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I think just as Jews thought they were getting a shower, patients receiving vaccines think they are getting protected.

Ohhh

Very scientific statement

@ZeroT He was clearly expressing his opinion. Your sarcasm is not appreciated here.

Unlike you, who states things as fact, when you are really only giving your opinion. I think you are a weak debater...my friend.

WHAAAAT

This is an opinion for you?

To compare Holocaust with vaccines?

I do not state my opinion as facts

A new study just came out proving yet again that autism and vaccines are not related (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30831578)

A new study shows more and more correlations with vaccines and autism

@carth government sucking

No medical charts reviewed

"Strongly supports"

That means its bullshit

Good luck convincing ppl to believe your Gods.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/02/09/692819105/defying-parents-a-teen-decides-to-get-vaccinated

This guy made it just fine. Was he brainwashed?

24 studies that destroy the mainstream propaganda http://avoiceforchoice.org/issues/pharmaceuticals-and-vaccines/24-studies/

So what do I believe?

Is there a correlation?

Or is it something else?

GMOs?

Plastics?

Chemicals in our water?

What exactly is causing the rise in autism?

@carth The study you provided was funded by the Novo Nordisk Foundation..which is owned by Novo Holdings. There is a clear conflict of interest in that study. Novo Holdings invests heavily into medical ventures. They are worth 60 billion.

So is there any scientific data that proves vaccines or bad or is it just that people refuse to believe the government

Most of the talk about vaccines are the metals involved, when individuals unknowingly consume more than 30mg of aluminum a day, while vaccines have less than 1.5mg

do you read?

As a matter of fact I do

Great!!

then you can figure it out all by yourself!

😃

Great argument

What argument?

I just posted questions

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/03/03/teen-got-vaccinated-against-his-parents-wishes-now-hell-testify-before-congress/?noredirect=on

opinions?

seems like his mom took good care of him. he will prolly get sick all the time now

😂

guys where the evidence that vaccines are good

in school i learnt how they helped us but i think theyre a waste

U

i heard they cause autism

U got vaccinated and ur retarded

actually i am very smart

No ones on this one

Just us

All alone

yh lets find anothetr

At last

Bible study

VACCINES WORK

Alright, @CJED has been warned for '**Capital letters**'.

vaccinate your kids

Wait

So they are encouraging the idea that vaccines don’t work on this server?

Wha-

How do I get roles

No clue my dude

Just joined today so I could listen to the people in vc discuss lmao

It’s funny

Wtf is climate propaganda

Oh yeah me too

Come from memeulous

?

Saaame

Dude, you wanna know what bothers me about vaccines?

The fact that parents would rather have their kids DIE than be autistic.

Because according to them, vaccines cause autism but everyone knows that.

And also the <#551433518991933442> is pissing me off rn

Like ugh

Everybody, please vaccinate your children

I dont want to see you sad when your kid dies 3 years after its born

I dont want to see other kids get diseases

Dont do it for yourself but for your kid

Kids have been dying regardless of vaccines according to the data

@Deleted User no one is dying from being unvaxxed

<@439235639804952581> prove your claims with independent studies

Sure they did

Lol

Its debunked

Check the info in the other channels

!unmute @Cupcakes

Cupcakes#0099 (541471207720222721) is now unmuted! <:THUMBSUP6:403560443345371137>

<@439235639804952581> check the other channels

I dont have time for you atm. Watching a movie

Great thanks!

Channel back open to enrollee

Do people actually believe this shit

Sadly

Did you guys read anything. @Xplorer @King Of Karma ♡

Donut

@davod12345 no trolling. <#517207579273854977>

Ok

ty

I will be peaceful

ty

I’m going to bed for now

Have a good night

ok me too in a bit

you too.

vaccines work change my mind.

@Gibble ..
go watch the film "Vaxxed" i posted, ..m'kay -- hows that for starters?
you can downlod it

<#551936530436849666> has a lot of info

https://mobile.twitter.com/Stutzy6/status/1106547124743876608

Vaccines are there to help you

If your not vaccinated your endangering people around you

After all we wouldn’t want to have another measles outbreak

@Explain_It_Kakyion go watch the film "Vaxxed" i posted, ..m'kay -- hows that for starters?
you can downlod it

or? ...or go stand in line for your Flu shot...etc, ..u dummy..........

So your not vaccinated

They have prevented lots of deaths

im 43 y/o

i had about 5

now? how many they give ya'all?! 😆 ??..

33 shots?..

lmfaoff

u effn dummy! LOL..

Zzz...

@Explain_It_Kakyion

Well that’s ur opinion man

But I don’t want to have to worry about another pandemic of a virus that can easily be prevented by vaccines

FEAR PORN dude

smh / sigh : /

wow ..

