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The point is is what government does is they tell you you are guilty you have sinned just pay us money And you will be forgiven
Its a guilt tax
They make you feel bad
Then you are willing to pay.
yeah in some regards but is this the same thing?
The earth is fine.
so polar bears migrating far enough south to interbreed with grizzly bears albeit only a few confirmed cases isn't proof of anything at all whether it be climate change or anything else?
ah yes donโt you hate when the animal species dramatically drops in population?
Its nothing more than an attempt (a brilliant one) to charge you a sin tax.
But you never did anything wrong.
it is so sad that they die.
canโt believe they all got old and died just like that
Animals die. Yes it's very sad.
all of them.
Species grow and decline their populations
Its how nature works
so it's harming the ecosystem for polar bears to be killed off by unnatural causes. now let me ask why they're being killed off by something that isn't their fault or fluctuations of their prey what is it?
don't preach basic ecology to me
We dont know. We would have to go there and study them
Even thr photographers that took the photos of the dying bear admit its not cause of climate change.
According to mainstream science. A volcano could erupt and block out the sun and the ice caps could cover north America in a short time. Again. Anytime.
Then the polar bears will thrive eventually again
They arent even endangered. They are vulnerable.
And i dont believe the counts.
i think the polar bears would freeze to death then
tbh
Not all of them
They would migrate south
Some would likely survive
โ I am TEN BEARSโ
@Citizen Z what is the point of the government lying about dead polar bears
for fun?
So you acknowledge they lie?
governments lie all the time, but for a reason. regardless of the reason why would they lie about polar bear deaths?
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Just 100 companies are responsible for 71 percent of the CO2 yet the layman must pay the bill, because campaign donations say so.
Money
but goverments lying about climate change would require that CO2 doesnt do anything to the atmosphere? is there any evidence of that?
It's a tricky one
What I've heard is that C02 creates a one way blanket that allows heat in but does not allow heat out
Well Something to that affect anyway
But I don't know much about it
What I do know is that smog is a real thing, and that Carbon particles released from co2 emitting buildings/cars also are a problem and cause early death
So I can't see why there would be any active support for fossil fuels
People in the cities often blow their nose and it's black with soot. Now tell me that's something we shouldn't worry about?
i think anyone thinking that climate change isnt real just needs to walk into a green house and see where the name comes from
yeah have you seen china?
Even the smog over London in the UK is very noticeable, it's awful to see
And I think it's wonderful that people are doing their own research etc. But I do worry that climate hoax people will start to put people off caring for the environment and everything else that goes with pollution
It's sad when the climate is mentioned, but in a more environmental sense and you're talking about plastic pollution and breathing problems in Cities, and someone just goes "pffft that government hoax? No thank you"
It's like hang on people are dying here, not just humans but the animal kingdom too
over here in nz anti pollution and green energy is quite a thing but we only have 4 mil so ๐ฆ
Even if you don't believe in the warming of the climate, the benefits that green energy provide in terms of other pollution problems are beneficial
ultimatley i would put cancer and other health issues as more scary than this cell phone radiation or whatever is being come up with because unlike cellphone radiation which may cause cancer this stuff does cause cancer
Yep
it is in terms of price
some parts of the world cant run hydro electrics and wind power for decent prices but thats where nuclear comes in i guess
Everything has a cause and effect. If I get a cat, I'll likely have less birds visit my garden etc. So I don't understand what it's hard to see that Carbon dioxide pollution will likely have some kind of effect, and probably one that no one will be able to predict. so why take that risk? I've always thought preventing Something is easier and pays off in the long run, than waiting for something bad to happen and then go about curing it
looking foward to fusion power i guess
Them fusion pellets
well its allready having an effect thats the thing
It's sad
And not enough people care
Sure, it could just be "another cycle in our planets history" but what if it's not? Why are so many people willing to gamble the future of life on earth like that
It honestly shocks me
well "another cycle" in the earths history isnt exactly something we should be looking foward to
i think most people reckon they will be dead by the time it takes effect so its easier to be ignorant
Co2 is good i want 50% extra
Help my house is effected by the earth temperatures and i had to install my AC unit
Its getting warm
Climate change is real
Citizen. Dude youโre just on fire today with your incorrect info.
