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<:lul:484994724118134784> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_mePjkQW_c EVIL-ution..

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2019-03-17 08:53:33 UTC

@Citizen Z no I wasn't there when those fossils were found but that doesn't mean its a forgery. If you want observable proof for evolution, I think you should study genetics (however I'm more interested in fossils) and even with fossils you can see how organisms transition to form different organisms.

2019-03-17 08:54:14 UTC

Idk what your definition of observable is but if you expect to see a species evolving to form a new species in your lifetime you have not understood evolution

2019-03-17 14:58:38 UTC

@Yoda k show me the evidence of apes turning into humans

2019-03-17 15:33:42 UTC

Alright let's start with australopithecus Africanus

2019-03-17 15:33:59 UTC

We know they are closely related to hominids because of the skull structure

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Their remains have been found in these locations:

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Alright, @Yoda has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

2019-03-17 15:34:53 UTC

I can't effing send pics

2019-03-17 15:35:33 UTC

So I'll send you links

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Now the skeletons have been dated to roughly 2.9 to 2 million years ago

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And I know you disagree with the dates but Im sure you can agree that they existed

2019-03-17 15:38:01 UTC

Do you? @Citizen Z

2019-03-17 15:38:56 UTC

Anyway, it was from this species that we get the first hominids

2019-03-17 15:39:17 UTC

We know that because of the limb structure but I won't go into those details now

2019-03-17 15:40:00 UTC

This species was the common ancestor of all hominids and I'll send a link to show them

2019-03-17 15:41:54 UTC

The similarity is pretty obvious and this species is called homo habilis which did not coexist along the aforementioned australopithecus Africanus and we know this because of relative dating

2019-03-17 15:43:39 UTC

And we also know they made stone tools because we have found stone tools and hand crafted materials in homo habilis sites and in their graves

2019-03-17 15:44:00 UTC

Not yet homo sapiens, but they made stone tools... Pretty impressive right

2019-03-17 15:45:02 UTC

Anyway, these guys had a "cousin", homo rudolfenses

2019-03-17 15:46:22 UTC

I don't expect you to read it so just look at the picture of the skull

2019-03-17 15:46:57 UTC

Now homo rudolfensis was the ancestor of homo erectus

2019-03-17 15:47:25 UTC

I'm sure you've heard of that

2019-03-17 15:47:53 UTC

So like, they were the ones who were confirmed to walk upright because of their hip bone structure

2019-03-17 15:48:21 UTC

Anyone with any knowledge in forensics can confirm that so there is little doubt that homo erectus walked upright

2019-03-17 15:50:14 UTC

Again, you don't have to read it but if you saw the picture you can see how the skull is similar to the skull of homo rudolfenses and also how much more similar it is to a modern humans skull

2019-03-17 15:51:14 UTC

*side note there are other hominids who lived at the same time but we're not interested in them right now because I'm talking about the origin of "humans"*

2019-03-17 15:51:39 UTC

And then we have homo hiedelbergenesis

2019-03-17 15:52:44 UTC

The similarity to a human skull is increasing and it is becoming less and less like an "ape"

2019-03-17 15:53:16 UTC

This guy then evolved to form homo sapiens!!!! Which is us!!!!

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Yaaay

2019-03-17 15:53:57 UTC

Now if you want more "evidence" of the transformation read from the links I sent you and see how the tooth cavities and hip bones all suggest common ancestry

2019-03-17 15:54:13 UTC

Aannnd most importantly we have genetics

2019-03-17 15:56:00 UTC

We were able to extract nuclear DNA (yes nuclear DNA and not mitochondria DNA) from a sample of homo Neanderthal fossil (oh btw the common ancestor of homo sapiens and homo Neanderthal was homo hiedelbergenesis) and confirmed that we share their DNA suggesting, rather confirming that we interbred with them at some point

2019-03-17 15:56:44 UTC

@Citizen Z *dab* if you actually read that and still have problems feel free to ask

2019-03-17 15:56:49 UTC

Lol

2019-03-17 17:22:20 UTC

Not verifiable

2019-03-17 17:22:34 UTC

Show me the data

2019-03-17 17:24:21 UTC

Museum have fake bones in them and claim to have the real fossils hidden away for protection

2019-03-17 17:25:11 UTC

Plus they recreate most the fossils. They interpret

2019-03-17 17:25:18 UTC

They make shit up

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😂 😂

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Alright, @Yoda has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

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Ah "poop"

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hahaha

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bad word

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STOP profanity now!

