When 3CPO was calculating their chances of going through the astriod field.

hey the old ones were good.

The GOP base cares a lot more about Cultural issues than economic issues like Healthcare

eh, they were just an okay trio of movies that had a mass culture behind them

Cultural issues like Guns and immigration

I don't think so @Walter Johnson

@zakattack04 https://niskanencenter.org/blog/political-landscape-not-even-close-think/

Look at ben Shapiro, he has the biggest following of any right winger and he's a major economy guy

Rush Limbaugh might be a good culture guy I dunno

I don't listen to him

And who won in 2016, Rand Paul or Donald Trump?

There's a reason why fiscal conservatives like Paul Ryan, Flake, and Corker are retiring

If the economy was that important, Trump would've never beat Rand, but the cultural aspects are more powerful than anything else.

@FLanon the thing is, you never fully know what the odds are

so it's best to always campaign as if you do have a chance to win

if you lose, you at least did everything in control

if you win, you will KNOW that you would NOT have won if you didn't try

These sort of historical pivots like Korea are much larger on the grand scale than when it comes to how people think of Trump than compromise.

https://twitter.com/jerry_jtaylor/status/974119900703846400

Yeah, Trump's said in a rally when he saw that the exit polls didn't look so good that "at least we tried everything, now we can't blame ourselves"

It's a good mindset, you really have to give it your all

^^^That's the US electorate from two different studies

Kind of a bummer people don't care about the free market anymore...

But I guess it's good news

Short term

I honestly couldn't care less about the free market in the grand scale of things

@zakattack04 The Donors do

long term it means countries like china our going to beat us in innovation and economic power.

@FLanon America is only where it is because of free enterprise, that was a core of our founders.

Yeah, that's why Trump's message was so important, if we're going to give an economic message, it has to relate more to how it makes families' lives better other than just making costs lower.

That and Western culture

"Free enterprise" under certain limits

no founding father supported global corporatism

Anyways, if we make a decision when it comes to economies, we have to take a different viewpoint than "capitalist or communist"

They believed in capitalism with protectionist trade policy

When we make a decision, we have to think "will this improve the life of the average American household"?

Free markets do, it's only being abandoned because left leaning economies are easier.

always easier to receive than create

under some limits

And I guess improve is relative.

You can improve their life by giving them a house healthcare and acar

Should we do that?

Maybe if it is proportionally better and will result in a more positive effect

What?

However, I'm not stupid, I know the tax effect of that

It's not even the tax iefect

it's just using the government to take from the successful and give to the unsuccessful

In olden times the churches handled the welfare of the people.

Ben shapiro is a jew who could care less about white americans, or white identity.

Oh well then

Because Americans were philanthropic

Now we're selfish because the government continually implemented more left leaning economic policy and that makes people hoard their income.

@WildRooHuntingTutorials True

"The browning of America doesn't matter."

We have different economic philosophies, I suppose.

I think what is more urgent is the demographics, and to do that, we have to make things best for whites who should get families.

left leaning economic policy only hurts white families because minorities don't produce

Once we get things back on track, then we begin the conversation about whether bigger or smaller government is better, and focus on the social issues more.

If that is what you believe you would be a total capitalist xD

Here you've seen this before

Yes, I've seen it, yeah.

But yeah I agree demographics are the most urgent problem.

We definitely need to limit entitlement funding along the way, maybe by worker requirement

But we need to not concede on the economy, because a left leaning economy means slower growth, and slower growth means they're going to increase immigration.

"To spur more growth" as they say

I think the sort of obsession with stimulating the economy is a bit of a golden calf when it comes to these types

Golden calf?

Oh like

Moses lol]

little later but you get my point

I'm not obsessed with stimulating the economy, I'm more obsessed with just removing the incentive for immigration into the US.

Hi not obsessed with stimulating the economy, I'm more obsessed with just removing the incentive for immigration into the US., I'm Dad!

We definitely need to take the right steps to get to point B, but sort of also make it clear that these sort of abstract figures aren't as important as the concrete, how it effects people on a daily basis.

Well either way

I agree with you demographics first

And there is *correlation*, but it's not always exactly imperative.

because that is the most in need of saving.

correlation with what

quality of life, that kind of thing

tow hat

to what*

GDP growth, I guess

Well

These sort of figures the neoliberals obsess that we need to make higher or we're all doomed

it is true in history that people felt happier when the economy did better.

It's more to do with what causes it in my opinion

And I think it's dumb to sacrifice that for stupid regulations or something

Like pat buchannon said

Putting the lives of endangered fish before the lives of the endangered America family.

Yeah, that's a bit part of it, we definitely should seek economic prosperity, but sort of within our limits.

I think what I see you're getting at is:

We have to think about how to transition the american population from the service sector to small business, because we will face an unemployment crisis when the service sector becomes automatic.

That's fair, and we can do that through a freer market

it is well known regulations help big business the most.

if we deregulate, smaller businesses will become more competative

I think where we draw the line though

is global capitalism

because the end goal is the cheapest labor, which means outsourcing

So that's why i always say, free markets with reasonable protectionist trade policies

A part of it is making the capital needed to build a small business available in the first place, on average it costs $30,000 to start a small business.

