they're being it without even thinking to even be insightful. By how they condemn people like you as 'sheep' and rubbish.

It's absolutely futile to try and convince somebody who is unwilling, anyways.

It is the soul's job. The soul sees what it wants to see. Ruthlessly convincing somebody just breeds hostility and opposition.

It's amazing how many fail to see this.

They play right into the game of chess that they preach about.

I'm only in here cuz <#484514023698726912> is full of insincere weirdos. I'd call this #storytelling if I could because that's how finding new knowledge should be.

Like you're being read to rather than picked apart.

'I believe this because this. What do you think? Oh, that's interesting!'

Someone should make a new channel for exactly that.

Debates have their place, but a *willful learning* channel would be great.

Yeah, truly!

No aggression

When I say ANE you say MONE

ANE

We're having a *moment* here!

The only time I really debate is over just basic philosophy. Like how I would call somebody brainwashed for believing the past hasn't been lied about. Not to insult them but as a matter of fact. Though we all slip-up but I try not to say such but sometimes it just has to be said. It's not to insult but to wake somebody up, kinda. Like 'Hey, look outside your reality for a sec.'

I know, that came from nowhere. Pay no matter or natter 💗

I hear what you're saying. I actually really enjoy a good civil debate. I've learned a lot from it and debating flat earth is a genuinely interesting topic that teaches me new things all the time.

Yes, yes, agreed!

Just... if you get me, from the word 'debate', alone...

you already have the potential of the atmosphere quickly becoming inflammatory.

Yeah, I can appreciate that. And it usually does escalate despite my attempts to keep things civil.

Might be the nature of the beast, unfortunately

Because of how basic psychology, many take the definitions of words as the connotation rather than the denotation, so biases cause the atmosphere to spin rather quickly.

Yeah, sadly

You need to have a good mediator, less people and a common consensus among the group or it falters.

Yup, agreed

Plushie, it's been great talking to you! I gotta hit the hay. Stick around and we'll chat later!

Aw, of course! Sleep well, Drew! Thank you! You too. Just notify me and I'll notify you back as soon as I'm available :)

@Drewski4343 @Bird-Finchine (UK, Wales)

You should put loftus in your name

@Abe Lover Why are you just saying random stuff?

@Bird-Finchine (UK, Wales) its genuinely heartwarming to see that people are willing to have a nice conversation here. You are a shining example of what everyone should be doing. You too @Drewski4343

Who do you support, the Republican catholics in Ireland, aka the PIRA or the INLA, or the Loyalist protestants in Northern Ireland, aka the UVF and the UDA

I live in northern Ireland and I support neither

We should have peace

@Biggest_of_Boys Aaaw, thank you :) He was really warm to talk with.

@Edillon Which bit was interesting? :)

The realm idea

Aaah, okay :)

@Bird-Finchine (UK, Wales) isn't concave earth like it's hollow? what about seismology? I don't rlly wanna debate rn i am just wondering that one thing :D

@demonwarrior2266 Oh, no, not quite! Think of an egg for Concave.

Though there are whispers Concave also has Hollow in it. Whoknows.

oh ok nvm

so why would it be that shape

@demonwarrior2266 Our very clever Ancients' cosmology.

As for seizmic activity, volcanoes are said to be ancient mines.

ok

this is a cult

@Juztet#6969 Huh?

@Drewski4343

who else thinks white is the best race?

Nope

It's superior population and history wise but should it get more privlidges than others? No

@Abe Lover They're obviously being insincere.

Henlo

@coco👻 all people are equal
Except for you. I just hate you for that comment

@coco👻 you are such a dibshit to think like that.

@coco👻 rule 1 is no racism

@Bird-Finchine (UK, Wales) some people still do think like that though, so it could be what they really think. but it's sad and very ignorant

@Akhanyatin Think like what?

oh wow that was yesterday, sorry lol i was talking about the racist person earlier

Ohhh, I see.

I agree but they were obviously being insincere.

you're saying that because they only posted this and left?

No, and for other reasons.

oh ok

universal acceleration is a better gravity model for flat earth than density and buoyancy

ok but globe earth is a better model for earth than flat earth :P

:p

Just make it a mysterious downward force

My god, they are missing out on all the easy solutions here

UA is also good

But definetely NOT "uh so its uh denisty alignement disqulibrium non force-but force"

density and buoyancy has no set vector

on its own

Objects still fall in a vacuum chamber. Boom. Debunked.

if there was a dabing emoji i would SO be using it rn

why there no dab!?

<:pepe:593650260606451722>

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

*dab*

ヽ( •_)ᕗ

sorta dab... or flexing nazi, not sure

lol

Are you all on Syrinx as well btw?

What's Syrinx?

Syrinx: the lower larynx or voice organ in birds, situated at or near the junction of the trachea and bronchi and well developed in songbirds.

