#flat-earth (Discord ID: 484516084846952451) in The Ice Wall, page 2

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2018-12-22 05:22:40 UTC

So you have to see thru the lies

2018-12-22 05:24:17 UTC

That shit's going way too fast, it looks like

2018-12-22 05:26:27 UTC

The suit's pretty thin too tbh

2018-12-22 06:29:33 UTC

Its sped up

2018-12-22 06:29:41 UTC

The point is not the speed

2018-12-22 06:29:54 UTC

The point is the trajectory

2018-12-22 06:30:59 UTC

Ah ok

2018-12-22 06:31:33 UTC

Oh I see it now

2018-12-22 06:31:44 UTC

That is pretty weird

2018-12-22 06:36:55 UTC

To be clear I think faking this kind of stuff during the space race is a very plausible conspiracy with a clear motive and also something that would be easy to fake. I still think the earth is round, but am open to other ways of thinking regarding that.

2018-12-22 06:53:34 UTC

I am curious, though. For what reason would anyone have to keep such a secret?

2018-12-22 06:56:02 UTC

I haven't done much research on this topic, or any conspiracy for that matter. From what I've heard, it's tied to religion in some way. I want to hear your thoughts on it.

2018-12-22 07:07:48 UTC

Many reasons

2018-12-22 07:07:59 UTC

Ill tell you later

2018-12-22 07:28:24 UTC


2018-12-22 15:46:43 UTC

Heliocentrism is tied to atheism and satanism

2018-12-22 15:47:08 UTC

Lets think about your question

2018-12-22 15:47:35 UTC

What reason would anyone have to keep a secret

2018-12-22 15:47:56 UTC

First we need to know who is keeping the secret

2018-12-22 15:48:22 UTC

Who actually knows the truth but lies about it

2018-12-22 15:48:35 UTC

We dont really know for sure

2018-12-22 15:49:37 UTC

now we've established we dont know who is lying

2018-12-22 15:49:53 UTC

So all that matters is the truth

2018-12-22 15:50:34 UTC

I believe most ppl just believe

2018-12-22 15:50:59 UTC

Cuz they were told a certain way is correct by the mainstream

2018-12-22 15:51:09 UTC

They just believe it

2018-12-22 15:51:18 UTC

Gtg bbl

2018-12-22 15:55:01 UTC

Is it conceivable that those with power and wealth would band together and lie to us?

2018-12-22 15:55:43 UTC

That they would make a long range plan to direct our future?

2018-12-22 17:08:51 UTC

Not really, no

2018-12-22 17:09:53 UTC

Are there really that many rich satanists?

2018-12-22 17:10:22 UTC

If so then I joined the wrong religion.

2018-12-22 17:10:50 UTC


2018-12-22 17:11:04 UTC


2018-12-22 17:11:21 UTC


2018-12-22 17:11:35 UTC


2018-12-22 17:12:23 UTC

Lots of music artists

2018-12-22 17:12:50 UTC

Its everywhere

2018-12-22 17:13:01 UTC

I always wondered why music went downhill in the 90s and now I can blame satanism

2018-12-22 17:14:21 UTC

How much money would be required to keep everyone else in the world from finding the world's edge?

2018-12-22 17:15:53 UTC

There'd be a lot of things that would have to be done on the regular.

2018-12-22 17:16:52 UTC

That's the main goal here, isn't it? To keep everyone from finding an edge?

2018-12-22 17:17:08 UTC

I dont know

2018-12-22 17:17:15 UTC

It doesn't matter

2018-12-22 17:17:31 UTC

Yes it does.

2018-12-22 17:17:41 UTC

There has to be a reason

2018-12-22 17:18:01 UTC

We can only speculate

2018-12-22 17:18:36 UTC

Money. Power. Hide free energy. Hide a creator. Hide knowledge for power

2018-12-22 17:18:46 UTC

But we dont know

2018-12-22 17:19:41 UTC

So it is definitely happening for some reason but nobody knows why or how

2018-12-22 17:20:36 UTC

People used to believe it was flat, right? Why'd they change their mind?

