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would you rather?
Get an infectious disease or live with a chronic disease?
Is this really a choice
I choose option C
Die
there are a lot of ways to die
it's simple
generally, I'd still prefer infectious disease. Depending on which of course
Vaccines are good
@Lancelot well if you choose infectious disease that would mean everyone around you including yourself would suffer. So you'd probably get shot before you have the chance to run around
<@572799652219453460> Naw they give you Autism. I'd rather my kids and I die from measels than to somehow contract a genetic disease from nothing.
Because I'm "logical" and I do my "research"
He's joking, ye
<@572799652219453460> vaccine insert says it does cause autism and Sids . they are listed as a adverse effect that can happen from the vaccine
<@572799652219453460> what school?
@Citizen Z ๐
sup bro
Sup
Not much
just stopping by to check on the chat and saw they dont believe vaccines cause autism , so i had to set the record straight lol
They think big pharma is trying to help them
more bad news for them
They think the pharmaceutical companies make profit by helping
they should know if they curve you , you are no longer their customer and cant make more money off you so it would defeat their purpose of being in business
they dont want to cure you just mask the symptoms and treat the symptoms not the root cause of the problem
Though just the name HPV strikes fear into the hearts of many, for the most part, it is totally harmless.
I don't think anyone claimed that pharmaceutical companies are actually helping anyone
I certainly didn't
They'd be working on cures and genetic immunity, not symptom treatment and temporary immunity
It's all profit, sure. But when there are hundreds of millions of living examples of proof to the validity of vaccines, they at least do their job
I wonder if Anti Vaxx's think about how doctors get their vaccines. If they secretly knew they were poison why would they take them? Hmm maybe this is to logical to think about. Guess I go 70mph in an elementary School zone and hope nobody dies. Because taking risks like that is perfectly logical and if you disagree then obviously you havent done your research.
Careful, last I heard from an admin they prefer the term "immunohoaxers." unsure if that's just them or that's enforced
But I would assume they would think doctor fake their vaccination records
doctors buy them
or get batches from governmental organizations who bought them
<@572799652219453460> that pathogen is either weakened or dead. Or they use a weaker variant or any toxoids. Other ingredients used are adjuvants, preservatives and other substances
some of the substances are of concern, especially for those who are sensitive to them. Take for instance polysorbate 80 or tween 80
and speaking about vaccine injuries, whether it's a small percentage or a large one doesn't matter. The cases matter and should be confronted and prevented, not rationalized nor neglected as doctors often do
@Citizen Z not only does that text box not have who said it, but it also has crap Grammer. Im not taking that seriously.
@Pinnaplia what's wrong with the grammar?
Also, why do you not take that seriously?
More people die from a cold than measles
Fallacy.
You cant possibly know what every doctor thinks or does.
Willful ignorance.
Says the flat earther
Also saying that is cute because you didn't give me an option to learn earlier
vax your children now ligma is spreading
I didnt give you an option to learn? What does that even mean?
Says the globe earther
The globe earther that thinks the CDC has bad grammar and doesn't take the CDC seriously.
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80,000 people died from the flu in 2017 2018 winter in the US
How many died of measels?
The Public Health Reports study also found that families of unvaccinated kids are more likely to be:
โข Wealthier on average, with annual incomes more than four times the poverty level
โข Non-Hispanic white
โข Married couples in English-speaking households
โข Educated, with college degrees, and
โข Covered by private health insurance.
Only about 70% of children are vaccinated with 7 series
Interesting info there
safety remains the main priority, over the fact that still no long term studies have been done. These studies need the following criteria for proper safety testing: latency for at least 10 years, the presence of an inert placebo group (saline as placebo, not aluminum) and the reproducibility by all parties including third parties.
Furthermore, there's much appeal to authority from the proponents, who keep pointing at certain studies, that only study one vaccine out of many. Epidemiologically it's a meaningless study due to it's healthy user bias. The other side has just a growing pile of studies, that point to mechanisms. They connect them to show how aluminum salts that don't dissolve in water, when administered via intramuscular injection (which happens at nearly all vaccinations), can cause autism. The most recent study came from 5 years ago, pointing that there may be a causal link between aluminum administered via vaccines and autism. The reason that their conclusion say that it may be so, is due to the absence of an inert placebo control group. In other words, if such a study is performed again, but with the presence of a placebo control group (double blind), it will either show the causal link or debunk that link. Mechanism on the other hand is already known. How do macrophages respond to aluminum particles that don't dissolve in water?
autism has a life expectancy of 36 years
whether you like it or not, it's in general about a neurodevelopmental disorder, in this, developmental delays fall under it's definition
whether it's the inflammation of the brain or an oxygen deficiency, it can manifest as such
vaccines dont cause autism
have you read this? https://archive.fo/Xy55r
im not bothered reding that
explain what it ses
the study has just made the question, just reading the conclusion is enough to know what the study says.
it says that aluminum vaccine adjuvants (which don't dissolve in water) may have a causal link with autism
where is the proof
when it comes to proof, they say that further research is warranted
for now, there's neither evidence that shows the aluminum has a causal link, nor evidence that debunks that link between aluminum and autism
in fact, debunking without evidence is unscientific
yes
so it doesnt cause aautism
that's only proven by the studies that have a healthy user bias present, which at the same time just tested one vaccine and didn't look for the other vaccines
furthermore the scientists behind the study that "debunks" the link have stocks in pharmaceutical companies that manufacture vaccines, so what would you expect from these scientists?
did you know that manufacturers can't be held accountable for vaccine injury?
ooft
where is proof that it actually causes autis?
there you go again, burden of proof
whats wrong with needing of proof
the focus was on the functionality, lets move onto the mechanism
the mechanism has enough to say, connecting the dots will come to that conclusion
non of those can apply without proof
here's the pile
sheeple sent me a chart showing people with autism when vaccined and how many people with autism without being vaccined
which was biased
one of the statements is that the immune activation in the brain is causal factor for NDDs
i have very low space
cant download
you need a PC
im on a mac
same thing
how much ram at maximum?
