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Who
When
Gotta link to it?
Liar
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Is there a channel where I can read the flat Earth model we're referring to so we can be on the same page?
There are some details that tend to fluctuate
The model is there is no curve
Yeah, but stuff like the existence of a dome or being the center of the universe and such
I've met people that said for example that the moon was some kind of battery
I didn't really get it to be honest
So?
@Matuzu the earth is flat and doesnt move, what else would you like to know
Alright, then for example
What do you think about the shape of the moon?
i think it is irrelevant to the shape of the earth
I wouldn't say that
i did
There are phenomenons like eclipses and such that are related to both
so you say
Is it not?
youre the one who brought it up
Alright, then let's change subject
How do you think eclipses work?
no lets not change the subject. lets talk about earths shape
These phenomenons can only be explained (at least for now) by a round earth, thus the relationship
We are talking about the shape of the earth by discussing this
so if there is only one explanation it must be correct?
thats a new one to me
Do you have any other alternative?
so when the said the sun was a god and no one gave an alternative that ws what it ws
Oh boy, there are **many** alternatives to a religion
and if a rando on the internet doesnt give an alternative then the explanation you have must be correct
if thats your contention then fine
2 plus 2 equals 4, it makes sense, it's logical and for now there is no other way to get a different result
There isn't another answer, making it true
But
If there was a process which made sense
It could also be considered true
no 2 different explanations for the same thing cannot be true
True, but for certain phenomenons we only have one explanation
unless you are in some kind of bizaro world
We don't have anything else to explain it
does it need to be explained
Yes
i disagree
Why?
youre the one who thinks it needs explaining
I already have an explanation for it and I was hoping to see if the same thing was different from your point of view
if youre happy with it then good for you
And let's be real, refusing to explain something isn't a particularly strong argument is it
it isnt an argument at all
Exactly
exaactly what
There's no way to prove me wrong
There's no argument
why should i want to prove you wrong
We're debating
what about
Or at least change my point of view
only you can do that
Not necessarily
I can be convinced
what is the debate?
But for now, I'm getting zero answers
What is the debate?
what is the debate?
21:58] Matuzu: We're debating
you said this
hallo apfel
hallo apfel
The thing is about the moon being relevant to the shape of the earth
english only
ich spreche nicht englisch
ok so prove it
ok coomer
Alright
Phenomenons like eclipses can not be explained (at least for now) if we assume the earth is flat
I was hoping to get a different point of view
if i measure water its flat
an eclipse has no bearing on this
the earth is flat because we see it as flat
to determine the shape of Earth's surface one would look down, not up
if you can show how an eclipse effects the measurement of flat water i would be interested
any other explanations are invalid
So none of you guys can give an answer, right?
@ProgrammerVerbatim your role profile is confusing
an answer for what? its a debate not a q and a
i accidentally clicked on globe earther
ah ok
changed
i almost associated myself as one of them
if you think your on a water ball spinning at a gazillion miles per hour
your are WRONG
@Matuzu an answer to what?
flat earth is the only way we can explain this
How do eclipses work @Flat Earth PhD
this is a debate
Yes
the sun moves slightly faster than the moon
so sometimes it catches up
there dumb glober
the earth is at the centre of the univers
no insulte or you go
eok
ok
also god controls everything
dont give bs answers either
what do you mean
i believe in him
asking for explanations is not debating
!rank
<:XMARK6:403540169992568833> **ProgrammerVerbatim**, this command is disabled in this channel
ok
but they should know the truth
!mute @ProgrammerVerbatim
idiot
<:snapsnap:484956825863585792>
fake flat earther
I've seen a lot of those lately
some people have too much free time methinks
a good depression will cure that
!unmute @ProgrammerVerbatim
ok cheers
@ProgrammerVerbatim be sensible
i will try to be
just passionate about my views
go to lounge for other chat
ok
It technically started within the timeframe you mentioned
@Jondar02 I looked into it, the original website says nothing about vaccine uptake. It was literally fabricated by someone and put there. Here's the website: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140505192926/https://www.hpa.org.uk/web/hpaweb&hpawebstandard/hpaweb_c/1195733835814
@Jondar02 Nvm, I would be dishonest to ignore this. Scroll down to page 15 and you will see the vaccine coverage. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/769970/UK_measles_and_rubella_elimination_strategy.pdf
It's a shame that the guy who did the chart didn't properly add this in his sources. You're right but I would argue that the vaccination coverage was still low (~50% in the 80's) and as you can see in pic related it was already almost gone in that time.
I retract my previous statements. ๐คช If you're gonna make a chart, you should properly include the source and not make the viewer chase it.
