nevermind

Why?

Wait why?

nevermind

god is christian

You know us can tell us anything, Kitty.

not liking Jews is just anti-Semitism sorry to say

As I said, we are here for you.

was christ an atheist?

i doubt God worships himself

you could not like the Jewish religion, but

you can't hate jews

It's not a Religion

how can christ not believe he exists

God died twice for our sins. Once through his suicide to birth us and twice through Jesus.

he committed suicide to birth us?

*big bang

ye

God is Everything.

but when did he commit suicide tho

At the beginning.

She has to believe that because she is swayed into Liberal-Bolshevism

is there any biblical mention of it?

And when we join him the Cycle will go on.

Big Bang and death of Christ

or any scholarly interpretation of religious works?

Yes.

✝

It's simple logistics. Everything once was one, before Big Bang. Once the explosion/death, eventually came us.

God is Everything = Pre Big Bang.

wait so you believe the Big Bang happened?

That was God.

oh nevermind

so what is your opinion the Big Bang happened 6000 years ago, or 13 billion years ago?

@Kitty there was something you wanted to mention earlier?

no

its ok

dont worry about it

I really do want to help!

Natural Philosophy has embedded it's roots into Alchemy and the Occult. Sir Issac Newton, while having taken the Bible seriously, was heavily involved in the Occult. Yet another portion of History withheld and removed from teaching in the indoctrination camps we all attended. I hope and pray that people will wake up to the reality of the sinister agenda behind Psuedoscience.

https://youtu.be/vJnYJiVCB9E

if he invented gravity why was i successfully able to measure it in my own home

@BurritoPlanet oh neat you did an experiment? Could you post the video and data

Rene Descartes was a devout Christian and yet also laid the foundation for modern geometry.

youtube channel has my name etc on it so i'd rather not sorry

Lol okay

Got the exact same result as all the other youtube videos i've seen tho

We will just take your word for it..You proved it. Einstein was right everyone. Gravity warps time and space

I'm no scientist but science has historically been tied closely with christianity and god.

you don't have to take my word for it, i didn't say you should

have you tried that experiment?

So you measured what ?

The separation of religion and science is a modern invention probably created by governments to separate people.

Its a mathematical construct

i measured a tiny force between masses

got the exact same force with different materials, i did it with lead, a bag of concrete and bowling balls

So what you proved is that scales can show you the same numbers

i didn't use a scale so no

what did you use

a torsion balance

i dont know what that is so I'm not sure if i trust it

it's literally a plank suspended by fishing line

there's basically no force to resist it so you can use it to measure tiny forces

You're presupposing that balance is caused by gravity

it doesnt have to be

i also tried it with a bunch of different types of wire and got the same result with all of them

what i measured was an attractive force proportional to the mass, isn't that what gravity is?

it was all pulled down though

you could also easily have proven a constant downward pull

nothing to do with mass

a universal pull downward

maybe that's the case but what i measured here wasn't downward

what

it appears to be 2 masses attracting each other

like a magnet?

kinda

but doesn't seem to depend on the material or anything, only the mass

that's why i did it with several different masses

@Kitty Sadly, that is what main stream indoctrination would have you to believe. GOD is exposes the satanic occultists and their agendas. Psuedoscience is a Religion embedded in the Occult.

Descartes loved GOD

@Kitty so did, Newton, supposedly. Digging deeper we find, he did take the Bible seriously but much of his passion was Alchemy and he was directly linked to the Occult.

The Occult is only dangerous if you give it power

choose to believe in Good and you have nothing to worry about

also socrates and ephimetus were not in any way linked to the occult

@Kitty I quite beg to differ. White Magic is yet another angle of satan to delude people into disregarding GOD and looking to him for power. He is a deciever and a liar. He transforms himself into an angel of light, as GODs Word clearly warns us!

Angels and Devils are the same in core DEVILS are only angels who have fallen for not belonging to GOOD

Satan decieves yes but if you believe in the GOOD in nature as Ephimetus did you will see that maths can also help to prove GOD

I am not sure about Socrates or Ephimetus, I am sure a bit of research would link them as well

Yes fallen angels are demons, but theu don't always portray themselves as such, hence how one could become deceived.

I encourage you to research Ephimetus's work and find ONE INSTANCE OF SATANIC OCCULTISM

There is none I assure you of that.

There is only one that is good, that is GOD. Biblically every angel serving GOD would immediately demand that the humans they encountered would not worship them but worship GOD, and GOD alone. If an "angel" is trying to convince a person to utilize their power or to worship them they are the fallen ones trying to deceive.

A very christian notion to be sure, but if you believe in the MULTIPLICATIVE GOD as I do you begin to see that Angels too can be good of intent and bring fine will.

