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2018-03-28 22:30:28 UTC

That's a fact

2018-03-28 22:30:29 UTC

@Deleted User That's pretty uncommon for most right wings is my point.

2018-03-28 22:30:37 UTC

But still

2018-03-28 22:30:39 UTC

Younger Democrat doo to.

2018-03-28 22:30:46 UTC

Lots of older people do it

2018-03-28 22:30:46 UTC

The problem is that the circumstances change a mile a minute.

2018-03-28 22:31:14 UTC

At least democrats get things done when they are in office

2018-03-28 22:31:27 UTC

Republicans can have a majority and not accomplish squat

2018-03-28 22:31:33 UTC

Itโ€™s the sad truth

2018-03-28 22:31:34 UTC

That's our problem

2018-03-28 22:31:39 UTC

Mostly because the Senate

2018-03-28 22:31:44 UTC

the House has passed 305 Bills so far

2018-03-28 22:31:51 UTC

They don't have to care about party purity because they have a solid foundation

2018-03-28 22:31:52 UTC

But the Senate hasn't taken any of them.

2018-03-28 22:32:01 UTC

Every Democratic Senator voted for Obamacare

2018-03-28 22:32:13 UTC

And now obamacare is enver going away.

2018-03-28 22:32:16 UTC

We don't have party unity

2018-03-28 22:32:20 UTC

My idea is that we need to fight in the primaries for the most far-right candidates (but not too harshly) and ultimately endeavor to defend as many Reps/Governors as possible in November while going on an all-out offensive in the Senate to reach 62 votes.

2018-03-28 22:32:22 UTC

A solid majority of people want it modified, not repealed anymore

2018-03-28 22:32:28 UTC

When people vote for a Democrat, they know how they'll act

2018-03-28 22:32:32 UTC

Great idea

2018-03-28 22:32:36 UTC

We've got too many renegades, too many cucks

2018-03-28 22:32:41 UTC

That's my stragety

2018-03-28 22:32:52 UTC

Get some of our guys into office

2018-03-28 22:33:10 UTC

Then you basically take over the party

2018-03-28 22:33:11 UTC

That's why people on the left can vote straight down because their candidates do what they want

2018-03-28 22:33:41 UTC

not even that.

2018-03-28 22:33:58 UTC

They have no principles that they hold to their politicans.

2018-03-28 22:34:00 UTC

Like it or not, they are reliable for what they get voted in for.

2018-03-28 22:34:04 UTC

Democrats don't hold their politicans accountable ever

2018-03-28 22:34:19 UTC

Perfect example is NJ's senator

2018-03-28 22:34:19 UTC

This is what I'm saying, THEY DON'T NEED TO BECAUSE THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT

2018-03-28 22:34:24 UTC

Not really.

2018-03-28 22:34:28 UTC

They just don't care.

2018-03-28 22:34:39 UTC

60 dem senators, every last one of them voted for Obamacare

2018-03-28 22:34:46 UTC

Not all Dems wanted Obamacare.

2018-03-28 22:34:47 UTC

Every dem senator voted against tax cuts

2018-03-28 22:34:49 UTC

But they voted for it

2018-03-28 22:34:55 UTC

And they weren't held accountable.

2018-03-28 22:35:03 UTC

At least they know what they're voting for

2018-03-28 22:35:07 UTC

What about reducing the filibuster rule.

2018-03-28 22:35:13 UTC

A lot of democrats were against that

2018-03-28 22:35:18 UTC

Herry Reid did it anyway and retired.

2018-03-28 22:35:24 UTC

No democrat cares.

2018-03-28 22:35:32 UTC

he just shit on 180 years of tradition.

2018-03-28 22:35:37 UTC

They have no principles

2018-03-28 22:35:48 UTC

The point being, democrats are a muh more solid group than Republicans

2018-03-28 22:35:52 UTC

They elect their politicians to just vote partisan

2018-03-28 22:36:23 UTC

John McCain's voting record looks nothing like Rand Paul's, but Joe Manchin's voting record is very similar to Elizabeth Warren's.

2018-03-28 22:36:41 UTC

My point^

2018-03-28 22:36:43 UTC

The point is, we have no unison.

2018-03-28 22:36:52 UTC

They do

2018-03-28 22:36:57 UTC

And you want to create less unison from what we already have.

2018-03-28 22:36:58 UTC

Well not you

2018-03-28 22:37:00 UTC

Button Mash does.

2018-03-28 22:37:09 UTC

But "making them earn his vote back"

2018-03-28 22:37:30 UTC

As the country gets irreversible damage dealt by a Democratic majority.

2018-03-28 22:37:49 UTC

You can criticize that proposal all you want, but you cannot deny it is built specifically around trimming the hedges of the dissidents of the party for unison

2018-03-28 22:38:01 UTC

At what cost?

