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2018-08-02 12:01:47 UTC

This is how the Sun and Moon moves over the plane using some form of electromagnetic levitation. At the end of this video is a demonstration of how the stars are attached to the firmament. This is some properly mind-blowing shit, and is in my opinion actually the first (unintentional) working model of flat earth - to some extent at least.

2018-08-02 12:12:45 UTC

@Sheamus Not just hundreds of kilometers per hour, the actual speed is 1600kph.

2018-08-02 12:15:37 UTC

Also known as Mach 1.3.

2018-08-02 12:22:21 UTC

Salar de Uyuni

2018-08-02 12:45:38 UTC

How do eclipses happen if the sun and moon are always oposing each other as that gif of yours shows? I do not know much about geology or meteorology so i can not comment on wind and clouds.

What I can say however is that density is definitely linked to gravity. Seeing as density is defined as a unit mass per a init volume. And mass in the density definition is calculated using gravitational pull of the earth.

2018-08-02 12:49:53 UTC

And also I saw the curviture of the earth through its shadow on the moon this weekend when the total lunar eclipse happened... took photos of it too😁

2018-08-02 13:14:10 UTC

Mr Deejay how does the Earth hold onto its atmosphere if the Earth doesn’t have any gravity?

2018-08-02 13:23:15 UTC

@Sidius There are more Luminaries in the sky. The one that moves in front of the moon is called Rahu - from the Indian Mythologies (wiki it). Gravity is unproven and can't be used in any flat / globe argument until someone can actually prove it. Everything you said is based on the assumption that the earth is moving, which to this day no-one has done. Assumptions and theories prove nothing.

2018-08-02 13:25:33 UTC

@Betatrixx Density and Buoyancy accounts scientifically and provably for everything attributed to gravity - which again - is just speculation, not actual science.

2018-08-02 13:28:48 UTC

Density is also why Helium balloons float up.

2018-08-02 13:33:54 UTC

Density is indeed why baloons with helium go up. Until they reach high enough above the atmosphere where the air density forces the helium to expand to the point where the baloon bursts.

2018-08-02 13:54:43 UTC

That is how weather baloons work too if I'm not mistaken. Only they do not burst for a long time sothat they can actually collect atmospheric data. And that in turn helps weather stations to predict the weather and storms even over oceans before they happen.

2018-08-02 14:00:28 UTC

@Sidius Yup. Sometimes they send up cameras, I've posted this a few times before, but it's really the only flat earth proof you'll ever need. Please watch the entire video because the camera pans through 360 degrees.

2018-08-02 14:20:15 UTC

Whats with the low fps... and why does it look like an animation instead of actual footage?

2018-08-02 14:22:12 UTC

This footage seems more believable as you can see the camera being launched and most of the journey until the curvature appears visually and the baloon pops at a critical altitude.

2018-08-02 14:25:05 UTC

@Sidius Do you know what a fish-eye lens is?

2018-08-02 14:25:38 UTC

And the horizon is in the wrong place for a sphere - curve or no.

2018-08-02 14:35:48 UTC

I do know yes. And it is explained in the video too. Also the horison is where it should be. I see the horizon just like it looks on the camera footage. The "horizon" which now at high altitude includes all the atmospheric zones too, starts to curve when the hight is enough and more of the earth comes into view. But the only way to see the entire earth is to leave the atmosphere entirely and either enter into orbit aroind the planet or keep going away into deep space.

2018-08-02 14:35:58 UTC

This is how much curvature I'm looking for. Scientifically verified with experiments.

2018-08-02 14:38:14 UTC

@Sidius So far you have posted only fish-eye lens videos, made assumptions and stated your opinion, my good sir.

2018-08-02 14:44:00 UTC

The Earth is round Mr Deejay, and unfortunately pathological conspiracism can be proven

2018-08-02 14:55:35 UTC

Not made assumptions😂 showed you my evidences and told you why yours is wrong. However you have not given me even as much as a photograph of the "outer wall" you believe is there. Nor have you proven eclipses on FE. What is with the low fps on the video that looks like an animation and please disprove gravity for me. Show me that on earth, newtons gravity laws do not hold. I have all my proofs and they are measurable. I just need measurements from your side otherwise I am really sorry but I am going to have to live on my round earth where satellites allow internet and gps to exist, where our planet is protected from the deadly rays from the sun which are deflected by our magnetic field generated by the molten iron core. And lastly please build that wire system that allegedly boosts crop production and do a proper experiment or find one that has been properly recorded by trustworthy groups. Then we can laugh together over a braai about the "mud flood" of 300 years ago 🤣.

2018-08-02 15:13:09 UTC

there's a wall at the end of the earth?

2018-08-02 15:13:16 UTC

did trump build it?

2018-08-02 15:13:38 UTC

sorry i'm not up to date with the flat stuff..

2018-08-02 15:22:22 UTC

Not made assumptions😂 showed you my evidences

1. The go-pro videos only prove you know nothing about photography, perspective or how the human eye works.

and told you why yours is wrong. However you have not given me even as much as a photograph of the "outer wall" you believe is there.

2. I posted the pictures of the ice wall and you just ignored them.

Nor have you proven eclipses on FE.

3. I don't have too, since you still can't prove the alleged axial rotation of the earth. Or any of your other claims.

What is with the low fps on the video that looks like an animation

4. How is this relevant and what does it prove?

and please disprove gravity for me. Show me that on earth, newtons gravity laws do not hold.

5.Gravity has never been proven in the first place, therefore cannot be dis-proven. Also you can't prove a negative.

I have all my proofs and they are measurable.

6. Then please submit them for scrutiny my good sir.

I just need measurements from your side otherwise

7. See the chart I posted earlier.

I am really sorry but I am going to have to live on my round earth where satellites allow internet and gps to exist, where our planet is protected from the deadly rays from the sun which are deflected by our magnetic field generated by the molten iron core.

