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Vaccination is good. If it would be very dangerous, the government wouldn't allow doctors to use it

And after the appearance of vaccination, population has growth

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in my hole

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Anti vaxxers live as long as a Golden Pickaxe

You mean pro poisoners

@🎃Placebi.Exe🎃 ad hom gets you nowhere

Que?

Hey

Welcome to the Ice Wall!

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How does a lifetime of ignorance feel?

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Lets see if you can break the research record and look at all that in 10 min.. @Detective Rey

https://youtu.be/SFQQOv-Oi6U

Here is another 1 min video to be ignorant to @Detective Rey

http://www.dissolvingillusions.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=248&v=a3EHrjfLXaw

alright,I just want to make this clear. do you think that autism is worse than a possibly lethal decease?

Possibly?

Which disease do you speak of

http://www.dissolvingillusions.com/graphs/

Thanks anti vaxxers, for the measles comeback

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qSCTUNLucY

@BubbleBurster i think you have a personal problem

@Citizen Z why?

I think you believe terrible videos

Do you mean me?

I like Eric

@Kebab Removalist

Eric is great

Yes

‘Tis true

Kid dies of measels - anti vaxxers hate this simple trick.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-03-06-genetic-sequencing-science-breakthrough-just-proved-that-measles-outbreaks-are-caused-by-the-measles-vaccine.html

https://jcm.asm.org/content/55/3/735

Sounds like the viruses are mutating randomly every so often

You would think the companies that produce vaccines would be planning for that

@Citizen Z it isn't possible to predict a viruses mutation

Other people's vaccinations would still help. Just that individual person would have to gain immunization through the mutated virus that gives them measles

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/familydoctor.org/the-importance-of-vaccinations/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2017-10-flu-shot-influenza-mutate.amp

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171106152302.htm

this is still conceding that vaccines are useful, and are not inherently harmful, so what's your point?

Are you an idiot?

so you don't have a point?

Claim: The study of vaccines, their historical record of achievements, effectiveness, safety and mechanism in humans are well understood and proven in scientific and medical circles.
Fact: The claim is completely false.
1. Could you please provide one double-blind, placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of vaccines?
2. Could you please provide scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?
3. Could you please provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?
4. Could you please explain how the safety and mechanism of vaccines in the human body are scientifically proven if their pharmacokinetics (the study of bodily absorption, distribution, metabolism and excretion of ingredients) are never examined
or analyzed in any vaccine study?

One of the most critical elements which defines the toxicity potential of any vaccine are its pharmacokinetic properties. Drug companies and health agencies refuse to consider the study, analysis or evaluation of the pharmacokinetic properties of any vaccine.
There is not one double-blind, placebo-controlled study in the history of vaccine development that has ever proven their safety, effectiveness or achievements (unless those achievements have underlined their damage to human health).
There are also no controlled studies completed in any country which have objectively proven that vaccines have had any direct or consequential effect on the reduction of any type of disease in any
part of the world.

Every single study that has ever attempted to validate the safety and effectiveness of vaccines has conclusively established carcinogenic, mutagenic, neurotoxic or fertility impairments, but they won't address those.

Claim: Preservatives and chemical additives used in the manufacture of vaccines are safe and no studies have been linked or proven them unsafe for use in humans.
Fact: The claim is completely false.

5. Could you please provide scientific justification as to how injecting a human being with a confirmed neurotoxin is beneficial to human health and prevents disease?
6. Can you provide a risk/benefit profile on how the benefits of injecting a known neurotoxin exceeds its risks to human health for the intended goal of preventing disease?
This issue is no longer even open to debate. It is a scientifically established fact in literally hundreds of studies that the preservatives and chemical additives in vaccines damage cells. Neurotoxicity, immune suppression, immune-mediated chronic inflammation and carcinogenic proliferation are just a few of several effects that have been observed on the human body.

Fortunately, the drug companies still tell us the damage vaccines have on the human body. People just don't read them. All you have to do is look at the insert for any vaccine, and it will detail the exact ingredients, alerts and potentially lethal effects.

Any medical professional who believes that it is justified to inject any type of neurotoxin into any person to prevent any disease is completely misguided, misinformed, deluded and ignorant of any logic regarding human health.

Claim: Once an individual is injected with the foreign antigen in the vaccine, that individual becomes immune to future infections.
Fact: The claim is completely false.

7. Could you please provide scientific justification on how bypassing the respiratory tract (or mucous membrane) is advantageous and how directly injecting viruses into the bloodstream enhances immune functioning and prevents future infections?
8. Could you please provide scientific justification on how a vaccine would prevent viruses from mutating?
9. Could you please provide scientific justification as to how a vaccination can target a virus in an infected individual who does not have the exact viral configuration or strain the vaccine was developed for?