2018-03-28 22:38:08 UTC

Oh please

2018-03-28 22:38:10 UTC

Whether it's effective or not, the one thing it promotes is unison.

2018-03-28 22:38:14 UTC

What can Democrats do in two years

2018-03-28 22:38:26 UTC

impeachment, OH

2018-03-28 22:38:29 UTC

And 2020 census!

2018-03-28 22:38:32 UTC

Republicans have been in power since 2010 and can't do anything

2018-03-28 22:38:33 UTC

They get to redistrict

2018-03-28 22:38:43 UTC

Which means they get to gerrymander

2018-03-28 22:38:53 UTC

The executive department has the authority over the census

2018-03-28 22:38:57 UTC

Trump doesn't need congress to do the census

2018-03-28 22:39:05 UTC

Impeacment would not get approved by the Senate.

2018-03-28 22:39:09 UTC

what

2018-03-28 22:39:10 UTC

You guys

2018-03-28 22:39:15 UTC

I'm talkign about the districts.

2018-03-28 22:39:23 UTC

The party in power draws the districts.

2018-03-28 22:39:27 UTC

After every census.

2018-03-28 22:39:29 UTC

districts are drawn by state legislatures

2018-03-28 22:39:31 UTC

State legislature takes care of that.

2018-03-28 22:39:32 UTC

not Congress

2018-03-28 22:39:34 UTC

Yeah

2018-03-28 22:39:46 UTC

I'm taking out not voting for Republicans in Congress

2018-03-28 22:39:47 UTC

But the blue wave still effects state legislatures if you stay home and don't vote!

2018-03-28 22:39:49 UTC

The districts are decided by population and drawn by the states

2018-03-28 22:40:00 UTC

Of course you fucking vote

2018-03-28 22:40:15 UTC

No shit, vote

2018-03-28 22:40:21 UTC

I'd go out and vote for City Council and State Legislature, and Governor

2018-03-28 22:40:25 UTC

But Congress?

2018-03-28 22:40:27 UTC

For the best people.

2018-03-28 22:40:33 UTC

only the Senate

2018-03-28 22:40:34 UTC

Sorry! Build the wall first!

2018-03-28 22:40:37 UTC

So you're just gunna write in for the US representatives.

2018-03-28 22:40:43 UTC

Other

2018-03-28 22:40:48 UTC

ugh...

2018-03-28 22:40:54 UTC

Ooga

2018-03-28 22:41:01 UTC

Single issue voting...

2018-03-28 22:41:10 UTC

It's not single issue

2018-03-28 22:41:12 UTC

It's a pattern

2018-03-28 22:41:16 UTC

Sorry! Build the wall first!

2018-03-28 22:41:20 UTC

Literally single issue.

2018-03-28 22:41:29 UTC

Also Immigration Reform

2018-03-28 22:41:32 UTC

it's a big issue

2018-03-28 22:41:33 UTC

These people are unreliable for the agenda Trump campaigned on.

2018-03-28 22:41:37 UTC

Immigration is the biggest issue

2018-03-28 22:41:43 UTC

If you give them more seats they can override the moderates, because it turns out running more right wing people in places like NJ and NY will have you lose seats.

2018-03-28 22:41:43 UTC

ONLY issue that matters

2018-03-28 22:41:43 UTC

In general.

2018-03-28 22:41:48 UTC

Tax cuts are fine and all but immigration is what decides the future of our nation

2018-03-28 22:41:49 UTC

ONLY ONE!

2018-03-28 22:41:53 UTC

All issues matter, don't be naive.

2018-03-28 22:41:58 UTC

Nope

2018-03-28 22:42:04 UTC

Holy shit

2018-03-28 22:42:05 UTC

Immigration will be the death of the country

2018-03-28 22:42:09 UTC

Not ISIS,

2018-03-28 22:42:14 UTC

Not Debt,

2018-03-28 22:42:14 UTC

Less moderates and more of our guys

2018-03-28 22:42:16 UTC

But Immigrants

2018-03-28 22:42:18 UTC

Depends if we're talking about voting or running for office

2018-03-28 22:42:26 UTC

You can't win /our/guys in moderate districts.

2018-03-28 22:42:29 UTC

If it's voting, go abead and do that

2018-03-28 22:42:37 UTC

If it's running, tackle everything

2018-03-28 22:42:43 UTC

Paul nehlen was doing well until he turned into a sperg

2018-03-28 22:42:47 UTC

like Maine, NJ and NY

2018-03-28 22:42:53 UTC

Literally shot himself in the leg

2018-03-28 22:43:01 UTC

You can win in NJ

2018-03-28 22:43:04 UTC

Yeah that was a moronic decision

2018-03-28 22:43:09 UTC

But it's gotta be in North NJ

2018-03-28 22:43:12 UTC

New Jersey is full of cuck republicans

2018-03-28 22:43:16 UTC

Yeah

2018-03-28 22:43:17 UTC

No back bone

2018-03-28 22:43:22 UTC

I thought it was.