8. Iron loses it magnetic properties when you heat it up, and that is what the THEORY of gravity needs to work.Oops.

And lastly please build that wire system that allegedly boosts crop production and do a proper experiment

9. Here's your experiment Sir. (

or find one that has been properly recorded by trustworthy groups.

Then we can laugh together over a braai about the "mud flood" of 300 years ago 🤣.

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2018-08-02 15:25:26 UTC

@rob Electric universe FTW.

2018-08-02 15:25:28 UTC

but seriously deejay, what do you think about the idea that flat earth and heliocentric ball earth being different projections of the same underlying higher dimensional reality?

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2018-08-02 15:36:57 UTC

@rob We are born into this material world. The material word is the world of duality - the world of opposites.... up/down, right/wrong etc. There is an opposite to everything here. (The opposite of materialism is Spirituality, in other words the world of unity. My point being that when the original lie was created, they made the lie so big that you can't not believe it by convincing the world that the exact opposite is true of what you can see with your own eyes. Ultimately you cannot "skin" a globe model and make a flat map out of it. . You can however wrap a flat piece of paper around a ball to a degree - with distortions, This proves that the flat earth came before the ball. Everything is flipped around and upside-down.

2018-08-02 15:39:47 UTC

from the rabbit hole, the russian kid hypothesised that before the gods/fallen angels came here to mine there was no night and day, and they used the mined silicon to enclose our true sun and gave us a false duality

2018-08-02 15:40:28 UTC

@rob As for the nature of reality... I am 100% convinced it's some variation of electric universe - but with a deeper underlying fractal nature. Just my opinion.

2018-08-02 15:41:01 UTC

@rob Yeah I know he's into some cool shit. Really fringe but super fascinating.

2018-08-02 15:41:05 UTC

here's a theory, newton and the other royal society initiates were wizards who used mathematics to trap the minds of people with an alternative history

2018-08-02 15:41:30 UTC

I'm on board with a lot of his stuff without being an expert on it.

2018-08-02 15:43:36 UTC

my thought is the ball earth model was created by extremely cunning people and it is probably a fully workable mathematical model

2018-08-02 15:45:38 UTC

@rob The deception itself is a masterpiece on its. own. The ball model however is a complete turd and does not work at all. People think it works because they couldn't be bothered to prove all things, like I did.

2018-08-02 15:46:18 UTC

you seem quite anti Q but there is quite a bit of tie-in. Q has QAnon tracking high profile murders in health sciences and free energy

2018-08-02 15:46:44 UTC

the issue is artillery

2018-08-02 15:46:51 UTC

they use newtons equations to win wars

2018-08-02 15:47:19 UTC

are the gravity equations a different mathematical projection of density?

2018-08-02 15:49:59 UTC

I followed the conspiracy sites for the last 10 years or so, and I realized a few months ago that I am personally satisfied after ten years of research that Geo-politics is complete bullshit. So I don't follow any of it any more. As for Q, it's just the new face of wikileaks. False hope for the masses.

2018-08-02 15:54:15 UTC

we'll see, next 6 months

2018-08-02 15:59:37 UTC

@rob The crazy Russian bra seems to suggest that underlying reality is fractal. I agree but I can't really back that up with anything for the moment. Interesting nonetheless. I encourage you to watch the whole thing, it's awesome. It's like trying to comprehend infinity.

2018-08-02 16:05:27 UTC

wil take a look

2018-08-02 17:19:29 UTC

I will vouch for that one-thousand times over. I'm averaging three days a week.

2018-08-02 17:22:32 UTC

Incidentally, fasting is where the path to God starts.

2018-08-02 17:36:13 UTC

@Malcolm the Seceder I would recommend this YouTube channel for conspiracy related stuff. The guy is a bit fiery, but nothing wrong with that.

2018-08-02 17:36:49 UTC

@TruthCanary Are you tying to lead me astray??! 😢

2018-08-02 17:37:03 UTC

Far from it 😃

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2018-08-02 17:43:22 UTC

Pro-tip: If you want to fast to lose weight and get healthy - go mainstream fasting. If you want to fast in order to find God and get answers to your questions, start fasting on a weekly schedule and start getting rid of your shit. This giving away your crap is entirely physiological as well as non-denominational. You have to let go of the material world if you want to attain the spiritual Kingdom of God. (This is why you feel so good after spring-cleaning your house or garage).~Namaste. 🙏

2018-08-02 17:57:31 UTC

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2018-08-02 18:51:11 UTC

officer obviously is a flatty :P

2018-08-02 18:52:48 UTC

1The go-pro videos only prove you know nothing about photography, perspective or how the human eye works.
Ok I admit the lenses could have an effect of the image, but how do you then explain the countless videos of footage from space launches that actually go all the way to orbit around the world and they show the world as a spherical object?
2. I posted the pictures of the ice wall and you just ignored them.
The pictures you posted are pictures of the ice SHELVES. I know those exist, but not a WALL. The term wall implies there is something on the other side when you scale it and get to the top. Or in your case there is nothing on the other side or maybe some glass dome that acts as a barrier of sorts? Antarctica is a continent.

2018-08-02 18:53:09 UTC

3. I don't have too, since you still can't prove the alleged axial rotation of the earth. Or any of your other claims.
Here is a very simple video with not much mathematics so you can understand the concept completely of the tilt of the earth’s rotation:
This is also the cause of the sun being on different areas above or below the Ecliptic depending on the season and time of day (the area where all the milky way stars, our sun and planets are orbiting).