All promoters of vaccination fail to realize that the respiratory tract of humans (actually all mammals) contains antibodies which initiates natural immune responses within the respiratory tract mucosa. Bypassing this mucosal aspect of the immune system by directly injecting viruses into the bloodstream leads to a corruption in the immune system itself. As a result, the pathogenic viruses or bacteria cannot be eliminated by the immune system and remain in the body, where they will further grow and/or mutate as the individual is exposed to ever more antigens and toxins in the environment which continue to assault the immune system.

Despite the injection of any type of vaccine, viruses continue circulating through the body, mutating and transforming into other organisms. The ability of a vaccine manufacturer to target the exact viral strain without knowing its mutagenic properties is equivalent to shooting a gun at a fixed target that has already been moved from its location. You would be shooting at what was, not what is!

Flu viruses, may mutate, change or adapt several times over a period of one flu season, making the seasonal influenza vaccine 100% redundant and ineffective every single flu season. Ironically, the natural immune defenses of the human body can target these changes but the vaccines cannot.

Not one pro-vaccine advocate will ever directly address these questions in an open mainstream venue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCBlxqmOMKM

Flu vaccine isn't that efficient tbh, cause the flu always evolves so scientist have to guess (based on research) what it will be like next year. But the flu vaccine shouldn't represent vaccines, as most don't evolve (as fast) as the flu.

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Alot of those questions are definitely easily answerable

then do it

I will in like an hour

2

https://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/news/20150107/long-term-study-finds-measles-vaccines-safe

3 Eradication of smallpox

Please wait to comment on these pieces for like 15 minutes as i collect info

1 no because not giving people vaccines when they are told that we are giving them vaccines for somewhat serious diseases is unethical. Though i suppose it could be done on monkeys possibly

I think I used to have disease and vaccine statistics on here but I don’t know if I have them still. I can’t even post them if I had them either way

4. This is somewhat of a problem and it is being pushed for but we do have some tests we do before we push it through to humans; its required to be tested on animals

Ive got a link if you want to see

https://www.vivotecnia.com/safety-pharmacology/?gclid=CjwKCAjw1_PqBRBIEiwA71rmtYdJaR4ijwDW_-w9m_XIJv_1MXzBdV6gQ59deMoRyusTQNPUcIjFwBoCv7sQAvD_BwE

Its still not significant enough for everything to be determined but it weeds the very large problems out.

5. As of now, the specific neurotoxin is unspecified so the question has no meaning. Though if you find what neurotoxin you are talking about glad to go through it

6. Same as 5

7 if its a live virus it can go in through the nose but if isnt then it has to be taken into the blood stream. In reality theres no difference really to the future immune response particular to the site injection

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2210762211000064?via%3Dihub

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunogenicity

8. They can freeze and basically inactivate viruses until the production must start. After that the mutation process can happen. Usually this mutation wont significantly affect the reciever though. If its not a live virus though it cant mutate so that problem can be solved depending on the needed immunity to the virus.

9 alot of that is missing needed citation some of it on a logical scale of effectiveness simply doesnt match up. But to answer your actual question posted, Some antigens are somewhat or fully effective on other viruses because the MHC proteins are very similar or actually are the same. We think of viruses as fast mutating and in reality some of them are, but many of them dont mutate that fast. Also flu vaccines are known to be usually ineffective because they have to try and guess how the virus will mutate which is impossible to get right all the time

@the21cat Lol skipped right over number 1 lol

also number 2 we have got proof that more have died from the measles vaccine that the disease its self

eradication of small pox may have zero to do with the vaccine seeing as how it was already in decline before it was introduced

correlation is not proof of cause

4. Could you please explain how the safety and mechanism of vaccines in the human body are scientifically proven if their pharmacokinetics (the study of bodily absorption, distribution, metabolism and excretion of ingredients) are never examined
or analyzed in any vaccine study? show me studies showing it is safe for humans

Aluminium is neurotoxic. Its free ion, Al(3+) (aq), is highly biologically reactive and uniquely equipped to do damage to essential cellular (neuronal) biochemistry. This unequivocal fact must be the starting point in examining the risk posed by aluminium as a neurotoxin in humans. Aluminium is present in the human brain and it accumulates with age.

