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So what do you guys think of the civil war

what civil war?

I thought it was cool when that one guy did that one thing

Hey just chilling

Hey

oh yeah yeah

@Xon yo

yeah oh yeah

Oh yeah yeah

@Citizen Z oi

rude

Lol

Gotta set up the other channels

*mumbles about government oppression*

Lol

Hey

anud

Hi

Gun control does not work

It works for the criminals

You got me

😁

first thing I want to show you guys is a type of ferrocell and you're about to see what it can do here but basically it gives you an entire view of the not only the dielectric inertial filled but the entire toroid around the magnetic field this is absolutely amazing I have never seen such incredible detail on this but if you look at it it's just stunning and this really is a very very good representation of the e m field that surrounds the Earth and I don't mean the globe Earth I mean the Flat Earth because the center this part of it there is is where we are that is called the plane and from that you have the centripetal and centrifugal lines of force that actually do all the magic
Next electro static potential in the air we are literally swimming in it. Its what WE call gravity
Original presentation of gravity heard me talk about Richard feynman s findings of electrostatic energy that is actually emanating from the earth and its showing that there is an electrostatic potential that runs roughly about 100 volts for meter and supposedly has been taken up to 50 km. electromagnetic soup okay it is in my opinion and many others what we are calling gravity gravity is not something that is caused by mass attracted to each other it is not something that is caused by bent space -globebusters https://youtu.be/p2QQqN4x_Os https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427585885068984321/465708086166945792/unknown.png http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu

Much of the following explanations adapted from Nobel prize-winning physicist Richard Feynman lecture on physics section called electricity in the atmosphere. For every meter you go up in the air the voltage increases by around 100 volts or we could say around 100 volts per yard. We can draw these voltage increases what we call equipotential lines. The ground is negative and the sky is positive. This extends upwards 50 km or 31 miles where the air is very conductive. -globebusters https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427585885068984321/465714681340887042/equalpotential_lines_2.PNG https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427585885068984321/465714688324403210/equalpotential_lines.PNG https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427585885068984321/465716617192538112/electricity_in_the_atmosphere.PNG https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/419246750260264960/465716476536684554/electricity_in_the_atmosphere_2.PNG https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427585885068984321/465716637845422101/electricity_in_the_atmosphere_2.PNG

https://youtu.be/2rVdEhyMR6A

A static electric field it is acknowledged by mainstream science there is no doubt that it is there and like I said anybody that's done any Tower work or ever managed to come across ground when you're on top of a skyscraper or anything like that and you basically get the crap knocked out of you buy a static electric charge you certainly understand that it is definitely there

This is a great compilation of evidence for very strange things like rotation and electrostatic effects and I want to show you guys some technologies that have been discussed in this and put a couple minutes in this video but again what this whole thing is about is about Antigravity perpetual motion everything and it has absolutely nothing to do with trying to do anything with gravity because they don't even know it what it is
some technology that has been created by scarab beetle wings and a couple other things. Exactly why because the the government's and the powers-that-be certainly don't want this technology coming out they have done their best to quash it in every way shape and form but you know again that's that's simply not going to be happening anytime soon I think it's going to come out more and more and really it's it's beginning to look like the secret to Antigravity is a combination of a couple things... being able to manipulate the electro static charge of somthing.. and the other thing that seems to be a big player in this is rotation... spin.....as in gyroscope and we talked about that. Where you basically can take a gyroscope spin it up even if it weighs 50 lb on the flywheel that you're doing you can lift it usually with one finger right over your head and the only price that you're paying in return to that is is you must rotate around with it too kind of dissipate off some of that weight in a different motion. -globebusters https://youtu.be/fVF4T0OXHkU

The Hutchinson effect...http://www.thefullwiki.org/Hutchison_effect it has been in a largely written off as whatever anything other than legitimate and again this is what they do they don't want anybody looking into this and they just need to watch nothing to see here folks just some weird electrical effect about this electrostatic field and how it is absolutely our gravitational effect. They talked about this static potential and give a demonstration, an experiment that basically lets you see that this is likely what is keeping the water in the rain clouds, these tons and tons of water in the air is a static diabolic alignment effect

To bring this further... the University of Bristol and this is fascinating guys we've all seen the little flying spiders flying around and they call this affect ballooning, and it has been previously thought at least asserted by mainstream Scholars that what is happening here with the spiders is there simply throwing their silk in the wind and it's catching the air and they are able to fly around with it.

https://youtu.be/GRrUxi6d7so

We have just seen the people at this University set up their own controlled experiment without wind and just simply emulating and electrostatic field that would be equivalent to roughly that 100 volts per meter that we saw with Richard feynman described and they're literally able to navigate around it simply by changing the charge potential of the silk that they're putting out -globebusters

If the Ice Wall exists why can't i see it from a tall mountain if the earht is flat?🤔

Why cant I see you from here

no no no

bois

u got it all wrong

the earth is obviously a triangle

<:smart:484956754489376781>

Please no trolling.

yes master

also this server should make a trolls chat, where everybody there is a troll, and a troll roll, ooh that rhymes :D)

I have that. But you won't be able to talk here anymore.

