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This is old, but am I the only one who gets bitterly pissed off at this?:
Winnie se gat.
Stem saam winnie se gat
Protest still ongoing in hermanus,loud bangs heard(from my source) going of throughout the night,and at this moment. Police presence still heavy hermanus.
The protests are not connected to the april/may schulphoek situation. This sutuation is more volatile as its a group with a ringleader( Gcobani ndzongana) he is on twitter,who demands land its seems. He was arrested and his followers are protesting for his release,he wil be in im court tomorrow regarding his charges. Things Could turn more volatile tomorrow. Police even called for the army to be brought in. It seems our SAPS is not capable of even handling a small group of protesters,just imagine when 10,000 protest. I highly doubt our army will even be capable of handling it. Things are only going to get worst with lead up to the 2019 elections.
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Ek luister vir julle...
Dit raas te veel hier, kan nie gesels nie
@HoppeanSnake_ZA click op jou mic, daar n streep deur... Dan kan jy deel van gesprek raak...
vir een of ander rede wil die app nie mooi werk op my foon nie. My IRL naam is David. Ek het vir jou @Willem Petzer n email op 30 Junie gestuur
promise im no CIA nigger
Hoe bedoel jy dit werk nie lekker nie. Wat is fout
Sorry this one rather https://mises.org/wire/economic-globalization-not-political-globalization
Apparently thst is a broken link...
Works now, just my computer...
@Malcolm the Seceder A Free Church of Scotland minister sent me this message a couple of years ago:
I gave the talk at the Free North last Sunday. The talk was called "Mandela and the Missionary Legacy". Essentially it was looking at how, at almost every major point of his life, Mandela had contact with the Gospel, and the missionary legacy. From his Methodist school, to Clarkbury, Headltown, Fort Hare, during his growing political awareness, even his commitment to armed struggle has an echo in the Presbyterian belief in the overthrow of tyrants, by force if necessary, as well as at Robben Island, to his later contact with Dr Michael Cassidy. The conclusion, however, is far from clear as to what spiritual difference this made upon him, though in terms of common grace it made a huge contribution to a more or less peaceful transition to a democratic South Africa.
Do you think the ANCs Peoples War and the Presbyterian belief in the overthrow of tyrants are the same?
Doesn't wash with me. Calvin from what I understand counseled Christians to accept tyrannical rule in some circumstances
Btw can u accept my new friend request here had to resend when I got booted
1 hour mark. Sars employee Paid 2.5 million per year to sit around and read newspapers,on top of that bonus were paid aswell.
We are being ruled by fvking idiots... *Queue alex Jones meldown except replace south american walruses for South African mental retards*
So a few of you have asked why as a Scot I don't support Scottish Independence. Here is an article published in my church's magazine at the time which gives 4 reasons why we were opposed to it:
And here is a link to the Solemn League and Covenant which was a covenant drawn up by the protestants of England and Scotland to work for the reformation of religion in both nations and in Ireland. This is one of the foundational documents of Scottish Presbyterianism and why we see ourselves as part of a united kingdom, bonded by kinship and religion and believe that the Lord united these nations for His glory and our good:
couldn't watch that
2 died hey?
was kind of scary ya.
"o hierdie gaan bad wees"
the audio freaked me out so I bailed
bit of a snuff film
it's not so bad though
guy filming was quite calm
https://www.biznews.com/thought-leaders/2018/07/18/lessons-anc-venezuela-land-grabs-plans/ kyk in die glasbal en word bang. How do to get the masses to understand.
IMO this equates to a form of sanctions. Unfriendly investment environments is a difficult pill the global investment market to swallow. Commie fags in the EFF and ANC have been BTFO'd by the investment jew for the past 4 years and they still dont know why the economy is failing. #MakeSouthAfricaInvestmentFriendlyAgain
Yeah good suggestion, instead of a chaotic mish-mash, should organise it, and structure it.