2018-12-22 17:21:10 UTC

Becuase the church told them it was a globe

2018-12-22 17:21:46 UTC


2018-12-22 17:22:17 UTC

I thought the church supported the flat earth theory

2018-12-22 17:23:20 UTC

Most religious ppl think its a globe cuz the church told them

2018-12-22 17:23:45 UTC


2018-12-22 17:24:27 UTC

Didn't you say it was tied to atheism and satanism though?

2018-12-22 17:24:36 UTC

It is

2018-12-22 17:24:46 UTC

The church is satanic

2018-12-22 17:24:58 UTC

The Vatican

2018-12-22 17:25:12 UTC

They are satanic

2018-12-22 17:26:04 UTC

Atheists hate god so they invent things to disprove god

2018-12-22 17:27:04 UTC

So they made a religion that worships god in order to disprove his existence?

2018-12-22 17:31:48 UTC


2018-12-22 17:32:36 UTC

Originally atheists believed in god or gods

2018-12-22 17:32:46 UTC

They just rejected them

2018-12-22 17:32:53 UTC

Its similar to now

2018-12-22 17:33:03 UTC

Atheists say they dont believe

2018-12-22 17:33:14 UTC

But its more so a rejection

2018-12-22 17:39:55 UTC

Atheists like to use arguments like

"if there was a god then why do children die of disease, god must be cruel"

But thats just saying children die. We dont know why god or the creator built things the way they are built. We just know it was built this way and we have to live it. We know this isnt heaven. If everything was perfect it would be heaven, which supposedly we dont go to till we die. Earth was built for us to learn and to have challenges i believe. It can't be perfect or we would be bored and have nothing to do

2018-12-22 17:52:18 UTC

Fair enough, but why did atheists and satanists team up to establish catholicism?

2018-12-22 18:13:36 UTC

To kill christianity

2018-12-22 18:14:25 UTC

To subvert the culture

2018-12-22 18:14:40 UTC

To control people easier

2018-12-22 18:21:06 UTC

So how is catholicism killing christianity?

This isnt flat earth stuff

2018-12-22 19:32:21 UTC

It's related

2018-12-22 19:33:03 UTC

Pretty related

2018-12-22 19:33:21 UTC

Because apparently satanists and atheists teamed up to establish catholicism in order to destroy christianity and promote flat earth

2018-12-22 19:33:29 UTC

That's right

2018-12-22 19:33:42 UTC


2018-12-22 19:34:20 UTC

Oh? Do you have a different explanation?

2018-12-22 19:34:40 UTC

For what

2018-12-22 19:35:50 UTC

Flat earth of course

2018-12-22 19:38:46 UTC


2018-12-22 19:42:40 UTC

We were talking about the motive behind hiding the fact that the earth is flat

2018-12-22 19:44:20 UTC

You said jk when you said it was true so I assume you have a different theory?

2018-12-22 19:58:36 UTC


2018-12-22 19:58:57 UTC

Just most religious fanatics think earth is a flying ball

2018-12-22 20:00:31 UTC

And as i said the motive for why someone would lie about earth is irrelevant

2018-12-22 20:01:04 UTC

The fact is people have lied

2018-12-22 20:02:11 UTC

I don't think anyone would dedicate so much time and resources for no reason.

2018-12-22 20:03:20 UTC

Therefore a reason would definitely be relevant in this context.

2018-12-22 20:04:25 UTC

Many people would have to be involved, and there would have to be a specific goal in doing that.

2018-12-22 20:08:11 UTC

In order to believe such a conspiracy, I'd need both a how and a why. I have been provided with neither thus far.

2018-12-22 20:19:41 UTC

Honestly I have no 100% idea why they do it but I could assume a few things

2018-12-22 20:19:49 UTC
2018-12-22 20:29:27 UTC

Ok so what reasons do you have that might be behind it?

