thats the point of gender

its different from sex

The question is, to what degree?

To the degree of the female brain and the male brain

Nonsense ,it's defined by biology

**sex** is defined by biology, **gender** is not

Nonsense. Since when are they different

That's... that's what gender is

Gender is a biology term too, it can't just be redefined as weird ppl see fit

That's the point of it

It's not biological

Gender and sexuality are synonymous

sexuality ≠ gender ≠ sex

No that's wrong

Care to elaborate?

<:popcorn:518788890216235010> I would like to see your argument @Shabam

Also hello Madeline nice to have you on board

hiya

Dictionary

An easy way to put it is
Gender = Brain
Sex = Genitals

Sexuality = What you're attracted to

gender is social and mental, with a difference between gender identity and gender expression (and presentation)

sex is biological and based on a lot of factors, including genitalia, hormones, etc (also not a binary)

sexuality is what genders (or lack thereof) you are attracted to, and is mental

I like my simplification better tho

Doesn't take as long to type

lol

O gohun

btw, according to dictionary.com the definition is:
```
either the male or female division of a species, especially as differentiated by social and cultural roles and behavior: the feminine gender. Compare sex(def 1).
a similar category of human beings that is outside the male/female binary classification and is based on the individual's personal awareness or identity.
```

@Shabam

We'll dictionary.com isn't the standard. U mean a real dictionary.

That's obviously been updated by the fetish groups

do you have any other argument other than a semantic one?

lmaoo

lol wat

Lmao

Try Oxford english maybe

If that is the def you want to use, then it doesn't mean anything. Sex then is the only scientific usable word at that point

You're free to dilute the meaning of words but there's no reason for anyone else to follow

well, language is defined by the users, and gender is most commonly defined nowadays in the way I quoted

and its easy to dismiss an argument if you get hung up on how people choose to define a word

here, I have a question

what do you think being transgender means?

If you dont even know what being transgender is then you cant even have this discussiontbh @Shabam

That's someone changing between the two, easy

@Madeline <3 gender is not defined that way except by unauthritative sources

Changing between the two what?

Genders

Or sexes, but they're still their DNA based gender

Changing sexes more or less

there is no such thing as an authoritative source for language

it is defined by the users

btw, what being trans means is that you identify with a gender other than your assigned one

Trans means
Brain ≠ Body

I often see people fail to make the distinction between transgender and gender dysphoria, and they claim being transgender is a recognized mental disorder. Being Transgender is gender nonconformity.

Or you just get those who fail to see gender as a social construct and claim any nonconformity is messed up.
Altho, if Gender isn't a social construct, then what is it? Biologically programmed behavior?

Both, actually.

I wonder how that could be tested

Good question

As far as I'm aware, analysis of brain structures has shown that transgender people have some brain structures of the opposite sex

I thought all the evidence in sociology indicated gender is quite fluid.
Like, masculinity is hardly natural to men at all, it is socially constructed.

Regarding the brain structures, I am not sure, it could still have to do with the way we interact with our environment and take in information.

The differences were found in the basal brain structures, the one formed during development in the womb.
And besides, it's been proven repeatedly that men and women have structural differences within the brain that leads them to be good at different things.

Men tend to have better spatial awareness, while women tend to have better comprehension skills

Stuff like that

@AstralSentient upper body strength differences between men and women is NOT a social construct

"Men tend to have better spatial awareness, while women tend to have better comprehension skills"

you find gender affirmation in the weirdest places

Yet all the greatest thinkers in history are men

Scientists and inventors

So much for that comprehension

woah its almost as if women have been unfairly and unjustly oppressed throughout history

@Madeline <3
"You find gender affirmation in the weirdest places"
The hell is that supposed to mean?
If you're insinuating that there are no differences between the male and female brain, you've got a lot to learn. And if transgender women have female brain structures, but a male body, it stands to reason that gender is based within the brain itself.

i'm saying that i'm a trans girl with good comprehension and bad spatial awareness lol

Are you a man acting as a female?

i am female

who has been pretending to be male

Ok well you're male

But you're free to behave as you like

As long as it doesn't infinge on other people's rights

no i told you im female

or wait

shit i dont remember which one am i

help i forgot my gender

i just remembered i have a dick

wait no i don't

lol

😂

But in terms of gender, we have no indication of it being biological.