200mb
8gb for my pc
ooft
capacity of C drive is 111 gb
oh my
so much
yup
but
when it comes to buying a good pc, it's better to have one that's a beast
there is no proof that vaccines cause autism
just sayin
there's neither proof that says otherwise
which is the reason it's still up for research and debate
what made people think that vaccines cause utism
what they or their friends experienced
seeing a child going in regression, shortly after vaccination, no longer being able to do what they've reached before
and further resulting into developmental delays
but autism usually shows around 12 to 18 months
and babies get vaccinated around 12-15 months of age
so it may seem like kids are getting autism from vaccines
but it really isnt
the definition of autism comes as a cluster of symptoms that represent developmental delay at the aspects of communication and socialization
yep
these developmental delays were observed among these children
have you ever compared mercury poisoning symptoms to autism symptoms?
nei
ooft
i just reasearched
you can compare symptoms and look at which sound familiar to you
treating the disorder at it's causes is one solution to many. If air pollution for instance is a causative factor, what measures would you have taken?
kill cows
they fart methane
Non peer reviewed
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im a anti-anti-vax
and i have been vxinated
and experienced no autistc symptoms
and our school vaccinates us
so most of the 1200 people in my school are vaccinated
and there was no autism
@Lancelot burden of proof falls on the claim of โvaccines cause autismโ
Thats how burden of proof works
it also does for the opposite
No
LOL
yes and vaccines dont cause autism
wazzaaaah
Thats not how burden of proof works
Lmao do you know what it means
bullocks
some people cannot have vaccines due to allergies
allergic to eggs
sometimes sensitive to polysorbate 80
which is like 10 peeps in my school
Thats like
โGod exist.โ
โProve it.โ
โProve to me god doesnt exist then!โ
Burden of proof falls on the initial claim aka โvaccines cause autismโ
prove that vaccines cause autism
the existence of God is neither proven nor disproven, there are just theories behind it based on reason alone
Lmao bruh
This is just about the phrasing you used โburden of proofโ
Okay fine prove me a negative
the burden of proof falls on both
so vaccines dont casue autism
NO
Okay wanna see how thos works
where is proof
Prove to me that invisible purple monsters dont exist
stop avoiding it
prove it
Prove it
here's another problem, strawman and false dichotomy
avoiding as usual
Lance, burden of proof does not fall on both parties in this situation. If you believe that then you fundamentally dont understand the term โburden of proofโ
very typical of anti vax
I've already said, there's no conclusive proof
so
there's just mixed publications
it doesnt cause autism
who follows Corbett Report?
nope
never heard of it
and from this discussion
vaccines dont causie autism
it's more accurate to say that vaccines could cause autism
this especially applies when it contain aluminium salts
but where is proof
the proof says it could, I've already shown the publication
@Alexandre#2107 you remind me of a robot
@Pinnaplia you have nothing of value to add here. When will you show us real information? Or do you have none? Just opinion?
Source is CDC
@Pinnaplia
The globe earther that thinks the CDC has bad grammar and doesn't take the CDC seriously.
he left
probably a shill
Someone muted him
@Alexandre โ
Hey any anti-vaxxers here, explain how vaccines cause harm and cause autism
they dont
Explain how they dont
Im interested
@boonie1020 go somewhere else then
Let me help you out ok
!mute @boonie1020
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u guys made the claim that it cause autism
and i found no proof that it does
if vaccines cause autism, then explain me this antivaxxers
Checkmate
is there not a epidemic of autism , ?
if vax work so well then why don't they protect against un-vaxed ppl // proof they don't work , only kill , just like bill gates said
no, they just know how to diagnose it now
autism is not a terrible awful thing. its not an awful disease.
@spiritualVapor somaRaSa we are not completely immune to diseases
vaccines have weakend versions of diseases
and it trains our body to fight it
basic knowledge my dude
@Pinnaplia you provided nothing
>>ban @Pinnaplia
<:vSuccess:390202497827864597> Successfully banned @Pinnaplia
!mute @TheBubbleThug
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@Citizen Z ๐ _clapping_
<:BigGrin:507986757753634826> ๐
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lol, smfh at that @Pinnaplia#5281 guy, smh...
@Alexandre <#551617059013001236>
Checkmate
@The Gwench you are welcome. It is so important for all of us and our DNA.๐
ikr
nagalase suppresses the immune system through deglycosylating the protein GcMAF (Globulin component Macrophage Activating Factor), which causes that protein to remain unable to bind to vitamin D. This part is a key mechanism for macrophage activity
to those who don't understand what macrophages are, it comes from two greek words, macro = big and phage = eater. In other words, big eater.
Here you talk about big cells that capture pathogens
This sounds normal
Ban anyone with an opinion
<:CHECK6:403540120181145611> **Truman#5675** was muted
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<:CHECK6:403540120181145611> **Truman#5675** unmuted
Why exactly was I muted
Vaccines are good
Your children need them
Careful citizen Z might fly off the handle and mute you for no reason
<:CHECK6:403540120181145611> @Doggo has been warned
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Dang
He is trash
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