https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-rand-paul-says-government-should-not-force-people-to-receive-vaccinations/2019/03/05/bfae6534-3f6e-11e9-9361-301ffb5bd5e6_story.html?fbclid=IwAR0-pzxKCS2nM9tCzO3kCueHS7SXv144jiHHa3sLyu4PMfFoTBD9KaBVxuk&tid=ss_fb&utm_term=.d7c8004261ad

(^^^Rand Paul saying people shouldn’t be forced to take vaccines.)

https://www.wakingtimes.com/2019/01/14/court-ruling-confirms-mercks-gardasil-hpv-vaccine-kills-people-did-anyone-even-notice/?fbclid=IwAR2i0WHBg3dQy0FZ_lUxfVZZtBs6gEo0kayTEPKwBmoG3DeJew5DdrmOM5Q

Vaccines are good for u

vaccines are yummmyyyy

mmm

i eat them on a spoon

and i inject broccoli in my bloodstream

The funny thing is the anti vaxx problem will eventually solve it self

>>mute @𝙘𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙗𝙤𝙮❗

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Oh

Sorry

Did I offend you?

Dont care

Did you?

No idea.

is the FE live discord fulll of trolls ?

Is it?

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/nvicp-tarsell-decision-hpv-vaccine-related-mortality-legal-errors/

even that website has it's wrongs

specifically I've measured the irony in the 'skeptical' community.
>Says appeal to authority is a logical fallacy
>Appeals to authority

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aw1oyqSKH0

not to mention the involvement of Dr. Paul Offit, obviously a pharma shill based on his statements and ties

he doesn't admit these ties

Ooh HPV virus. Sounds interesting. Im gonna look at that when i get home after i do the research i said i was gonna do 4ish days ago

Vaccines do more good than harm

@Triscuit - all 66 of them? 😆 ? lmaof at you, O'ignorant one...

?

What point are you trying to make here

vax is genocide -- just listen to bill gates -- tell u him self -
if we do really good with vax we can CURB the population by 1/3rd or was it 2/3rd's , --

why is it that if a parent spoon fed their kid a vax -they would be locked up ---
but u can get multiple shots , before there immune system gets a chance to develop and that's ''' fine '' >_< kind of like the gender bending ,, forced on un developed kids //
why are all vaccine companies exempt from liability ,,,
like monsantos , echo echo echo //

🤔 ..
https://www.naturalnews.com/040042_vaccine_schedule_immunizations_children.html

my POINT? hmm, how's that--for starters

@spiritualVapor somaRaSa because are immune system doesnt take effect well until it first finds the pathogen. Then sends it to a helper T which essentially gives it to thr lymph nodes that start making B cells. Then the B cells have to multiply up enough to make enough antibodies (which takes atleast 3 days). And then thr body has to go through the long process of removing the pathogen. The whole process takes like 2 weeks. Thr process is the same idea for a vaccine although it is atleast a weakened virus (assuming the company didnt mess up on your vaccine) so it may take a few days shorter but it is about 2 weeks still. Also multiple strains = multiple types of viruses you need immunity to which = multiple shots. I dont know why they dont put all of them in one. My guess would be that 3 weakened viruses can still overpower your immune system which would ruin the point of a vaccine if you got sick from all 3 of those strains (probably a lawsuit would follow and succeed if it was not the flu)

Also vaccinw companies are probably exempt (if they actually are which im assuming they are) unfortunately even though they shouldnt be is because technically when you sign the papers you say you wont blame them for what happens as with hospitals so they probably get away with it that way

But spreading an epidemic (not just getting one person sick) they would probably be shut down for because epidemics are evidently bad for the economy due to the working class being sick and dieing and places being shut down cause businesses to lose money

And we know the us gov covets its economy more than the morally right thing to do so theyll get their revenge

Vaccines are also a key part of herd immunity

I would assume so. I dont study herds and vaccinations though. Also theyre more quarenteened so theres less risk for vaccination

Vaccine your kids

While vaccines aren’t as dangerous as the diseases they prevent, I really think more care should be taken when handling vaccines. There should be tests to determine whether or not an allergic reaction would occur in the patient, among other things

some factors will flip that ratio

Oh no

Oh no oh no

You guys are anti-vaxx?

what makes people anti-vaxx in the first place?

and isn't that just a defamatory label?

