when its night for us

lol

I tend to avoid sky related phenomena when talking about the shape of the earth, like the sun, they are two different things

But as a matter of curiosity, how could a sunset work on a flat earth?

the sun is becuase of perspective and becuase the globe model has people thinking u can see forever

yeah but the things we see now about the sun can work on a flat earth

Other than the sun going under the earth

let me find the sunset video

no doesnt wor like that hang on

would u agree that when u look out into the distance u are looking through atmosphere which has water in it and water magnifies things ?

i think we can all agree on that no ?

no

we are looking through atmosphere ?

which part do u disagree with on that

what do u mean by magnify things

water magnifyiong things is the only part u disagree with ?

i just want to understand

have u ever seen a fire started with water

I would need evidence that the atmosphere magnifies the celestial objects in any way and by how much

also how is that a factor to sunsets

it factors in

Probably that Rob Skiba video

i would show u how it works but u dont think water magnifys things or waters int he atmosphere idk

ok you seen it

so waht u arent buyin it?

which part though

Uses a fresnel lens placed between the observer and something. No evidence given that the atmosphere behaves like that all.

And that photo evidence Skiba gave doesn't take into account telephoto lens distortion which can alter the apparent sizes of these distant objects

the more layers of atmosphere the more water u are lookin through the more water the more magnification

so how does it look like there is a sunset on a flat earth

idk looked legit to me

No, that is not how magnification works. Looking through more atmosphere doesn't recreate a fresnel lens

@Alexandre Supposedly, light bends because the atmosphere is like a lens, and so it appears to set, like this,

Rising in this scenario

that only works in water

we are in air their is a lot of water in air

when u are lookin long distances

Yeah, they think that the atmosphere distorts just like a solid lens without any justification

water is piled up in clouds

or they go down

its also in the air right in the room ur in now

but there is not much

when u walk outside ur house that air has water in it

not much in one place think if u looked though 10 miles of it

20 miles

50 miles worth of it

but it doesnt have enough density to distort light

No data, no math, no proof, no anything for this claim.
Therefore it shall automatically be rejected until it can be demonstrated that light can and does behave this way through the atmosphere in the necessary way for the sun to set and rise.
That is my take on it.

i agree

lets talk gravity again

how do we go down when we jump without gravity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1TUpNkHcAM

their is a bunch of sunset u can watch where the sun appears to shrink in size

im not talkin gravity until someone can show me the experiment where 2 objects of mass are attracted to each other from their mass alone

Doesn't take glare into account, need a solar filter for that

that vid is bs

i saw sunsest irl

and there are a bunch of vids showing sunsets

well im telling u depending on the moisture in the air the sun might shrink a lot or not shrink at all

yes many sunsets show a big sun some show a sun getting smaller

i dont think so

maybe ur right idk

yeah i think the earth is a sphere

yeah

but i still want to know how we go back down without gravity

isnt it crazy at this point though that the rock solid proof of a sphere the undeniable evidenve that could and should be there isnt

mm

i guess

their should be no flat earthers

this shouldnt even be up for discussion

but it is

cause that proof that cant be denied isnt there

I think flat earth is a good thing in terms of skepticism and questioning.

u should be skeptic of mainstream science absolutely

if flat earthers are wrong its no big deal but if they arent

its a big deal

In my view, any concept is questionable and should remain debated, even earth being round.

Questioning and debated is not the same as denial however, you can still think the earth is spherical and be skeptical of it

if it was spherical the proof would be there

at this point it would be undeniable

thats not proof its flat but the fact the proof isnt there amongst other things make me not believe anymore

im not gonna believe in something they cant prove

Proof isn't the issue, falsifiability is.
If you can't falsify a particular hypothesis, it holds up to standards of evidence as long as its predictions are confirmed

u can prove the shape of something

the standard of evidence isnt that great for me to believe in the glboe

The standard globe model has been falsified, but it can be updated with quantified refraction parameters, and I think it may be able to work out.
The "proofs" are to do with the properties of non euclidean vs euclidean

im just not gonna believe in something that cant be proved but that could be and should be proved at this point

I don't think proof is necessary, but it can be helpful. Proof would be like creating a triangle with angles adding up over 180 degrees.

Evidence would simply be what data and observation lines up with the hypothesis

their should be rock solid undeniable evidence the earth is a sphere

its not there for me thats all

People can deny almost anything

yeah somethings are harder to deny that others

not a lot of people denying 1 plus 1 equals 2

You can't deny your own existence because denying existence implies you exist to deny it in the first place.
You can deny your experiences by assuming reality is an illusion or you are a brain in a vat, for example.

Earth is a sphere because it being flat while every other planet it a sphere is just stupid.

Don't have to prove it, just have to disprove flat Earth

ive looked into the holographic universe that was another good youtube video astral

There is no quantified, testable, falsifiable flat earth hypothesis as far as I'm aware

@jeremy Great, interesting stuff indeed

u saw it ?

Astral are you a FE?