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RE: Khoisan article,Could it be about money? Only 7 traditional leaders are paid,i doubt he is on the payroll. The anc does not want anything to do with khoisan people.
Yeah isnt that the problem, that the government does not want anything to do with them, being the reason they want out?
Or to be recognised and get paid millions like the zulu king
Afrikaners need a king and queen👑
Premier Helen Zille
22 mins ·
I have just returned home from my last meeting and will write a final post for the day.
After concerted police action throughout the night brought calm to Zwelihle and Hermanus, Minister Bheki Cele entered the area with various high ranking policemen, councillors, members of parliament and myself.
After an initial warm reception for the Minister, the crowd turned volatile and hostile in a flash when he said he would not order the release of Gcobani Ndzongana, the young man who is seen as the leader of the group called Zwelihle Renewal, which is believed to have ties with Black First Land First (BLF). This group has been responsible for attack people, destroying property and an arson-based reign of terror against anyone who disagrees with them.
After trying to restore calm, the Minister left, on roads strewn with rocks and rubble.
There have been millions of Rands of damage to infrastructure, and (worse) people have been attacked and totally traumatised.
It is an absolute miracle that we have not had another Marikana with the police firing on residents -- even when the police are under attack they have been restrained, to the point where a policeman has severe head injuries after being attacked by an axe-wielding man. The search for solutions within the law, continues. ^HZ
A good summary of Hermanus situation: https://www.facebook.com/overstrandherald/posts/1888804521178860
It summarises it well. Two years ago i said small towns will be be targeted as its easier to mobilise a group and cause a "uprising" it's also harder for police to maintain as they have to get neighbouring police in to help deal with the situation. We will see a lot more of these small town uprisings.
The thing about zwehile is,there is not much land anyways,its basically full already. What i think will happen is,the majority white community that lives right next to zwehile in sandbaai will be targeted and homes destroyed.
@Karooboer ek wonder wat gaan aan daar. Is dit die nuwe ANC vs Inkata
Dis seker nie n wit ou wat hom geskiet het nie anders sou almal nou al hier van gehoor het
Ons moet maar net terug sit en kyk die wolwe mekaar verskeur
https://www.w24.co.za/Love/Relationship/open-relationships-are-as-good-as-monogamous-ones-20180710 die Woman24 is darem wragties ‘n gemors blad
Just what we need, more mouths to feed while the number of employment oppertunities get less.
@Conscious Caracal No, racism is a perfectly natural defence mechanism for the continued existence of the species.
The title is tongue in cheek. Watch for context. @$P!KY\/!k!NG
@Conscious Caracal What irritates me about these softcock multiculti types is the idea that racism is somehow evil or immoral. It is a perfectly natural response to an alien and hostile organism. It is a good way to define a common enemy for your group and to exclude enemy influence and subversion.
@$P!KY\/!k!NG Jeez dude "the idea that racism is somehow evil or immoral. It is a perfectly natural response to an alien and hostile organism." Yeah according to you, its totally a natural response for the black Africans to be hostile towards white Europeans, by your own words there all of you this is justified. It is a good way for them to define a common enemy towards their group and to exclude enemy influence such as the free market, law and order, science yada yada. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm almost certain you don't like being on the receiving end of your own statements and rhetoric, do you? It's okay when you think like that and it's your god's way of thinking and talking, but when others think the way you think and talk the way you talk, then they are animals. What kind of double standard is this? Animals depend on their instinctive prejudices to survive, and humans are given law and order through reasoning to thrive. Your double standard and your own testimony in a prior engagement of ours clearly reveals you don't observe the great commandments, so it would be very reasonable for me to call you out for being unreasonable, either ignorantly or being controlled opposition, trying to sow your weedy ideas here.
well, just speculating - there is a difference between criminal behaviour and racism, for example:
calling someone a "baboon" is racist and hurts feelings / putting someone in a coffin is criminal behaviour
@Sheamus Which commandment do I not observe? I never oppose racism against whites on thr grounfs of being evil or immoral. I merely observe and understand the behaviour and prepare/react accordingly. Let them be as they are. It is what it is. I don't whine like a little girl about it because it doesn't affect me on any level.