You are TRAPPED within your notion of a singular GOD

I encourage you to research the multiplicative GOD and see what truths can be attained within those texts

Tell me Kitty, in your belief system how does one deal with evil and sin?

Kindness and understanding can heal all wounds

as well as the application of JUSTICE by the state

in cases where kindness fails

So, abide by ones own individual moral code?

No

The moral code of all

i.e. society as prescribed by god's intent and will

What is the moral code of all and whom wrote it?

whom wrote the bible?

your reasoning is cylindrical

i am sorry i do not mean to offend

i am impassioned at present

The Holy Ghost, the spirit of GOD himself. The problem with humanity is their insatiable desire to eliminate being accountable to GOD. The enemy is aware of this and decieves accordingly.

YES and the bible is where societal law MUST come from.

No worries, I to am extremely passionate for souls to find freedom and be reconciled to GOD.

One must only believe in the GOOD of people and the spirit of the holy ghost to see that all people can be united in kind spirit

this can be done with science and maths too if you only see the good in them

the occult is not as frightening as you say

no

it is not

I have seen enough evil within me to know that without CHRIST, the true goodness, I have nothing to offer and can do no good thing.

Then perhaps you should look inward for this strife you ascribe so readily to others

blaming the occult is easy

to see the GOOD in people is the harder truth

I do see the good in true Science, it is applicable and solidifies the truth of GODs creation. Psuedoscience does the exact opposite, the intent is evil, pursuing a discredit of GOD entirely. It is a religion that is based in equations that can not be proven in observable experiments, thus leaving us to blindly believe in what the greats of the Psuedoscience faith say to be truth.

I believe GOD wanted us to know the way out of this satanic evil mess. I am compelled to share the way, no need to get offended.

What would you put in the category of pseudoscience

and what is "True Science"

nice

Indoctrination camps have regurgitated the narrative of Psuedoscience, we memorized the names of the greats of the faith and let our minds go blank in accepting that those that were smarter than ourselves would never have an agenda to lie to us.

Indoctrination camps lol

I have access to this channel now??

I do not have any passion to waste my time in digging into the Psuedoscience that I see quite clearly to be nothing more than a Religion where man is worshipped rather than GOD.

There are many in the truth community that have the gift of digging into the real Science behind the Flat Earth. Many on this server. I am passionate about GODs Word and how it directly exposes the pride of man and the satanic evil that is behind all the deceptions.

what a train wreck

I agree Hugh, this "World" is a train wreck!

no im more concerned about you saying Christianity is not a religion while simultaneously quoting the bible

Did he say that?

I haven't scrolled up

Religion is a man based belief system where one is to work for their right standing with GOD. It simply is impossible to do so. It is the way that seems right unto man but the way thereof is destruction. The law puts every man in their place, exposing us all to be the sinners that we are. No one man is better than another.

but christianity is a religion

and you follow a religion

@Hugh If it makes you feel better to call it a Religion than do so. I simply do not because that term links me to the works based belief systems of the World. People have been using scripture out of context for ages and creating false belief systems. I was apart of "Religion" for years and it turned me into a proud arrogant pharisee.

It is a part of the belief system whether it fits your reality or not
you literally follow a book written by man

GOD proclaimed that HIS Holy Spirt wrote the Word. I have gone through many doubts in my walk and every time GOD has solidified the Truth of HIS Word. Believers of the Psuedoscience Religion have faith in the men that wrote their religious text without ever bringing GOD into the picture. Psuedoscience is a Religion, a belief system that does not hold up to the true Scientific method. Thus it is by faith that one believes in Psuedoscience. We all worship something. I choose to worship GOD, not man!

>I believe in bible because it is said in the bible that holy spirit wrote it

@Hugh I find it rather interesting that you choose to scrutinize me for believing the Word of GOD, when your entire reality is based on all you have learned from words in all the "Books" you were commanded to read in the indoctrination camps we all attended.We all worship, we all have faith, we all have a belief system. I choose to worship GOD the Creator!

okay i hate discord

my question is how do you whats the word of GOD

and im an atheist

@Hugh I appologize if I sound a bit irritated, but I am quite honestly. I am constantly ridiculed for believing in GOD.

I share my faith because I care about souls!

no thats fine
only reason im questioning you is because we're in the debate hall

GODs Word is alive! I have walked through so much doubt and every time GOD has been true and HE revealed it in HIS Word!

I thought if you're not religious then you'd be simply a "theist" but then you claim to not be religious while believing in the bible

bible is a religious text

Quite honestly I would rather there be a discussion hall. Being in a debate format implies I am here to fluff up my ego and be "right". Coming to CHRIST, I found how wrong I had been.

@Hugh I have already explained why I do not attached my faith to "Religion". If that is what you desire to call it then that does not offend me.

It seems as though humanity tenaciously desires for all things to fit in the socially accepted boxes. I really do not care about the secular standards of society.