2018-12-22 20:34:13 UTC

Globe earth is the conspiracy you should be worried about believing

2018-12-22 20:35:00 UTC

If you cant think of one reason on your own of why someone would lie to you then you prolly shouldnt be here

2018-12-22 20:35:23 UTC

Just go on with living in a lie

2018-12-22 20:37:05 UTC

I can think of reasons, I just want to know yours.

2018-12-22 20:38:07 UTC

Just the basic ones as i mentioned above

2018-12-22 20:39:11 UTC

What can you think of

2018-12-22 20:44:25 UTC

We've established that there are many satanists in power. It'd make sense for them to want to secularize the world, since it would be in line with their goals to keep people from believing in god. Creating a narrative wherein they teach that the earth is actually a globe and many things can be explained through science would allow them to achieve that goal. I still doubt that there would be so many people that would be willing to go along with such a plan but that's the main reason I can think of.

2018-12-22 20:47:15 UTC

I also don't think atheists would be linked to this conspiracy, since it shouldn't matter to them whether or not people believe in god.

2018-12-22 20:47:51 UTC

O well there are a lot of reasons for a few examples: For money (maybe?), to hide more land that is on earth (unlikely), for power (also unlikely), for God (lol wat), because there is no God ( <:lul:484994724118134784> ) to more reasonable answers like: The fact that there is no life outside from earth and they are hiding the fact for our 'greater' good by continuing to push that we are on a globe earth and there are *clearly* things out there it is pretty obvious now that we have never had any contact from things outside of this world in 'space' and we wont ever. Going to another planet is also out of the question, and it will never happen during our lifetimes I can assure you of that so in the end it could be for money or they just dont want to know for another reason (seems to be all about the money tbh)

2018-12-22 20:52:41 UTC

So you think people just can't handle the truth that we're alone in the universe?

2018-12-22 20:53:00 UTC

Oh right

2018-12-22 20:53:04 UTC

You can't see what I say.

2018-12-22 20:59:33 UTC

So they're keeping flat earth a secret so they'll have an excuse to go to space?

2018-12-22 20:59:50 UTC

Couldn't they do that anyway?

2018-12-22 21:02:36 UTC

They could, its just an assumption

2018-12-22 21:02:43 UTC

Pretty big assumption.

2018-12-22 21:03:16 UTC

It'd make sense if going to space wasn't their true intention.

2018-12-22 21:03:49 UTC

But if they could go to space either way there's not really a point.

2018-12-22 21:05:15 UTC

The point is, space as we are told and stuff they 'do' there isnt true

2018-12-22 21:05:30 UTC

I dont think anyone has been to space period

2018-12-22 21:05:43 UTC

Fair enough

2018-12-22 21:05:57 UTC

What do they do up there, then?

2018-12-22 21:06:22 UTC


2018-12-22 21:06:41 UTC

Idk if they are even up there tbh

2018-12-22 21:07:08 UTC

They gotta be if they're trying to keep flat earth a secret.

2018-12-22 21:07:35 UTC

But even they are still searching for type of something from 'space'

2018-12-22 21:08:20 UTC


2018-12-22 21:11:44 UTC


2018-12-22 21:11:46 UTC


2018-12-22 21:11:48 UTC


2018-12-22 21:11:52 UTC

Slightly distracted

2018-12-22 21:12:09 UTC

Didn't they put a super powerful telescope on a big plane? Isn't that what the ISS actually is?

2018-12-22 21:14:58 UTC

There's nobody actually in the space station. They just livestream a guy pretending to float.

2018-12-22 21:14:59 UTC

Is it?

2018-12-22 21:15:13 UTC


2018-12-22 21:15:18 UTC


2018-12-22 21:15:51 UTC


2018-12-22 21:16:35 UTC

The globe model doesnt pan out

2018-12-22 21:16:59 UTC

Who cares about space

2018-12-22 21:17:14 UTC

We know they lie about that too

2018-12-22 21:17:24 UTC


2018-12-22 21:17:41 UTC

Look at the clouds

2018-12-22 21:17:50 UTC

Do you believe in outer space, Z?

