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2019-12-22 21:37:37 UTC

Who

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When

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Gotta link to it?

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Liar

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!mute <@658420619532042243>

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Is there a channel where I can read the flat Earth model we're referring to so we can be on the same page?

2019-12-22 21:41:21 UTC

There are some details that tend to fluctuate

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The model is there is no curve

2019-12-22 21:42:05 UTC

Yeah, but stuff like the existence of a dome or being the center of the universe and such

2019-12-22 21:42:38 UTC

I've met people that said for example that the moon was some kind of battery

2019-12-22 21:42:48 UTC

I didn't really get it to be honest

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So?

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@Matuzu the earth is flat and doesnt move, what else would you like to know

2019-12-22 21:45:18 UTC

Alright, then for example

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What do you think about the shape of the moon?

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i think it is irrelevant to the shape of the earth

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I wouldn't say that

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i did

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There are phenomenons like eclipses and such that are related to both

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so you say

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Is it not?

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youre the one who brought it up

2019-12-22 21:48:05 UTC

Alright, then let's change subject
How do you think eclipses work?

2019-12-22 21:48:40 UTC

no lets not change the subject. lets talk about earths shape

2019-12-22 21:49:35 UTC

These phenomenons can only be explained (at least for now) by a round earth, thus the relationship

2019-12-22 21:49:50 UTC

We are talking about the shape of the earth by discussing this

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so if there is only one explanation it must be correct?

2019-12-22 21:50:17 UTC

thats a new one to me

2019-12-22 21:50:20 UTC

Do you have any other alternative?

2019-12-22 21:51:00 UTC

so when the said the sun was a god and no one gave an alternative that ws what it ws

2019-12-22 21:51:29 UTC

Oh boy, there are **many** alternatives to a religion

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and if a rando on the internet doesnt give an alternative then the explanation you have must be correct

2019-12-22 21:52:10 UTC

if thats your contention then fine

2019-12-22 21:53:23 UTC

2 plus 2 equals 4, it makes sense, it's logical and for now there is no other way to get a different result

2019-12-22 21:53:36 UTC

There isn't another answer, making it true

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But

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If there was a process which made sense

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It could also be considered true

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no 2 different explanations for the same thing cannot be true

2019-12-22 21:55:03 UTC

True, but for certain phenomenons we only have one explanation

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unless you are in some kind of bizaro world

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We don't have anything else to explain it

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does it need to be explained

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Yes

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i disagree

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Why?

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youre the one who thinks it needs explaining

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I already have an explanation for it and I was hoping to see if the same thing was different from your point of view

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if youre happy with it then good for you

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And let's be real, refusing to explain something isn't a particularly strong argument is it

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it isnt an argument at all

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Exactly

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exaactly what

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There's no way to prove me wrong

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There's no argument

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why should i want to prove you wrong

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We're debating

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what about

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Or at least change my point of view

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only you can do that

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Not necessarily

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I can be convinced

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what is the debate?

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But for now, I'm getting zero answers

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What is the debate?

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what is the debate?

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21:58] Matuzu: We're debating

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you said this

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hallo apfel

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hallo apfel

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The thing is about the moon being relevant to the shape of the earth

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english only

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ich spreche nicht englisch

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ok so prove it

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ok coomer

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Alright

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!mute @Uchuu

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Phenomenons like eclipses can not be explained (at least for now) if we assume the earth is flat

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I was hoping to get a different point of view

2019-12-22 22:00:58 UTC

if i measure water its flat

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an eclipse has no bearing on this

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the earth is flat because we see it as flat

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to determine the shape of Earth's surface one would look down, not up

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if you can show how an eclipse effects the measurement of flat water i would be interested

2019-12-22 22:02:21 UTC

any other explanations are invalid

2019-12-22 22:02:48 UTC

So none of you guys can give an answer, right?

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@ProgrammerVerbatim your role profile is confusing

2019-12-22 22:03:04 UTC

an answer for what? its a debate not a q and a

2019-12-22 22:03:11 UTC

i accidentally clicked on globe earther

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ah ok

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changed

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i almost associated myself as one of them

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if you think your on a water ball spinning at a gazillion miles per hour

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your are WRONG

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@Matuzu an answer to what?

