a more probably explanation would be that there was some evolution, but eventually the full thing was just added to the simulation

that's why we have species very close to humans

Is it actually more probable though?

As indeed we require far more assertions to make a simulated reality than we require if we do not.

God's footprint 3,6,9 et 432Hzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd7JPRCZpRk&feature=youtu.be

@Thinky you r joking right

Explain to me how nothing ceeated itself

Without using impossible assertions
Lol

@Thinky you think this can come from soup baking in the sun?

I guess entropy was reversed a billion years ago.... I wonder when it switched <:thinking2:661792617180168222>

I think that we shouldn't apply our understanding of rules here on Earth to the universe at large, for the latter seems to have no obligation to follow our preconception of how things should work.

this insect is found on Earth.

where entropy seems to apply

last I checked

no reference to "universe at large" needed. until you think this insect came from another galaxy

but nice try

@a n n a did you say that humans were created around the same time as dinosaurs??

yeah

there is evidence they co-existed

which of course would make sense based on Genesis 1......and even more sense w.r.t Genesis 6/Book of Enoch.

Enoch was pretty crazy

Can I see the evidence that we co-existed?

Also, flat earth PHD, I told you how something like the gears above could have evolved. It's simple when you think of it

no

#timewaste

no feeding

Lmao

Simple ver- two joints were mutated in a way that they pushed off one another, thus giving the joint more power. This went on to evolve in more complex ways over time

I can give you the more complex ver

Also this is only one way it could have happened

Ah, so the "I can not prove you wrong so I'm going to pretend like I'm so much smarter that the only thing I can resort to is name calling"

@Flat Earth PhD I would suspect that system evolved from simply a friction between the 2 sides
And over time it got serated or regular groves that slowly overtime evolved a quite efficient shape that eventually prevents any chance of skipping teeth (sliding)
quite a gradual process

Yes, you are right

You are still using that card

just say you don't want to talk with me

Instead of lying

it won't be a problem

The truth is that he has no way of debunking what you said, so he has no choice but to admit defeat. However, he is too proud to do such a thing

yes, you are right

Nice, thanks for admitting to it :3

with creation, why are there so many animals that either are so bad at surviving we have to help them, or they go extinct on their own

Also why do whales have a factionless pelvis bone

genesis 1:21

🤔

It's called the Bible

ah yes annother religious text

yes. like this

not one

some guy from 2000 years ago's word vs facts

@Greenfrogface you mean like eratosthenes?

People who reference to prophets as "some guy 2000 years ago" "vs fax "....

are unfortunately not blessed with the truth.

Either do your homework and study as many on the topic, or don't talk about it... and say "I don't know"

For the wise men knows he doesn't know anything.

but the fools scream their "facts" based on lack of knowledge

what makes a prophet not just some guy from 2000 years ago? because he's literate?

Study on many topics related to religion/spiritualism etc and hopefully one day that insight comes through the connections made. Its not an single answer, its a network of connecting the dots.

that will convince you

@Dizaster

I have looked a lot onto religion, I have prayed, I have read the books

I see no reason to trust some man who claimed to preach the word of god, when there have been millions who claim the exact same thing and preach different things

And before you cry "you didn't pray with an open heart!" I would have been joyful if I learned there was a god, although I have come to terms with my view on death already, it would have been nice if there was an intelligence behind it all.

But alas, I found nothing

trust some man?

you mean like people at NASA?

how is it even related to NASA what he just said lmao

he cant find a God when there's more than one definition of God by different religions

he tried to be happy with one but didnt work

" I found nothing" what does that mean? what did you expect to find? God sitting on your sofa when you got home?

A feeling, a change is anything in my life, something or anything to show their existance

Didn't have to be big, didn't even have to be physical

But no matter what, no matter how hard I looked for anything that could be a sign, I was met with nothing

Thats not how life works

We have been given the opportunity to make mistakes and to learn from those mistakes. We have been given happiness and sadness. If you were given the best of both worlds instantly then you would learn nothing but how to be leech and a bum.

