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and law

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terms like slave and servant were mixed

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I'd call the police on you

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we're not barbarians from 2000 years ago

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you cant have a slave in the US everyday

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hold on

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some would call slaves servants

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are you saying slavery is okay

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some servants were slaves

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a paided servent is differnt from a slave

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no im not saying its okay

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servent is a position

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slave is a peice of property

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Actually slavery is still legal in the US prison system *stay* *woke*

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shut it nerd

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then whats up with "what bothers you about buying slaves?"

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Look I heard it in a rap song and I need to bring it up everytime @DrPeper

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its aquestion meant to gather more understanding

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its pretty obvious why would anyone be against buying slaves

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its wrong

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yeah more understnding of how big your pocket book can get by profiting off the forced imprisionment of others πŸ˜‚

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i go into jails to minister not to mistreat

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you go to jail for having slaves

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this is second impressive mental gymnastics ive seen after derek

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i share the word of God with inmates who want to know about Jesus

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Ironically Christmas Everyday is being the devil's advocate in this situation

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thats for that off topic info you already shared

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someone said i mistreat the inmates or something

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i was redefining my position

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we are talking about slaves

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you know, the topic of the coversation

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slaves seems to be the ongoing theme

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it is an example we used

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of how the bible can be used to support two contradictory sides

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its pretty concerning how your reply to "has a verse telling ppl to buy slaves" was "whats bothers u about buying slaves"

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if you use eisogesis without exegesis, yes, you can gather a false idea

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so people didnt use the bible to support both sides

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my bad, i guess ill just go inform all the history books about slavery in the US to change things

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bro, the rabbit hole is pretty deep

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sounds the alars =]

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so, you dont see a problem with the bible being used for both sides?

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What's esiogesis and exegesis?

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your meaning vs intended meaning

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eisogesis is like bouncing ideas off verses to gather meaning, exegesis is understanding scripture as it is written and the culture it was written to, and the original meaning

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both are important

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Both sound flawed

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if it can used to justify any position then what makes you think you interpretation of the bible is correct

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i believe the way i understand the bible fits exegetically

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i will tell you how i feel about things like the authors intended meaning and trying to study that and sticking to it. It doesnt really matter what the author meant to say. All that matters is what people get out of it. If the author did a good enough job then people will get what the author intended. However, everyone is differnt they see things differnt. So if you get something differnt out of it. So what, its your personal views

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again, thats a general statement not just aimed at the bible

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i believe the bible, as its written, and as the holy spirit leads me

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and let it lead you how you think it does, but you cant be surprised when someone differnt from you sees the bible saying much differnt things

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As the holy spirit leads you seems like you allow your own baises to lead your reading

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again, eisogesis should be in line with exegesis

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but it isnt

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it wont be

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it was written 2000 years ago, people are differnt

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people view the world differntly then people 2000 years ago did

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you dont understand so it cant be, is that your arguement?

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no, my arguement is that its a written text and people view things differently and sometimes in a contradictory way.

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so its impossible to have a one size fits all aproach

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which is what you are saying

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i said before everyone has a very personal relationship with Jesus Christ

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which would be a reason why a text cant fit everyone

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so it doesnt have a particular intrepretation

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cant fit and agree with everyone

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[1 John 2:27]

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yes what fluff said. There cant be one solid definit meaning

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everyone gets differnt meanings from it

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[1 peter 3:18]

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does that have more than 1 meaning?

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how can we know?

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good answer

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how can we know the "true" meaning of it if everyone is gonna have a different interpretattion

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i bet i can easily come up with multiple meanings for that

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You need the holy spirit living inside of you to teach you

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Jesus was going to be killed painfully for sins he committed, some times he commited the crimes for a just reason some times for an unjust. He wanted to show us how to get closer to god. He was going tokilled but was given a burst of energy and was able to escape punishment

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i love you and i greatly appreciate your interest

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there is a diffenrt interperation of that passage

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[2 Corinthians 5:21]

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God made a new sin in the world to replace the other ones so that we would be better for him

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at least we can agree with bible having different interpretations

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Right, Jesus paid the price for sin, so that by simply putting our faith in Jesus we can be reunited with the Father of spirits.

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that isnt what i said

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God sent Jesus to take our sin onto himself so that we would be better equipped to be with God, having the righteousness of Jesus Christ

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i mean, yeah i know what its suppose to say

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that isnt the point i am making though

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i restated your statement though

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you actually didnt

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i am saying that Jesus is sin

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"God made a new sin in the world to replace the other ones so that we would be better for him"

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and that Jesus replaces the other sins

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yes, Jesus took all the sin onto himself

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this is just proving my point even more

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because you dont understand, you think youre winning?