Vaxx has saved the world like 20 times

Just sayin

Should NCVIA get repealed/reformed?
Read this before voting on any poll:
http://law.emory.edu/elj/content/volume-67/issue-3/articles/liability-vaccine-injury-united-european-world.html
Poll: https://www.strawpoll.me/18023907

@Triscuit not so much allergies those should be pretty obvious to the doctor if there are any. Eg flu vaccines are raised in eggs thus people who cant have eggs cant get them. But they should use not weakened viruses, but the protein coats of the virus. Unfortunately weakening viruses is easier than massive amounts of research so tons of the vaccines are just weakened viruses. Also we wouldnt be able to make the proteins fast enough and research an effective vaccine based on the protein for flu viruses if we did it like that. Plus one more thing. The weakened viruses im guessing are more effective (no citation) only because the protein coats cant replicate themselves alone and a milder "infection" would occur

Infections dont really show though when a vaccine isnt broken. Its just an existing part of the process

Or some short term vaccines just pump the antibodies in your blood but it only lasts about 3 weeks at most

that amount of time is insignificant

I'd still take higher doses of vitamin D supplements when required, depending on weather conditions

you also can use chicken soup against the flu

Ello

Eww

I wouldn't want to have a child like that

Totally won't vaccinate my nonexistent children

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdq6SAJ-K8Y

A friend of mine, he has a brother, his mom is Anti Vax so the parents split (that was prob just one reason), my friend lives with his dad, and his brother with his Anti Vax mom

Guess what one has autism

Vaccines are good for the most part but there are no doubts that they cause harm to a smaller percentage of children. If they were more upfront about the potential side effects of these vaccines, then there wouldn’t be such an uproar.

The Anti Vax mom’s kid had Autism

The vaccinated kid (my friend) does not

Sure

Nice fable

ever thought about ex-vaxxers?

hi im vaccinated and dont have autism

same

Tf

@Nico2020 i think you lie

nice story but it is nothing but a story

I believe in big pharma but I vaxx my kids

@Credibly Charted You, sir, are god

>>ban @jeffpacito^2

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@Nova 3233 cool. No trolling.

I was just stating a fact sorry

What give you the impression that is is a fable @Citizen Z or a lie @Wretch

As it is not

If I said it was the other way-round, would you take it at face value and believe it. I feel like you would, and that is extremely bias

@Nico2020 Because the vaccine insert say it can be a side effect so yea you have nothing but a story and nothing more. there is tons of evidence that it can be cause by vaccines . by you denying it shows you have not done your research

plus you believe mainstream hahaha need i say more

notice how you avoid the vaccine insert

@deletthisshygal I'm unworthy of such a title, sir

So people believe vaccine cause autism right? Then why are we all not autistic?

Not all anti-vaxxers believe that @pizza

There are lot a different vaccines so you'd be specific on which vaccine you think causes autism

I know just wanna see the people who believe that respond to see there logic.

I'm sure they'll be around soon enough they always are

Normally Lancelot, Citizen Z or Wretch come here to answer people about vaccines

Ok

I dont answer ppl. I just give my opinion

I expect everyone will find their own answers as others have

I personally do not care if ppl vaccinate themselves or their own children. Their body their choice.

Hm, alright

Who here believes vaccines are good for u?

Me me me me

🤚

Vaccines are good for you.

