Also binary stars can be seen with amateur telescopes

I'm sorry, we're talking about astronomy aren't we?

i dont see how lights moving in the sky prove mass is attracted to mass

jeremy.. they're not light sources

?

Planets are not light sources.

debateable

people think the moon is a light source

Shadows can't be left on light sources

ok

A lunar eclipse is the Earth's shadow on the moon

maybe

u know their have been lunar eclipses where the sun and moon were both visible in the sky during the eclipse though right

don't know anything about that

may i have a source?

well u should look into that before u start telling me what makes the shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse

do a google search prolly i dont have that source off hand

I've got an article here

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.space.com/amp/13856-total-lunar-eclipse-rare-senelion.html

I'm only finding one thing about it

thx

Is that what you're talking about @jeremy?

its happened a lot throughout history

dont worry they have a magical excuse for it

Ahh

so ur in the clear

more globe magic

That article explains how it was possible

yes i know magic

Atmospheric refraction

yes

not magic

maybe maybe not

lets think about it

Atmospheric refraction is like when you put a stick in water and it looks like it's in a different place in the water, right? (If you get what I mean)

You realize that lunar eclipses can only be accurately predicted with a globe model, right?

the sun moon and earth are supposed to be in a straight line for a lunar eclipse but we can see the sun and moon in the sky so atmospheric refraction is taking the sun 90 degrees out of where it really is ?

PicklePot I guess

Well, was it a full eclipse?

atmospheric refraction is moving the sun thousands of miles

The light from the sun is being refracted so it looks displaced, although physically it is still behind the moon

magic

the sun is not behind the moon in a lunar eclipse

Light moves differently through gravity and space too

its supposed to be on th e opposite side of earth not behind the moon

jeremy is just going to claim gravity is only a theory

ur getting solar and lunar eclipse mied up

mixed u

up

Yeah my bad

What I said still holds true tho

Light moves differently through an atmosphere than empty space

so u have the sun the earth then the moon in a straight line but atmospheric refraction makes the sun move 90 degrees at least which is thoussnds of miles it sounds magical

Like my water example I used earlier

jeremy, please read the article

ive heard all the magical globe excuses

The irony.

It doesn't "move" the sun. The light from the sun is displaced by the atmosphere so it seems as if it is shifted.

so i can see the sun and moon in the sky but its not moving the sun ?

It's like how when we look at things 100 light years away, we are actually seeing what they looked like in the past due to how fast light moves

It's not moving the sun

lol dude u cant see 100 light years

A telescope can though

Which is obviously what I would be talking about

u cant see polaris with the naked eye ?

thats 300 light years supposedly

You just said you can't jeremy..

you just said I can't see 100 light years????

What???

Why are you contradicting yourself?

according to the globe model u can see 300 light years with the naked yee to polaris

So, you can see 300 light years

Well sure, then why did you say I can't see 100 light years away?

light still travels to your eye

im saying the distance to polaris is not a fact and seeing 300 light years is not possible due to perspective

He never said you can't see 100 light years, he said you can through a telescope

i dont think its possible thats just my opinion

AN OPINION?

yeah

You're not very bright.

Opinions don't fit well in debates over what is fact or not.

its ur opiinion stars are light years away

Nobody wants to debate with someone over their opinions

distance to stars is not a fact thats ur opinion

especially when they call their opinions scientific fact

well dont give me ur opinions then

Stupid.

I'm done here.

ok

Opinion: "A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge."

PicklePot he's a lost cause.

Good day

Ye

Ciao

lol

Good luck with this dude

its an opinion the stars are light years away

its not fact

Apparently his opinions is more important than proven facts.

they will tell u its a fact but its not

Apparently so

what a proven fact merric

Is your opinion that it's not possible to are 300 light years away based on facts?

well the distance to polaris is not a fact

if u think it is a fact then thats on you

i dont think we can see 300 light years because of perspective

People found its distance from earth using advanced trigonometry

right

And "because of perspective" doesn't make any sense

do u know what happens if u do a trig problem to find the distance of the sun

You find the distance to the sun

That's what happens

well the farther out we see the more condensed it is eventually things so far away are condensed into a space that is too small to see anything through

That's why we use telescopes

ok ur about to do a trig problem u got 2 people on earth and the angle to the sun right

thats how u do the trig problem to find the distance to the sun right

Not necessarily, since the earth surface is rounded, which would create an imperfect triangle

But close

they factor int he curvature of earth for the trig problem i know

so 2 people on earth can calculate the distance to the sun right through the trig probelm ?

Yeah sure

and do u think the trig problem to find the distance to the moon uses different numbers

mic drop

Sorry what

Anyway I have a source which explains this in better depth than I can

https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/review/dr-marc-solar-system/planet-distances.html

I would advise reading it

I know there's better ones out there with more detail but I'll have to look later

You can essentially calculate distances using angle-side equations and ratios

The trig problem 2 people use to find the distance to the sun and the trig problem 2 people use to find the distance to the moon use the same number

Same number of what?

Same numbers for the distance to the sun and moon

Nah they dont

That would mean that the moon is the same distance from the earth as the sun is

Yeah they do u should learn how it works

Sun and moon are same apparent size in the sky

Yep

But one is smaller and closer, while the other is bigger and farther away

Like how if you look at a man standing on a hill with a scyscraper in the background, they may look similar in height.