I love me some Jesus =]

So what things outside the bible, collaborate with it?

Re is a prefix meaning "return," and ligare means "to bind;" in other words, "return to bondage." aka religion

The Pharisees were "Religious" and they were the ones that JESUS opposed!

@DrPeper There is a plethra of Historical information that Citizen has shared in this Discord. Physical evidence of the events found in the Bible.

well, no there isnt much really

all the accounts from Roman sources are talking about chrisitians about 100ish after Jesus

http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/prophecy/353prophecies.html

theres a helpful link =]

that is the bible supporting Jesus

yea, but also predating Jesus by a few thousand years

but if i was making something else based on Jewish teachings, i would make sure they match up too

@DrPeper I would honestly be a bit skeptical of the information coming from the vantage point of the Roman empire.

its not bad that you are unawres of the bible, theres time to learn, hopefully =]

i asked for things outside the bible

Mitty, my point there is nothing from around the time that supports the bibl

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outside of the bible is lies, and unverified truths, why would u seek truth outside of the bible?

because if multiple sources go against the bible , why would i trust the one source that is different

you havent showed that it is 100% the truth

the prophecies fulfilled are evidence enough

I think he is looking into texts or information to prove the Bible to be true or false. If he is coming from the perspective of not believing the Bible to be true

Not even Clergy are Biblical inerrantsists

Nobody believes the Bible to be literally true. No one thinks Revelations is literal

i believe the bible to be literally true though, am i a nobody?

You're certainly not in the majority of Christian theology

i could agree hesitantly with that

@Christmas EveryDay I think he is looking for more historical

I believe GODs Word to be the final authority as well as absolute Truth!

Ye what I mean to say is that there are many different ways to interperet any text; there are multiple ways to define truth

Even incredibly important scholars in the Christian tradition to debate what "truth" is.

the bible says Jesus is the truth. Thats what i beliieve

Yeah but what is truth?

You can't really explain what it means for something to be true

=]

im just trying to play nice

I found that whatever "ist" glasses you look through will be the way one interprets scripture and hence the reason behind so many false belief systems.

Yeah, but a conversation on whether or not something is true is useless if two people cannot agree on what it means to be true. So you and DrPeper will have to E P I S T E M O L O G Y

Ovtherwise it'll be hopelessly circular

GOD resists the proud and gives Grace to the humble. If one comes to the scriptures arrogantly then they will see through a legalistic lens. If one comes humbly then GOD Graciously gives the ability to see Truth. The Word of GOD is alive!

It's how you analyze historic documents

You look for things that support it

With all due respect you're both spouting some shite

Looking for historical arguments for theology is futile to say the least

Try to rely on the anointing of the holy spirit to teach us

Ey mate I'm not saying anything about Christianity. I'm just saying these claims border upon the nonsensical

well if the world was able to understand, then the world would understand. right?

Yes

some things are spiritual, and cannot be understood physically.

Sure, but you don't need to rely on the Spirit to explain Christian theology

You can - you just don't have to; and something tells me, DrPeper ain't gonna accept the spiritual.

the bible says dont rely on your own understanding, theres that to consider.

The trinity is very important to Christianity

To rely on God's

The Spirit is still your understanding

You're just carving it up in a different set of semantics

right, the spirit is what we should seek to draw our understanding from, but be careful when you start seeking spiritual advice, some spirits only want to kill you

I reject the existence of the spiritual

lmao

ive experience the spirit realm on multiple occasions

A posteriori arguments are hard to make when I can point out experience csn be delusion

i wonder, was i as inquisitive as you ?

Think of it this way: you had an experience. That's true.

there were others who witnessed the same thing when i experienced it

its not like an only me thing

Ok, what was the experience?

No one can deny that. But why call it spiritual? You're stepping out of "this happened" and into "it must be this."

It could be a million people who hsd the experience, wouldn't make it any more or less spiritual

i saw a being of light that flashed neon colors watching me and some friends hanging out

it moved fast like a bolt of lightning

Sounds like electricity to me

this being of light took on the form of a gnome

What context? What were you been doing then?

about 3 feet tall and stalky

playing power rangers in the yard is what we were doing

Tbh

Millions of people also "experienced" whatever it is they claim the SS did

we saw it turning its head and looking at us, then running to the other side of the yard and looking at us again

What does the SS have to do with possible spiritual experiences?

So how is this spiritual? Why are we dubbing it has anything to do with spirit? Light sounds pretty physical to me

It's about knowledge-claims mate

im just sharing something me and a few friends experienced, this light being had a form and definition

That makes

By definition

It into a physical being

Thus not spiritual

how am i supposed to see a spiritual thing in the not physical?

You can't see spririt. That's what makes it spirit

Even occultists believe this mate

Odin, tearing out the eye? Third eye?