I see it this way, it could be considered immoral to prejudge an individual on a micro level, you have much more variety between individuals than you can ever have between groups. People are not monolithic. It is irrational to treat people as anything other than individuals. That being said Race plays a huge role on a macro-level in society. Diverse nations have problems with social trust and this leads to a lot of alienation.There is also the Race-IQ debate which shows us that racial groups have differences in intelligence. This effects economic inequality and leads to envy based on self identified race. The point is that you should treat people as the individuals they are but be aware of the role that Race plays in your societies.
@HoppeanSnake_ZA Which is why I vote for absolute segregation. You can never treat another race unfairly if they are nowhere to be found...
@$P!KY\/!k!NG Fair enough, i think thats throwing the bath out with the bathwater and is very unlikely to ever be achieved in todays world. There are other forms of governance that can lead to relitavely peaceful coexistence between different groups. The Russians have a pretty good setup by allowing autonomy in their republics within their Confederation.
@HoppeanSnake_ZA Peaceful coexistence(within the same geographical area) is not necessarily the best idea in the long run believe it or not.
@HoppeanSnake_ZA Why do you want to be politically entangled with alien peoples?
@HoppeanSnake_ZA I sense that there is still this idea among the people here that there is some kind of incentive for having any kind of relations with alien peoples.
@$P!KY\/!k!NG Ideally I wouldn't but we are entangled economically, whether you believe it or not, and this has political consequences. Pragmatism is sometimes better than being an ideologue.
Indeed pragmatism is better. Which is why I'm saying the following: We are entangled politically and economically for now, but say there was a way to destroy the current multiculti koombayah liberal (((globalist))) new age jesus system, what would we choose to replace it with? Do we AGAIN choose a multiracial/multicultural system?? The very thing that has failed over and over since the time of babylon? If you choose a federal state type solution, you are still just another multiculti state with some self rule as long as the constitution agrees. This is not good enough for me personally and I think even more dangerous in the long run.
@$P!KY\/!k!NG there never will be a better solution to this. I agree the globalist multi-cultural agenda is a load of crap, but Europe had it right, all European nations are equal in the Christian sense, even though their cultures differ and they maintain borders to seperate them. Germany has their own culture, Italy has their own culture, the British have their own culture and so forth, yet as a westerner you can go to any of these nations with the same values and not be on the wrong side of the law. Grand apartheid was aiming to do the same thing hence my personal support for it. The smaller narrow minded apartheid that revolved around race in particular was the corruption of apartheid that inevitably lead to inequity and exploitation. Equal but seperate development is the perfectly okay with me and pretty much most of the sane world, but when you start justifying someome else being unequal, then you are becoming unreasonable and throw everyone into chaos.
As for the commandments you betray,
"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it (take note the meaning of like unto), Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
So you've demonstrated that you would betray the greatest commandment by rejecting God in favor of the flesh that you desire, and then by comparing all other races as animals (goi) and not worthy of being equal, but enemies worthy of hate, you clearly do not love your enemy as you ought to, and that creates inequity, betraying the second great commandment.
I know, let's put the entirety of South Africa's land under state control. You know, the same government that's run ESKOM so that its debt now exceeds South Africa's total budget for health and education.
What could go wrong?
What do you think Ramaphosa sold to get that amount 😂 😂
We going to be the People's Republic of South Africa in the future 😂
Better get used to our new flag
Just as long as they don't want to call us the Democratic People's Republic of South Africa
flag is close though, lose the yellow
On the bright side it looks like we have surplus capacity. I guess this is what happens when your economy shrinks due to rising energy costs and government calls on business to use less energy.