"Vaccine coverage remained low until the late 1980s and was
insufficient to interrupt measles transmission. Therefore, annual notifications only
fell to between 50,000 and 100,000 and measles remained a major cause of
morbidity and mortality"
So yes, it wasn't instantly
So vaccines work then
work in what sense?
stop people getting disease which does little harm, making them more susceptible to other illnesses?
wasting time and resources which are in demand
can you specify "other illnesses"
not measles
what than?
are you only aware of measles?
you think that is the only disease
can u just answer the question
can you
I don't think you have an idea of what the other illnesses are, do you?
Do you think the only illness is measels? @!Link You are guilty of the same shit you are saying chad is.
I am completely aware that there are more illnesses
but do you think the only illness is measels?
no.
if i though measles ws the only disease why would i say 15:51] chad: stop people getting disease which does little harm, making them more susceptible to other illnesses?
i was just wondering what other diseases you ment with "other illnesses"
as in which
you could try polite conversation
just a crazy idea
I'm just asking a question which i think got miss understood
it weakens your immune system
Does getting sick build immune system?
A child exposed to colds and viruses earlier in life will develop a stronger immune system and is less likely to become sick in his or her later years. ... So, if you get it earlier, you're going to be immune earlier.โ
Yes but wouldn't a vaccine do that, except the child doesn't have to go through the risk of fighting off the disease?
Well, the full disease.
At it's strength.
Having the child get the disease can be dangerous.
And vaccines work the same way, by introducing a weakened form of the illness you develop the immune system without the need for the full illness. This way the immune system gets significantly less weakened in comparison to the real deal without (too much [I don't know the numbers on that]) comprising the outcome, aka immunity
I do not know where I stand on vaxx.
We'll I'm definitely pro-vax, let that be clear
One side of me agrees that they save millions of lives, and the other side is like, well the gov't can put shit into it.
Yeah you have a point there, but I don't know the exact influence of the government in it.
I see more positive than negative with vax, so i'm fine with it.
they already fluoridate everything
very dangerous
until something bad happens to you or your loved ones
from a vaccine
^
I want to make sure my children live safely
and off the grid.
free from gov't control
and surveillance.
ty
the neutral WHO you can trust?!
Yeah the WHO is a trustworthy source, much more trustworthy than NaturalNews
all government run
really what about its report on depleted uranium in iraq?
none of them can be trusted
kurzgesagt is fake
im highly anti vaxx and proud
How? @ProgrammerVerbatim
because its full of liberal propoganda
It's real, wether you agree with it or not, it still exists
Sorry but the excuse government but chemicals in things is pathetic, if they wanted to they do it in all of their products
they even argue the case for UBI
Not just vaccines
yes like in the water
i dont believe in chemtrails but there is scientific evidence vaccines cause autism/adhd
if they wanted to put flouride in it they could
they do
and in the air
There is not, at least nothing that has been retracted or is just surveys without any medical influence as far as I know @ProgrammerVerbatim
If the government wanted to they would, and you couldnโt do anything about, so youโll just have to bear it
@Jondar02 because the truth is hidden from us
yes we do
most scientists are fake
consensus is doctored
Fluoride isnโt that bad
If you've found the truth I trust you can direct me towards that truth?
in the grand scheme of things the government oppress us and want us to believe in a flat earth
!warn @ProgrammerVerbatim stupid comments
Well then
@Jondar02 think about how a spinning waterball would logically work
moving at an incredibly fast rate
It wouldnโt
Earth doesn't spin fast
gravity doesn't exist, its just density which determines whether things fall back to the ground
Wow this guy ๐
@Jondar02 its immense scale every single day turning? yes it does move pretty fast
@shakz7 subjective attacks don't work
hes your mirror
Why wouldnt it work
because the water would not stay in place
it wouldn't be level
Gravity
Ah, say you have a bucket half full of water on one end of the stick, and a bucket completely full of water on the other end, and something in the middle so it can move up or down. Both sides have water of equal density yet the bucket with more water will fall and the other one will go up. What's up with that?
chad why were they stupid comments i genuinely believe in this
Earth spins very fast in space but their isnโt is no air to drag you off
@Jondar02 density changes with volume
Not really
the bucket which is full is more dense therefore is more inclined to go to the ground
Density: rho = kg/m^3. More volume, means more mass but same rho
fake equation
Density of liquid water is constant
It's the definition of density @ProgrammerVerbatim, no equation
no
ok that is a valid point to be fair
but still doesnt prove gravity
with a few tweaks in the density model im sure it would work again
So gravity is still consistent
unlike gravity
Stop using gravity in your argument as like I said we dont know much about it
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