Thimerosal is another neurotoxin

that is number 5

get back to me when you can prove aluminum is ok for the human body

this also crushes your argument on number 6

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_sulfate

also proved my point with number 7 ty

and no your not going to stop it from mutating in the wild after they put it in someone and they spread it therefore those that get the mutated version will not be protected will they !!!!1

where is your scientific proof of what you CLAIM for number 9. this is the point of number 9 it can not affect something it is not targeted to affect

so basically you did not answer any of the questions @the21cat

@the21cat where is the scientific study i can examine to see if they are telling the truth and could test what they claim from webmd hmmmm

just cause they claim there is a 12 year study dont mean there was

no proof of the claim then i can dismiss it without proof

even though i got proof

all i can see is something saying they did the study but no link to the actual study

POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST: Drs Klein, Naleway, and Baxter have received research support from Merck and GlaxoSmithKline.

lol receives funding from big pharma/vaccine companies and we are supposed to trust their information and so called research??????

Scientists are human. Scientists have a vested interest in promoting their work, often for status and further research funding, although sometimes for direct financial gain. This can lead to selective reporting of results and occasionally, exaggeration. Peer review is not infallible: journal editors might favour positive findings and newsworthiness. Multiple, independent sources of evidence and replication are much more convincing.

sounds to me like they are getting paid to lie

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/135/2/e321 this is the vaccine center that supposedly did the study lol

FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE: Drs Klein and Baxter report research support from Merck & Co, GlaxoSmithKline, Sanofi-Pasteur, Pfizer, Novartis, MedImmune, and Nuron Biotech; Dr Naleway reports research support from GlaxoSmithKline; and Dr Belongia reports research support from MedImmune. The other authors have indicated they have no financial relationships relevant to this article to disclose.

you need more credible sources for the studies

Getting funding from a source that has a vested interest in vaccinations is a clear and blatant conflict of interest.

So I’m wondering

Would you rather have a child with autism on the low end of the spectrum that lives a normal and long life

Or a non vaccinated child that either dies in infancy or lives to 20 almost max

It’s really a shame that people think it’s better to have the latter

imagine banning people for debating you in a debate server

@Edillon Stop being ignorant and deliberately lying about vaccinations and the realistic risks of not vaccinating. Clearly, you don't understand the realistic risks **of vaccinating** and the harm it could do. Why would you want to risk your children having autism and being completely dependent on you for your entire life? Never being on their own or having children to enjoy. A lot of autistic people do not become independent.

this is similar to the abortion topic

but it kind of contradicts itself

https://www.facebook.com/greenmedinfo/videos/2325821697679985/

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-22-bombshell-new-video-exposes-horrifying-crime-of-vaccine-mandates.html

If you’re anti vaxx and pro life, you’re essentially causing your child a lifetime (not that long) of sickness and regular checking into the hospital

@Edillon bullshit it is the other way around

Absolutely not

yea it does can you read

chronic illness is greater in vaccinated

peroid

has it been proven that vaccines are the cause, and the effect is the illness?

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1qKev9DqjzwlEXczZR4mjeR-MQunIV6MgQ-S-G_lVZU/https/info.cmsri.org/hubfs/Vaxed%2520Unvaxed%2520Memes/VaxVsUnvaxed%2520Survey%2520Graphic-Updated.png?width=676&height=676

yea it has been proven that ppl who are vaccinated are more likely to have chronic illness

Where

No, you're allowing your child to develop their own immune system with far more advantages than being vaccinated and dependent on pharmaceutical assistance.

are you not reading the graphs the studies have been done

Could you please provide one double-blind, placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

I think they’re bullshit. I see no evidence

No

oh yea you can not

You deny evidence

I haven’t seen evidence

I’ve seen meaningless graphs

lol i have not seen any that says they are safe

He just gave you some, man.

That don’t have things backing them up

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-22-bombshell-new-video-exposes-horrifying-crime-of-vaccine-mandates.html

How dense can you be?

?

This?

i think you need to read above and see if you can answer any of the questions

i know you cant

but you can try

@Edillon <#551617059013001236> <-- look here

Notice the term ***failure!***

I trust you know what that means..

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but could the mortality rate be due to the large increase in population?

also I’m sure you know what is inside a vaccine

Could you please provide one double-blind, placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of vaccines? https://www.facebook.com/greenmedinfo/videos/2325821697679985/ this video covers why they dont do double blind studies hahahahahaha

such a scam on the ppl

There is not one double-blind, placebo-controlled study in the history of vaccine development that has ever proven their safety, effectiveness or achievements (unless those achievements have underlined their damage to human health).

What's inside a vaccine?
Formaldehyde
Aborted human tissue
Monkey cells
Yes, we know what is in vaccines.