"Cyril Ramaphosa has managed to sign an investment deal with China valued at R196 billion."
Most do not understand what this implies. Don't be fooled into thinking the money to ease SA's R2,7 trillion debt burden is coming from China or anywhere else. It's not as if Cyril handed out SA's banking details and said: "do an EFT". The Chinese deal (and others) allow countries to build their infrastructure in South Africa.
One such agreement, between China and Eskom, is for the construction and management of unnamed facilities, to the value of R33 billion. Others are with Transnet (rail, ports and pipeline) and an undisclosed Financial Sector investment, probably BRICS or a Chinese bank.
Now, the agreement with China includes a provision for the relaxation of visa applications for their workforce. That's correct, China ships in Chinese nationals to build the infrastructure and has a reputation throughout Africa for leaving their workforce behind long after completion of a project.
Such practice is visible as close to us as Angola, where China built an entire City of apartments, 750 eight-story buildings able to house 500,000. The city stood empty for many years as selling prices were far above what the average Angolan could afford. Their solution? Provide long-term, low-cost loans from Chinese banks to locals - effectively bonding them for a lifetime.
A similar practice is already evident in South Africa with low-cost "to rent only" high-density Chinese developments popping up wherever you look. One has to wonder if Chinese nationals will be beneficiaries of land expropriation without compensation.
I have to ask the question; How does this benefit us as South African citizens, taxpayers and job-seekers? Please share your thoughts.
I would be interested in your views of this @HoppeanSnake_ZA I think I have audio problems.
"There is a concerning lack of transparency in CR's recent China deals which could lead to another form of State Capture. We seem to have forgotten that China Development Bank, who yesterday invested R33bn in Eskom and an undisclosed amount in Transnet, was implicated in several dodgy deals highlighted in Thuli Madonsela's State Capture report.
At the BRICS summit in Durban five years ago, Brian Molefe cut a deal with China Development Bank for R50 billion. The deal was for locomotives supplied by China rail - trains which should and could have been built in SA. This deal included well-documented kickbacks for the Guptas.
Then Brian Molefe moved onto Eskom and struck another deal with China Development Bank for another R50 billion.
Furthermore, China Development Bank has picked up Eskom's deal with Hitachi to finance Kusile power station - the same Hitachi which was found guilty of corruption in the Medupi deals of around R40 billion.
Two weeks ago the BRICS New Development bank loaned Transnet R2.7 billion for the Durban ports.
As we all know, the State-Owned entities mentioned above are currently undergoing countless inquiries and investigations for serious corruption and are, by the admittance of their senior executives, still filled with corruption. These kinds of deals can only be considered as odious debt - not in the best interests of the majority of the people.
With the BRICS summit once again on the go in SA, we seem to be witnessing history repeat itself. The game is the same only the players have changed."
The uneducated voter does not comprehend any of this... Which is a problem.
Or should I say, trying to force a collective mind upon the individuals living in it 🤔
A very demented mindset
@TruthCanary Didn't think that shit would spread from the USA to SA
That shit has spread everywhere
@KoninginTanja Hard to tell, it's so consistent with the narrative being pushed... But then again, the narrative is pretty much fake as it is.
WTF... Does anyone know what went on here?
A video Willie shared with me when the soldiers threw them out of their house. They claim these houses belongs to the military. After reaching out to government for their intervention, the pressure became too much and he took his life this past Saturday. Not only did they evict residents eligally, they even took Chris who owned sheep - they took of his sheep and had a braai with it. They disconnected their water supply on the squatter camp. So you tell me, how does government still turn a blind eye to this???
I saw that
Government has trumpeted China pledge of R193 billion – but South Africa has invested much more than that in China
shared via @News24
@Conscious Caracal This was decided years ago. An "alliance" with the zulu. There will also be a secession, but not of the Boer republics or an ethnostate. Just another multiracial/multicultural liberal democracy.
The DA is rotten
Didn't they also want to punish people who go off the water grid?