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flat earth is the only way we can explain this

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How do eclipses work @Flat Earth PhD

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this is a debate

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Yes

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the sun moves slightly faster than the moon

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so sometimes it catches up

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there dumb glober

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the earth is at the centre of the univers

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no insulte or you go

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eok

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ok

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also god controls everything

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dont give bs answers either

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what do you mean

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i believe in him

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asking for explanations is not debating

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!rank

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<:XMARK6:403540169992568833> **ProgrammerVerbatim**, this command is disabled in this channel

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ok

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but they should know the truth

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idiot

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<:snapsnap:484956825863585792>

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fake flat earther

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I've seen a lot of those lately

2019-12-22 22:09:07 UTC

some people have too much free time methinks

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a good depression will cure that

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ok cheers

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i will try to be

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just passionate about my views

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go to lounge for other chat

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ok

2019-12-23 10:33:01 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/658618057031155742/1_JK7SzoIcwSYgKP_3EgxLbg.png

2019-12-23 10:33:53 UTC

It technically started within the timeframe you mentioned

2019-12-23 10:44:43 UTC

@Jondar02 I looked into it, the original website says nothing about vaccine uptake. It was literally fabricated by someone and put there. Here's the website: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140505192926/https://www.hpa.org.uk/web/hpaweb&hpawebstandard/hpaweb_c/1195733835814

2019-12-23 11:04:30 UTC

@Jondar02 Nvm, I would be dishonest to ignore this. Scroll down to page 15 and you will see the vaccine coverage. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/769970/UK_measles_and_rubella_elimination_strategy.pdf

It's a shame that the guy who did the chart didn't properly add this in his sources. You're right but I would argue that the vaccination coverage was still low (~50% in the 80's) and as you can see in pic related it was already almost gone in that time.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/658625978662125588/Screen_Shot_2019-05-24_at_4.09.45_PM.1558728638140.png

2019-12-23 11:07:35 UTC

I retract my previous statements. ๐Ÿคช If you're gonna make a chart, you should properly include the source and not make the viewer chase it.

2019-12-23 11:10:34 UTC

"Vaccine coverage remained low until the late 1980s and was
insufficient to interrupt measles transmission. Therefore, annual notifications only
fell to between 50,000 and 100,000 and measles remained a major cause of
morbidity and mortality"

2019-12-23 13:27:19 UTC

So yes, it wasn't instantly

2019-12-23 15:48:52 UTC

So vaccines work then

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work in what sense?

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stop people getting disease which does little harm, making them more susceptible to other illnesses?

2019-12-23 15:52:06 UTC

wasting time and resources which are in demand

2019-12-23 16:22:35 UTC

can you specify "other illnesses"

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not measles

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what than?

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are you only aware of measles?

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you think that is the only disease

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can u just answer the question

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can you

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I don't think you have an idea of what the other illnesses are, do you?

2019-12-23 16:43:03 UTC

Do you think the only illness is measels? @!Link You are guilty of the same shit you are saying chad is.

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I am completely aware that there are more illnesses

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but do you think the only illness is measels?

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no.

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if i though measles ws the only disease why would i say 15:51] chad: stop people getting disease which does little harm, making them more susceptible to other illnesses?

2019-12-23 16:56:31 UTC

i was just wondering what other diseases you ment with "other illnesses"

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as in which

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you could try polite conversation

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just a crazy idea

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I'm just asking a question which i think got miss understood

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it weakens your immune system

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Does getting sick build immune system?
A child exposed to colds and viruses earlier in life will develop a stronger immune system and is less likely to become sick in his or her later years. ... So, if you get it earlier, you're going to be immune earlier.โ€

2019-12-23 17:27:52 UTC

Yes but wouldn't a vaccine do that, except the child doesn't have to go through the risk of fighting off the disease?

2019-12-23 17:28:04 UTC

Well, the full disease.

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At it's strength.

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Having the child get the disease can be dangerous.