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I LITERALLY sent him the images from the excavation site

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But no he can't accept it! Cuz that would mean he's wrong

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@Citizen Z side note, IF they were "real" and not made up would you change your mind about evolution?

2019-03-17 17:40:40 UTC

^

2019-03-17 18:05:02 UTC

No because carbon dating isn't verifiable and neither is DNA

2019-03-17 18:05:50 UTC

if you modify DNA in a species, and further stop modifying it. That species will later on grow back gradually

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which indicates that there is something other than DNA that determines the organism

2019-03-17 18:14:25 UTC

god is dead guys sorry we were at the hospital last night and he was on his last breath

2019-03-17 18:14:51 UTC

he wanted me to tell you guys that being gay is not a sin and also that you can flick your pickle so long as you don't do it to anime

2019-03-17 18:22:20 UTC

Nietsche is dead

2019-03-17 18:22:34 UTC

the reason god is dead is that western civilisation killed God

2019-03-17 18:22:49 UTC

as a karmatic consequence, the west is about to fall

2019-03-17 18:23:12 UTC

god is fat

2019-03-18 00:08:43 UTC

>>ban @Souls threats

2019-03-18 00:08:43 UTC

<:vSuccess:390202497827864597> Successfully banned @Souls

2019-03-18 00:26:53 UTC

God is never dead... He is very alive and right in front of you... hopefully one day inside and part of you

2019-03-18 00:34:44 UTC

i'm really sorry to disappoint you but those were god's last words to me

2019-03-18 01:06:44 UTC

@red if you wish to troll and have nothing serious to say I can find a different place for you here

2019-03-18 01:48:54 UTC

im sorry mr z

2019-03-18 04:58:14 UTC

Dude, I never brought up Carbon dating. Even the paleontologists digging up these fossilsa didn't use carbon dating

2019-03-18 04:58:36 UTC

And what do you mean DNA isn't verifiable?

2019-03-18 04:58:51 UTC

We use DNA evidence for forensics!

2019-03-18 04:59:28 UTC

Its used to solve crimes and is accepted by the court, Id say thats pretty "verifiable"

2019-03-18 04:59:52 UTC

Look dude you're just shoving off every piece of evidence

2019-03-18 05:45:25 UTC

sure you do.

2019-03-18 05:45:30 UTC

😂

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you say we like you found this stuff and dated it

2019-03-18 05:53:49 UTC

Try to understand this:
Carbon dating is not used to date these fossils, different radioactive isotopes are used.

2019-03-18 05:54:42 UTC

And the only thing funny here is how you avoid answering me or avoid to recute what i say

2019-03-18 06:07:46 UTC

try to understand this:

2019-03-18 06:08:21 UTC

you dont know shit. its all lies. evolutution is a crock of shit and i have proof your theory cant be true. ill post it tomorrow.

2019-03-18 06:08:29 UTC

gnite

2019-03-18 06:13:57 UTC

Gnite mate

2019-03-18 06:14:12 UTC

And hopefully maybe tomorrow you might be able to refute the stuff I said too

2019-03-18 06:16:41 UTC

Well

2019-03-18 06:16:48 UTC

There are direct proofs of evolution

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But okay

2019-03-18 06:17:27 UTC

And yes, we know DNA is real

2019-03-18 06:17:39 UTC

It's funny how I worked with DNA once

2019-03-18 06:18:04 UTC

We multiplied the DNA with the PCR method

2019-03-18 06:18:19 UTC

Which is also used in forensics to have more DNA material

2019-03-18 06:19:38 UTC

Also, carbon dating IS a reliable way to determine the age of organic material

2019-03-18 06:20:06 UTC

Because we KNOW that things that breathe have a constant C-14 in and outtake

2019-03-18 06:20:54 UTC

And since we know that c-14 is falling apart because it is slightly radioactive and we know the rate it in which it is falling apart we can calculate the age of something

these numbskulls missed the Lloyd Pye video, and..everything else (scroll up, kiddies) <:lul:484994724118134784> _smh_ ..