I can give you access to that. Just dont troll here.

ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA0AGiUEMbc @GIANDING

Number one you have what's called visibility. We have many things in the atmosphere such as moisture that prevent you from seeing infinitely.
WHAT CAUSES GREAT VISIBILITY?
http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/276/

Even if you went to a tall mountain and took away everything such as moisture, humidity, fog, clouds, rain, snow, pollen and dirt particulates out or even just removed the atmosphere completely, (which is impossible) there is still what's called optical slant and angular resolution.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_resolution

Remember there is probably 5 storms between north American and Europe. How many storms are between your nearest mountain and Antarctica?

^
If the moon is thousands of miles up, why can we see the moon in daytime even through the entire atmosphere, but the world record for farthest distance seen is, I think 275 miles?

If we can't see infinitely far on a flat Earth due to debris, humidity, etc... why can we see craters on the moon in daytime using telescopes when the moon is at least a thousand miles up, but we can hardly see over 250 miles looking straight even when using telescopes?

@Citizen Z Thx

You can only see the moon if its clear and no clouds

I dont think the moon is as far as its claimed to be.

Looking sideways has more atmosphere to look through.

When you look sideways, the angles of light become more and more shallow as you look further and things disappear much quicker

I mean.

What was it?

Like 400 distance closer to the sub and 400x smaller or something.

Sun*

It allows eclipses

The earth is a trapiziod

uhuh

Do flat earthers have an explanation for why there is a Southern polar star but no South pole on any flat Earth models?

If we were on a spinning ball we would see straight lines across the sky not perfect circuits around the magnetic poles as if it's a magnetic field.

From that very last image, im guessing that's supposed to be a globe and the lines are showing the star trails

Those are straight lines from that perspective, but that isn't the same perspective of the stars that we have standing on Earth.

The lines are straight from the perspective of, let's say, floating in space away from Earth with the stars that close, but from the perspective of being on Earth, you can see the lines from the trails, and the ones away from your near center vision, about to the left and right, let's say the north and south poles were to the left and right, are visibly circles and not straight lines.

It's hard to explain, and is mostly visual

I explained that poorly, but a better version is that it's like hula hoops. If you have a hula hoop and hold it out towards you perfectly horizontally, it can look like a straight line. But when you raise the hula hoop above your head, it's a circle.

So by saying the star trails are like a hula hoop you are saying the stars are moving and the earth is stationary. Either way the lines are straight.

Cuz if you wanted to model it right. You would need to say we are standing on the outside of the hulu hoop, looking outward, in which case the lines would be straight also. I dont think you understand how simple this is. Star trails prove we are not on a spinning ball. Doesn't mean it's a flat earth. Just not a spinning ball.

The lines are curved because the earth is spinning, those images you provided support the claim that the earth is found

round

No. The images show the star circuits matching a basic toroidial field. If we were on a spinning ball you would see straight lines if you looked directly above you. But you dont, you see rounded circuits bending around the poles just as if you are looking at toroidial field from below it.

Those images of the stars aren't looking straight up, and one of them is using a wide angled lense

If you used a regular lense and positioned your camera so that the stars were completely vertical, they would be straight

They dont look straight because we aren't on a spinning globe

No they dont look straight

Show me straight star trails away from the equator

How straight, for each trail to be straight?

Ima eat then brb

They would all be straight if you were on a spinning ball

https://youtu.be/-Ym6-hGbG38

Watch the video. There is more to it then what I've said

Ok, now I get what you're saying.
The photo at 4:53 is using a wide angled lens I think, but the other photos, that's just how it would look on a spinning ball. The star trails you made on paper would look like straight lines, but that isn't the perspective people take photos from on Earth. If you drew the star trails *on* the ball, not away from it, then the stars would curve away from the equator because those stars aren't on the equator. Only the stars on the equator make straight lines.

Stars basically curve away from the equator because they aren't aligned with the equator, or not on the equator, so they're "trailing" but angled away from the equator

It's hard to explain because it's mostly visual, but try drawing it from the perspective of being on the ball, and it would do the same thing.

Perspective. That's a new one for the globe theory 😂

Im not talking about the perspective formula or whatevs, Im talking about the angle at which you look at something

From the angle you drew on paper, the lines are straight. From the perspective of standing *on* the ball, it would look the same as in the photos.

You're drawing the star trails from a different perspective than the actual photos

Quick question: @Citizen Z you said that the stars follow paths similar to that of a magnetic field. Slight problem with that, a flat Earth can't have two magnetic poles that would result in a field of that shape, because South has to always point outwards. Since the south pole would be stretched out over the ice wall, kind of like a ring magnet, you wouldn't get the patterns seen above, because there's no pole for the stars to move around.

yeh, same reason why a southern polar star is impossible on a flat Earth yet it exists

Think of a bar magnet

Yes, I am thinking of a bar magnet. The problem is that it doesn't work. A bar magnet has two distinct poles, around which the field can form. A flat Earth does not have two distinct poles around which that field can form.

