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So 10 miles up gets to see the disc?
Check out the What part of flat video. 21 miles high.
I don't have WiFi right now, but I'll watch it when Telkom decides to get their shit together.
The line of the horizon is the upturned edge he's talking about. Try and draw a side-on view of the earth and the balloon above it. Make the earth as big as you like in relation to the balloon. Then someone must tell me how the camera is seeing the earth that's below it. That camera is supposed to see nothing but space and stars, because the Earth is underneath the basket.
No matter how low or high-up you are, the line of the horizon is always in the same place - in the Kalahari or 121,000 feet up in the air. This is not possible over a ball - only possible on an extended flat plane.
the question though, why?
You can take a flight to Antarctica from Cape Town International. I just heard the ticket price is kak expensive
Because we are slaves. And you don't educate slaves. Smart slaves will rebel against their overlords.
Yeah can't vouch for it, I've never been up there, and if NASA can fake it, then anyone else can fake whatever we see up in space. We won't know 100% until we go there ourselves i suppose, but we can be confident in our reasoning and math.
The entire education system is a fraud. The very idea of an education system for everyone is a fraud. Because it's just a control mechanism.
you can't buy the ticket on travelstart
@TruthCanary true, but that's a predetermined destination... Part of the conspiracy would be that they will show you what they want you to see lol
Antarctica is real, anyone can go and explore some of the touristy areas.
@Sheamus agree, we should be able to use our observed measurements and math to work this out
So the pilots would then have to be part of this conspiracy
@TruthCanary No, like the rest of humanity, they believe the lie.
But they navigate.
No just speculating
I mean, the existence of a place that you can visit doesn't debunk the theory
@TruthCanary They believe what they were taught on how to safely operate the aircraft. They're just gloryfied bus-drivers really.
but that gyroscope shit is dope, the horizon idea is harder because people have been looking at it their entire lives
@TruthCanary well to be honest, I've seen pilots deny the chemtrail conspiracy, guy films the chemicals being released on the plane, then goes to pilot and asks him about chemtrails, pilot knows nothing, and the dash had a chem switch that was in the on state... So there's that bit which makes me doubt, and then you have pilots conflicting their reports on UFOs.. I've come to learn not to trust people at face value.
gyroscope is just basic enough and old enough but not common experience enough
Yeah but it's a bit naive to think that all pilots are in on such a conspiracy
@TruthCanary agreed to some extent.. Thing is i don't take sides until i personally know for sure. Even if my reasoning can lead me to being 99% sure, still i withold judgement until i have every detail i need to cast righteous judgement, otherwise my prejudices will influence my judgement, and i end up deceiving myself. I'm open minded though.
but why ? for money? doesn't make sense, they already have boatloads of money, that's why I like the lawofone take, basically the baal worshipers are luciferians that are another evolved group mind that have come here to help our spiritual evolution by giving us a choice to use our free will against their evil, the higher levels know this, the lower levels are evil/brainwashed/are on the path to negative polarizing spiritual evolution...
Night time balloon footage and some proper back-yard science. Watch this video if you want to know why the sky is blue...
@Deejay from Earth why do you try and convince everybody about the earth? This will not make a difference in the normal guy on the street... I can see that it bothers you much more than alot of us.... Why don't you put all this energy into solving the real issues that relates to the normal people?
I am already doing it. Because I know what the real issues actually are.
Also, I'm not going to get into the more exciting topics until at least some people come to terms with FE. FE is the groundwork for everything else.
you can give a teaser deejay
I'm warming to the flat earth
The Great Flood.
Lost Ancient Tech.
@Hotwire yeah I agree with you - FE is just there to waste ppls time - more important things to address !
there seem to be so many layers of deception
Interesting stuff. 😉
stonehenge is a hoax?
or that is advanced material construction from way back when?
Not sure to what degree, but all is not well with History as a whole.
ja, I'm busy listening up on that
@Deejay from Earth so you're saying if you can prove FE you've got the smoking gun to the lies ppl have been fed all their lives?
@rob In those pics they are either building from scratch or reconstructing. Not sure.
it's all very disorientating though, which is the main concern, is that there is so much disinfo thrown in these circles, people misleading truth seekers
exactly my problem with FE
The best way to control the opposition is to lead it yourself.
and I've been in a jumbo a few times etc
but there are some pretty decent thought experiments
seeing the horizon out of both sides of the plane at 33k ft is fishy if you think about it....
@rob You are not supposed to see a horizon at all out the windows.
Not matter how large the ball, the plane is above the ball and the line of the horizon won't be visible.
have you guys been following any QAnon ?