Whats incorrect?
Climate change is code for gimme money
Politicians and government want your money
The sun drives the climate
All these underpaid scientist lying and billion dollars oil companies telling the truth amirite ๐ค ๐ค
@Citizen Z and oil companies don't want your money ? Even tho there was no global warming the resources on our planet are very limited so we should still concentrate on renewable energy, but climate change is real
Oil resources are not limited
No reason to believe we are running out of oil. If you read about it, they say that some oil reservoirs recharge themselves..not to mention the reservoirs we havent tapped or found.
whether or not climate change is being used by people for their own benefit is irrelevant to the claim that the climate is changing due to man's output. And we can prove that
Lol
You cant prove anything
You have temperature data that doesnt support global warming
A fear of co2
Lol
Are you better than scientists at analyzing the link between CO2 levels and temperature on earth
Btw, I see that you are some kind of admin and I want to thank you for not muting/banning the people who do not think the same way you do, I respect that.
What scientists?
The ones that say everything is fine?
Or the biased ones paid to create fake climate science?
the scientific consensus is over 95% in favour of climate change, what evidence would you like me to show you?
Not over 95%, 100% appart from those who are lying because they have interests or are paid to manipulate public opinion.
@Citizen Z I'd really like to see some unbiased scientific studies or scientists that said that climate change doesn't exist ( or that humans aren't causing it)
there are a few that don't agree, but they are an absolute terrifying minority. But the conspiranauts experience confirmation bias so they are the ones they listen to.
Appeal to popularity
Appeal to authority
Lol
95% lmao
Provide a scientific study that says there is man-caused global warming.
Lol
Aaaaand? The fact that there is a natural global warming cycle doesn't mean that human caused global warming doesn't exist as this time it's much quicker and wouldn't normally have happened at this moment.
Lol
Ahh yes. a 5cm sea level rise.
So zoomed out lel
We need more nuclear power
Hey, guys
OMG!! PAY YOUR CARBON TAXES. YOIR GOVERNMENT WILL SAVE YOU FROM YOUR SINS!!
The true propaganda is people who dont beleive climate change
climate change is a myth
Yeah itโs completely fake
Yeah the government is trying to kill us all
We can actually become 440 years old
@The Chucken Noris you dont know the first thing about climate change
You haven't been told the truth about climate change by either side
The truth behind Real climate change is METHANE
Methane hydrates. Methane from the permafrost. Methane coming from Arctic seabed. Methane from ocean pingos (vast reservoirs)
Sadly not only is global warming real but it's infinitely worse than anyone has told you
Extinction of life on earth very possible in very near term
I pray to God it is not so
God forbid but methane is already venting
Nothing scares me more
Hey guys
Litter me with your best arguments
Because I was muted before, I'm not arguing with you
Just shower me
Just research methane
You can see with your own eyes the big holes opening up
I pray we won't have fireball earth
Fireball earth?
Are there any specific sources I should check out? The internet is full of lies...
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@Hamburger Guy unfortunately it's very real that vast quantities of methane are stored beneath the permafrost and beneath ice in the oceans. Methane is a massively potent greenhouse gas. As the earth warms the permafrost and ice melts and methane begins to release. As it releases the earth warms more and more methane releases. If it all goes up abruptly... Well it's a highly flammable gas
Honestly I hate to even think about it. Be careful researching it because it is scary AF
There's some videos on YouTube and sources online but I don't have the links right now at work
Yep.
