#creation-vs-evolution (Discord ID: 484515915069784085) in The Ice Wall, page 5
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terms like slave and servant were mixed
I'd call the police on you
we're not barbarians from 2000 years ago
you cant have a slave in the US everyday
some would call slaves servants
are you saying slavery is okay
some servants were slaves
a paided servent is differnt from a slave
no im not saying its okay
servent is a position
slave is a peice of property
Actually slavery is still legal in the US prison system *stay* *woke*
shut it nerd
then whats up with "what bothers you about buying slaves?"
Look I heard it in a rap song and I need to bring it up everytime @DrPeper
its aquestion meant to gather more understanding
its pretty obvious why would anyone be against buying slaves
yeah more understnding of how big your pocket book can get by profiting off the forced imprisionment of others 😂
i go into jails to minister not to mistreat
you go to jail for having slaves
this is second impressive mental gymnastics ive seen after derek
i share the word of God with inmates who want to know about Jesus
Ironically Christmas Everyday is being the devil's advocate in this situation
thats for that off topic info you already shared
someone said i mistreat the inmates or something
i was redefining my position
we are talking about slaves
you know, the topic of the coversation
slaves seems to be the ongoing theme
it is an example we used
of how the bible can be used to support two contradictory sides
its pretty concerning how your reply to "has a verse telling ppl to buy slaves" was "whats bothers u about buying slaves"
if you use eisogesis without exegesis, yes, you can gather a false idea
so people didnt use the bible to support both sides
my bad, i guess ill just go inform all the history books about slavery in the US to change things
bro, the rabbit hole is pretty deep
sounds the alars =]
so, you dont see a problem with the bible being used for both sides?
What's esiogesis and exegesis?
your meaning vs intended meaning
eisogesis is like bouncing ideas off verses to gather meaning, exegesis is understanding scripture as it is written and the culture it was written to, and the original meaning
both are important
Both sound flawed
if it can used to justify any position then what makes you think you interpretation of the bible is correct
i believe the way i understand the bible fits exegetically
i will tell you how i feel about things like the authors intended meaning and trying to study that and sticking to it. It doesnt really matter what the author meant to say. All that matters is what people get out of it. If the author did a good enough job then people will get what the author intended. However, everyone is differnt they see things differnt. So if you get something differnt out of it. So what, its your personal views
again, thats a general statement not just aimed at the bible
i believe the bible, as its written, and as the holy spirit leads me
and let it lead you how you think it does, but you cant be surprised when someone differnt from you sees the bible saying much differnt things
As the holy spirit leads you seems like you allow your own baises to lead your reading
again, eisogesis should be in line with exegesis
but it isnt
it wont be
it was written 2000 years ago, people are differnt
people view the world differntly then people 2000 years ago did
you dont understand so it cant be, is that your arguement?
no, my arguement is that its a written text and people view things differently and sometimes in a contradictory way.
so its impossible to have a one size fits all aproach
which is what you are saying
i said before everyone has a very personal relationship with Jesus Christ
which would be a reason why a text cant fit everyone
so it doesnt have a particular intrepretation
cant fit and agree with everyone
[1 John 2:27]
yes what fluff said. There cant be one solid definit meaning
everyone gets differnt meanings from it
[1 peter 3:18]
does that have more than 1 meaning?
how can we know?
how can we know the "true" meaning of it if everyone is gonna have a different interpretattion
i bet i can easily come up with multiple meanings for that
You need the holy spirit living inside of you to teach you
Jesus was going to be killed painfully for sins he committed, some times he commited the crimes for a just reason some times for an unjust. He wanted to show us how to get closer to god. He was going tokilled but was given a burst of energy and was able to escape punishment
i love you and i greatly appreciate your interest
there is a diffenrt interperation of that passage
[2 Corinthians 5:21]
God made a new sin in the world to replace the other ones so that we would be better for him
at least we can agree with bible having different interpretations
Right, Jesus paid the price for sin, so that by simply putting our faith in Jesus we can be reunited with the Father of spirits.