2018-12-22 21:18:35 UTC

Not really

2018-12-22 21:18:43 UTC


2018-12-22 21:18:59 UTC

I don't think we've been told truth about it

2018-12-22 21:19:10 UTC

Just fed a story

2018-12-22 21:19:22 UTC

Which seems cool but who knows

2018-12-22 21:19:27 UTC

Is there just a ceiling, then?

2018-12-22 21:19:33 UTC


2018-12-22 21:19:37 UTC


2018-12-22 21:19:44 UTC

Must be to keep us contained i suppose

2018-12-22 21:19:53 UTC

Of course

2018-12-22 21:20:36 UTC

The second law of thermodynamics

2018-12-22 21:20:48 UTC

You cant inflate a tire without a tire

2018-12-22 21:21:07 UTC

You need a barrier to keep everything in

2018-12-22 21:21:11 UTC

Just tires specifically or...

2018-12-22 21:21:44 UTC

Im saying i dont believe we are next to a vacuum with no solid barrier

2018-12-22 21:22:09 UTC

Everything would be sucked away

2018-12-22 21:22:52 UTC

Yeah we'd need some sort of atmosphere surrounding the earth for that

2018-12-22 21:23:09 UTC

Atmosphere would be sucked away

2018-12-22 21:23:31 UTC

Unless gravity exists, but it doesn't

2018-12-22 21:23:41 UTC

Gravity is a myth

2018-12-22 21:26:25 UTC

If there is a ceiling, and there is a vacuum on the other side, would poking a hole in the ceiling kill everyone?

2018-12-22 21:26:53 UTC


2018-12-22 21:27:22 UTC

Gravity wouldnt prevent the atmosphere from being sucked away

2018-12-22 21:28:47 UTC

You think the little force of us being pulled to earth is enough to fight the vacuum of space

2018-12-22 21:29:11 UTC

The globe model is a bunch of bs

2018-12-22 21:32:33 UTC

Ok hun fair enough

2018-12-22 21:33:06 UTC

So why does air get thinner as you gain altitude?

2018-12-22 21:35:24 UTC

Also if the earth was flat, wouldn't we have a similar problem with the oxygen falling off the edge?

2018-12-22 21:36:16 UTC

Or does gravity just go the other way on the other side?

2018-12-22 21:47:01 UTC

That would make sense.

2018-12-22 21:47:33 UTC

How would it get back, then

2018-12-22 21:49:46 UTC


2018-12-22 21:50:24 UTC

It's a mystery

2018-12-22 21:50:52 UTC

But my model is a bunch of bs so I guess I shouldn't be talking.

2018-12-22 22:44:15 UTC


2018-12-22 22:44:47 UTC

You humor me

2018-12-22 22:45:51 UTC

To be clear though space itself isn't a vacuum. Spacecrafts and the like are pressurized and filled with air. Space is relatively empty, which makes for extremely low pressure. This is what causes space to act like a vacuum. It's not constantly sucking.

2018-12-22 22:46:29 UTC

What edge?

2018-12-22 22:46:43 UTC

I know what space is *suppose* to be

2018-12-22 22:47:18 UTC

If earth was a ball the air would fall off the sides and bottom

2018-12-22 22:47:28 UTC


2018-12-22 22:47:37 UTC

What lol

2018-12-22 22:47:50 UTC

Gravity doesn't just go one way

2018-12-22 22:48:05 UTC

You never proved gravity

2018-12-22 22:48:27 UTC

I thought you believed in it

2018-12-22 22:49:57 UTC

My bad

2018-12-22 22:52:07 UTC

So how can you explain the whole not floating away phenomenon?

2018-12-22 22:53:01 UTC

Also I just figured there's an edge since it's flat

2018-12-22 22:53:17 UTC

Not sure how it wouldn't have one.