2018-08-02 18:53:29 UTC

4. How is this relevant and what does it prove?
It is of course very relevant, when an animated video is animated it is made by putting multiple frames together from a 3D sculpted world. It is like taking multiple pictures one after the other and packing them one after the other as time goes on. The faster the camera (or rendering software in your case I think) can take pictures, the faster the fps count (sorry if you already knew this). I just ask that you give me a video that was shot by a real person like I gave you a video of someone who literally took a camera and it recorded till it fell back to earth (it was in a protective casing if you look at the video again). Or better yet, show me a video (with humans in it at the start) of a camera hitting and visually showing the “dome” above the flat surface.

One of the best documented methods for determining the Earth’s roundness was first performed (to my knowledge) by the ancient Greeks. This was achieved by comparing the shadows of sticks in different locations. When the sun was directly overhead in one place, the stick there cast no shadow. At the same time in a city around 500 miles north, the stick there did cast a shadow.

2018-08-02 18:53:40 UTC

5.Gravity has never been proven in the first place, therefore cannot be dis-proven. Also you can't prove a negative.
Gravity is measurable:

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2018-08-02 18:55:24 UTC

Newton's law is empirical, we use it because it works when doing calculations involving gravity. If it did not work it would not be used, what more proof do you want? Einstein formulated the laws of relativity
In 1905, Albert Einstein determined that the laws of physics are the same for all non-accelerating observers, and that the speed of light in a vacuum was independent of the motion of all observers. This was the theory of special relativity. It introduced a new framework for all of physics and proposed new concepts of space and time.
Einstein then spent 10 years trying to include acceleration in the theory and published his theory of general relativity in 1915. In it, he determined that massive objects cause a distortion in space-time, which is felt as gravity.

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2018-08-02 18:56:07 UTC

6. Then please submit them for scrutiny my good sir.
This is a video of a guy taking a telescope and DSLR camera and proving by experiment the curvature of the earth exists. He shows all his workings and all his measurements as well as all his equipment used. He adds a nice explanation of perspective and why most online calculators get it wrong when calculating curvature. They usually do not include humidity, refraction of light or position and exact shape of the earth. In your above table you posted values of curvature of a globe which was generated by CAD (Computer Aided Design). I believe I would get close to those values if I run the actual experiments, but I do not have the money or other resources to do so. (hence the video of the guy who did it).

2018-08-02 18:56:14 UTC

This video explains in nice, easy illustrations how the earth is tilted and why that fact is why we have seasons. It is also the reason for the sun appearing either below or above the Ecliptic (the line above us on the celestial sphere found if you project the orbit of the sun outwards) depending on the season, date, time and viewers location on the earth.

2018-08-02 18:56:21 UTC

This is an experiment proving the gravitational acceleration constant and thus that gravity is quantifiable and therefore exists. A grade 10 learner could do this physics in grade 8 with the equations of motion (I am a tutor in physics and mathematics in spare time).

2018-08-02 18:56:34 UTC

Footage of the Antarctic ice shelf:
These are a start at least.

2018-08-02 18:57:16 UTC

7. See the chart I posted earlier.
See my comment about CAD and how they influence calculation by using near perfect spheres on models.

8. Iron loses it magnetic properties when you heat it up, and that is what the THEORY of gravity needs to work.Oops.
The outside layer is liquid this is true, but the inner third of the core is solid because of the pressure difference. There is a slight variance in the field strength because the solid part shifts, this is why there are sometimes weak points in the magnetic field that can cause interference on earthside communication devices and electrical transfer mediums. Solar flares can also physically rip through our magnetic field and damage electronics in a large area and even cause large scale blackouts (this has happened in the past).

2018-08-02 18:57:31 UTC

Thus it does produce a magnetic field which protects us from the harmful frequencies of charged particles. Some of these particles however do enter through the north and south poles where the magnetic fields act as funnels. This is what causes the Auroras (Borealis for northern lights and Australis for southern lights) this can be found on any astronomy source and I know this because I did a course in basic astronomy before deciding to study the stars and find the answers I have been seeking since I can remember having a critical thought.

2018-08-02 18:57:43 UTC

9. Here's your experiment Sir. (
In this experiment he is trying to show how apparent drift will not happen in a directional gyro when it is standing stationary. I agree completely with this statement seeing as drift only occurs when the gyro is moving away or towards the equator. This effect is compensated for by the technology of GPS and micro controller chips which help laser guided gyroscopes be as accurate as possible. This is why planes tend to crash less and pilots know where to fly with no visual aid, seeing as all the technology on planes and jets do most of the looking for the pilot and just translates the data into information the pilot can use to make informed decisions. Here is another video explaining the concept:

2018-08-02 18:58:00 UTC

Also look at his reference points from start to finish in his car when using the directional gyro in his car for the driving part. They change during the drive, thus the reading cannot be taken as accurate because we cannot be sure that his car and the gyro is oriented in the exact same direction in which he started his drive.

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Now I ask again. Disprove the gravity law of newton and the relativity law of Einstein, show me a picture of the Antarctic wall and possibly what lays beyond, or what do you think lays beyond? Show me where your multiple luminaries come from (the one is from an Indian myth remember), what they look like and which laws govern their movement so that eclipses can be predicted as they are being predicted by the physics and astronomy you so whole heartedly try to discredit. My mathematics and science is solid, the laws work and I have not seen anything that shows or experimentally (accurately) tells me otherwise. I mean gravitational waves were recently detected after studying black holes, they were predicted by Einstein and Hawking’s works.

2018-08-02 18:59:52 UTC

Im going to have some load shedding now XD lieflike Suid Afrika.😛

2018-08-02 19:02:27 UTC

DeeJay met his match? lol

2018-08-02 19:10:52 UTC

@Sidius Everything you said is irrelevant twaddle until you can prove the axial rotation of the earth, the curvature as per the chart, and Gravity. Feel free to post every single video you can find on YouTube that triggers your confirmation bias. I want experiments, not your opinion.

2018-08-02 19:13:38 UTC

@Sidius Also it is impossible to disprove Flat Earth because mathematically it is impossible to prove a negative. You need to show the evidence FOR your model.