that isnt what i said
God sent Jesus to take our sin onto himself so that we would be better equipped to be with God, having the righteousness of Jesus Christ
i mean, yeah i know what its suppose to say
that isnt the point i am making though
i restated your statement though
you actually didnt
i am saying that Jesus is sin
"God made a new sin in the world to replace the other ones so that we would be better for him"
and that Jesus replaces the other sins
yes, Jesus took all the sin onto himself
this is just proving my point even more
because you dont understand, you think youre winning?
i am purposly giving a differnt meaning to prove a point
can u be more direct with your words
that you can view the bible in differnt ways. And those differnt ways dont always fit together
dont try to lead me in thought please
so he purposfully made a book that can be interpeted multiple ways
often i find ppl arguing with me feeding me bread crumbs of ideas to follow
i mean no offense to you
yeah, people dont usally front load an arguement
[1 Corinthians 3:2]
That's how arguments work, you bulid a big idea up from small ones. If you drop the big idea first you lose an opportunity to learn
i want the meatiest parts
i love the bible
I could live without it myself
its a good thing ppl are always learning then
i hope you find your way
it has a few nice morals in it
but meh to most of it
I'm not incredibly fussed myself about religion but I know it gives people a lot of help. I am not anti religion as others are. I have my own reasons why I'm against it for myself
please try not to take offence to me
i will take defense with you
thanks for sticking up for me down by the river =]
(i love everyone in the world)
what a cute thing to say
we love u too
Yeah no hard feelings about any of this, if a debate isn't fun it isn't worth it
I learnt a fair bit just reading
as an young hip edgy aithiest nihilist i hate everyone
fuck you too peper
Pepper more like pooper
theres always something to learn, i learned more too =]
did you know the battleship that brought the ottoman empire into ww1 was turned into razor blades
something shredded it?
Don't you love being an ***aithiest***
that was a good boat...i never even had the chance to meet it
SHUT IT NERD
it was ok
So does it mean you worship the AI
Since ai theist
aircraft carriers are modified cruiser class ships
did u know that?
i know the 1st Lexington was
ya, they prob just build ac from the start anymore
and there were 2 jap ones
the only reason they were t first heavy crusiers was because of the Wshington Naval Limitation Treaty
i assumed it was bc of limited funding
it was to limit size of navies to help avery war
Britian US and Japan signed
its been lovely talking with everyone, i need some food and a nap
gnite every1 =]
but i need food
2 cups of coffee with no food
im an ai-theist too
I will whip you
mucho mejor =]
food makes me happy
Thanks for that debate a few minutes ago, you did really good =]
I was impressed
It was a good discussion, thanks :D
are u in the usa?
that might be part of why i enjoyed you lmao, too many americans get belligerant in debates
Peper is murican though
being american doesnt make someone tough to reason with, but a lot of americans seem closed minded
can i share something with you?
Where are you from Christmas?
im in the usa =]
i will message you bc i dont want it to be a distraction for others
Americans arent close minded, just people dont understand that america is always right @Christmas EveryDay
@Christmas EveryDay where I'm from in America I would say Americans are close minded :3
Is being gay a sin? or like, against what you believe?
random question sorry
Its not the natural way to live
well would you condem people to death or something?
No of course not
Im not the judge. I just have my own opinion
Awesome haha. That question helps me understand someone quickly
You're better than 99% of others I've asked
Ppl say they should die?
people say many people should die
I never heard anyone say that being serious
gays, people of non-religion, etc
It's,,, very eerie
it's not something I would want to dwell on heh
gays are as much as a sin as protected sex sooooo
Oh? Is protected sex a sin? I honestly don't know
well if its not for reproduction its a sin
but those lines where wrote by sexless, lonely, shamefull old men so tbh who knows
Mr.J being real
i mean they have making fun of bald people a stoneable offence
*those darn bald people... /s*
@Firefurry We are all sinners from the beginning. Wether it be homosexuality, a temper such I struggle with, addictions, gossip, slander, greed. We are all in the same boat. It is simply recognizing our need for a Savior and looking to HIM to save us. The law was given because it is good and it exposes us all to be the sinners that GOD says we are. To help us to see our need for a Savior. Trusting in our ability to obey it creates arrogant pharisees, the very ones that JESUS opposed. That is why there are so many religions in the world.
Gotta run! Bless you Firefurry!
Take care, and why thank you!
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