Do you?

a dose of said disease. Now, considering the years that study took place, vaccines were probably less potent and contained a more dangerous dose of disease. Vaccines are not perfect by any means, but more research is done every year to improve effectiveness. Vaccines are not meant to harm you.

not to mention when you over vaccinate as they do it causes autoimmune and allergies to form

lol the years it took place hahahahaha

Could you please provide scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?
Could you please provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?
One of the most critical elements which defines the toxicity potential of any vaccine are its pharmacokinetic properties. Drug companies and health agencies refuse to consider the study, analysis or evaluation of the pharmacokinetic properties of any vaccine.
There is not one double-blind, placebo-controlled study in the history of vaccine development that has ever proven their safety, effectiveness or achievements (unless those achievements have underlined their damage to human health).
There are also no controlled studies completed in any country which have objectively proven that vaccines have had any direct or consequential effect on the reduction of any type of disease in any
part of the world.
Every single study that has ever attempted to validate the safety and effectiveness of vaccines has conclusively established carcinogenic, mutagenic, neurotoxic or fertility impairments, but they won't address those.

@Edillon ✌"research"✌ without tests for safety or effectiveness

Nice try

@🍄The Mad Philosopher🍄 check your dms

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3395253/

http://mainevaxchoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/VaccineAutismStudies.pdf 157 research papers most with links to the studies

I have a question that is kind of related

What do you think of dentist appointments

Do you consider things in toothpaste and whatnot dangerous

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-22-jama-study-drinking-fluoridated-water-causes-brain-damage-in-children.html

fluoride is a neurotoxin

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2748634

Not talking about water

I’m talking about toothpaste

not about pregnancy either

http://humansarefree.com/2019/02/cdc-issues-public-health-warning-for.html

I thought you didn’t believe the CDC

This makes no sense. You trust things only when it suits you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ClqK7XvfLg0

I’m sure it does

But not in toothpaste

yea it does it is the same lol

ever heard of dental fluorosis

or skeletal fluorosis ???

Yes

But that’s only with an excess amount

Which is true for many things

wonder why it says this on the back of toothpaste with fluoride in it???

Small doses are healthy, while large ones are not

under 6

Are you under 6?

lol any amount of a neurotoxin is not good wtf

There is literally zero health benefits

LOL

Then why did my tooth health increase after I brushed for multiple months with fluoride

also isn’t it only a toxin in gas form?

Or am I mistaken

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/08/14/fluoride-effects-in-children.aspx?e_cid=20120814_DNL_artNew_1?x_cid=01052013HPost

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/05/12/fluoride-overdose.aspx

you bathe in it too

Again

Excess

lol

lol

it eats thru concrete but it is ok to ingest hahahahaha

eats through concrete?

yea

Whoa my teeth are stronger than concrete

Lmao

not hahahaha

unepic

and if it made teeth stronger then ppl would not get dental fluorosis from it would they???

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/10/18/manganese-can-adversely-affect-childrens-intelligence.aspx?x_cid=01052013HPost

Reported effects of fluoride on your brain include:
• Reduction in nicotinic acetylcholine receptors
• Damage to your hippocampus
• Formation of beta-amyloid plaques (the classic brain abnormality in Alzheimer's disease)
• Reduction in lipid content
• Damage to purkinje cells
• Exacerbation of lesions induced by iodine deficiency
• Impaired antioxidant defense systems
• Increased uptake of aluminum
• Accumulation of fluoride in your pineal gland

@Edillon Your argument is ridiculously flawed. You don't need fluoride to increase your tooth health. The act of brushing your teeth, in general, is better for them than not doing it. Even if you don't use anything but water. There are also toothpastes **without** fluoride that do just as much good for your teeth, if not better, than typical toothpaste.
There is also baking soda that has an enormous potential for your health in various ways.

Seriously. Try again.

increased uptake of aluminum and they pump it into the sky and put it in vaccines amongst other things like shampoos and deoderants too

hahahahaha but that is ok hmmmmm

I’m aware about the second sentence @🍄The Mad Philosopher🍄

I’m saying if you already have damaged teeth

Normal toothpaste won’t cut it

Then you can fix them without needing fluoride

Source: me

In my experience

Brushing regularly didn’t fix them

Anecdotal information doesn't cut it

ppl had better health and teeth back in the day and all they did was neem and salt

Back in the day people thought mercury was good for you

that was they used to brush their teeth

What’s your point

they had healthier gums and teeth that is what

Maybe they didn’t eat the stuff most americans do today

like eating caramelized sugar

back of my tooth paste does not have a warning label telling me to contact poison control if swallowed

and i dont do sugar like that lol

There was a woman who lived to 94 in a nursing home my wife used to work at that had all her own teeth. My wife asked her what she did to keep them and she said she brushed with **baking soda and salt.**
Now, I know this is anecdotal and I just said something about it, but this used to be the norm before fluoride toothpaste.

Ew, stay away from processed sugar