2018-08-02 19:15:40 UTC

@Sidius At best you'll come up with ten or so, and each and every single one of them is debunked in this video.

2018-08-02 19:15:59 UTC

BA mathematical proofs

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2018-08-02 19:17:03 UTC

Beautiful maths

2018-08-02 19:17:25 UTC

31.7 MILES of curvature drop-off over a short hop of 500 miles is how much curvature there is supposed to be.

2018-08-02 19:17:26 UTC

But tbh sick of trig rn. Deriving the inverse trig functions is kanker

2018-08-02 19:17:59 UTC

I don't care for maths. Who's going to argue with AutoCAD? 😉

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2018-08-02 19:18:35 UTC

And yet they do lol

2018-08-02 19:18:38 UTC

schooled the flatters

2018-08-02 19:18:54 UTC

Say what?

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2018-08-02 19:19:07 UTC

Just typing random shit right lol

2018-08-02 19:19:23 UTC

ah yes ok lol

2018-08-02 19:22:16 UTC

Eric Dubay released the first ever Flat Earth childrens book. Full Audiobook available for free here.

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2018-08-03 02:38:56 UTC

There is no verifiable rocket/shuttle launch that shows the view from the rocket that points into space. They always point down to the ground. Also there exists no uninterrupted nose-cam footage from launch to magically popping through an invisible barrier and docking at the ISS.

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Other than than, Eratosthenes's original work doesn't exist and is nothing but hearsay. On top of that, the experiment is bunk because they assumed the sun was large and far away - where as if you assume the sun is small and close, you get the same result. Moot point really. -----------------------------------------------------------------

2018-08-03 02:48:17 UTC

PROOF of gravity? What happens if you flip this table over?

2018-08-03 02:53:13 UTC

The reason the establishment claim the earth is tilted is to try and explain away the scientifically verifyable fact that Polaris, the north star, has been seen from as as far south as 23.4 degrees - which is literally impossible on a ball.

2018-08-03 02:55:26 UTC

Regardless of tilt or inclination, the ball model can not demonstrate seasons. It doesn't work.

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2018-08-03 03:00:28 UTC

Please show me your experiment where you heat Iron to five-thousand degrees and make it spin at one thousand six hundred kilometers per hour. Then prove that it is still magnetic by showing how your glowing spinning iron ball attracts a dead rat from across the room.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2018-08-03 03:23:29 UTC

None of the "Laws" you refer to has actually been proven, it's all philosophical assumption-laden garbage and bears no relation to reality whatsoever. On top of that, none of Einstein's theories have ever been proven and he made no discoveries at all. The only thing he invented is some type of refrigeration unit.

2018-08-03 03:28:51 UTC

And congratulations to this poepol for proving that the pencil is denser than the air surrounding it. 😂

2018-08-03 05:19:59 UTC

Ai nee wat... lyk my nie jy wil praat nie. Ek sal weer met jou praat as jy met iets konkreet na my toe kom soos ek na jou toe gekom het. Jou CAD tabel neem aan dis n soliede amper perfekte sfeer. En daai curvature sal dan gesien word. Maar die globe is nie perfek nie. Nie naastenby nie. En ek sal nooit daai curvature values van jou kan kry nie want jy neem nie my feite in ag vir jou tabel nie. Ook is daar steeds nie n muur nie. En jy kan steeds nie vir my wys dat 9.8 nie die gravitasie versnellings konstante is wat gravitasie kwantiseer nie. Gaan nie my kop try breek op die nie want daar is tog belangriker dinge waaroor ons kan praat?

2018-08-03 06:20:42 UTC

Ai nee wat... lyk my nie jy wil praat nie.
Ek praat maar jy verstaan nie, ek kan nie met dit help nie ongelukkig.

Ek sal weer met jou praat as jy met iets konkreet na my toe kom soos ek na jou toe gekom het.
Soos wat? Een duisend youtube videos? Al wat jy hoef te doen om Rob se Gyro eksperiment te debunk is om die experiment te herhaal volgens die algemeen aanvaarde wetenskaplike metode en dan die teenoorgestelde resultaat te kry. Jy kan 'n DIRECTIONAL heading indicator koop op eBay.

Jou CAD tabel neem aan dis n soliede amper perfekte sfeer.
My CAD tabel neem niks aan nie, jy is die een wat aanneem dis 'n peer. Laat ek jou verduidelik hoekom voordat jy weer die hele youtube upload. Elke liewe "foto" wat NASA nog van die aarde geneem wys "fotografiese" bewys dat dit 'n ronde bal is (nasa of - gaan kyky maar). Ook, dit moet 'n perfekte ronde bal wees want 'n odd-shape het nie vaste middelpunt waarom hy kan draai nie - hy gaan wobble. En tot jy actually die wobble kan bewys met wetenskap staan die aarde stil.

2018-08-03 06:21:37 UTC

En daai curvature sal dan gesien word. Maar die globe is nie perfek nie. Nie naastenby nie. En ek sal nooit daai curvature values van jou kan kry nie want jy neem nie my feite in ag vir jou tabel nie.
"Sal dan gesien kan word" is net spekulasie en is geensins wetenskaplik nie. Jy het geen feite genoem wat enigsins die moeite werd is om in ag te neem nie. Al wat jy voorsien het is jou persoonlike opinie wat niks bewys nie.

Ook is daar steeds nie n muur nie.
Ook is daar geen bewys van jou model nie, terwyl ek jou meer as twee honderd van my model gegee het.

En jy kan steeds nie vir my wys dat 9.8 nie die gravitasie versnellings konstante is wat gravitasie kwantiseer nie.
Gravitasie is 'n fantasie en jy kan dit nie eers bewys nie. Nie eers met jou eie wetenskaplike metode nie. Die enigste plek waar Gravitasie en Relatiwiteit bestaan is in jou verbeelding.