Futhermore something like 60% of new businesses fail

because of high wages, and overrregualation.

At least here in CA for sure.

What would you say about degeneracy markets like prostitution and drugs?

What is the line you draw with that sort of thing?

Well drugs I'm back and forth.

I think liberty is important, you can govern yourself if you're self disciplined. It should be legal because people should be able to make that decision, but they shouldn't because it is the right thing to do to avoid taking drugs. Personally, I think all recreational drugs should be banned, ok for medical use, but not recreational, just because of way it can ruin your entire life if you made a decision when you were too young to think it through logically. I think prostitution is fine to be legal, federally. States can have their own laws on that, just because I think people should have their free agency to choose so.

I'm wiling to give into recreational use of weed as long it's in a devolved way.

Hi wiling to give into recreational use of weed as long it's in a devolved way., I'm Dad!

States decide that on their own.

Though I think it should be federally illegal personally.

I'll have to make a complete disagreement on the question of prostitution

This is sort of when my philosophy comes in, I believe that there would be more of an adverse effect than benefit when it comes to legalizing that when it comes to the values of the nation.

Well if people were self disciplined it wouldn't matter, because Christianity doesn't allow it.

I think it's more important to support American citizens' free agency. Their ability to choose, than have the government telling them what is and isn't ok.

We can discourage it

But to ban it federally, I'm not sure on.

I just have a disagreement with that idea.

I'm not into libertine sort of laws, to me it has to sort of benefit more than harm the general public, the laws of the nation showcase the value of the nation.

Hi not into libertine sort of laws, to me it has to sort of benefit more than harm the general public, the laws of the nation showcase the value of the nation., I'm Dad!

I understand, but I think we're stretching beyond the purpose of the federal government given by the Constitution.

I disagree

Well the values and laws of America are libety

Part of the preamble is to promote the nation's general welfare

Yeah but look at article 1

the enumerated powers

That's the axiom I take when I look at the role of the federal government in the united states

And even the elastic clause I don't think supports banning prostition

But you do see where I'm getting at, I look at things from the effect they will have in society

I don't think it's right to use the government to dictate morals to people, whether your believe prostitution is ok or not is a moral issue I believe, not a problem of the welfare of society.

Well what negative effect does prostitution have on the general welfare?

For me at least, the worst I've seen is them siting in corners and looking gross, which is no different than what someone in poverty does.

Sitting on corners*

Moral degeneration, taking away the sexual drive to make a family by instead blowing your load into a whore

Well let's be real here FLanon

Anyone that is morally ok with getting a whore, has personal issues anyway that wouldn't have made them a good father.

Adding another avenue of revenue to young women who shouldn't be selling their bodies on the streets

It's about encouragement, the effect of an action.

Prohibition does have its place in society.

No see that's to far I believe

That's using the government to dictate morals to people, instead of encouraging people to naturally grow up support American morals.

When you're told something by the state, you do it because it's law, not because you want to

You're not nurturing those values you cherish

By removing the things you disagree with

The issue is we don't really live in a society that would discourage prostitution if legalized

Well than as you've told me.

Change that.

Yep

The only people that support that crap are degenerates

Mock them, tear them down.

Make progressives the enemy.

Not the things they support

Until we get to the point where we come to the ultra conservative christian nation, we keep prostitution illegal.

I don't think so.

As of the status quo, there is nothing good that can come from removing the prostitution prohibition.

Until the people believe prostitution is wrong, there is no reasonable way we can make it illegal.

It is illegal though

I mean, even white Christian America

ditched prohibition

Yeah, of alcohol

Through amendment procress.

yeahi thought you were talknig about that too.

Different gulf

Alcohol prohibition definitely has more adverse effects than benefits

But alcohol supports degeneracy so why don't you want to ban that too?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/385942-clinton-being-a-capitalist-probably-hurt-her-2016-election-prospects

It's a social lubricant

Alcohol is much less of a sort of degeneracy promoter than prostitution or something like that

@Deleted User Revisionist history lol, it is well agreed that Clinton won so well because he was a Conservative Democrat

You can drink in moderation and not be a degenerate

So the argument is how much of degeneracy it supports then

You can do the same with smoking.

So is weed ok?

I'm not completely against legalization

Hi not completely against legalization, I'm Dad!

: )

You can smoke in moderation

Yes.

Oh

Well I'm not either

Except for terrible drugs.

hey

I think weed recreational should be left to the states.

look at this

I think we should treat marijuana on the same status as alcohol

https://www.axios.com/midterm-voters-want-to-cut-legal-immigration-1525107140-74686ffd-0a8f-44b1-a470-5c007fa8dd1b.html

Ohh look

trump was right to make a DACA deal

49% supported cutting annual legal immigration to 250,000 or less

NumbersUSA, doesn't Button Mash work there?

And we all got mad at him for wanting to do a DACA deal hmm

Part of my gripe with that was consistency issues

And when you add the amount of people who support even stricter immigration cuts, Trump's proposal was basically the 50% mark.