2018-12-22 22:53:34 UTC

It doesn't just go on forever, after all.

2018-12-22 22:56:16 UTC

Thats true but the edge is non-existent until we find it which I doubt we will

2018-12-22 22:57:21 UTC

There can't be a finite flat plane without an edge, hun.

2018-12-22 22:58:06 UTC

The world isnt infinite to my knowledge

2018-12-22 22:58:19 UTC

Ah ok

2018-12-22 22:59:35 UTC


2018-12-22 23:01:35 UTC

Where does all the oxygen come from, then?

2018-12-22 23:04:40 UTC

Either an infinite supply is coming from somewhere or it finds its way back after falling off the world's edge.

2018-12-22 23:28:48 UTC

At this point a bowl would be more practical

2018-12-22 23:31:58 UTC

concave earth is a thing to be fair

2018-12-22 23:32:15 UTC

Good that's not nearly as bad

2018-12-22 23:37:50 UTC

its worse

2018-12-22 23:38:37 UTC

It'd be impressive if that were the case

2018-12-22 23:52:30 UTC

I still think it's more likely that we're all in a simulation.

2018-12-22 23:53:43 UTC


2018-12-22 23:55:03 UTC


2018-12-22 23:55:25 UTC

But is the earth flat in the simulation? That's the real question.

2018-12-22 23:56:42 UTC


2018-12-22 23:56:45 UTC

It globe

2018-12-22 23:57:04 UTC

It's a globe in my opinion.

2018-12-22 23:57:26 UTC

But I definitely think the only way for FE to work would be if this is a simulation.

2018-12-22 23:57:46 UTC

I mean

2018-12-22 23:57:54 UTC

Flat earth does need god to work

2018-12-22 23:58:00 UTC

So that would make sense

2018-12-22 23:58:23 UTC


2018-12-22 23:58:32 UTC

So I've heard

2018-12-22 23:58:41 UTC

I wouldnt say so

2018-12-22 23:59:00 UTC

Yeah not from everyone but majority

2018-12-22 23:59:22 UTC

Especially if you include the dome

2018-12-22 23:59:27 UTC

It does need a creator

2018-12-23 00:00:53 UTC

@BattlePod u heard of nick bostrum's SIM theory?

2018-12-23 00:01:15 UTC

Could just be a thick exosphere

2018-12-23 00:01:27 UTC

I don't believe I have.

2018-12-23 00:01:39 UTC

You should

2018-12-23 00:01:59 UTC

I'll look into it.

2018-12-23 00:02:15 UTC

The whole simulation thing is really interesting to be quite honest.

2018-12-23 00:03:30 UTC

Yeah I love those tbh

2018-12-23 00:04:20 UTC

Philosophical argument

2018-12-23 00:04:35 UTC

I think I can find his paper in the link

2018-12-23 00:04:56 UTC

I can kind of agree with those points

2018-12-23 00:12:01 UTC

an exo***sphere*** huh

2018-12-23 23:07:56 UTC

Thats crazy

2018-12-23 23:19:38 UTC

No u

2018-12-23 23:21:40 UTC

Also filming the sun is bad for the camera sensor

2018-12-23 23:21:50 UTC

Just putting that out there

2018-12-23 23:21:58 UTC

if its literally in the middle of setting its fine

2018-12-23 23:30:18 UTC

Its awesome

2018-12-23 23:36:34 UTC

It could even be footage of an actual sunset

2018-12-27 06:21:17 UTC

This guy filmed a ship sinking and didn't do anything to help smh

2018-12-27 06:21:23 UTC

You still dont understand how ships disappear?

2018-12-27 06:21:31 UTC

What no

2018-12-27 06:21:38 UTC

Its the angle of light

2018-12-27 06:21:46 UTC

Coming to eye or lens

2018-12-27 06:21:58 UTC

The ship was sinking but this globe earther didn't do anything to help

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