@Hotwire It actually has a lot of potential to make a huge difference, especially to our current affairs of it turns out to be correct. Lets entertain the idea DeeJay is 100% correct, just entertain it, don't have to accept it... what difference does it make to the guy on the street? For starters, what we think we know, we get from our sources, we trust our sources, so if our sources are wrong, we are wrong, our perception is wrong, and society is structured by these sources, no thing can rise higher than it's source. If the source is a lie, how can we ever attain the truth, without the truth, how can we know the right path, the right solutions etc?
And that's just the tip of the iceberg really, if you go down deeper into that rabbit hole, who knows where you end up, about what the truth actually is. What if you can't solve the current issues with your current understanding? What if the shit we are going through today is a result of this current understanding?
Just something to contemplate.
Yeah but there are far better topics that does the same
@Deejay from Earth about the horizon - I think someone should build a 3d scale model in CAD or sketchup with correct relative distances, so that we can see if that is true or not
I think people keep on underestimating the curvature and relative sizes, for example, the atmosphere is just a thin little sliver on the surface of the earth
ja, something I've noticed is that whenever I ask questions the explaination is always some advanced engineering or science but I've worked at large companies and it's always a miracle everything is running at all. it's like the gyroscope discussion, the debunkers say that we use hardcore science to correct our tools but in reality we use the simplest stuff that works, which makes intuitive sense, because if it was really that tough society wouldn't operate.
cad model is a good idea
@Sheamus Wow well spoken and well understood. Absolutely correct - you need a base-line of truth from where you can deduce the rest of the puzzle. But your house must be built on a rock-solid foundation if you are going to do it that way (so to speak).
@Newscat ZA Check out Rob Durham on youtube, he's an AutoCAD God.
yeah when I have time ... like I said, you keep referring to to watch some long ass videos, this is just a ploy to waste ppls time methinks
@So if I don't feed you with a silver spoon it's not worth it?
did durham do a good scaled earth model?
its totally not worth it
I've put almost two years of research into it. Don't be lazy, you have to know it for yourself.
I was actually contemplating to create the different models in a game engine lol would be interesting
well then, since I've not seen any good proof of FE, I'm moving on 😄
@Newscat ZA Yes, not only that he modeled an eclipse on that globe in AutoCAD - and disproved NASA.
@Newscat ZA 5 minutes of reading on the gyroscope discussion was enough to make me stop and think.
ok, then when I've time, I'll have a look
ok, name one point of the gyroscope
the things I've seen about gyroscope doesn't disprove sphere
the whole point of a gyro is that the level doesn't change
you can test that at ground level, gravity doesn't influence it
I only do game development as a hobby, but could certainly try and do it lol, I'll see what i can put together as a fun experiment.
those gyroscopes autocorrect
a spinning top?
the aeroplane ones
that they always mention in this example
the ones they used in 1940?
those had to be corrected by pilot
they have to be reseated if they fall over
remember even radical aeroplane movement disrupts it
that is the reason for those 'autocorrecting' mechanisms
@Deejay from Earth yeah but can you put in VR goggles and fly around like superman? 🤔
if we could 'autocorrect' why have a gyro at all?
so you know where the ground is lol
so like when the ground below you curves what happens ? a gyro keeps a dead level
Yup, the gyroscope tells the pilot the attitude etc of the aircraft relative to the plane of the earth
"level" means a horizontal plane to the perpendicular of the centre of the earth (relative to your position)
The first patent for a pendulous vanes system was filed in 1941 by the inventor Frederick D. Braddon,
this is my argument
I want experiments that I can verify
appeal to authority doesn't work
hand wave we have the technology therefore that's wrong doesn't wash anymore
Yup. Crowdfund a heading indicator?
we don't need capital
just better experiments
oh yeah rob good point - but see that's why the gyroscope arguments are useless either way
how did they fly in WWII ??
Or you can fly in an airplane - as airplane flight is impossible on a ball that is rotating at 1600 kilometers per hour.
I watched a vid
the mechanism is for aerial manouvers, not the earth ball
I read somewhere - can't find it now, that the WWII gyros had to be readjusted by eye and had by pilot
how would you correct for level in the sky
without a level horizon
guys you see - this is why i don't do FE - takes too much time
but everytime I've gone down a road, it was proven nonsense
why can't the FE ers provide a working model
Cessna 172 that flies at 100kph REALLY can't land on a runway which is moving at twice the speed of sound. The only way the Cessna could land on that runway is if it was moving at 1700kph in the first place.
when they can I'll look at it again hehe
I hear you newscat, but consider that our lack of a unified theory of science is largely because gravity doesn't fit quantum mechanics
man yeah that's another dinger
lol no dejay, you're moving relative to the earth
those were debunked as well
what would be cool is if we could find a really good laser
that doesnt disperse a lot over looooong distance
@Newscat ZA Relativity is an unproven theory - you can't prove a theory with another theory.
then send it from one ship over flat water loooong distance
and see on other ship if the laser is higher
Try searching "flat earth laser test" on YT
yeah, but some of the laser tests were flawed
made in the USA
woah are we spelling/grammer nazis here 😄
he spelt it correctly
its cool I'm just joking
but if you want Murican lazers
We have already established that I am the worst typist of them all.