Like femininity and masculinity

@Shabam
*Yet all the greatest thinkers in history are men*
Women didn't have the same opportunities in society throughout history. That changed surprisingly quick recently.
So I think we know why that is

@Madeline <3 You have bad spatial awareness and good comprehension because your brain structures are more female than male

@AstralSentient B's, men are stronger because of biology

No training will change that

Can someone sum up what we are talking about and what arguments have been made thanks

True, I don't deny that. I'm referring to gender norms.

@AstralSentient gender roles follow the lead of nature. Men , masculine, women, feminine

Can a man give birth?

Any direct evidence for that?
Otherwise it is just assumption.

Men can give birth

Also being stronger and proving the constructed idea of masculinity are very different things

@Madeline <3 men can give birth? This stuff right here is the problem

You want to redefine the word man. I see no reason to follow suit

😂

Yeah that's kinda eh

How hard is it to Google the meaning of words? I guess it's easier to stay wrong and use the "fake" card 24/7 isn't it.

Sex: "either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions."

Gender: "either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female."

There is no "redefining" the words when they're straight from the definitions.

What sourc urban dictionary?

Either way, the only useful definition is the one based on biology

It also isn't as simple as binary, there are intersex people out there where their exact biological sex is ambiguous. Regarding gender, there are multiple possible gender identities. Altho masculine and feminine is the dominant binary, and is applied to the sexes.

Google the definitions. I admire your ability to pick and choose which facts are correct and which facts aren't, based on your beliefs.

Sex is biological. Gender is social. Hence, trans*gender*. You can redefine English words or decide they don't exist if you want.

http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/gender

Transgender is not a gender

I don't think they meant that, just that the term refers to something malleable.

But also, there is Transsexual

Not a gender.

That's a sexual deviants preference

It being someone who changed their gender identity along with medical assistance to change some characteristics, a subset of transgender

Not a gender.

Gender is either Male or female.

This is not complicated

Nobody is arguing that transgender is a gender

Okay. That makes sense then.

Being transgender means that your identified gender is not the same as your assigned gender

That makes no sense

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Chambers%27s_Twentieth_Century_Dictionary_1908/G_Genius

You cant just identify as something you are not

That would mean you have a disorder

Do you have real evidence for this or are these just your feelings?

Plenty of studies

Can I identify as a native American if I'm not?

Can I identify as a war veteran if I'm not?

The problem here is entirely a semantic one

The problem is people encouraging destructive behavior

I, like people who support the idea of being transgender, define gender in a more commonly accepted definition of being more social and mental

Trying to identify as a different gender is destructive

You choose to use the less commonly used version based on biology

The definition was changed

Citizen do you know what gender dysphoria is?

You are using a made up urban type dictionary definition

Someone who thinks they are another gender

"The modern academic sense of the word, in the context of social roles of men and women, dates at least back to 1945"

You seem to think definitions cannot change

Sure it does.

I dont believe your sick interpretation

Is there a central authority that declares whether a definition is accurate?

Tell me citizen, do you know what gender dysphoria is?

You are damaging people.

By encouraging this behavior

I posted many things about gender dysphoria

I just told you what it is

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria

This is debatable

"Gender nonconformity is ***not*** a mental disorder"

It is a medical condition

It is not a choice

And it is entirely treatable

Emphasis mine

The caveat? The only working treatment is transitioning

How is trying to identify as a different gender "destructive"?

Regarding gender nonconformity

https://www.glaad.org/blog/apa-removes-gender-identity-disorder-updated-mental-health-guide

They remove this

Just 7 years ago

Trying to repress dysphoria or live as your assigned gender is definitely self destructive

Transitioning is the opposite

So 7 years ago medical professionals said that it **wasn't** a mental illness?

Interesting turn of events there

@Citizen Z hilarious that I agree with you on this gender thing, because I think you're a bafoon for believing in flat earth

You dont know why the earth is flat then

Well it's not

You dont understand

I don't know what why means in that context

At work tho

Bbl

I'm not convinced by your data

It's all flimsy

What measurements do you have that says the earth curves at 8 inches per mile squared? @Shabam

I will get my data, you get yours. Deal?

Here is my data. I dont know where you got the term flimsy from.