Porn?

"Fear porn"

m'kay?..

yeah

I’m lost man

What are you talking about

@✧Mike Flatbird (Mike Blackbird)✧

Stop linking the same video

It’s retarded

Excuse me , not my conversation , but i must say , @Explain_It_Kakyion , you're lost , because you were never on the right page , as the big boss upstairs once told me , " if their under 30 yrs old , they are a liability , i don't even want them walking into the farm yard

K

@Gibble , show some respect to your knowledgable elders

This quote on quote "discussion" seems quite one sided

I'm obsessed with vaccines

not all of them are dangerous, but everyone should still beware of faulty vaccines

yeah those are the 1/300000 type vaccines that may cause a seizure at worst, the risks are weighed up against the benefits. if the side effects of drug X in 1 in 10 vomiting for a cold that's unacceptable but for a cancer treatment that's acceptable bc it's designed to save ur life not stop a headache or smth

btw, it could be an belitteling you could do. Long term effects haven't been studied

first of, higher levels of aluminum have been found in the brain of autistics (lab test method: GF-AAS)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X17308763

https://www.mendeley.com/catalogue/aluminium-brain-tissue-multiple-sclerosis/

and more in the brains of those with MS

now that may be true but have u considered how when a chemical is excess to the body we tend to excrete it? so when excess aluminium compounds enter the body above what your body considers normal it will excrete it

the substance causes an immune response that includes IL-6

depends on how you inject it too

if injected into venes, could be likely, but mostly it's injected intramuscular

on excretion, this can be increased when consuming more orthosilicic acid, which forms complexes with aluminum

therefore if you are not autistic then ur body will excrete the aluminium compounds. idk a whole lot about injection methods but i do have a reasonable understanding of transfer of materials and mechanics of the body. so when it enters the muscle it will be processed by the cells. that aluminium has a good chance of being broken down for a more useful compound so will then treat the excess as waste and therefore excrete it

il-6 as in interleukin 6? i could've sworn that's a gene not a response or substance

or is it a protein?

Il-6 is a cytokine

just like Il-1 and Il-17

ah ok yeah causing inflamation right?

*inflammation

yup

not to mention this publication
chrome-extension://oemmndcbldboiebfnladdacbdfmadadm/http://vaccinepapers.org/wp-content/uploads/Brain-IL-6-and-autism.pdf

is that peer reviewed?

how do i spea

speak

yup

ok let me give it a quick look

here's another study to read

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0162013417304749

so IL-6 is involved in a lot of mental conditions or conditions in the CNS?

both

yeah that was meant to be an and mb

I think AHCC would be safer in general, since that's not occuring in the form of nanoparticles like aluminum hydroxide or aluminum phosphate would, yet still has adjuvant activity

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027153171200228X

this study has some indication on that, which should be further researched

so yeah there's definitely an argument for that but when taking things from organic sources and then putting them into another organism's muscle tissues or bloodstream can have undesired consequences due to the nature of organic compounds but i would also argue that it may be more expensive than the aluminium compounds used and from what i'm aware of will carry more risk of being synthesised into an undesired compounds

furthermore there's no neurological adverse reaction reported

there may not be a neurological effect to the injections but it might prolong responses at the site of injection

depends on what happens to the aluminum, but a mechanism behind this could also be going through the lymphatic system, not just the bloodstream

by first getting 'eaten' by macrophages, that then go into the lymphatic system. If these macrophages brake down in that system, the aluminum nanoparticles are released and can go to the brain

thus causing the same immunostimulation in the brain, which is unintentional

one of my teachers did part of his degree in natural sciences (basically u choose the courses from all fields) and one of his fields was organic compounds to inorganic synthesis and that includes both directions of synthesis and with the use of aluminium there is much less risk of synthesis producing an undesired compound whether it is inorganic or organic than using an organic compound

yeah i get where you're coming from and there are advantages to ur idea but as i've mentioned using organic compounds can still carry risks of unintended synthesis

that's understandable, where I've got another idea to find a safer way to get the intended compound

through extracting the AHCC from shiitake mushrooms

ok so fair enough but it's still an organic compound so still runs the risk of having unintended consequences which may make the vaccines unviable due to there being too greater risk for what is being vaccinated against

indeed

do you also believe the US has excess vaccines?