I've just finished watching that manhunt serious on the UNABOMer
Oh I downloaded it for my Dad. Don't watch much TV anymore. Haven't had Dstv in over 10 years.
yeah you FE'ers are pretty wacky 😄
Also Dinosaurs are bullshit but Giants are real.
Ok so let's see what comes next, just after Flat Earth... Wake up sleepers, time to level up. What will it be?
https://youtu.be/UHkiZNT3cyE If you thought Flat Earth was whack, check this out.
there is no accent quite as cynical as cynical russian ^
39 minutes in, discovering I live on the base of an ancient tree stump, called table mountain
👆 Very good introduction to #Pizzagate for all who are interested. And tbh, everyone should be paying attention, because this is still going on, and the world elites are still engaging in these satanic practices
Who isnt aware of this? WIth the exception of liberals... of course
ja I'm on board with pizzagate, follow the white rabbit https://i.redd.it/4dm5ykuk4cz01.jpg
No harm in raising awareness
Absolutely not, that was probably poorly placed humor
There are still lots of people who are not aware of it. And a lot of those that are aware, don't believe it's true
that russian dude in the video that deejay posted though, nuclear war in early 1800s rock mountians being ancient trees, pretty heavy
if you click on that link you go on list
@TruthCanary Hi there, just my two cents regarding PG. I am perfectly happy that it's real and has been part and parcel of the Hollywood entertainment complex from the beginning, starting maybe with Walt Disney himself. If you want something to bite into, check out #ElsaGate, AND GET YOUR CHILDREN THE HELL OFF OF YOUTUBE if that is still going on. PG however for me personally is not a field of interest or further investigation whatsoever. My thing is to try and understand the nature of our natural environment, in order to understand what we humans really are. And further to that, if I'm very lucky - rediscover the true purpose for humanity on Earth. This is what drives me and has done for the last twenty or-so years. Investigating PG takes you on a really really dark path - of hearsay and speculation. It's impossible to make progress or prove any of it. The problem is that the very proof you are looking for is illegal to have on your computer. Above all though - I will not let my mind dwell on these horrible disgusting things- - it's low vibration and will bring your frequency down, and there will never be proof of anything, making it (for me anyways), a complete waste of time.
@rob Mind-bending stuff isn't it? 😃 There are translated versions available but the original is still the best. He's a really smart guy too. For investigating #GiantSiliconTrees - Google Earth is a complete trip - there are TONS of chopped-off giant trees to be found all over the world. Let's post what we find.
Flat Earth I will defend with everything I have - from the Giant trees onwards - this is all very new and is an amazing discovery that we can all share and get our teeth into. It's where we live - and we need to know EVERYTHING about our home. As a community project it can be a lot of fun, and because of the abundance of supporting evidence all over the world, including South Africa, it's something real, practical and provable. Get the scientists in here - if we can get them to even to look at it with an open mind.
Flat water, flat horizon. (And the "space" Shuttle - oh the irony). Have look at the nose-up attitude of the 747. All planes fly like that - a few degrees of positive pitch. You don't push the nose down in an aircraft to descend, you simply close the throttle a bit. When there is less thrust there is less lift from the wings, resulting in the aircraft descending while still maintaining a positive rate of pitch. For an aircraft to fly around a sphere, the nose must constantly dip down to prevent the aircraft from flying off into outer space, because remember the earth is curving further down and away from the plane exponentially, with the nose of the aircraft pointing in the opposite direction. Diverging lines. At which point during a long commercial airline flight (or any other flight) does the pilot start pushing the nose down to go around the ball? Have you ever felt it? Conclusion: It's literally impossible for that 747 to fly around a sphere with that nose-up attitude.
Apparently they own all the genetic labs and love playing god.
and the rothschild bow to them, thought you'd like this as you like epxosing the NWO agenda
It is said they thought themselves fluent french in 1 week <:hmm:468405359523135488>
what the fuck am I watching
If you have a desk-model of the spinning globe- see if your globe still has the manufacturers disclaimer under the base. 😉 (Please post pictures)
(Fasting makes your body Alkaline.) https://www.myhealthwire.com/news/breakthroughs/924
All flatties out there, how do you explain eclipses ☝
Picture taken a few minutes ago. Nikon P900. Open fullscreen and zoom. I'll be filming the eclipse tomorrow and saturday.