2018-03-28 22:43:39 UTC

There is

2018-03-28 22:43:39 UTC

Anyways, I gave you guys a governor list

2018-03-28 22:43:42 UTC

Use it

2018-03-28 22:43:43 UTC

It's all immigration hardliners or I'm staying home

2018-03-28 22:43:46 UTC

not doves

2018-03-28 22:43:54 UTC

This is why we lose...

2018-03-28 22:43:56 UTC

Build

2018-03-28 22:44:00 UTC

That

2018-03-28 22:44:04 UTC

Wall

2018-03-28 22:44:11 UTC

They just put the scum bag in and keep voting for him

2018-03-28 22:44:12 UTC

Democrats are imploding

2018-03-28 22:44:15 UTC

No they aren't

2018-03-28 22:44:17 UTC

I'll vote for a immigration hawk Democrat over a immigration dove Republican tbh

2018-03-28 22:44:20 UTC

They're not

2018-03-28 22:44:24 UTC

They have so much momentum for electinos

2018-03-28 22:44:35 UTC

Democrat immigration hawk?

2018-03-28 22:44:37 UTC

never heard of that.

2018-03-28 22:44:43 UTC

Not one that will support your wall.

2018-03-28 22:44:54 UTC

Contract, that's what we need

2018-03-28 22:44:55 UTC

Or removing chain migration and the visa lottery.

2018-03-28 22:44:57 UTC

we'll see

2018-03-28 22:45:03 UTC

my point made lol

2018-03-28 22:45:07 UTC

Trump's gotta propose that to blue dogs too

2018-03-28 22:45:14 UTC

FLanon

2018-03-28 22:45:14 UTC

Democrats don't want blue dogs anymore

2018-03-28 22:45:14 UTC

Show their loyalties

2018-03-28 22:45:19 UTC

You realize there's like no Blue dogs anymore

2018-03-28 22:45:24 UTC

They're a dieing coalition

2018-03-28 22:45:29 UTC

Who is conor lamb?

2018-03-28 22:45:31 UTC

Joe Manchin is the only one I know.

2018-03-28 22:45:37 UTC

We want into a shitshow over this

2018-03-28 22:45:53 UTC

Like it or not, those seats they hold are invaluable.

2018-03-28 22:45:54 UTC

Eh.

2018-03-28 22:46:04 UTC

Conor Lamb is just more old school Democrat than actual Blue Dog.

2018-03-28 22:46:11 UTC

If they disagree to the contract, depose them

2018-03-28 22:46:17 UTC

If you're only argument to vote Republican is "but the Democrats",

2018-03-28 22:46:22 UTC

then it's time for a new party

2018-03-28 22:46:28 UTC

Oh yeah that worsk!

2018-03-28 22:46:37 UTC

Progressive Party for TR

2018-03-28 22:46:37 UTC

Yeahhh

2018-03-28 22:46:40 UTC

That so works

2018-03-28 22:46:40 UTC

Liberatarian Party

2018-03-28 22:46:57 UTC

I think I know of a way of making that work, actually. A little differently than you may think though.

2018-03-28 22:47:07 UTC

I'm talking 1830s style.

2018-03-28 22:47:34 UTC

You've proven yourself to be extremely ignorant on these subjects Button mash. Republicans already tried making a new Party during the Progressive era and now with the Lulbertarian party

2018-03-28 22:47:40 UTC

Both just cause the GOP to lose elections.

2018-03-28 22:47:53 UTC

Infact the Bull Moose party cause the Republicans to lose the presidency.

2018-03-28 22:47:59 UTC

You have to get to the top, then you implement new parties.

2018-03-28 22:48:10 UTC

For example:

2018-03-28 22:48:12 UTC

Tea Party was a good movment.

2018-03-28 22:48:18 UTC

I've waited for my priorities to be implemented for years,

2018-03-28 22:48:21 UTC

Beacuse it was built on replacing the current Republicans

2018-03-28 22:48:22 UTC

my patience is running thin

2018-03-28 22:48:25 UTC

Obviously you haven't

2018-03-28 22:48:32 UTC

THEN RUN FAGGOT

2018-03-28 22:48:34 UTC

because you not going to try everything to see them implemented.

2018-03-28 22:48:53 UTC

You can't complain about your polices, and not go vote, what a total faggot.

2018-03-28 22:49:01 UTC

"I'm not getting what I want so I'm going to pout"

2018-03-28 22:49:07 UTC

I've voted in every election

2018-03-28 22:49:09 UTC

Get out there and make it happen.