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thats okay

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i am purposly giving a differnt meaning to prove a point

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can u be more direct with your words

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that you can view the bible in differnt ways. And those differnt ways dont always fit together

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dont try to lead me in thought please

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[Romans 8:28]

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so he purposfully made a book that can be interpeted multiple ways

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often i find ppl arguing with me feeding me bread crumbs of ideas to follow

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i mean no offense to you

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yeah, people dont usally front load an arguement

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[1 Corinthians 3:2]

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i understand

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That's how arguments work, you bulid a big idea up from small ones. If you drop the big idea first you lose an opportunity to learn

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i want the meatiest parts

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i love the bible

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I could live without it myself

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its a good thing ppl are always learning then

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i hope you find your way

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it has a few nice morals in it

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but meh to most of it

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I'm not incredibly fussed myself about religion but I know it gives people a lot of help. I am not anti religion as others are. I have my own reasons why I'm against it for myself

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please try not to take offence to me

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i will take defense with you

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thanks for sticking up for me down by the river =]

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(i love everyone in the world)

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what a cute thing to say

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i know

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we love u too

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Yeah no hard feelings about any of this, if a debate isn't fun it isn't worth it

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I learnt a fair bit just reading

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as an young hip edgy aithiest nihilist i hate everyone

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fuck you too peper

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Pepper more like pooper

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theres always something to learn, i learned more too =]

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did you know the battleship that brought the ottoman empire into ww1 was turned into razor blades

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something shredded it?

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Don't you love being an ***aithiest***

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that was a good boat...i never even had the chance to meet it

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it was ok

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not amazing

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So does it mean you worship the AI

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Since ai theist

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aircraft carriers are modified cruiser class ships

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did u know that?

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some where

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i know the 1st Lexington was

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ya, they prob just build ac from the start anymore

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and there were 2 jap ones

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the only reason they were t first heavy crusiers was because of the Wshington Naval Limitation Treaty

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i assumed it was bc of limited funding

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it was to limit size of navies to help avery war

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Britian US and Japan signed

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its been lovely talking with everyone, i need some food and a nap

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gnite every1 =]

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no nsp

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or naps

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lol ok

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but i need food

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2 cups of coffee with no food

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im an ai-theist too

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I will whip you

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mucho mejor =]

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food makes me happy

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Thanks for that debate a few minutes ago, you did really good =]

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I was impressed

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It was a good discussion, thanks :D

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are u in the usa?

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that might be part of why i enjoyed you lmao, too many americans get belligerant in debates

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Peper is murican though

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being american doesnt make someone tough to reason with, but a lot of americans seem closed minded

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I see

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can i share something with you?

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Where are you from Christmas?

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im in the usa =]

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i will message you bc i dont want it to be a distraction for others

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Americans arent close minded, just people dont understand that america is always right @Christmas EveryDay

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Lol true

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@Christmas EveryDay where I'm from in America I would say Americans are close minded :3

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Is being gay a sin? or like, against what you believe?

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random question sorry

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Its not the natural way to live

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Its backwards

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well would you condem people to death or something?

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No of course not

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Im not the judge. I just have my own opinion

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Awesome haha. That question helps me understand someone quickly

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You're better than 99% of others I've asked

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Ppl say they should die?

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people say many people should die

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I never heard anyone say that being serious

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gays, people of non-religion, etc

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It's,,, very eerie

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it's not something I would want to dwell on heh

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gays are as much as a sin as protected sex sooooo

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Oh? Is protected sex a sin? I honestly don't know

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well if its not for reproduction its a sin

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Ahh okay

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but those lines where wrote by sexless, lonely, shamefull old men so tbh who knows

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Mr.J being real

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i mean they have making fun of bald people a stoneable offence

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*those darn bald people... /s*

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@Firefurry We are all sinners from the beginning. Wether it be homosexuality, a temper such I struggle with, addictions, gossip, slander, greed. We are all in the same boat. It is simply recognizing our need for a Savior and looking to HIM to save us. The law was given because it is good and it exposes us all to be the sinners that GOD says we are. To help us to see our need for a Savior. Trusting in our ability to obey it creates arrogant pharisees, the very ones that JESUS opposed. That is why there are so many religions in the world.

2018-09-23 14:03:34 UTC

Gotta run! Bless you Firefurry!

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Take care, and why thank you!

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This Documentary lifts the veil for those that have eyes to see and ears to hear! This is where the rabbit hole of the truth movement confronts the deeply sinister plot behind the deceptions! You will find the enemy shamefully exposed and the concentrated hate behind the agenda revealed! The correlation between Science and Spiritual Idolatry is clearly defined. So few are willing to lay aside the insatiable ego and follow the bread crumbs to which each exposed lie is guiding them.

2018-09-25 17:33:44 UTC

Haha Bible studies... They're like my second most favourite book clubs

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