Gaan nie my kop try breek op die nie want daar is tog belangriker dinge waaroor ons kan praat?
Ja ons kan gesels oor hoekom glo jy die teenoorgestelde van wat jy met wetenskap , jou eie sintuie, winskunde, ervaring, Logika en common sense kan bewys?

2018-08-03 06:26:39 UTC

Want ek bewys juis wat ek glo met my sintuie, wiskunde, ervaring, logika en common sense😂

2018-08-03 06:28:54 UTC

Reg so. 👍🏽

2018-08-03 07:05:48 UTC

The human mind processes information and stores data for the most part, apart from taking care of the bodily and motor-neuron functions etc. The human brain has a limited capacity - the more book knowledge you store in your brain the less CPU power you have for logical reasoning and deduction. I believe someone in the past also figured this out - this is why they burned books in the old days. When you think about it - how much of the book knowledge you learned in school do you use on a daily basis? Also all information that is written down had to come out of someones head right? So you can do it again and figure it for yourself without needing someones opinion. We are all born creative geniuses, this is why the school indoctrination process starts so early in life. Repetition is the most basic form of mind control - and I don't need four degrees in Psychology to tell you that. Memorizing and repeating information just burns it into your head in an unnatural manner, that's why the belief is so hard to even reconsider - because it was forced into your mind wholly unnaturally - you never put those thoughts in there. They fill your minds with shit in order to limit your reasoning capacity and prepare you for an amazing materialist life where you pay taxes, get sick, die young and ask no questions (because you already know everything at eighteen years old haha) . I will promise you this... it is not your fault. This is our home we are talking about, and I wish I had the vocabulary to explain to you how impossibly amazing the Earth is , and how utterly magical a human being not only can be, but was always intended to be. Wake up sleepers, and start remembering who you are.

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@Deejay from Earth going back to what you said about the brain having a limited capacity. That is true to an extent but book knowledge does not effect your logical reasoning or deduction skills. Let's a computer for example, a saved word document that is closed and not in use will not effect the overall CPU usage. Same is the same with humans, the only time the human brain accesses the "book knowledge" is when it is actively searching for it. If anything having book knowledge as a background information would enhance logical thinking and deduction, not only this but expand the capacity at which your brain is able to handle. Please remember that the brains capacity is only threatened by extreme stress or an overload of information simultaneously (or over a short period of time. Example: cramming for exams)

2018-08-03 13:26:25 UTC

@Cuddly_Dragon This is just my personal view, try and picture it as follows. Imagine the inside of your mind as a huge empty warehouse. Now place yourself inside the warehouse. You have the freedom to move around and do whatever you like. You can create anything in there. Every time your outside persona reads a book, a copy of this book appears inside the warehouse. You can manifest anything you imagine into this warehouse to visualize or to ponder or to do whatever you like with. All your thoughts and prayers and emotions also goes into a box or onto a shelf in the warehouse.. Everything you have ever seen heard or studied goes into the warehouse. Every single photograph you have ever taken. Every book, movie and tv series you have ever read or seen, word for word. Not only that, your mind keeps track of every single cent you have, every single possession you have is also stored, as well as how much you desire those possessions. For clarification, this all is entirely physiological and in no way religious. At some point the you inside the warehouse starts running out of leg-room, and can't move around so freely any more because of all the clutter. The mind slows down as people get older, not too many people will argue against that I think. This is why the Yogis and Buddhas are always on about "emptying the mind". Just my 2c.

2018-08-03 13:32:46 UTC

ADDED: When the warehouse starts getting full, people stop asking questions - because they now believe they know everything that they needed to know. They have all the information already.

2018-08-03 13:36:54 UTC

@Deejay from Earth okay I understand what you're saying... But let's it it from this point. The brain has been proven to be more powerful than a computer. So to use your analogy... Let's upgrade your warehouse and add a machine that helps you store these items in order of importance and/preference. Slowly as you add more items to this warehouse the machine will decide according to you what it can discard (example your 7th grade geography teacher as apposed to remembering your 1st grade teacher) this way it organises your items. Some items it will link and add together, thus adding to knowledge you have already added. In this way the machine it perfect. Information overload is when the machine is given too many commands and not enough time to complete them all.

The warehouse is never full, it merely becomes too vast to journey through the entirety of it. Soon you need a map but as time goes on the map fades and sections are lost.
Just my view ... Though I really enjoyed your warehouse analogy

2018-08-03 14:40:37 UTC

@Cuddly_Dragon And thank you for your insights. My problem here is just that if we have all the knowledge in the world, in the most technological society of all time, why is the world such a degenerate war-mongering shit-hole full of rich "Presidents" and Governments, when the people are sick , dying, in debt and too poor to generally give a damn about anything. (Your reasoning is awesome, I just couldn't relate it to what I see in the real world.)

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This is the only non-fiction book I've read cover to cover since forever. That was a few months ago and I'm always going back for more. Lucky for me it's not a thick book. For now, you can replace the word "Tao" in the book with "Spirit". That will help with the understanding. It's not perfectly applicable everywhere but it will go a long way. There are over two hundred translations of this magnificent work, and this is the only one of those I've read. Somehow, for no reason at all, this book just resonates very strongly with me. Recommended a thousand times over. The Tao Te Ching
a modern interpretation of Lao Tzu
perpetrated by Ron Hogan

2018-08-03 16:40:07 UTC

(Topic - The Mudflood of the 19th century) Cool video, also check out how awesome Moscow is.

2018-08-03 16:42:42 UTC

Is that book available in audio form? Btw I also wonder about that question of why the world is so bad if we have such a great amount of knowledge...

2018-08-03 22:03:07 UTC

@Deejay from Earth dankie man.