This looks/sounds like another e-toll, people should just ignore it
I hope @everyone in South Africa tunes in tonight to support our guy, Ernst:
I dont have TV, guess ill have to stream it.
Bitter baie @Our_DA lede gaan oorloop @COPE_SA en @VFPlus toe.
DA gaan ook baie van hulle nuutgevonde "black vote" weer verloor omdat Zuma nie meer aan die stuur is.
As die DA 15% nasionale stem kry in 2019 gaan ek verbaas wees.
Dis hoekom ek die ander dag vir Renaldo gesê het die DA gaan heel moontlik die Wes Kaap verloor in die volgende verkiesing. Hy is egter baie positief, en sê hy sal sy YouTube kanaal toemaak as dit gebeur
Hou dit oor sy kop volgende jaar
Ek persoonlik ken teminste 15 mense wat nie meer DA gaan stem nie.
DA gaan 2019 moet smeek by die kleiner partye om aan bewind te bly, Mmusi het dit verbrou.
Die de Lille saga het baie mense ook weg gedruk.
Die ANC lede wat orgeloop het agv. Jacob Zuma gaan ook nou terugkeer.
Die narritief dat 'n mens moet DA stem omdat "we are not the ANC" vlous niemand meer nie.
COPE, VFPlus. Stem vir iemand wat actually iets doen omtrent die probleme in die land, DA het hulle kans gehad.
Hulle het my stem verloor, ek glo die stem van baie ander ook,
@Gonzo, I agree that the DA governs better than the ANC, but that is not a big feat, as the ANC has very low standards. I also understand the necessity of keeping the ANC out, but a vote for the DA for myself and many others would be to sell out our values. The DA support many despicable policies, and I just can't vote for those things
@Gonzo, al wen die DA die verkiesing in 2024, is daar die baie werklike moontlikheid dat hulle net soos die ANC tewerk sal gaan. Gaan kyk maar gerus hoe die DA hulle waardes begin verander het oor die laaste paar jaar. Hulle ondersteun ook Afffirmative Action, en praat ook nou al van White Privilege ens. Op die ou einde sal hulle enigiets doen om die swart stem te kry, en wat hulle op die oomblik doen is om te verander in 'n ANC lite.
@Gonzo ekt nog altyd die indruk gehad dat boere nie regtig polities savvy is nie - hulle is meer soos mense wat dink aan ingeneurs tipe probleme en oplossings - maar ek dink die nuwe generasie kan dinge verander, dit is net belangrik om kultuur op te bou en jongmense sterk te maak
Dan kan hulle politieke probleme aanvat
Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
Oe la la. Dit is super vinnig om 'n DA ondersteuner te "trigger". 😅
Dit was nog altyd maklik om linkses te trigger @Klipkop (Clip-Cop)
Wil nie my waardes onder die bus gooi nie.. Ek bly weg van DA af
Wait for it..... ons gaan nou weer 'n hele boekdeel kry hoekom ons geen ander keuse het as om DA te stem nie....
@Gonzo ek het so verneem, ek spot maar net so bietjie. Maar jy kannie stry dat die DA links is nie
Die ANC is net verder links
En die EFF nog verder
Daai is meer kans vat aa wat dit 'n oplossing is
My oplossing is om kleiner partye groter te maak wat actually veg vir minderheids regte. Heel eenvoudig.
Dis die probleem met Suid Afrika. Suid Afrikaners is bereid om teen hulle beginsels te stem, net omdat hulle glo dis die enigste oplossing teen die ANC. In ander lande kry mens dit nie
Jip, geloof is laag...
Kom voice toe
Ja ons het n demokrasie, so jy will n demokrasie wat die swart meerderheid verkies uitruil vir nog demokrasie wat nou ook die swart meerderheid verkies? Kan ons tog 'n beter plan he as dit, om weg te kom van 'n demokrasie af, sodat almal gelyk kan wees, maak nie saak wat die meerderheid voel nie?