FECORE
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bV8hCkvT7gRFkoR6J0AY1mDwYfQR7PAg/view

I look forward to your data. I assume you won't be giving my "flimsy" data.

What would the purpose be of withholding this information?

First off, it's best to look at all evidence before motive.

Trying to find a motive is difficult. We can only speculate

What are your best guesses?

There is a number of reasons I could guess

It seems weird, because it could be said any day and people would still go on about their daily lives

Money. power. Hide knowledge. Hide a creator. More land.. more resources. Free energy.

Control.

The best way to have control and power is keep your enemy blind

Can you specify how? Im just curious because i believe it is a globe.

How what?

Im curious to see what it is that makes you think that hiding a flat earth as a fact leads to control.

I just told you

Either way. I am only guessing.

Look at the evidence

That's what matters

When enough people see it and know it, then we can possibly find out why

If they hide the fact that you were created, they have power over you

Why is a creator limited to flat earth? I think that a creator can exist even with this model.

The globe earth is part of the big bang and evolution theories

Without the globe, those things cannot be true

Gtg for a bit

i only believe in some evolution, but the missing link is that our DNA was manipulated by celestial gods who came to earth.

these gods were extraterrestrials

So, like intelligent design but by aliens?

That's a new religious belief system the governments and mainstream are pushing

Zero evidence for that

Its not a religious belief system, its based on an examination of ancient sources.

A belief system.

There are no deities, there are no rites, there are nothing that resembles a belief system. Look it up in a dictionary.

Like Christianity or any religion

It's a belief system

Examination of ancient sources doesnt say our DNA was manipulated by aliens

Alright, we agree to disagree, you believe that its a belief system, with apparently no system in place, wonder why that is, and i know its not.

Tell me why .

Ancient Astronauts theory isn't really credible imo

Its not.

Altho they push it on History channel

To further push ppl from god

Or a designer

Or creator

Even tho the mainstream academics accepts it to be pseudoscience, yet a mainstream channel promotes it. Weird, huh

Which makes more sense

There is good explanation.let me find it

Alright, @EzkealSutekh has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

wait why cant i say s***

Bad word

well thats weird

How is it a bad word

Not sure I dont think I blocked it

are you the admin?

I'm the owner

alright, yeah that was what i wanted to say, i dont see how its bad in that context

do you think it was a bad comment

No

I'll take a look at the bot in a bit

Sorry about that

np

The God of the bible is not effec ted by time, space or matter. If He is effected by time, space or matter, He is not God. Time space and matter is what we call a continuum, they all came into existence at the same instance. Because if there were matter with no space, were would you put it? If there were matter and space but no time, when would you put it? You cannot have time, space or matter independently, the have to come into existence simultaneous. The bible answers that in 10 words.

In the beginning (time) God created the Heaven (space) and the Earth (matter)

So you have time, space and matter created the trinities of trinities there just as
TIme is past, present and future.
Space is length, width and height.
Matter has solid, liquid and gas.

You have the trinity of trinities created instantaneously and the God who created them has to be outside of them. If He is limited by time, He is not God. The God who created this computer, is not in the computer. He is not running around in there changing the numbers on the screen. The God who created this universe is outside of the universe. He is above it, beyond it, through it. He Is unaffected by it.

So for the concept that a spiritual force cannot have any effect on a material body, well then I guess you would have to explain to me things like emotions and love and hatred sbf envy and jealousy and rationality. If you brain is just a random collection of chemicals that formed by chance over billions of years, how on Earth can you trust your own reasoning process and thoughts that you think?

So the question, where did God come from, is assuming a limited God.

And that's your problem.

The God that I worship is not limited by time, space or matter.

If I could fit the infinite God in my three pound brain, He would not be worth worshipping, that's for certain.

A good explanation of God and how it probably would work

Bottom line is we wouldn't be able to comprehend God

Not in our space or time

He would be above all that

Beyond it.

Well, maybe there is a god, but as for now that is also a belief system dont you think? But even if there is a good, why would aliens not be able to be a part of this world? He could have created the world and aliens perhaps created us. It sounds like the god you are describing created a simulation, that is why god would be outside of time space and matter.

A bit like the architect in the matrix

Y can u not see the sun at night on the flat earth