Idk, link?
I've heard about the concept from people like David Icke

@Pinnaplia No

Not anymore

Ah ok

Because I didn't wanna have to repost the paragraph I flung at Mike earlier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMBt_yfGKpU

i couldnt find the whole thing thats part one

its mad long

My point was that "disproving flat earth" is not really meaningful since it isn't fully defined and quantified for predictive power @Pinnaplia

Not falsifiable since it isn't set up

@jeremy Not too long, and hour and a half is usually fine for me if it is interesting

Very interesting, I'll check it out

thats part one lol

i cant remember its been a long time i think the whole things 5 hours maybe more idk

joe rogan graham hancock michael shermer debate was good

kent hovind evolution debates are good

carl munk the code was good

how do u feel on evolution

not micro evolution the rest of the evolutions

thats how they get u they bunch allt he evolution up with micro evolution

so when u say u dont believe in evolution u look stupid because micro evolution is real

I think evolution is testable and repeatable. As far as the claims on universal common ancestry and evolutionary pathways, a lot of that is merely speculative and depends on assumptions that can't really be justified.
So I am not a fan. I'm content with not knowing the answers.

ur saying micro evolution is real

yes i agree

macro evolution im not so sure

Yes, evolution as in change in allele frequencies is testable and repeatable

Micro and macro evolution are merely constructs btw,

i think its a whole different thing

a moth changes colors to adapt to the environment better and a moth turning into something other than a moth is not even close

or a rabbit changing its fur color over time to adapt in a snow covered area or wooded area its always gonna be a rabbit i think

u think someday the rabbit will evolve to make cellphones and helicopters

u should watch a kent hovind debate

it was interesting debate on evolution

he does a ton of them he debated michael shermer

u ever see graham hancok and randall carlson debate michael shermer on joe rogan

that was good those guys have a solid theory

I have before, but I am not really interested.

oh what else besides project bluebeam u into

I like movies and encoded messages in them, I find some of the illuminati, occult, Vatican symbolism interesting.
Some philosophical topics. I used to be all into the flat earth stuff.
Apollo and 9/11 conspiracies, most rational to me out of the fringe content.

u should watch secrets in plain sight that had the vatican in it i believe

I focused a lot on science topics and then conspiracy

I found the Eyes Wide Shut film interesting

have u ever done the rice experiment

No

do u know what it is

Nope

thats pretty neat

somethin u can do easy

i gotta watch eyes wide shut

It is interesting because it was Kubrick's last film and he made it about a secret society

He died shortly after releasing his first cut to Hollywood.
Some believe the Illuminati killed him because he revealed too much in his film on what is really going on.

sound about right

The shining is one of my favorite movies

yeah that was good

https://youtu.be/iEuUFxj_udE

ait so @Happygrandad why are you not religious

cos i believe in Science

so like the big bang

i'm guessing you are

yeah

sure am

well

tbh I think big bang theory is a load of sht even though I'm gonna study soon to get a phd in it

in astrophysics lmao

12th grade is boring

wait are u studying astrophysics

I'm sonn gonna

thats so cool

McGill accepted me so

sht gotta pay for it

anyways ya wanna debate

wait McGills is a really good uni isn't it?

😮

its in montreal

kinda far from Ottawa

but eh what can I do

also I changed my profile pic and user

it seems more fitting this way

wait

ohhhhhh

It's a good uni but there is better

astrophysics is ***E P I C***

its hard tho

and I only know mostly astronomy and a little bit of physics

like I'm really good in astronomy but average in physics

lol i suck at astronomy

we don't learn it in my school

idk why they accepted me but ya know what irdc at least I'm getting an education

oh lol

most of what I know, I've studied at home

I learned some things in like science class and that's it

anyways wanna debate

yeah ok

ok

so

I'm lebanese catholic maronite

whats that o-0

we follow st maroun as like a leader kind ish

like we follow his ways

lol i've never heard of it

just search it up

its mostly in Lebanon so I'm not suprised

I moved to Canada when I was like 2 lmao

anyways

lol

Hey

hey

Buzz

art thou gay

also @Happygrandad your profile pic looks like a cat being raped lmao

I'm Buzz Lightyear and you're gay

lol

I'm arab

and if I was gay

I'd be disowned

lmao

lol

alot of people think I'm muslim cuz I'm arab

like once I was out with some friends

oof

stereotypical

and this dumbass comes outta nowhere

asks why I'm wearing the cross on my neck

I say cuz I'm christian

his response?

I quote

"aRE yOu fUKinG stUPiD?! cHRiStiaN aRAbs dON't eXISt"

wtf

then he's tryna shame me for "lying" about my religion and that Allah is pissed

jesus

then I say that I believe in Jesus Christ as my lord and saviour

and he said that I commited blaspheme against Allah like tf I'm not muslim

meanwhile my friends are just fuccing dying behind me lmao

ooooooffffffff

lol i prefer Christianity to stuff like FLat-earth

Christian Arabs exist?

<:fakenews:507995495982170112>

lol ofc this server has that image

nonono you believe that we don't exist

Yasou3

fuking hell Gwench just asked if Justin Trudeau is the son of Fidel castro

aka a cuban dictator

mhm

reee

hello there

https://tenor.com/view/grevious-general-kenobi-star-wars-gif-11406339

Those <#547645432604393482> posts are pretty crazy

conspiracies have gone to far