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<:lul:484994724118134784> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_mePjkQW_c EVIL-ution..
@Citizen Z no I wasn't there when those fossils were found but that doesn't mean its a forgery. If you want observable proof for evolution, I think you should study genetics (however I'm more interested in fossils) and even with fossils you can see how organisms transition to form different organisms.
Idk what your definition of observable is but if you expect to see a species evolving to form a new species in your lifetime you have not understood evolution
Alright let's start with australopithecus Africanus
We know they are closely related to hominids because of the skull structure
Their remains have been found in these locations:
I can't effing send pics
So I'll send you links
Now the skeletons have been dated to roughly 2.9 to 2 million years ago
And I know you disagree with the dates but Im sure you can agree that they existed
Anyway, it was from this species that we get the first hominids
We know that because of the limb structure but I won't go into those details now
This species was the common ancestor of all hominids and I'll send a link to show them
The similarity is pretty obvious and this species is called homo habilis which did not coexist along the aforementioned australopithecus Africanus and we know this because of relative dating
And we also know they made stone tools because we have found stone tools and hand crafted materials in homo habilis sites and in their graves
Not yet homo sapiens, but they made stone tools... Pretty impressive right
Anyway, these guys had a "cousin", homo rudolfenses
I don't expect you to read it so just look at the picture of the skull
Now homo rudolfensis was the ancestor of homo erectus
I'm sure you've heard of that
So like, they were the ones who were confirmed to walk upright because of their hip bone structure
Anyone with any knowledge in forensics can confirm that so there is little doubt that homo erectus walked upright
Again, you don't have to read it but if you saw the picture you can see how the skull is similar to the skull of homo rudolfenses and also how much more similar it is to a modern humans skull
*side note there are other hominids who lived at the same time but we're not interested in them right now because I'm talking about the origin of "humans"*
And then we have homo hiedelbergenesis
The similarity to a human skull is increasing and it is becoming less and less like an "ape"
This guy then evolved to form homo sapiens!!!! Which is us!!!!
Now if you want more "evidence" of the transformation read from the links I sent you and see how the tooth cavities and hip bones all suggest common ancestry
Aannnd most importantly we have genetics
We were able to extract nuclear DNA (yes nuclear DNA and not mitochondria DNA) from a sample of homo Neanderthal fossil (oh btw the common ancestor of homo sapiens and homo Neanderthal was homo hiedelbergenesis) and confirmed that we share their DNA suggesting, rather confirming that we interbred with them at some point
@Citizen Z *dab* if you actually read that and still have problems feel free to ask
Show me the data
Museum have fake bones in them and claim to have the real fossils hidden away for protection
Plus they recreate most the fossils. They interpret
They make shit up
STOP profanity now!
I LITERALLY sent him the images from the excavation site
But no he can't accept it! Cuz that would mean he's wrong
@Citizen Z side note, IF they were "real" and not made up would you change your mind about evolution?
No because carbon dating isn't verifiable and neither is DNA
if you modify DNA in a species, and further stop modifying it. That species will later on grow back gradually
which indicates that there is something other than DNA that determines the organism
god is dead guys sorry we were at the hospital last night and he was on his last breath
he wanted me to tell you guys that being gay is not a sin and also that you can flick your pickle so long as you don't do it to anime
Nietsche is dead
the reason god is dead is that western civilisation killed God
as a karmatic consequence, the west is about to fall
god is fat
God is never dead... He is very alive and right in front of you... hopefully one day inside and part of you
i'm really sorry to disappoint you but those were god's last words to me
@red if you wish to troll and have nothing serious to say I can find a different place for you here
im sorry mr z
Dude, I never brought up Carbon dating. Even the paleontologists digging up these fossilsa didn't use carbon dating
And what do you mean DNA isn't verifiable?
We use DNA evidence for forensics!
Its used to solve crimes and is accepted by the court, Id say thats pretty "verifiable"
Look dude you're just shoving off every piece of evidence
sure you do.
you say we like you found this stuff and dated it
Try to understand this:
Carbon dating is not used to date these fossils, different radioactive isotopes are used.
And the only thing funny here is how you avoid answering me or avoid to recute what i say
try to understand this:
you dont know shit. its all lies. evolutution is a crock of shit and i have proof your theory cant be true. ill post it tomorrow.
And hopefully maybe tomorrow you might be able to refute the stuff I said too
There are direct proofs of evolution
And yes, we know DNA is real
It's funny how I worked with DNA once
We multiplied the DNA with the PCR method
Which is also used in forensics to have more DNA material
Also, carbon dating IS a reliable way to determine the age of organic material
Because we KNOW that things that breathe have a constant C-14 in and outtake
And since we know that c-14 is falling apart because it is slightly radioactive and we know the rate it in which it is falling apart we can calculate the age of something
these numbskulls missed the Lloyd Pye video, and..everything else (scroll up, kiddies) <:lul:484994724118134784> _smh_ ..