2018-08-04 00:02:32 UTC

@Sidius 👍🏽

2018-08-04 05:36:43 UTC

Palace Of Justice In Pretoria

2018-08-04 05:39:39 UTC

Parliament building Cape town.

2018-08-04 06:18:11 UTC

And just on a side-note... I'd like to present you with the best Flat Earth proof of them all....

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☝ 🤔

2018-08-04 22:43:52 UTC

They offer no proof of their claim whatsoever. Could be that Putin sent a missile their way and they're covering up? Who knows.

2018-08-05 14:48:16 UTC

Is this a bunch of non math degree people talking about lack of gravity and flat earth.

2018-08-05 14:48:29 UTC

Aai the shit people say.

2018-08-05 18:00:59 UTC

@deavmi only one it seems, far as I have seen... snaakse debat tho.

2018-08-05 18:33:12 UTC

snaaks bru

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@Deejay from Earth yes ou. Het jy al na Australia toe gevlieg one way vir n vakansie of iets?

2018-08-06 04:45:35 UTC

Yep New Zealand, Peru.

2018-08-06 04:46:27 UTC

USA x 2

2018-08-06 04:47:54 UTC

Ek vlieg ook Radio Control fixed-wing, Heli's en Drones, so ek is bekend met die basics van aviation.

2018-08-06 04:49:48 UTC

Ek wil nog USA toe... damn daar is paar epic plekke daar. Ekt op n stadium n vid gesien van n ou wat n RC plane met n turbine engine gebou het en daai ding was mal vinnig.

2018-08-06 04:51:51 UTC

Ja die turbines is cool. Jy kan nie glo so klein turbine maak 65k RPM nie.

2018-08-06 04:55:09 UTC

Dis insane!

2018-08-06 04:55:27 UTC

Yes daai is die een

2018-08-06 04:56:25 UTC

..En hy maak die eers helfte van die spoed van die rotasie van die aarde nie.

2018-08-06 04:58:28 UTC

"An object at rest stays at rest, and an object in motion stays in motion with the same force and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force"

2018-08-06 04:59:07 UTC

Dis hoekom viegtuie nie kan opstyg of land op runways wat teen Mach 1.3 beweeg nie.

2018-08-06 05:00:01 UTC

Maar relatief tot die aarde beweeg die vliegtuie nie mach 1.3 nie. Dit is hoekom hle kan opstuig

2018-08-06 05:01:25 UTC

Relatiwiteit is nog nooit bewys nie en is net teorie - en daar is geen verskil tussen dit en verbeelding nie.

2018-08-06 05:02:36 UTC

Relatief is maklik bewysbaar. Ry net opi snelweg. As 2 karre in die selfde rigting ry. 1 teen 130kph en een teen 110 kph. Dan relatief tot kar 2 ry kar 1 20kph.

2018-08-06 05:06:29 UTC

Dis amazing want Einstein kon dit nie eers bewys nie.

2018-08-06 05:09:19 UTC

Hy het want dis hoe ek weet. Ekt dit in eerste jaar fisika geleer al tho.

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@Sidius Julle kort absolute bewys van 1: Gravitasie (met 'n eksperiment) 2: Kurwe soos NASA dimensies (met 'n eksperiment) 3. Rotasie (met 'n experiment)

2018-08-06 05:20:11 UTC

Ons kan nog 'n ander thought experiment ook doen. Kom ons maak so... ek submit as bewys dat die aarde nie beweeg nie , net een bewys. Ek voel nie ek beweeg nie. En ek weet my sintuie werk want ek kan beweging voel as ek loop, kar ry, vlieg ens. Hoe counter jy daai argument?

2018-08-06 05:36:06 UTC

Want relatief tot die aarde beweeg jy nie as jy stil staan nie en dus sal jy natuurlik nie voel dat jy beweeg nie. Dit is soos om op n maglev trein te ry teen about 700kph. Wanneer hy accellerate voel jy beweeging. Maar wanneer hy teen konstante spoed travel voel jy asof jy stil staan al beweeg die trein relatief tot die aarde. En ook onthou die aarde is abour 4.5 biljoen jaar oud so die atmosfeer het al baie tyd gehad om op te vang met die rotasie spoed van die aarde. Dit is ook hoekom ons nie vermorsel word deur 1000 kph winde nie want die atmosfeer beweeg nasenby teen die selfde rotasie spoed as die aarde... ekt vju n video vroer gestuur waar die gravitasie konstante op aarde in lug bewys word en dus gravitasie ook. Ook een waar n ou op 2 locations die curvature deur n baie sterk teleskoop wys. So al die eksperimente is klaar in die chat vir jou.

2018-08-06 05:40:35 UTC

1. Hoe gaan die Maglev train se storie einding wanneer die trein self 700kph beweeg, en die rail onder die trein beweeg in die teenoorgestelrigting teen 1600kph?

2018-08-06 05:43:12 UTC

Alles wat jy hier sê is gebasseer om die assumption dat die aarde beweeg - sonder enige bewys. En ek wil graag weet HOE beweeg die atmosfeer saam met die rotasie van die aarde - want as die atmosfeer draai teen mach 1.3 saam met aarde, wil ek graag sien hoe vlieg 'n Cessna 172 in 'n Mach 1.3 head-wind in.

2018-08-06 06:11:29 UTC

Die rail onder sal nooit relatief tot die trein beweeg nie. Want relatief tot die aarde sal hy nooit beweeg nie dis hoekom die trein in enige rigting kan beweeg sonder n fuss. Die atmosfeer beweeg saam die aarde omdat hulle 'gravity locked' is. Ek sal n paper hier post wat dit ook verduidelik. Die maan is ook gravity locked aan die aarde by the way en dis hoekom ons altyd net 1 kant van die maan sien. En vliegtuie kry dus nie die mach 1.3 winde nie juis omdat hulle beweeg deur die atmosfees wat relatief stadig beweeg teenoor die aarde omdat die aarde gravitasie al uitoefen daarop vir die laaste paar biljoen jaar.