@Volvox - all 66 thousand of'em? 😆

ignorant little hewmans...

all however-many there are

😮

well, there are documented cases of bad vaccines, but they stand out

sorry, i was a bit ambitious

my ba

so,

vaccines work

yep

some are good, some are bad

and some people are susceptible to side effects, short term as well as long term

for good info, you can follow Sharyl Attkisson and Christopher Exley

https://archive.fo/gJwoA

the thing is, although vaccines are good, they have been turned against society by special interest groups

most don't know about six serious epidemics according to the provided article

My child got a vaccine and he now has autism

His vaccine caused autism

seems about right

There's scientific proof

karen's facebook page

very credible tbh

Not very credible if you ask me @Baffled

welcome to the joke

enjoy your stay

Even so, some people may actually think that is credible when compared to actual research

well i just got vaccinated today

ah

Vaccine
Vaccinate
Vaccination
Nation
Germany is a Nation
Nazi’s
Hitler
The third reich

In Conclusion: vaccines are a tool used to orchestrate the third reich

I have to admit, that is funny

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My cousin got vaccinated and is acting like a mentally disabled person

Idk the 2 seem related

Have you guys considered that maybe the idea of big pharma and the “dangers of vaccines” were implanted in our society by the Russians or the Chinese in order to weaken our healthcare? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Uh China has its own problems

Replace the word vaccine with car seat it sounds so wierd doesn’t it?

Not trying to say anything against this server btw

Not trying to say anything against this server btw

Replace the word mainstream with sheep

H

A

Citizen Z you thing vaccines cause autism

Citizen Z you thing vaccines cause autism

Or nah fam

Wth why is my text repeating

Citizen of you not thing that or do you think vaccines cause autism

sheep media...

I'd replace mainstream with mockingbird

lots of trolls/shills here are mockingbirds

I donno. Wat don yu thing? @Thanos

Msg me

PrivTe chat

How bout this

>>mute @Thanos

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I'll keep identifying the mockingbirds

they don't know who their argument favors regardless of benefits/risks

pro-vaccine shills are present in JRE podcast comment sections

often they appeal to authority

Many of them do it for free it seems

they've been psy-opd to do the governments work for them

if we had economic knowledge about advertisement value, we should calculate that value

problem is that the effort will remain power intensive if not enough researchers are present

if we can put that price and spread that number, it'll make some sense

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Vaccinate your kids

yep, all 66,000 of them (vaxxes) <:lul:484994724118134784> ...smfh at you ignorant sheeple........

@Magical Sheep what are you some type of authoritarian?

No lmao

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>>ban @I am Acoustic

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Is this serious and unbiased discussion?

@Citizen Z lol those name are wild

Whos names?

**Vaccines do not cause autism simple**
If you think they do I would love to here reasoning behind it. Just ping me

@MrGaminDuck feel free to read the many rooms full of info. No one has even claimed any particular vaccines causes autism btw

I'm just seeing if anyone has

I didn't bother to scroll up to far

No you are seeing things that are not there

Part of the programming

Try thinking for yourself

Can you elaborate?

To me, it seems like just because you seen a vaccine discussion, you decided others here are promoting the autism idea. You didnt even look at the info here but you make a claim as if you know already.

Whenever I go into a vaxx chat I always find that claim. So my bad. I'll read ahead next time

look up the guy who got polio vax passed , he vaxed his grand kids on stage b/c he had stocks and shares in the company ,, with in a week both kids were dead /

What was the time period for this

bill gates admitts vax will lower the population #'s ,, open genocide , so is that a good thing ,
like ted turner says

What about doctors and how they have years and years of study to back up their claims

studies that they control and hav not done for more than a few weeks , just like the GMO studies , ,, it's safe up intell a few weeks then no more testing was done ,, /
look at the kids who get the vax , they all hav issues , // who gets sick more un-vaxed kids or vaxed kids , ?