Yes we do. The north and south

And where is the South Pole located on the Flat Earth map?

Who said I had a map

We dont know exactly how it could work. We just know something ain't right. I was asked for an explanation of how the stars could work. I think I've provided an alternative. I wont be able to answer every question obviously. I just find it interesting how it looks

And uh, the star movements don't match Earth's magnetic field... They match the field of a magnet if that magnet was up in the sky, causing the stars to move around it.

I also appreciate how interesting it looks though.

Right

Think of a bar magnet in the sky

https://youtu.be/x7k14iXCndc

https://youtu.be/rn2EoQIw3p0

hello yes I wish to debate

hello yes debate?

yeah but i might take a few to respond

goodbye no agreement

not sure if anyone else will join but they are welcome

earth is round

no, it cant be due to sight distances.

wdym sight distances

the fact if the earth was round we would be able to see as far

as we do

so you're saying the earth is round

round like a pizza with stuffed crust

uh

ok so i'm just going to assume there was a typo and you meant we wouldn't

no tyop

sight is infinite unless something is obstructing your view

wrong

how is it wrong

easy

WHAT CAUSES GREAT VISIBILITY?
http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/276/

no obstructions

causes great visibility

I was gonna start a vaccine debate but guess not.

as long as the light can reach your eye

you can see it

no

lol

yes, that's literally how eyes work

no its not

Hey teith

it depends on the angle the light is coming to your retina

Do you think earth is round or flat?

light goes into eye and into your optic nerve

if the angle becomes as shallow as .02 degrees, the light is unresolvable

causing the wonderful thing known as sight

plus you have atmosphere

Teith?

I think the earth is round

Ok

there is priolly 5 storms between you and the tallest mountain

plus angular resolution

lmao a really bad storm just went over us yesterday actually

if you can debunk angular resolution let me know

wdym angular resolution

look it up

tallest, highest, or furthest from the center of the earth Z :^)

as long as there are no obstructions, you can see

wrong

things disappear bottom up depending on the angle of view

Teith is right

no teith is not right

light focuses into your lens then bounce around your eye things then go into your optical nerve

teith he is making the point that at far enough distances things dont reflex or emit enough lights for your eyes to distinguish them

you guys dont know how optics works

its known

no u

Hey citizen, can you show me that 1 flat earth image pls?

yes, there is light coming from them, just not enough light

as long as there is light

you can see it

no matter how far away you are

it may be hard to distinguish but you can see it

teith, that isnt true

light doesn't just stop moving like that

can you see a coin from a mile away?

if thr light gets to a degree of less than .02 the eye cant resolve it

yes

you can

ok, do it

no you cant

it'll be hard to make out, but you can see it

like REALLY REALLY hard to make out

but you can technically see it

teith, you cant phyically see it

you can see it

listen guys, optics doesnt prove the flat earth, it just debunks parts of the globe earth evidences like things disappearing from the bottom up due to obstruction.

which is a pretty big deal

globe earth doesnt measure curve

they just see obstruction and then equate it to curevature

when in reality it is just the way we see

the simple fact that you can see the sky is disproving that entire idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSAlVua7T4g

no

If space isn’t real explain stars and meteors.

the sky is on a steep angle

ok but that's from a flat earther's point of view

relax for a moment and watch the video

why don't you take a look from a globe earther's point of view

i have

I can't i'm at school

lol

Hol up chief

k then we are done till you can watch the video and understand where we are coming from

I understand where you are coming from

cuz you arent comprhending

no you dont

you are saying you see the curve because of the way your eyes work

you just said light in the sky is seen the same way light would be seen from thousands of miles away sideways

you believe that sight isn't infinite and that you just stop seeing after a certain distance/angle

i never said you stop seeing

i said it becomes unresolvable

that's true

there is a difference

you can see it

but it's hard to make out

no.

wrong

I can prove it because I have glasses and stuff

so basically

smh

you are superman?

yes

cuz of glasses?

what

LOL

no..

you don't get it

I DO

Glasses have a fish eye lens clearly Kappa

YOU DONT

basically

if I don't have my glasses on

i am Übermensch

and I look at a sign that's far away

i put a video up. im done talking till you watch it and get my point of view.

good day.

I see that there's a sign, but I can't make out what it says until I put my glasses on

I will post text

i do like numbers

For you to read

citizen, you believe the earth is flat right?

Then I'm done till you see whats going on

if you were on a hill and someone lit a candle 50 kms away

would you be able to see it

well, no

your own source says no

it does

"you can even see a candle flame flickering up to 30 mi. (48 km) away"

BuT GOOGle Is CoNtRoLED B Y GOVERNMENT

kek

well, your own source only says to 48 km 😹

yes

what is 48 rounded up