Ironic, people are programmed to believe that they are being programmed.
Sooooooo, what do you guys think about CERN?
and the LHC
The portal that the reptilians are building for their overlord to emerge from?
@Luister (AM) ja ek het sy hele gesprek gesien, en dit is eintlik ongelooflik hoe die dinge wat hy daai tyd al gesê het waar geword het.
Hier is die volle gesprek
Natuurlik, hy mos gesê hy was 'n propagandist wat die toneel uitgespeel het soos hy dit vertel het, so hy weet presies hoe uit gespeel word. Dit is 'n moet sien vir almal, net 'n jammerte dat dit vergeet word by die skole.
Ja ek stem, almal moet dit sien. Dit sal mense se oë oopmaak
Stefan Molynox het ook 'n interessante onderhoud gehad met 'n vrou wat hierdie kommunistiese indringing in Amerika nagevors het
baie goeie video
Ja het dit ook gesien. Baie goed
Ek hou daarvan hoe Bezmenov die linkses beskryf: Useful Idiots
die ergste is as mens probeer om vriende en familie wakker te maak - maar hulle kyk net CNN BBC Wash Post Huff post etc
Jis maar eintlik erg as daaran dink. Daar was 'n tyd wat almal geweet het hoe gevaarlik die gemors is, en vandag vat dit oor... Maak my wonder hoe ons hier op geëindig het.
Wel die wereld het baie gekompliseerd geword en dinge verander so vinnig - kyk nou kan mens so baie inligting kry deur die internet, dis eintlik 'n goeie tyd nou
miskien vroeer kon mense nie regtig aandag gee aan goed nie - 20/20 hindsight, dis maklik om nou te judge met al die inligting wat so maklik besikbaar is
@Sheamus dis baie hartseer, want ons pa's en oupas het teen die kommuniste geveg, en het geveg om hierdie giftige ideologie uit ons land te hou. En kyk waar sit ons vandag... Dis amper asof dit alles verniet was....
@TruthCanary dis eintlik snaaks hoe mense gedink het toe die Berlin Wall val dat kommunisme verby is - so naif lol
Kommunisme floreer nou soos nooit tevore
Kommunisme is die duiwel, sal nooit verby wees nie nes Christenskap nooit verby sal wees nie. Kan nie die waarheid stop nie, maar kan ook nie leuns stop nie.
Kyk van 2:21
If you have a decent powered set of binoculars, one can clearly see the curvature in the earth's shadow on the moon tonight.
@$P!KY\/!k!NG All this while assuming the axial rotation of the earth which has never and will never be proven. 😉
Rāhu (Sanskrit: राहु)() is one of the nine major astronomical bodies (navagraha) in Indian texts. Unlike the other eight, Rāhu is not a real astronomical body but a shadow entity, one that causes eclipses and is the king of meteors. Rahu represents the ascend of the moon in its precessional orbit around the earth.
Rāhu is usually paired with Ketu. The time of day considered to be under the influence of Rāhu is called Rāhu kāla and is considered inauspicious.
As per Vedic astrology Rahu and Ketu have an orbital cycle of 18 years and are always 180 degrees from each other orbitally (as well as in the birth charts). This coincides with the precessional orbit of moon or the ~18 year rotational cycle of the lunar ascending and descending nodes on the earth’s ecliptic plane. This also corresponds to a saros, a period of approximately 223 synodic months (approximately 6585.3211 days, or 18 years, 11 days, 8 hours), that can be used to predict eclipses of the Sun and Moon.
Astronomically, Rahu and Ketu denote the points of intersection of the paths of the Sun and the Moon as they move on the celestial sphere. Therefore, Rahu and Ketu are respectively called the north and the south lunar nodes. The fact that eclipses occur when the Sun and the Moon are at one of these points gives rise to the understanding of swallowing of the Sun and the Moon by the snake. (wiki)
@Deejay from Earth I know a little about rahu and ketu. I wish I had more time to study these things.
In all seriousness I'm just messing with you dude. I have no idea if the earth is flat or round and given the perils of my volk, knowing is not really high up on the priority list.
However...I'm still in if you can find a boat to go there. Seriously dude. I'll go there to find out.
You want to help the nation, but how are you going going to help the 'volk' when the volk denies the Creation of their very own Creator? (And by doing this calls their God a liar - because it's in the Bible as well as proven scientifically). What kind of Christian does that?!?!? (Not personal just a generalization)
@Deejay from Earth I just don't see the scriptural evidence man. One reference to a circle and a poetic reference to it's foundations.
Do you want the volk to disappear from a flat or round earth?