2018-08-06 06:13:05 UTC

So sê hulle ja. Ek stuur vir jou 'n bietjie copypasta.

2018-08-06 06:13:54 UTC

Four conclusive experiments performed by the top scientists of their day proved that the Sun, Moon and stars revolve around us, and that Earth is the fixed, motionless centre of the universe.

The Michelson-Morley, Michelson-Gale, Airy's Failure and Sagnac experiments scientifically proved Geocentrism and nearly crushed the dying Heliocentric theory until Mr. Einstein came through with his Special Relativity mathematical denial of the proven Aether and philosophically (not scientifically) banished the Aether from study ever since.

These studies and peer reviewed experiments are never covered in any university courses. These conclusive peer-reviewed and repeated scientific results are nowhere debated or denied, merely suppressed and ignored. The fact of the matter is that Geocentrism has been conclusively proven for over a century.

In 1913 Sagnac conducted an experiment to test the speed and constancy of light and proved the existence of the Aether (Disproves relativity) Therefore, The Michelson-Morley experiment, conducted using an interferometer clearly demonstrated that the Earth was motionless. The Michelson-Gale experiment detected the Aether/Firmament passing over the surface of the motionless Earth. Airy's Failure, demonstrated that it is the stars moving relative to a stationary Earth, and not the fast orbiting Earth moving relative to comparatively stationary stars.

2018-08-06 09:45:55 UTC

Mud-flood - buried first floor. This is what you're looking for when investigating the Mud-flood. This phenomenon can be found in almost every single 19th century city/town in the world. Use Google maps. Go have a look and see if I'm lying. From South-America, to North America, Europe, Asia, Africa. It's everywhere, and it is entirely undocumented. Go check out Church square on google maps and see if you can find some evidence.

2018-08-06 10:00:59 UTC

Can I just say that the Mud-Flood of the 19th Century is very new on the reality radar. It goes hand-in-hand with the Great Tartaria / Atlantis lost civilization. These people were highly developed technologically, they had free energy and other tech we can only dream of today.

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...because I would love to know how anyone carved that out of marble with a hammer and chisel ?

2018-08-06 10:15:07 UTC

And now you know why William Shakespeare is such a mystery.

2018-08-06 14:17:18 UTC

@Rendier well daai is n pretty stupid move van itunes gewees...

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DTIC ADA257911: Monopole Elements with Disk Ground Planes on Flat Earth: Atlas of Directivity, Radiation Efficiency, Radiation Resistance, and Input Impedance
by Defense Technical Information Center

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@Deejay from Earth as n vlieg in jou kar teen die windscreen sit en jy ry 120kmph, hoe vinnig vlieg hy?

2018-08-07 17:53:16 UTC

Binnekant of buitekant?

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2018-08-07 17:55:36 UTC

Buitekant waai hy af. Binnekant, selfde spoed as die kar. Wat gebeur as jy die kar se windscreens uithaal?

2018-08-07 17:56:37 UTC

Dan waai hy weg. Maar as die vlieg in die kar is en hy sit still dan vlieg hy mos nie?

2018-08-07 17:58:29 UTC

dalk moet ek dit beter vra.. As die kar met die vlieg verby jou kom dan is hy die spoed van die kar,ne? Maar as jy in die kar sit en na hom kyk dan sit hy stil, ne?

2018-08-07 17:59:03 UTC

Korrek. Jou probleem kom wanneer jou vlieg opstyg. An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays is motion with the same force and in the same direction unless acted upon by an un-balanced force.

2018-08-07 18:00:22 UTC

Want runways op lughawens is in elke liewe wind-rigting - nie net saam die spin van die aarde nie.

2018-08-07 18:01:31 UTC

Maybe this is finally DeeJays match? let's see, I am grabbing some popcorn for this

2018-08-07 18:03:47 UTC

wag ek moet eers jou lughawe storie gaan lees. gee my n oomblik

2018-08-07 18:04:25 UTC

@MR VLAK DeeJay sal jou op hook met sy eie sources laat jy beter verstaan waar hy vandaan kom

2018-08-07 18:04:57 UTC

Hy is goed om sources te gee lol

2018-08-07 18:06:24 UTC

Okay okay so @Deejay from Earth jy se dat die aarde nie rotate nie want n vleigtuig kan nie in n mach 1.3 head wind op stuig nie. Se my gou.. daai vleig in jou kar wat teen 120kmph ry, kan die vlieg op stuig (ja die vensters is toe)

2018-08-07 18:10:27 UTC

Nee ek het dit nie gesê nie. Strawman. Ek sê die aarde draai nie want dis wat ek moet my eie sintuie kan bewys. Ek voel of experience geensins enige beweging nie en dit is genoeg bewys.

2018-08-07 18:13:57 UTC

@Deejay from Earth okay jammer as ek miss verstaan het. Maar die voorbeeld van die vlieg bly. Voel die vlieg met sy sintuie dat hy 120kmph beweeg in n toe kar? Nou dink die vlieg was daar van n maggot op n vrot mango in die rear en hy het nog nooit iets anders beleef nie (soos jy op die aarde) hoe sal hy dit experiance?

2018-08-07 18:16:00 UTC

Ek het company chat nou nou

2018-08-07 18:19:12 UTC

dit is reg. gesels later

2018-08-07 18:36:53 UTC

@MR VLAK Sorry ek is terug.

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2018-08-07 18:38:32 UTC

@MR VLAK So ek glo die aarde staan stil want ek kan nie die beweging voel nie. Hoekom glo jy die aarde draai?