2019-12-23 17:28:27 UTC

And vaccines work the same way, by introducing a weakened form of the illness you develop the immune system without the need for the full illness. This way the immune system gets significantly less weakened in comparison to the real deal without (too much [I don't know the numbers on that]) comprising the outcome, aka immunity

2019-12-23 17:28:50 UTC

I do not know where I stand on vaxx.

2019-12-23 17:29:08 UTC

We'll I'm definitely pro-vax, let that be clear

2019-12-23 17:29:17 UTC

One side of me agrees that they save millions of lives, and the other side is like, well the gov't can put shit into it.

2019-12-23 17:29:54 UTC

Yeah you have a point there, but I don't know the exact influence of the government in it.

2019-12-23 17:30:08 UTC

I see more positive than negative with vax, so i'm fine with it.

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they already fluoridate everything

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very dangerous

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until something bad happens to you or your loved ones

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from a vaccine

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^

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I want to make sure my children live safely

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and off the grid.

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free from gov't control

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and surveillance.

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ty

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the neutral WHO you can trust?!

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Yeah the WHO is a trustworthy source, much more trustworthy than NaturalNews

2019-12-23 18:19:18 UTC

all government run

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really what about its report on depleted uranium in iraq?

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none of them can be trusted

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kurzgesagt is fake

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im highly anti vaxx and proud

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because its full of liberal propoganda

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It's real, wether you agree with it or not, it still exists

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Sorry but the excuse government but chemicals in things is pathetic, if they wanted to they do it in all of their products

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they even argue the case for UBI

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Not just vaccines

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yes like in the water

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i dont believe in chemtrails but there is scientific evidence vaccines cause autism/adhd

2019-12-23 18:34:52 UTC

if they wanted to put flouride in it they could

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they do

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and in the air

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There is not, at least nothing that has been retracted or is just surveys without any medical influence as far as I know @ProgrammerVerbatim

2019-12-23 18:35:24 UTC

If the government wanted to they would, and you couldnโ€™t do anything about, so youโ€™ll just have to bear it

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@Jondar02 because the truth is hidden from us

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yes we do

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most scientists are fake

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consensus is doctored

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Fluoride isnโ€™t that bad

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If you've found the truth I trust you can direct me towards that truth?

2019-12-23 18:36:18 UTC

in the grand scheme of things the government oppress us and want us to believe in a flat earth

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!warn @ProgrammerVerbatim stupid comments

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Well then

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@Jondar02 think about how a spinning waterball would logically work

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moving at an incredibly fast rate

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It wouldnโ€™t

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Earth doesn't spin fast

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gravity doesn't exist, its just density which determines whether things fall back to the ground

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Wow this guy ๐Ÿ˜‚

2019-12-23 18:38:09 UTC

@Jondar02 its immense scale every single day turning? yes it does move pretty fast

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@shakz7 hes good for you

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@shakz7 subjective attacks don't work

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hes your mirror

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Why wouldnt it work

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because the water would not stay in place

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it wouldn't be level

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Gravity

2019-12-23 18:39:25 UTC

Ah, say you have a bucket half full of water on one end of the stick, and a bucket completely full of water on the other end, and something in the middle so it can move up or down. Both sides have water of equal density yet the bucket with more water will fall and the other one will go up. What's up with that?

2019-12-23 18:39:43 UTC

chad why were they stupid comments i genuinely believe in this

2019-12-23 18:40:10 UTC

Earth spins very fast in space but their isnโ€™t is no air to drag you off

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@Jondar02 density changes with volume

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Not really

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@Jondar02 only if there is a constant mass

2019-12-23 18:41:02 UTC

the bucket which is full is more dense therefore is more inclined to go to the ground

2019-12-23 18:41:06 UTC

Density: rho = kg/m^3. More volume, means more mass but same rho

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fake equation

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Density of liquid water is constant

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It's the definition of density @ProgrammerVerbatim, no equation

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no

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ok that is a valid point to be fair

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but still doesnt prove gravity

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with a few tweaks in the density model im sure it would work again

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So gravity is still consistent

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unlike gravity

2019-12-23 18:43:53 UTC

Stop using gravity in your argument as like I said we dont know much about it

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