2019-03-18 08:22:13 UTC

The earth was made flat and has always been flat. It can’t just change shape magically

2019-03-18 08:22:31 UTC

It can’t turn from flat to spherical

2019-03-18 15:10:21 UTC

Why should it always have been flat? @wooflesthedog#1687

2019-03-18 16:47:04 UTC

you cant just argue that creation is right by the complexity of the human body

2019-03-18 16:47:35 UTC

thats not how proof works

2019-03-18 16:47:41 UTC

you need physical data

2019-03-18 16:48:00 UTC

that correlates to your argument

2019-03-18 16:49:32 UTC

that's the point of evolution. macro molecules develop first. these are molecules that can replicate themselves with materials around them and no form of consciousness or sentience. then these eventually produce organelle or what we would now call organelle anyway (as organelle - except for the nucleus - were separate species iirc) now these organelle will interact with each other by pure chance and eventually these will form single celled organisms which can photosynthesise (and some of these cells start to form plants) which slowly created an atmosphere that could support animal life. now a lot of these macro molecules remain as they won't all end up as organelle. now some plants begin to evolve shrinking the vacuole and reducing the cell wall's thickness. this combined with the absorption of mitochondria, which was its own species, now this meant that it just needed a source of glucose to evolve away from having chloroplasts so eventually these random interactions will form a single cell organism which can consume part of a plant or other cells to access glucose and there is oxygen in the air so it can now evolve to remove chloroplasts as it no longer needs them. now these would be evolving in many areas around the earth (whether you think it's curved or round) so they can now begin evolving even further becoming multicell organisms which then begins to develop a food chain. this brought around dinosaurs which were eventually subject to mass extinction. then complex life begins to evolve again from those that survived and single celled organisms once again which eventually creates *homo sapiens* and all of the other species that we see today

2019-03-18 16:53:03 UTC

there you go

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preach Brother!

2019-03-18 17:07:19 UTC

I can walk on water

2019-03-18 17:08:11 UTC

anyone can walk on water with enough editing

2019-03-18 17:08:43 UTC

Before you say i cant i have a friend who said i can and its in a book

2019-03-18 17:16:03 UTC

👌

2019-03-18 19:41:58 UTC

i believe in evolution cos god would have to be a right dickhed to make me

2019-03-18 21:00:58 UTC

You must be correct on that

2019-03-18 23:05:06 UTC

Maybe people that think like will just burn in hell

2019-03-19 00:28:50 UTC

evolution is true

2019-03-19 00:30:02 UTC

You are a 🐒 @Deleted User

2019-03-19 00:30:07 UTC

😂

2019-03-19 00:30:13 UTC

How so?

2019-03-19 00:30:23 UTC

I'm actually a homosaphian

2019-03-19 00:30:30 UTC

Yo dude

2019-03-19 00:30:35 UTC

A monkey is actually no where near what we evolved from

2019-03-19 00:30:42 UTC

However it shared some common ancestry

2019-03-19 00:30:47 UTC

I have a common ancestor with a chimpanzee, which had ancestors with monkeys

2019-03-19 00:30:53 UTC

get your facts right dude

2019-03-19 00:31:01 UTC

Jeez bro

2019-03-19 00:36:00 UTC

😂

2019-03-19 00:36:28 UTC

You are related to rocks. <:giggle:485714802123997184>

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How?

2019-03-19 00:38:34 UTC

Are rocks made of cells?

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Evolution is bullshit

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no you are

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soldz

2019-03-19 01:00:20 UTC

no u

2019-03-19 01:02:51 UTC

Buddha tell me to go to bed

2019-03-19 02:35:36 UTC

@user he meant the big bang theory

2019-03-19 04:32:37 UTC

Evolution is real. Get over it.

2019-03-19 04:33:27 UTC

Give me a couple million years and I will

2019-03-19 06:59:25 UTC

my pet frog charles was in my pocket for 1 hour and he turned into a raisin

2019-03-19 06:59:29 UTC

crazy right???