In actuality it seems like you were given something. Maybe the sign is to keep trying and progressing yourself

The heck?

dude i just said i didnt care what kind of sign it was, I wasnt asking to have my life go "Poof" ang get magically better.

but no sign is not a sign. I do not see how you belive i got a sign

you seem to be under the impression that i thought that the sign would just be me being showered in wealth, and that would be dumb if i thought that.

@Citizen Z

Seems like you got some signs

how so?

@Citizen Z

Can we just agree on the fact that even if we forgot on all of the historic data that we have in the fossil record that just like your child can turn out different and so his child after that over 10's of thousands of generations eventually the species will either go extinct or it will change itself even just slightly?

Its not opinion it is fact

Creationism has no concrete facts behind it, and the evolution theory has tons of evidence and proof, so evolution is the real winner here

My first two years of uni I studied geology.

there is actually more evidence of creation in the "fossil record" than evolution

that is not true

you misinterpreted it

Evolution = indisputable fact

you just made me spit up my coffee

lol

what indication of creation does the fossil record provide

none because creation isn't real

Sure

How were u created then

What

At what point did your family come from super heated gas and rocks?

long time ago

I don't see your point though

Your grandparents

What about them?

They were rocks

Then they made you

No, last time I saw my grandma she wasn't a rock

skin and flesh and all that, but not rocks

I'm a rock?

Is that what you're saying

Thats what you are saying

You circled a picture of a rock titling it "you" then sent it to me

Can u show me how abiogenesis works

Im interested in your religion

Abiogenesis isn't a religion?

Its not?

Yes

Well can u explain how it works. They ww can look for observable proof of it

What all of it?

its just life arising from non-living matter into living matter

How does that work

Can you show me an experiment of non life becoming life

miller-urey experiment

can you give me an experiment that backs up the creation theory?

Nothing cant create itself

So your experiment proves a creator

Ill watch it later

Gtg

do you even know what creationism is

@ThebanBand What about it?

what it is

I was asking citizen z

What exactly do you think the miller-urey experiment proves? @ThebanBand

that organic elements can spontaneously form

and I don't think it proves that, it does prove that

It doesn't form from nothing though

All the miller-urey experiment proves is that if you put certain chemicals in the certain way you can make certain elements form

Yeah

It is all based on the idea that it was like this in the early days of Earth before life was said to exist

Yes

It isn't a KO to creationism

I'm not saying it is, but it's an experiment I could think of because I was asked

Oh alright

But I'm curious, do you believe that a creationist story similar to the one in the Bible created everything

Does it have to be?

Not every creationist believes in the bible

I just gave the biblical story as an example

I never said all creationists did

I'm going to take a guess and say you're an atheist yourself?

Christian Orthodox

Oh yeah?

Interesting

yeah I enjoy the traditions and my family are

Do you believe God created everything as well?

No

You don't believe in the bible?

thats a very vague question

How so?

It is a very direct question

Then no

And you claim yourself to be a Christian because the traditions written in the bible but don't believe in the bible or God?

<:confused:625494374402228244>

In my opinion you don't have to believe holy books to be apart of a religion, as I said I enjoy it more for the traditional aspect of it as opposed to the worship part

akin to how a watch is passed down from a father to son I suppose

poor analogy but you can see where I'm getting

It is a poor analogy because it doesn't make you a Chirstian

sorry who are you to dictate what religion I am

It just makes you someone who follows the Christian traditions

I'm basing this off of what you said

Many people hold Christian values but aren't Christian

You don't believe in the bible, you don't believe in God but you want to delude yourself into thinking you're Christian

It doesn't work like that

well I did receive baptism so even if I carried out no Christian traditions and that then by definition I still would be christian

delude is a very strong word?

and you're remarkable at evading my first question, do you believe in the parable of creationism?