2018-03-28 22:49:20 UTC

what good has that gave us

2018-03-28 22:49:22 UTC

Voting isn't enough if you really care about those issues.

2018-03-28 22:49:25 UTC

If you aren't happy, run

2018-03-28 22:49:30 UTC

Voting takes you what?

2018-03-28 22:49:34 UTC

1 hour?

2018-03-28 22:49:39 UTC

So you've spent one hour every two years.

2018-03-28 22:49:43 UTC

yeah you really care.

2018-03-28 22:49:46 UTC

Fucking moron

2018-03-28 22:49:56 UTC

Campaign if you want your policies implemented.

2018-03-28 22:50:03 UTC

^

2018-03-28 22:50:03 UTC

And stop being such a hypocritical child./

2018-03-28 22:50:07 UTC

^

2018-03-28 22:50:20 UTC

I can't win here

2018-03-28 22:50:23 UTC

Look at this Party lol

2018-03-28 22:50:31 UTC

This is my point

2018-03-28 22:50:35 UTC

You can give me excuses all day.

2018-03-28 22:50:42 UTC

The fact remains, you're not willing to do what it takes.

2018-03-28 22:50:47 UTC

Say we all, as Republicans, make it into the party establishment, to the top, President, RNC chair, House Speaker, Senate Majority. Then, we approach everyone in Congress with a contract if they were to support a list of platforms. Then, you take everyone that signs, no matter what party, and you say "okay, let's organize a new political movement, and we're going to make a new party".

2018-03-28 22:50:47 UTC

To make your agenda real.

2018-03-28 22:50:50 UTC

So shut the fuck up.

2018-03-28 22:51:12 UTC

I'm talking of a new paradigm, not some libertarian party, reform party, green party bullshit

2018-03-28 22:51:15 UTC

but my agenda is TRUMP's agenda

2018-03-28 22:51:18 UTC

supposedly

2018-03-28 22:51:19 UTC

No one has made you live in california's 46th

2018-03-28 22:51:23 UTC

Button aren't you like 35

2018-03-28 22:51:40 UTC

I shouldn't have to run when I elected a person to deliver _my_ priorities

2018-03-28 22:51:47 UTC

You moron

2018-03-28 22:51:48 UTC

.....

2018-03-28 22:51:48 UTC

yes you do.

2018-03-28 22:51:56 UTC

What do you think this country was founded on

2018-03-28 22:52:00 UTC

"Find someone else to complete what you want":

2018-03-28 22:52:08 UTC

No this country was founded on self responsibility

2018-03-28 22:52:11 UTC

If you wish to have your priorities implemented, make them happen yourself.

2018-03-28 22:52:12 UTC

If you want it

2018-03-28 22:52:15 UTC

You earn it damnit.

2018-03-28 22:52:21 UTC

seriously.

2018-03-28 22:52:24 UTC

What a fucking child.

2018-03-28 22:52:34 UTC

Loo

2018-03-28 22:52:50 UTC

he can run and help Trump get his agenda through but no

2018-03-28 22:52:54 UTC

He just whines

2018-03-28 22:52:55 UTC

Anyways, that's my idea of how inventing a new party would work

2018-03-28 22:53:02 UTC

And you yell at me and get pissed at me for my views, you're the biggest hypocrite I've ever seen.

2018-03-28 22:53:05 UTC

FLanon I like that.

2018-03-28 22:53:10 UTC

Another COntract with the American Voter.

2018-03-28 22:53:25 UTC

First a movement within an existing party, then the movement becomes its own party.

2018-03-28 22:53:33 UTC

Exactly

2018-03-28 22:53:38 UTC

Not "make a new party"

2018-03-28 22:54:04 UTC

Incorporate a few dissidents from another party, make them take a stand of "are you with us or against us"

2018-03-28 22:54:17 UTC

If none come, that shows volumes to the voter

2018-03-28 22:54:21 UTC

It's easier to change a tire than build a new car.

2018-03-28 22:54:29 UTC

That's what you have to do with this.

2018-03-28 22:55:12 UTC

Maybe we go into the Rs, march to the top, then say "we are now forming the American Nationalist Party" or something of that nature

2018-03-28 22:55:27 UTC

Contracts are the big part of it

2018-03-28 22:55:37 UTC

American Nationalist Party...

2018-03-28 22:55:44 UTC

oh boy that's going to give the Media a field day.

2018-03-28 22:55:48 UTC

Worse than the Alt-Right

2018-03-28 22:55:56 UTC

Alt-Right

2018-03-28 22:55:57 UTC

I sincerely think that Trump should approach the blue dogs with that to make a stand

2018-03-28 22:56:02 UTC

Hail Victory

2018-03-28 22:56:11 UTC

Hail Our People

2018-03-28 22:56:13 UTC

Hail Trump

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