2018-08-07 18:43:33 UTC

Wel sien ek het gehoop jy beantwoord my scenario eers. Dit sou dit makliker gemaak het om na dit jou te verduidelik wat ek glo, daarin le die beginsel van wat ek glo. Maar jy moet dalk nie aanneem wat ek glo nie 😜

2018-08-07 18:45:48 UTC

Die ding is, ons kan teorie vir mekaar gooi die hele aand lank, maar ultimately gaan die debat oor drie dinge. Die spin van die aarde, die kurwe van die aarde, en Gravitasie. Ultimately moet jy al drie daai bewys, en ek moet bewys hy is plat, staan stil, en ek moet density bewys.

2018-08-07 18:47:48 UTC

@MR VLAK Voor ons begin, mag ek solank 'n vraag vra?

2018-08-07 18:48:56 UTC

ja go for it? ek kom nou terug

2018-08-07 18:50:16 UTC

@MR VLAK Cool thanks. Wil net hoor hoe, waar en wanneer die spoed van die rotasie van die aarde om sy eie as vir die eerste keer gemeet is, en ook watse toerusting hulle gebruik het?

2018-08-07 18:54:17 UTC

@Deejay from Earth Well hoe meet jy dit as jy niks het om teen te meet nie. Soos die kar met die vlieg... die vlieg kan nie meet hoe vinnig hy gaan in die kar as hy nie uit kyk nie en n refrence kry buite die kar nie. Maar as die vlieg net sy spoed meet teen die binnekant van die kar dan staan hy stil.

2018-08-07 18:56:05 UTC

Ek verstaan nie hoe bewys karre en vliëe enige iets nie dude.

2018-08-07 18:56:24 UTC

Ons moet wetenskap doen.

2018-08-07 18:57:04 UTC

Kan ek jou 'n voorbeeld gee?

2018-08-07 18:57:36 UTC

Ek dog ons gesels oor ons sintuie?

2018-08-07 18:58:12 UTC

Ja as ek in 'n kar is weet ek dat ek beweeg.

2018-08-07 19:01:59 UTC

Okay great. jy is in n kar en jy weet jy beweeg want jy kan uit kyk en voel die kar beweeg. As jy in die kar gebore is en teen n konstante spoed beweeg en jy kan nie uit kyk nie. Sal jy glo jy staan still of beweeg? Jy kan aanvaar dat daar n moontlikheid is dat jy wel beweeg al is daar niks fiesiese tekens dat jy wel doen nie?

2018-08-07 19:04:23 UTC

Ek se nie jy beweeg nie, maar daar is n moontlikheid ne?

2018-08-07 19:11:00 UTC

Om die teenoorgestelde te "aanvaar" van wat ek met my sintuie kan voel of sien is onnatuurlik in my opinie. En die probleem is julle kan nie die spin van die aarde kry EN die feit dat daar GEEN meetbare effekte van hierdie rotasie is of ooit nog deur enige iemand gesien, gevoel of gemeet is nie. Daar is geen manier nie in my opinie, asook "an object in motion" ens is meetbaar en bewysbaar. En die ander ding is daar is ekpserimente wat mens kan doen. Gyroscopes en Rigidity in space en so aan. En sorry maar jy het nie nie my vraag ge-antwoord oor hoekom glo jy die aarde draai nie.

2018-08-07 19:22:10 UTC

Kom ons stel dit so, as jy die konsep wat ek jou gegee het kan verstaan sal jy verstaan dat niemand die rotasie sal voel nie. Die ding van n object in motion is nie van toepassing in die scenario van hoe jy die rotasie voel nie.

2018-08-07 19:26:37 UTC

My plan was nooit om in wetenskap in te gaan nie. Ek wou net he jy moet n konsep verstaan en hoe dit van toepassing kan wees aangesien jy sintuie gesels het. As jy nie n moontlikheid kan visualise en question van albie kante af nie sal mens nooit met jou debate oor die onderwerp nie.

2018-08-07 19:35:40 UTC

As die gegewe spoed .00000000000132542 kilometer per uur was kon ek dit dalk oorweeg het dude. Maar Mach 1.3?!? Nope. Not a chance.

2018-08-07 19:40:34 UTC

as jy teen mach 1.3 in n kar ry teen n konstante spoed in n vacuum sal jy fine wees en dit nie regtig voel nie,ne? Maar wat sal gebeur as jy van daai spoed stop?

2018-08-07 19:41:04 UTC

Alles in n vacuum natuurlik.

2018-08-07 19:42:59 UTC

as die aarde stop sal jy dit voel.

2018-08-07 19:44:57 UTC

"As" is nie hoe ons plat aarde doen nie.

2018-08-07 19:45:17 UTC

Soos byvoorbeeld:

2018-08-07 19:46:48 UTC

Ek luister.

2018-08-07 19:48:28 UTC

In ons model, is muh-gravity net Density en Buoyancy. 100% Wetenskaplik toetsbaar volgens die algemeen aanvaarde wetenskaplike metode. Wat sal jy graag wil voorsit as bewys van Gravitasie?

2018-08-07 19:49:49 UTC

hoekoem is dit dan nie onderste bo of in n ander orientasie as daar nie gravitasie is nie?

2018-08-07 19:52:18 UTC

Want die particles is nie dieselfde gewig nie en/of vêrder uitmekaar ge-spasieër. Dis soos the natural order of things.Dis ook hoekom Helium ballonne soos Kryptonite is vir Gravitasie.

2018-08-07 19:57:04 UTC

Ek verstaan die concept mar die feit dat iets wat swaarder is onder is.. w=mg?

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Hoekom moet net ek vrae antwoord?

2018-08-07 20:01:46 UTC

Ek dog dalk sal jy my convince om n flat earther te word

2018-08-07 20:04:26 UTC

O ja. Dis maklik. Kyk die hele video asseblief dis net 4 minute of so, verskoon maar die kak titel.

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