Personally i believe we all evolved from eggs

Honestly research it some big theorys on it like

No you wouldn't be Christian and you aren't 😂

You can be baptism a million times it doesn't mean you believe in the stuff

I don't mean to be a smartass but look at the definition of Christianity

And if you did somehow you would have to believe in the bible in some way shape or form

I already know what it means

You clearly don't

You share none of the main beliefs

You may or may not practice the stuff I'm pretty sure you don't because you don't believe in the bible

You aren't even an Agnostic just an Atheist playing a Christian

Why are you so critical of me enjoying Christian traditions?

and you're still dodging my question

I'm not critical

You're just misleading with the title Christian over your head

Stop fooling yourself and call yourself what you are

An atheist

Atheist can enjoy some Christian traditions without NEEDING to be a Christian

That's all I'm saying

You clearly are mate

and somehow have managed to dodge my question this entire time jesus

😂

Don't lecture people about creationism if you can't even decide what you believe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2lPjW8eHZk&start=173s

Can you not believe both

I do not see the two being mutually exclusive

Sure if you want

God big gay

@paul785#0527 plz do not troll this chat

Can I see proof of macroevolution? I don't find fossil evidence convincing due to the fact we can't know for sure whether said fossil had viable offspring and therefore determine whether they truly are a transitional fossil or just a fossil of an extinct species.

I'm not here to debate, just to learn.

There isn’t any proof of macroevolution.

yes Derek, there is in fact evidence

@Derek Nelson

Mr Nelson, have you ever heard of convergent and divergent evolution?

@Derek Nelson

or the Galapagos island finches, which is living evidence if fossils are not sufficient

https://thinkdivinely.com/evolutions-fatal-flaw-lack-of-fossil-evidence/

Dear Derek, this is the opinion of the author of the article, I would like the source of the "Darwin himself said"

this is also sourced from one website

meaning this website may be biased

while multiple websites and PHDs support the idea of evolution

evolution is low iq hypotesis

I honestly don’t care what Darwin said. His beliefs even according to any fossil record aren’t physically possible, because they don’t physically exist.

paleontology is a pseudoscience.

you can't follow the scientific method

**facts**

evolution is fake. made up

@Stacey's mom Parts of the theory of evolution is true, but most is false.

uvu

Still waiting for any observable evidence for darwinian evolution.

Maybe show just one example of a change of kind.

@Citizen Z They will say microevolution (variation within a kind) is macroevolution (kind changing into another kind)

Which means not observable

Its a belief

Yup

They will then say that the fossil record is evidence.

Despite the fact we can't tell whether said fossils ever reproduced successfully with viable offspring.

@Citizen Z here's a good example of evolution by natural selection http://www.sci-news.com/biology/industrial-melanism-06329.html

If that's what you were looking for

@Regular Waterfowl what kind did it change

I mean what was the previous kind

What was it before

@Secrette the fossil record is very good evidence of evolution.
>Despite the fact we can't tell whether said fossils ever reproduced successfully with viable offspring

That just shows that you obviously don't know jack about fossils. Considering that the fossils that most prominently support evolution, such as the famous archaeopteryx fossil and many transitional "missing link" amphibians such as Tiktaalik were even FOUND at all, we can assume that there were plenty of living specimens of Archaeopteryx or Tiktaalik, as the sheer probability of the single member of a species being fossilized at all is near impossible due to how rarely skeletons are even fossilized. That, and the fact that there are MULTIPLE fossils of both Archaeopteryx and Tiktaalik disproves the claim that we don't know whether they reproduced with viable offspring.

@Citizen Z the light-coloured moth changed into the dark-coloured

The light-coloured couldn't survive when the lichen they camouflaged against died, so only the darker ones were camouflaged against the tree bark and they became the majority of the species.

Thats not changing kind

Nice try tho

That's what happens with all natural selection; say, when the last ice age ended, the animals that had adapted well to colder climates such as mammoths and wooly rhinos either died out or lost their hair to cope with warmer weather

Of course, human hunting had some to do with it, but the point still stands