furthermore, organic compounds, even synthetic organic compounds have been injected in patients with other conditions. For instance, you have a nurse injecting haldol in a schizophrenia patient

i'm not entirely sure about excess vaccines bc idk how long they can be stored and in what conditions they need to be stored in as that's not where my knowledge lies. when i say synthesis i mean your body reacting the compounds to create new compounds (synthesis literally meaning creation/creation of)

you can compare the US vaccine schedule to Iceland's vaccine schedule

the US has most vaccines in schedule compared to other nations

ah right yeah that would make sense tbh as it is one of the largest HICs if not the largest

in my nation, nearly half of the nurses don't take the flu shot LOL

yeah u can usually rely on herd immunisation tbf

happens always with flu, natural immunisation

there's however a difference between natural immunisation and vaccination about the antibodies and which parts of the immune system are involved

getting the flu is worth more than a flu shot

yeah true but also note that the flu is a good way to get off of work if u would get sick pay and it's unlikely to kill u anyway

i don't take the flu shot either

ngl you should def take vaccine if you dont want to be fucked

my parents where anti vax and i ended up getting blood tetanus

bloody

to that, I would say that some vaccines are necessary

so unless your wanna experince worse pain in your life for months on end

DTP is necessary

you are fat

vacies cAUSED ME TO HAVE Autism

va will not halp you

^ sry bad english

nice strawman @Stone Roses

Alright, @Mediterranean Salad has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

y thnk u

pls

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-03/jai-heb032114.php
AHCC has shown promise in fighting/eradicating HPV (take 3 grams once a day)
Phase II clinical study to be published in december this year

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT02405533

🙏

yeah i've taken all the vaccines that i need to. i just don't take flu shots

@Lancelot @Lancelot

that seems pretty interesting lance

epic

@Lancelot i habe kwestion

if it would be scientifically proven to be effective, it would render HPV vaccines obsolete

Alright, @Mediterranean Salad has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

ask me anything Ajay

what is inside vax?

i think the problem comes more to the point of having to take it each day

which makes the vaccine slightly easier and more likely cheaper

also the main reason is to reduce cervical cancer right? so having people take supplements while is a good thing the issue of personally choice that give the opportunity for it to continue to be an issue instead of eradicating it due to people not trusting it. in my country it is very difficult to withdraw ur child from the hpv vaccine

also it's nice to see there's someone who actually has a good understanding and isn't just vaccine bad vaccine causes autism and then just pulls out some study that was done in the interest of proving that it causes autism and hasn't been peer reviewed

when it comes to what is inside it, there are other compounds that are highly suspected, not all vaccines contain them, but some do depending on what the insert says or lab results show (you can do by sampling a vaccine and taking it to the lab)

examples are thimerosal, an organic compound of mercury and polysorbate 80, which has been associated with ovary problems (including infertility) and there are some humans allergic to it (or have adverse response).
Although the scientific community claims thimerosal has been removed from all vaccines, you can refute this claim by just looking at the inserts. Example 1: tetanus shot from Bilthoven biologicals still contains thimerosal and has therefore a warning to not administer it to pregnant women
Example 2: Flulaval (flu vaccine made by GSK) says on label it contains thimerosal, confirmed via ICP-MS
to such an extend, if there would be a vaccine competitor using no suspicious compounds, that company is likely to win the competition in the current situation

Here's a study about adverse reactions to polysorbate 80: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/pharmacology-toxicology-and-pharmaceutical-science/polysorbate-80
a solution would be a pre-screening to test for allergy for that compound, if positive, polysorbate 80 containing vaccines shouldn't be administered

for HPV, pap smears are far more effective, it actually should be done for women 25 years and older

or if they suspect it

yeah it's very effective but the lead cause of cervical cancer is getting HPV iirc

indeed

but yeah pap smears are very important as well, i'd be an idiot to deny that

to some extend, there's some debate about measles, it could cause complications and death, but hygiene and good nutrition (vitamin A and C) make it less severe. Reasons are that measles makes you more vurnable to other pathogens that make it harder for the immune system to fight. Good hygiene would make you less vurnable to other pathogens. The pro however is that if you survive measles (happens in majority), you'll get immune from it for the rest of your life

to test for immunity, ask for a blood titer

did you know that some measles cases were actually misdiagnosed as such and actually cases of the reaction to the MMR vaccine?

good hygiene is improving but i would argue good nutrition is not going the same way

yeah a couple people in my year got measles like symptoms after the MMR vaccine

there's been proof that vitamin A deficiency is a major cause of higher mortality in measles cases

yeah i don't doubt that

it would be reasonable to give a patient with this both vitamin A supplements as well as high dose vitamin C (including IV)

yeah definitely although generally when u start eating really healthy after u get ill it's not usually effective

with vitamin C iv however, you have 100% absorption rate, 50 grams of it is used regularly which is equal to 1000 oranges

yeah true