GOSA vs SAPS Summary
Judgement handed down:
1) it is directed that SAPS are prohibited from any plan of action to collect surrendered firearms
2) this application is postponed to the normal roll
3) that by declaratory order of court the periods in 24 etc of the Act may be extended for people to apply on good cause shown
4) The Feb 2016 directive is withdrawn
5) the IT system of CFR must be repaired to accept late renewals
6) SAPS is ordered to issue a directive that the IT system be repaired
7) Any late renewal apps must show good cause
8)any applicant shall be deemed to be in lawful possession
@Sheamus Ek sal se dit is juis die skelm rond voeter om terug te kry wat die probleem is. Hoekom kan ons nie net reguit na die eindpunt toe gaan nie en net ons waardes behou? Is ons waardes so vikeerd dat ons eintlik onderhand moet speel en rond voeter met risks? Dit voel rerig skelm as ek nou rerig eerlik is met jou. Probeer jou nie sleg se nie, net ek dink klink soos 'n kak plan. En COPE is 'n mors van tyd in my opinie, lekota is 'n kommie.
For all those who think the DA is the solution to SA's problems ☝
@Gonzo I fully agree with you that Afrikaners should not be running away. Our place is on the Southern tip of Africa, and always has been. I just think that party politics are not the solution to the problems we face. I agree with you that the DA govern better than the ANC ever could, but in the end, their policies are just as discriminatory as the ANC's policies. If only Afrikaners could for once stand together and make a plan for our future, that would be a major step in the right direction. I still believe the best solution would be secession and our own Volkstaat, but we need to pull together in order to accomplish something like that. A referendum would then be needed, and we would need to decide on which area would be suitable for something like that. However, I think most Afrikaners are too comfortable with their current circumstances, and wouldn't want to move to another territory and leave everything behind (which is understandable). It is a complex situation.
I agree that would be a good start, but even if the Western Cape consists out of 80% Afrikaners, we would still be under the socialist policies of the government of South Africa. The ultimate solution has to be a separate Afrikaner state.
Yes true, but my point is, even if we elect our own political party to govern the province, we would still be required to operate within the South African constitution, and we would also still be forced to apply the socialist policies of the South African government.
We would still be paying tax for NHI for instance
But we would still be paying social taxes for others. The government would still have the capacity to redistribute portions of our taxes to other people. And if the constitution were to be changed to allow for Land expropriation without compensation for instance, we would still be affected, because we would still be part of South Africa. The only way to sidestep all of these issues, is to secede from South Africa, and form our own Volkstaat
Pretty sure people will go to the cape almost without hesitation, if there is property for homes they actually can afford and work for them to do. Voting DA, that is in full support of BEE, and looking to appeal to the black majority through identity politics, is not going to make that happen. The idea to gather us there in the Cape is a good idea, but to get everyone to vote DA is not. Majority want to punish them for pushing identity politics and wanting to defend BEE, to let them know we don't like to get played. Take a moment to reflect on the idiots that complain about the ANC, but keep voting ANC. Why are we to be like them? Should we not lead by example and actually stop supporting the fruitful works of evil? After all, real leadership is what is lacking.
@Gonzo fair enough, but weren't you pushing to vote DA last night, or have you given up on that argument now?
I see the DA vote as stability for a while,not an end solution. Stopping corruption and having services delivered to people is a start,and the DA is doing that in WC, and in parts in the EC,so they at least do their work.