Vast quantities
Arctic and Antarctic and sub ocean
And wherever the permafrost is up in Siberia and stuff
But yeah what we've been told about global warming through carbon is like slowly turning up your thermastat
But methane is like a molotov cocktail to your house
I believe it's already impossible to reverse
We just don't have any technology that can possibly seal it up
As far as I know
And people still aren't talking about it
I assume it's being covered up
Well because it would cause panic
Well I just Mean they are obviously not putting it front and Centre in the news as they should be
You can find the info if you look but they won't put it on mainstream news
Anyways it's very sad and scary
Like I said they don't talk about it
The methane released once before in earth's history and 95 % of all life on earth died
Yes you can
About 90 per cent of all the living things on the planet were wiped out in the Permian mass extinctionย
"volcanic eruptions pumped large amounts of carbon dioxide into the air, causing average temperatures to rise by eight to 11ยฐC.
This melted vast amounts of methane that had been trapped in the permafrost and sea floor, causing temperatures to soar even further to levels โlethal to most life on land and in the oceansโ.
Just Google Arctic methane, methane permafrost, methane pingos, methane bomb / methane time bomb etc
You will find tons of info
Methane emergency etc
Lots on YouTube as well
Believe me I wish it wasn't so
Peer review is over rated
The sun drives the climate
Humans do not drive the climate
Nor can we change it one way or the other
If we were somehow able to drop CO2 down 20%, it would have a devastating effect on plants as they use CO2 as food.
The reason the earth is greening is because of CO2
It is only at .04 percent.
If lowered. Forests wouldnt grow back as fast after we cut them down
Imagine living without forests just so you can pay the government carbon taxes
Climate change aka global warming is a hoax.
nope
Uh yeah
we have documented evidence of the earth warming
Alright, @void creature has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.
What studies? Done by who?
the sun isn't doing anything
The sun is what drives the climate. Not your car.
that's an in depth explanation
@Citizen Z It's not the car that is the problem,it's pollution
Whats a volcanoe do
@Citizen Z erupt?
What comes out of them
You think you can control nature?
You think you can control the sun and volcanoes
And you think your car is the leading factor
@Citizen Z lava
the amount of carbon dioxide emitted by current active volcanoes is insignificant compared to our cars and factories
@void creature that link from earlier is not a peer review paper
And if it's in the references don't send us on a wild goose chase
I chose a basic explanatory article that covers all the points
That doesn't prove anything
Good for learning
Not so much for debating
based on his statements he needed learning
Good comeback for a distract
Not so much for debating
besides
they have sources
reliable ones
with correct information
I said don't send us on wild goose chase
Link the sources themselves
It's called decency
"don't send us on a wild goose chase"
each point on the article is supported by a source that is linked
it's not hard to find
That's what you do in a properly structured argument
How about you discuss the points yourself
We are debating, not engaging in a link war.
I sent one link
After explaining it
he didn't seem to believe me so I linked an article with peer reviewed sources
That's what you call an explanation?
it's not hard to understand
hey just a question
what's your stance on this
"The sun is what drives the climate. Not your car."
the sun isn't doing anything
Oh ok
he didn't believe my statement so I backed it up
Citizen is just as guilty btw
also who appointed you as debate referee
I refuted his points and provided evidence
How about you say that over the course of millions of years the sun has been steadily increasing
But in the Permian extinction when the sun was much weaker everything was killed thanks to carbon dioxide
You can't expect them to check the link every time, especially when they don't know what they are looking for.
that's not what happened in the permian
Or was it something else? I forgot the name, but there is a period.
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the permian-triassic extinction event was caused by several factors
none of them spurred by the sun
@void creature boi are you listening to me
yes I am
My point was the sun was much weaker back then, yet the temp shot up anyway
it wasn't weaker back then
Why? Greenhouse gases
Greenhouse gases did play a part in the permian extinction yes
It was weaker back then
The sun only gets stronger
Give or take sun spots
CLIMATE CHANGE IS FAKE
It really isnt
It is.
There is a hole in the ozone layer created by carbon emissions that is over Antarctica currently which traps in heat from the son and continuously melts the fresh water in the glaciers. This not only creates rising sea levels but a major loss of our earths fresh water.
Although it is healing, it will take some time.
The earth is a donut
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