It's another FE discord, got some good people on there for sure

These days not that many F.E-ers though I'm afraid

I'm on a few, but not that one

@Albert Einstein can you give me an invite to this server

Yup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA37RcoWLOc

In the description at the bottom there's a link

Don't be discouraged by Nathan linking it he's never there

@Albert Einstein invalid link

ah okay, probably a bit too old

Will get you guys one tomorrow

ok

@Flat Earth Subgenius what you wanna debate bro

@Flat Earth Subgenius

oh ok

i thought this was voice

id rather talk

i'd rather not

cause I get talked over

haha

alright give me a topic

lets go

Do it in debate vc

It will be civil with a 1v1

ye no mic now though

lets do it here

so we can record it

im in VC already

i'm here already too

I want to record this entire thing

in vc it gets forgotten

@Flat Earth Subgenius @mineyful
Flat earth subgenius talks mineyful txt

ye that's what I suggested

@mineyful join debate vc so the other guy can talk to you

he gone boi

just measure that curve goy

@Flat Earth Subgenius

is it alright if i listen in

sure

@Flat Earth Subgenius alright we communicate from here

do you want to do introductions or not

or should we delve straight into a topic

@Flat Earth Subgenius BOI

remember I can't talk

@Flat Earth Subgenius he's gonna txt

LT_Lauren#5122 LANGUAGE!!!

LT_Lauren#5122 LANGUAGE!!!

AHHHHHHH

@Flat Earth Subgenius nice name calling

He lives in a house

I'm assuming

@mineyful

yes?

i'm waiting for him

@Flat Earth Subgenius

Make a point

do you want the equation or the derivation

do you want a website or do you just want me to paste it

Think he wants an explanation from you

alright

With a source to back it up

lets begin

I have not seen it with my own eyes, and here is the reason: You should be able to detect it from an aeroplane at a cruising height of around 10,600 metres (35,000 feet), but you need a fairly wide field of view (ie 60 degrees) and a virtually cloud-free horizon.

I did not have a wide enough field of view

the plane window is rather small and restricts the field of view

what people usually mean by this is actually a misnomer, they are actually seeing their horizon curve around them and not the curvature of the Earth

What you see when you look at a sphere is a fraction of that sphere proportional to your height above it (h) and the radius of that sphere (R), the proportion you can see is given by (h/2/(h+R)). This boundry forms a circle which we call the horizon.

```HYMN TO "R"
Our Eratosthenes whose sticks measured the heavens,
Hallowed be thy name,
Thy circumference come,
Thy radius be done,
On Earth as it measures in the heavens,
Give us this day our daily shadows,
And forgive us for assuming the distance to the sun,
To give us the globe.
R-men```

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b883e5b22f2e966117667801a3046dec

From just 200 meters elevation, on a 4000 pixel wide image at 94.4 degree field of view you should expect about 7 vertical pixels of rise out of the horizon circle

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b5fe97011a61b32f84e66547d6a05989.webp

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2b784f5f48148ec3720704b46a20c625.webp

When providing evidence make sure you provide your own explaination and source to provide proof
EX: Water has three states solid liquid gas *paste source*

don't make hasty generalizations

They think they do because the window is fish eye lensed

That's like saying Satan isn't bad because other satanist say otherwise

In this form of faulty reasoning one's belief is rendered unfalsifiable because no matter how compelling the evidence is, one simply shifts the goalposts so that it wouldn't apply to a supposedly 'true' example. This kind of post-rationalization is a way of avoiding valid criticisms of one's argument.

You can't use someone else's claims to justify

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484514023698726912/598676707267969054/image0.png

keep this pyramid in mind

name calling isnt valid

sound something like "cause you're a child"

@Czepa debate

With mineyful

i dont debate trolls

Idk about him trolling but :/

Darn what is that, the 50Th time I’ve been called a troll

Is he scared

@mineyful

@Superiorna_Artiljerija

bruh

im awake

i'm awake lmao sorry

darn we're both globe earthers @Superiorna_Artiljerija

yes

green > orange prove me wrong

truthers are pretty cool

I like the blue more

Fight me

ok

i am a blue

Hi I'm blue I'm Epic loftus

Welcome to the Ice Wall!

hi

Welcome to the Ice Wall!

dont

@The_H @kino

@filesaver

@THE YETI

Okay

okay

@filesaver lmao if you really think if theres no gravity we will all be flying you have tons to learn

just because things fall

it doesn't mean there is a force pulling down

Youre the person who thinks that gravitation doesn’t exist

where is the proof of gravity? dont say apples fall and that is gravity

filesaver#4832 LANGUAGE!!!

Why not

falling down is an effect. no one proved the cause.

Oh ffs

For example

Earth has bigger mass than apples, thats why they fall to earth, and not in the opposite way

density? hello?

Welcome to the Ice Wall!

The moon is orbiting earth because its stuck to its gravitational field. Without gravitation it would fly away

so they say

where is your proof?

In reasoning

lmao

Okay dover answer this then

You know, gravitation is not a material. We can't give you some.

im done

We only can reason

How the actual f*ck is the moon stuck under earths done

@kino

i asked first mate

where is your proof of gravity?

you cant just ignore me and ask another question

I told you lmao

You need to read my messages @kino

bring me the proof

hahah

Ya blind? The moon is orbiting earth because its stuck to its gravitational field. Without gravitation it would fly away

so dumb

You can even see the moon orbiting earth if you look at a telescope

thats an explanation, not proof

It is

Friendly reminder be nice no insults that brings nothin to conversation

Now answer my question

Mods only ban globe believers. Shame.

@The_H I'm half globie

How is the moon stuck under earths dome?

Abd look at me

I'm not a nunce

bc usually they only mock the flat earthers without presenting any evidence

they all just claim and claim

^

Well you don't believe our evidences

and when they asked to present evidence