2019-03-19 09:53:16 UTC

Genesis 19:36

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**Genesis 19:36 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust


<36> Thus both the daughters of Lot became pregnant by their father. ```

2019-03-19 18:02:05 UTC

https://youtu.be/_zQXgJ-dXM4he is a synthetic chemist with 200 patents
Pretty much proves abiogensis at least on earth is utterly impossible
He has a few videosvery comprehensive. He goes through the process of actually making a complex molecule. To say it is difficult is the understatement of the year. invented the nanocar. a molecular car with actual rotating wheelsthe bottom line is no abiogeneses ....organic matter from inorganic matter, you can't even get to evolution. rock babies... impossible

2019-03-19 22:56:55 UTC

Your belief is nothing created something? How does that work exactly?

2019-03-19 22:58:14 UTC

Btw those are all fallacies and do not address the argument of debunking abiogenesis, which without, you cant even get to evolution

2019-03-19 22:58:38 UTC

Try attacking the argument not the person.

2019-03-19 23:09:16 UTC

!mute @red

2019-03-19 23:09:16 UTC

red#8440 (84408965349269504) is now muted for '**Unspecified.**', alright? <:THUMBSUP6:403560443345371137>

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2019-03-22 12:07:26 UTC

Rock babies? Boi its not from rocks how life came to be is a mystery but we do know that it came from micro organisms

2019-03-22 12:08:50 UTC

And the human being too complex? Give it millions upon millions of years to be evolved and adapted

2019-03-22 13:04:19 UTC

Yes. As i said, you believe in rock babies.

2019-03-23 04:16:29 UTC

@Citizen Z is there any actual proof of god besides the human belief and imagination?

2019-03-23 04:16:37 UTC

im agnostic.

2019-03-23 04:22:42 UTC

Rock babies

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Gnite

2019-03-23 21:42:14 UTC

so you dont believe in mutations in DNA

2019-03-23 21:42:25 UTC

okay you seem to be in a simulation

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where you make the rules

2019-03-24 00:05:29 UTC

How did abiogenesis start

2019-03-24 13:53:42 UTC

Mammals came from reptiles or birds which came from amphibians which came from fish which came from micro-organisms through evolution

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not birds

2019-03-24 13:55:16 UTC

Yeah they came from synapsids which was a group of reptiles

2019-03-24 13:55:31 UTC

mammals are synapsids and reptiles and birds are diapsids.

2019-03-24 13:55:53 UTC

Yeah thank you

2019-03-24 13:56:47 UTC

Some reptiles evolved into mammals then

2019-03-24 15:35:59 UTC

i am christian so i do not bilieve this

2019-03-24 15:36:15 UTC

god created us

2019-03-24 16:47:47 UTC
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Gosh I didn't know that talking about synapsids would lead to weird questions @Citizen Z

2019-03-24 16:59:36 UTC

I don't know and no one does

2019-03-24 17:16:55 UTC

So you agree evolution is a joke

2019-03-24 17:17:18 UTC

You have no evidence of it. Its like a weird religious belief

2019-03-24 17:45:41 UTC

There is no solid evidence for either creation or evolution as it happend millions of years ago

2019-03-24 18:35:55 UTC

How do you know it was millions of years ago?

2019-03-24 18:36:26 UTC

There is evidence of creation. We wouldn't be here if we weren't created.

2019-03-24 21:56:35 UTC

So where did god come from?

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Just trying to prove a point

2019-03-24 21:57:25 UTC

of?

2019-03-24 21:57:48 UTC

Evolution has happened

2019-03-24 21:57:53 UTC

Mhm

2019-03-24 23:07:38 UTC

Bramble The Side Dictator#1300 your 3 pound brain isn't smart enough

2019-03-24 23:08:58 UTC

U have a 3 lbs brain too bud

2019-03-25 00:16:49 UTC

And it also cant compehend whats outside the computer

2019-03-25 00:17:26 UTC

Do you think i would believe in a creator that is easily explained

2019-03-25 00:24:02 UTC

I dont know you. So mabey.