@Gonzo The picture on the left is the ANC, and the picture on the right is the DA
Newer small parties can be formed lol, dude, what makes you think the DA, once in power will not use the same scare tactics the ANC is using? We see the ANC telling masses vote ANC or the boere will take over again. If the DA is starting to play the same game as the ANC, don't you expect to see the DA saying vote DA or the ANC takes over again? They are playing the same game... Small parties afterwards mean nothing. The DA is literally sugarcoating the actual problem here. As for COPE, yeah what lekota says really sounds good, especially if you are a boer, but he openly acknowledges he is still ANC. A good tree produces good fruit, a corrupt tree produces corrupt fruit. A good tree cannot produce corrupt fruit and neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit. If lekota is loyal to ANC, and the ANC is measured by its fruitful works, then it's obvious what COPE is. As for VF, I'll have to look more into it, i haven't really looked much into them, but i don't have an opinion on them at the moment. But i still have a problem with your method of reasoning, to support the fruitful works of evil for your own selfish desires. Just don't, focus your strategy towards getting everyone in the cape, then we can say stuff you and your shitty politics, we will do our own thing, and then we can get out of this Democratic rule and bring back the rule of law that is above the rule of lowly man. This methodical scheming and deception you suggest is only giving more power and legitimacy to the problem, which doesn't allow us to solve the root cause, and instead forces us to treat the symptoms.
I'm not going to tell you who to vote for, only a politician will do that, and I'm no politician. But i am trying to reason with you, so that you can be more reasonable about your choices. You value your vote in a democracy, that value is your investment in a democracy, and like any business, investment drives the growth and legitimacy of that business. Politics is business as usual, dont forget that. Vote with your wallet people will say, and if all your options are not worth your money, don't waste your money. Save it, and then invest in something else.
The DA does really good with their maintenance and governance, i get that's why you would prefer them, but it's in their best interest to make you dependent on them, but why depend on them, why depend on politics even. We have a rule of law that makes us all equal given to us by our creator, and politics really only is a means to wiggle our way out of that rule of law, to justify inequality, by feeding on our prejudices and making us dependent on our overlords to defend us from righteous judgement. Why be dependent, why not be independent? Why not steer away from the distraction of politics and the dependency of a government, and look toward independence from a government?
The idea that we ought to come together in the Cape is a great idea me thinks, we can just not play the political game and not invest in it, and say we want out of that political game and return to a rule of law that is intended to keep the unrighteous out, and away, and that vote can be better invested in our community and what we ought to prioritize. That's how i see it personally. We should be independent from a government, hence whatever government we do put together will be limited and small, and will face the judgement of the people if they so decide to pave a way to hell with their good intentions to make us dependent on them.
My last words on this topic is this. The road to the hell is paved with good intentions. I don't think you are a bad person, i think you mean well, obviously. But you are helping to pave the way forward to hell, and i just want you to see it for what it is, to understand what that means when i say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Give it some thought, look at this globalist democratic agenda, listen to the the shit they say, you can't deny they mean well, but you can see the results there of is bringing the world closer to hell... Just recognize the truth, and be reasonable about it.
We are not as independent as you may think we are, we may support the means and ideas of independence, but in fact we are very divided preventing us from actually being independent, and the division now makes us dependent on our saviour the DA, that will unite different perceptions and beliefs, and promise to bring peace... There is a principle that already dictates the way this unfolds... Orania is independent, we who are not in Orania or our own version of paradise, we are not independent. Hence why i say, good idea to come together. Orania didn't come into existence by playing shady political games, they recognised the truth, came together and made a plan, and acted out accordingly. We can do the same thing, but this distraction of politics is just that, a distraction.
The DA support BEE... And they think we who are white are too privileged. Why would they support your idea, and if they do, what makes you think they will keep the majority vote?
Again, i do see where you are coming from, i really do... But they are the ANC lite only because they don't hold majority power, and if they get into power, they will become the ANC.
Yes and it will reflect poorly on the DA, and the majority will compell them to do something about it, because democracy, and if they don't, the ANC just says, told you so, the EFF says told you so, BLF says told you so... And then you will realize the hell that was paved.
Sorry man, I know you mean well, and i just really can't keep going in circles. Let me know when you want to talk about independence from a democratic rule, a plan of action, not some shady strategy to get back at the ANC. This just sounds like cutting off your own nose to spite your own face.