Well the trig problem gives u the same distance for sun and moon

No it doesn't

Look it up

Look up what? "Does the trig problem give the same number for the sun and moon"?

U should get a friend and do it

U should get a friend and do it

hmm

are you saying that the sun is the same distance and size as the moon

That would take days because you have to consider moon phases and orbit speed relative to the earth

That’s not how it works

Also if the sun was the same size as the moon, the the earth wouldn't orbit around the sun. It would be torn and stretched between the sun and moon until both eventually collide.

That's not even taking into account other planets

@jeremy I gave that gravity debate a thought last night. Density is mass divided by volume, so in that sense density has something to do with gravity, but not without mass and volume. You say it's density and buoyancy that makes things drop and things try to find equilibrium because of electromagnetism right?

I'd say it's mass attracting mass because of gravity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrZjJLOrLoQ&lc=z23gvjxycueftxxgz04t1aokg3yh11eysc0ien3txg3qbk0h00410.1557899740622797

I can't prove gravity to you right now, you can't prove that electromagnetism makes things fall, so it's a zero sum game

What did I walk into

One thing I still wonder is does size play a role in flat earth "gravity"

@ipmancombo Just talking about gravity, continuation to yesterdays discussion

But Jeremy is not here so a monologue 😂

i dont say its density and bouyancy only

could it be static electricity ? their is 100 volts int he air per meter

hmmm

i doubt it because

some things are without electric charge and shown to have gravitational field

The weight of an object is defined as the force of gravity on the object and may be calculated as the mass times the acceleration of gravity, w = mg. Since the weight is a force, its SI unit is the newton.

idk

so a helium filled balloon has no mass becuase it weighs nothing

?

a helium ballon put it on a scale it weighs nothing

it has zero weight

whats the formula for mass

https://www.wikihow.com/Calculate-Mass

first step is find density

so you cant find desnity without knowing mass but u cant find mass without knowing the density. hmmmmmm

Helium still has weight, a filled helium tank weighs more than an empty one

Weight is the downward force, but it becomes slightly harder to measure if there's a big upward force acting on it as well

how about an empty ballon and a balloon filled with helium

Well the balloon filled with helium has both the mass of the balloon and helium

but it weighs nothing

But filling it with helium means that the upward force of buoyancy acts on it too, so it becomes hard to measure the weight

It still has weight acting downwards, there's just a bigger force pushing it up

impossible to measure the weight ?

Well a scale just measures the force pushing down on it, if there's another force present then you won't get a good measurement

so u cant measure it ?

There's other ways

Like putting a load of it into a gas bottle and measuring the change in weight of the bottle

Ok so i just joined who here is the round earther

i am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaPa4esJJx4

@Shada

so if i put a helium balloon inside a container and weight the container before and after itll weight more with the helium b alloon in it ?

force is relative

same with speed

the helium will be pushing against to bottle trying to push it up, making it seem as if its lighter but in reality it is the same weight

@jeremy No it will weigh less because the helium balloon will displace more air

yeah i figured

@Human Sheeple weight= force of gravity not net force

youd have to prove mass attracts mass due to their mass before u start throwing that in formulas

the Formula literally is proof

it is proof of how the thing with the formula is applicable to everyday life

idk

@jeremy we have-several times

no i dont think so

several times of what?

also to address the static electricity idea, no static is not pulling mass towards other masses because not everything is effected by static

@eletrick33 And i'd say faraday cage cancels static electricity, thus everything in that cage should float without any forces acting on them

is this a joke discord

@term No

why

It just isn't

There are people who would be labeled truthers to what they believe @term

@Credibly Charted Do you believe the earth is flat?

No

But I know the earth is earth shaped

Ok then

earth shaped as in sphere correct?

I wouldn't know

@term Seems like it

But there are two sides to this coin

Flat earth and Globe earth and one side has to be right about it

The proof they both have gather clash constantly

um

@Credibly Charted I would say more evidence for the sphere

flat earth.. proof?

Like what proof?

ive never seen any proof other than scuffed "science"

the sphere "theory" has photo evidence, math backed, etc

@Credibly Charted If density and buoyancy and electromagnetism is what makes things fall and rise, the optimal shape of the earth would be a sphere

Math doesn't mean much technically

I'm not familiar with electromagnetism part of flat earth but I know that most flat earthers argue that density is the thing that keeps us down or says they have no clue what the force (gravity) is and neither does the globe side blah blah blah

These photos could have been easily edited even at the time of the oldest ones @term

@Credibly Charted Yes, but that sphere is where they would end up too

Elaborate

Dense material in the middle, surrounded by less dense materials

Flat would make no sense

how does math not mean much

And the flat earth should fall faster then us because it's more dense

is there any motivation for the photos to be edited? if they are edited why are there no signs that they are

i dont understand the flat earth theory of the government tricking you that its a sphere

what possible motivation could there be for that

The motivation is irreverent

In my opinion of course

The thing about that Viher is that the earth isn't moving on the flat earth model

why would they be edited then

It isn't spinning

It isn't going up in the air

It's stationary and from what a flat earther told me: "on the floor of the universe"

I said they could be edited and you can't say they can't be

are most flat earthers religious or believe in spirity stuff?

ive never heard of any atheist flat earther