IDK when the polio vax was passed or approved
i just know the story of how it was passed b/c ppl thought it was ok , he shot his family with it so ,, it's kool ,

I only have a basic understanding of vaccines but I know (or atleast I believe) that they activate the body's immune system to fight off the dead cells. That's why you get a fever sometimes if you are just vaccinated. Or an allergic reaction could take place that may or may not be useful

And the chemicals are safe unless your allergic to them. A way to think of it is like this:
Sodium, a toxic metal that in big enough quantities can kill you.
Chlorine, a poisonis gas that can kill you with very little dosage.
You put sodium and chlorine together you end up with...
Table salt, a harmless thing we put on food

Some of that is flawed but ok

Polio was 90% wiped out b4 the vaccine

In America

Fever would occur like 3 days afterwards.

Yeah thats true

Polio is caused by contamination in food and water

Eating poop

Lets see if some 3rd world countries were unaffected

in 1997, prominent medical journal The Lancet published research claiming to have found a link between the measles vaccine and autism. As a result, in following years the parents of over a million British children decided not to vaccinate their kids. The research has since been thoroughly debunked, but the number of measles cases has skyrocketed, from just several dozen a year in 1997 to over 2,000 cases in 2011. Similar outbreaks have occurred throughout the United States, involving both measles and whooping cough, with doctors and officials blaming low rates of vaccination.

@Citizen Z do you have the source of your claim that polio was 90% wiped out before vaccine?

Look into it

https://thevaccinereaction.org/2015/08/how-plumbing-not-vaccines-eradicated-disease/

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/10/27/didnt-vaccines-eradicate-diseases-an-untold-truth-about-vaccines/

98% of ppl who got polio basically just had the flu

Then they were protected the rest of their life

The year before the vaccine was introduced it says there was around 1000 deaths from polio

50+ thousand people die each year now from the flu

Polio was eradicated by clean drinking water

this is why I think we should put criteria for meta-analysis studies that are good

here are the following criteria that make sense, and has good reasons too:
-presence of a placebo controlled group.
```Sugar placebo for pills, saline for injections, otherwise false placebo```
-sample size at has at least 120 participants per group, this means at least 240 participants
```A small sample size means p-hacking and is a hasty generalization```
-latency lasts at least 5 to 10 years long, depending on the questions and requests for better knowledge
```a latency lasting a few months or a few weeks on humans is not an observation of long term effects, therefore anyone claiming studies prove it's safe only base it on studies that have a short latency```
-absence of conflicts of interest
```Any study that likely favors institutions, corporations, governments and other special interest groups likely has manipulated results. Sometimes done with removing some results over fear of losing reputation of product. Studies with no conflicts of interest, where scientists have no stocks in any industry relevant to what they are studying, are independent studies.```
-in case genes are involved, it's important to mention gene-environment (GXE) interactions
```Genes and environment are known to interact. For instance, a person with a mutation that limits his ability to detoxify from heavy metals can make that manifest as a neurodevelopmental disorder.```

The use of such criteria is power intensive, but makes a lot of sense. Since this leads to better accuracy of meta-analysis. These criteria function as a filter.

https://realnewsaustralia.com/2018/12/20/infanrix-hexa-65-toxins-found-all-risk-no-benefit/

Found Morocco, a 3rd world country in africa at todays date yet it was free of polio since 1988 even from the outbreak in 2011. Which means that polio cant be caused by feces alone and also we have already linked feces contaminated drinking water to polio the only difference is the feces has to be polio infected which tends to happen when your water supply is feces infected and a someone with the virus goes to the bathroom

https://www.wisconsinforvaccinechoice.org/autism-vaccines/

I cant belive this has escalated this far

To the point we are now arguing over vaccines...

It gets people sick my dude

A dead virus?

That's like saying they cause autism

In which you cannot "contract" autism, you are either born with it or you arent

Ik

But it does cause illness

If you aren't compatible

Which should have test for it

But most vaccines don't

All vaccines are tested for human use

Often tested on pigs or monkeys, and on select volunteer humans

Some people can react badly to a vaccine, it happens

So your telling me

We are all the same?

We're all mammals

Yes

But not all the same

We all have similar ancestors

We may have 99.99% of the same genetics

But look around you

That. 001% can kill you

Some people are allergic to certain things

And some aren't

I never said people arent allergic