2019-03-26 08:38:37 UTC

@Citizen Z what about a god that's actually just an alien

2019-03-26 12:58:32 UTC

That wouldnt be a god now would it

2019-03-26 14:21:07 UTC

the theory of relativity defies the laws of thermo dinamics

2019-03-26 14:22:29 UTC

the law of thermo dynamics says order goes to dis order not dis order goes to order

2019-03-26 14:23:02 UTC

if i write my name on separate cards and throw each letter out the window whats the likely hood it will spell my name

2019-03-26 14:23:22 UTC

okay so now lets go into a semi jet 2 miles up? is it gonna be more likely to spell my name or less liekly

2019-03-26 14:24:37 UTC

more time to chaos doesnt make order

2019-03-26 14:24:39 UTC

it makes it wrose

2019-03-26 21:36:00 UTC

Alright, @Sir Yamah has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

2019-03-26 21:36:09 UTC

ni88er

2019-03-29 04:15:12 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484515915069784085/561040643107848192/GoPn5q3.png

2019-04-02 03:01:02 UTC

Alright, @Éricko has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

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NIGGEEEEER

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Frick

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!mute @Éricko

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Érisck#6150 (492196413762174986) is now muted for '**Unspecified.**', alright? <:THUMBSUP6:403560443345371137>

2019-04-02 21:25:12 UTC

How does people that believe in creation dispute the concrete evidence of evolution (fossils)

2019-04-03 02:46:30 UTC

A watch proves watchmaker!

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<@551498624941686795>

2019-04-03 18:29:38 UTC

.

2019-04-04 11:39:04 UTC

@Citizen Z I will defend the man in the picture and say that he would most likely say the difference is that he doesn’t actually believe what’s happening in the RPG like a Christian would believe in the bible.

2019-04-04 18:12:01 UTC

I don't believe in god.

2019-04-04 18:13:07 UTC

It's a man-made concept.

2019-04-04 19:10:28 UTC

We were designed. End of story

2019-04-04 22:30:18 UTC

Thank you

2019-04-04 22:33:49 UTC

Is faping a sin

2019-04-05 01:00:31 UTC

No

2019-04-05 01:00:34 UTC

It’s not adulterous

2019-04-05 01:00:40 UTC

*adultery

2019-04-05 03:46:36 UTC

god isnt real lel

2019-04-05 19:03:44 UTC

Just causw god made somthing, doesnt mean he cant change it

2019-04-05 21:21:33 UTC

i have a question : If the Bible says the truth how can there be another theory?

2019-04-06 17:17:45 UTC

DNA proves intelligent design. Life itself displays irreducible complexity. Incredibly precise minute specific mathematical tuning of the universe shows entire universe is a perfectly designed system.

2019-04-06 17:18:28 UTC

Your DNA is a language.

2019-04-06 17:18:34 UTC

Sacred geometry is behind everything

2019-04-06 17:18:48 UTC

Golden ratio / fibonacci sequence etc

2019-04-06 17:18:51 UTC

God is real

2019-04-06 18:56:22 UTC

Hey guys

2019-04-06 18:56:46 UTC

Why should I believe in creation

2019-04-06 18:56:52 UTC

I'm on the fence tbh

2019-04-07 03:46:44 UTC

All animals are beautiful creations of god? What about leaches and other parasites

2019-04-07 03:47:32 UTC

Can’t say they were made by satan either because some parasites have feelings too so, bleh evolution proven (in one out of several ways)

2019-04-07 03:48:30 UTC

@Green Knight that proves evolution actually

2019-04-07 03:48:39 UTC

Thats why dna is perfect

2019-04-07 03:49:04 UTC

Its because it has been changing to better suit the environment for billions of years

2019-04-07 03:50:29 UTC

Random changes bad ones deleted good ones kept can only lead to good changes

2019-04-07 03:50:37 UTC

Boom thats evolution

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It’s that simple

2019-04-07 03:52:19 UTC

(Also a simulation once ran mario where it would do random changes to how mario moves and when, and in the end it completed the level perfectly, proof that this works)

2019-04-07 05:17:20 UTC

Country music is proof of creation prove me wrong

Yee to the haw
Haw to the yee

2019-04-07 06:46:54 UTC

Can’t argue with that

2019-04-07 06:46:58 UTC

xD

2019-04-07 19:44:12 UTC

screw god

2019-04-07 20:38:48 UTC

We have direct evidence of animal populations changing under stressors

2019-04-07 20:44:01 UTC

Yes

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