The earth was made flat and has always been flat. It can’t just change shape magically
It can’t turn from flat to spherical
Why should it always have been flat? @wooflesthedog#1687
you cant just argue that creation is right by the complexity of the human body
thats not how proof works
you need physical data
that correlates to your argument
that's the point of evolution. macro molecules develop first. these are molecules that can replicate themselves with materials around them and no form of consciousness or sentience. then these eventually produce organelle or what we would now call organelle anyway (as organelle - except for the nucleus - were separate species iirc) now these organelle will interact with each other by pure chance and eventually these will form single celled organisms which can photosynthesise (and some of these cells start to form plants) which slowly created an atmosphere that could support animal life. now a lot of these macro molecules remain as they won't all end up as organelle. now some plants begin to evolve shrinking the vacuole and reducing the cell wall's thickness. this combined with the absorption of mitochondria, which was its own species, now this meant that it just needed a source of glucose to evolve away from having chloroplasts so eventually these random interactions will form a single cell organism which can consume part of a plant or other cells to access glucose and there is oxygen in the air so it can now evolve to remove chloroplasts as it no longer needs them. now these would be evolving in many areas around the earth (whether you think it's curved or round) so they can now begin evolving even further becoming multicell organisms which then begins to develop a food chain. this brought around dinosaurs which were eventually subject to mass extinction. then complex life begins to evolve again from those that survived and single celled organisms once again which eventually creates *homo sapiens* and all of the other species that we see today
there you go
I can walk on water
anyone can walk on water with enough editing
Before you say i cant i have a friend who said i can and its in a book
i believe in evolution cos god would have to be a right dickhed to make me
You must be correct on that
Maybe people that think like will just burn in hell
evolution is true
I'm actually a homosaphian
A monkey is actually no where near what we evolved from
However it shared some common ancestry
I have a common ancestor with a chimpanzee, which had ancestors with monkeys
get your facts right dude
You are related to rocks. <:giggle:485714802123997184>
Are rocks made of cells?
Evolution is bullshit
no you are
Buddha tell me to go to bed
Evolution is real. Get over it.
Give me a couple million years and I will
my pet frog charles was in my pocket for 1 hour and he turned into a raisin
**Genesis 19:36 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
<36> Thus both the daughters of Lot became pregnant by their father. ```
https://youtu.be/_zQXgJ-dXM4he is a synthetic chemist with 200 patents
Pretty much proves abiogensis at least on earth is utterly impossible
He has a few videosvery comprehensive. He goes through the process of actually making a complex molecule. To say it is difficult is the understatement of the year. invented the nanocar. a molecular car with actual rotating wheelsthe bottom line is no abiogeneses ....organic matter from inorganic matter, you can't even get to evolution. rock babies... impossible
Your belief is nothing created something? How does that work exactly?
Btw those are all fallacies and do not address the argument of debunking abiogenesis, which without, you cant even get to evolution
Try attacking the argument not the person.
red#8440 (84408965349269504) is now muted for '**Unspecified.**', alright? <:THUMBSUP6:403560443345371137>
Rock babies? Boi its not from rocks how life came to be is a mystery but we do know that it came from micro organisms
And the human being too complex? Give it millions upon millions of years to be evolved and adapted
Yes. As i said, you believe in rock babies.
@Citizen Z is there any actual proof of god besides the human belief and imagination?
so you dont believe in mutations in DNA
okay you seem to be in a simulation
where you make the rules
How did abiogenesis start
Mammals came from reptiles or birds which came from amphibians which came from fish which came from micro-organisms through evolution
Yeah they came from synapsids which was a group of reptiles
mammals are synapsids and reptiles and birds are diapsids.
Yeah thank you
Some reptiles evolved into mammals then
i am christian so i do not bilieve this
god created us
Gosh I didn't know that talking about synapsids would lead to weird questions @Citizen Z
I don't know and no one does
So you agree evolution is a joke
You have no evidence of it. Its like a weird religious belief
There is no solid evidence for either creation or evolution as it happend millions of years ago
How do you know it was millions of years ago?
There is evidence of creation. We wouldn't be here if we weren't created.
So where did god come from?
Just trying to prove a point
Evolution has happened
Bramble The Side Dictator#1300 your 3 pound brain isn't smart enough
U have a 3 lbs brain too bud
And it also cant compehend whats outside the computer
Do you think i would believe in a creator that is easily explained
I dont know you. So mabey.
That wouldnt be a god now would it
the theory of relativity defies the laws of thermo dinamics
the law of thermo dynamics says order goes to dis order not dis order goes to order
if i write my name on separate cards and throw each letter out the window whats the likely hood it will spell my name
okay so now lets go into a semi jet 2 miles up? is it gonna be more likely to spell my name or less liekly
more time to chaos doesnt make order
it makes it wrose
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How does people that believe in creation dispute the concrete evidence of evolution (fossils)
A watch proves watchmaker!
@Citizen Z I will defend the man in the picture and say that he would most likely say the difference is that he doesn’t actually believe what’s happening in the RPG like a Christian would believe in the bible.
I don't believe in god.
It's a man-made concept.
We were designed. End of story
Is faping a sin
It’s not adulterous
god isnt real lel
Just causw god made somthing, doesnt mean he cant change it
i have a question : If the Bible says the truth how can there be another theory?
DNA proves intelligent design. Life itself displays irreducible complexity. Incredibly precise minute specific mathematical tuning of the universe shows entire universe is a perfectly designed system.
Your DNA is a language.
Sacred geometry is behind everything
Golden ratio / fibonacci sequence etc
God is real
Why should I believe in creation
I'm on the fence tbh
All animals are beautiful creations of god? What about leaches and other parasites
Can’t say they were made by satan either because some parasites have feelings too so, bleh evolution proven (in one out of several ways)
Thats why dna is perfect
Its because it has been changing to better suit the environment for billions of years
Random changes bad ones deleted good ones kept can only lead to good changes
Boom thats evolution
It’s that simple
(Also a simulation once ran mario where it would do random changes to how mario moves and when, and in the end it completed the level perfectly, proof that this works)
Country music is proof of creation prove me wrong
Yee to the haw
Haw to the yee
Can’t argue with that
We have direct evidence of animal populations changing under stressors