The US is not a democracy, in spite of the lie that you keep hearing from their democrats. I agree, dividing us up into self governed states is a better idea, it's a step up, but will need to make the necessary adjustments to our constitution for that i believe, which requires a particular large vote in support. It will probably be easier to just get together somewhere, and secede from the country through legal means, without really offending or forcing the rest of the country to follow the dictation of the minority, and then establish ourselves independently like Orania. Less risk that way, they did it and look at them, they materialized it, and we need to follow in their footsteps, and go in the same direction, if we intend to have what they have.
My bad then, I apologise. Probably not the best example to make. I do admit that it was based off of an assumption and here i am, made an ass over it 😅 but okay, they still made it happen without playing shady politics, just got it done.
Personally I think secession will be necessary to avoid the shift in power that state will achieve to expropriate private property. Its a pity, i genuinely thought Orania seceded, maybe it was their own currency that mislead my understanding, i made the mistake of judging on appearance. Lol but as such I'll reinforce righteous judgement. Thank you for correcting me @Gonzo
@Gonzo @Sheamus I must say, as an American who has been following the situation in SA for a year or so (and I am of course by no means an expert), I must say that you both make fantastic points and arguments that I think are worth deep consideration. I would ask the gentleman who seems to be in favor of supporting the DA, albeit as a first step/temporary solution, that, lets say Afrikanners do, somehow, migrate/reproduce enmass in the Western Cape; I hear the ANC is attempting to flood the province with its members/supporters; even if this is not true, what's to say that mass amounts of blacks would not flood into the WC and simply takeover from the whites? Are invidivual provinces in SA allowed to have their own "immigration systems". Enjoying the discussion immensley fellows! 😃
@Gonzo The federal state solution is the easiest short term solution, but will still kill us in the long run. Any provincial law will have to be subject to the current constitution, which is already a product of bs ideas. The state can also pass laws that counter or circumvent any provincial law that you would want to enact so you are still at the mercy of the MAJORITY. Even if we seceded to a federal type state, whites are still only 8%. In a democracy, you will still be subject to the mob which means (in the case of the cape) you'll just be ruled by mongrels in stead of blacks.
Now here's the kicker: This is going to happen. Because there is already 1 and a half generation that have been conditioned to accept the mongrel as an equal because they mostly speak our language and have adopted our customs and habits to alarge degree. Your children will be further conditioned and socialised at school to assimilate through proximity and the school system while the (((media))) conditions them to think mescegenation is acceptable, cool or preferable.
So yes, you might win for one generation, but your children and granchildren will not survive.
@$P!KY\/!k!NG And because peaple are desperate for a solution they will think this is a godsend when really it is a delayed death warrant.
@HoppeanSnake_ZA I agree half and half. I believe in volksraad. A council of men from your own people. Voting is reserved for those who pay taxes and have children and have served the nation. IQ tests and genetic tests should be mandatory to ensure that only the best have a say in the future of the NATION. The council and any state official that is guilty of corruption should be seen as betraying the trust vested in them by the volk and therefore are traitors to the volk. Death must be swift. Serving on the council must be a burden. A terrifying burden.
You want this party to rule?
@Gonzo Is the envisioned future according to these youth posters saving our culture?
@Gonzo lol you get used to it, he is just obsessed with race like the liberal left are. If only [insert race] could be done away with, all problems would be solved. As if there aren't bigger and more concerning problems that go deeper than skin.
@Gonzo Okay correct me if I'm wrong. Your plan is for all the afrikaners to give our votes to the (((DA))) to remove the (((ANC)))? Then we all move to a certain province to become the majority ruled by the (((DA))). Then we ask the (((DA))) if we can have a federal type state where we have more control over governmental systems so that we can take power away from the (((DA)))? Then once we have our own party, we let the free(mason) market rule through its networks?
And the ultimate end goal is saving our culture?
Much better argument that
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