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2018-07-22 08:12:32 UTC

@DrLoLCat It's an infinite plane as far as we can tell. So we don't know. But it's not a flat disc floating in space with water falling over the edge. There is no outer space in the Geocentric model whatsoever. Earth is a fixed, motionless plane with some type of dome over the top. We live inside this dome - it's warm and cozy near the center, but the higher up or further out you go, the more inhospitable it gets. Almost like we are trapped inside a snow-globe. I believe "the waters above the firmament" is real too.

2018-07-22 08:14:29 UTC

(200 Proofs - PDF)


2018-07-22 08:17:21 UTC

1606 - Mercator - Hondius - (First map of the North Pole) Notice the four rivers running throught it.


2018-07-22 08:18:31 UTC

@Deejay from Earth that is a magnificent photo, please post more of those πŸ˜ƒ

2018-07-22 08:25:11 UTC

Air map of the World, 1943. Map used in WWII.


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2018-07-22 08:31:26 UTC

Please note that it is literally impossible to project a globe map onto a flat map. You can (to a degree) fold a flat map around a ball, but not vice-versa and not without huge distortions.

2018-07-22 08:40:22 UTC

This is the Gleason's New Standard Map of the Word, Published in 1892. This map was discovered in the Boston Library in the US. Look at the library stamp. NOTE: This is not a top-down view of a globe. Look at the lines of latitude which runs from THE POLE to the outer edge of the map. On a globe, those lines converge at both poles, on this map, the lines have diverged at the outer white perimeter - Antarctica. Earth is magnetized like a speaker magnet - North Pole in the center and the entire outside perimeter is South. This is where you live, welcome home. πŸ˜ƒ


2018-07-22 08:58:29 UTC

@Tjoppie Not studying. I'm 46. I left the church after I left my parents house, because life simply didn't make sense to me. I have made it my life's mission to understand the truth of this world. What I am sharing with you is my twenty-plus years of research on who we are, what we are, and where we are. I have no formal education and I am not a traditionally scholarly man. Luckily for me, I know perfectly well that I know nothing. And for the first time in my life I have to admit that I have become a spiritual man, but this will in no way affect the Flat Earth discussion. With Flat Earth, I will be backing everything up with Logic, Reason, and REAL Science. ~Namaste. πŸ™

2018-07-22 10:00:48 UTC

At the outer perimiter of this flat earth, what is there?

2018-07-22 10:04:00 UTC

A gigantic ice wall Game of Thrones styles if im not mistaken

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sorry is that the right one? I was thinking of the map of the land underneath antarctica

2018-07-22 10:55:30 UTC

@rob Yes it also shows the land-mass under The Arctic ice sheet if I'm not mistaken.

2018-07-22 10:56:27 UTC

Maybe Antarctica as well? Graham Hancock likes to reference the map in his talks and books.

2018-07-22 10:56:57 UTC

how did you run into the flat earth stuff?

2018-07-22 10:57:17 UTC

I've first become aware of it recently, it's quite a bit to absorb

2018-07-22 11:05:10 UTC

Been following these various discussions for the past 4 years myself, wouldnt say I am entirely convinced of any of them (including the mainstream), still interesting to see all the arguments and get to know those who hold these views and how they reason the truth.

2018-07-22 11:05:18 UTC

@rob As a life-time "Conspiracy Theorist" (I prefer "Reality Analyst" by the way), my story is the same as everyone else's - with all the conspiracy links in YouTube, Flat Earth links popped up for the longest time. I refused to click any of them for a few months. Then one day I clicked Mark "The raging shill" Sargeant's Flat Earth Clues video. That did give me a clue but unfortunately no empirical measurable evidence. The next video I clicked was 200 Proofs. And two hours later I knew the earth was flat. For me it was easy, because I was already (to a large degree) aware of the broader framework of this deceitful system that we find ourselves in today. P.S. Dinosaurs are fake too.

2018-07-22 11:17:15 UTC

why do low pressure systems move the way that they do?

2018-07-22 11:17:26 UTC

we always have a NW wind preceding a storm

2018-07-22 11:17:42 UTC

and in the northern hemisphere the storm pattern is reversed

2018-07-22 11:18:05 UTC

NW -> SW - SE in the following high pressure system

2018-07-22 11:18:52 UTC

why do the storms always hit the cape from the west

2018-07-22 11:19:56 UTC

... i suppose that yin yang spinning of the atmosphere might explain it..

2018-07-22 11:21:01 UTC

The Coriolis effect is complete and utter nonsense. Does not exist and storms rotate clock-wise as well as counter-clockwise in both "hemispheres". There is no scientific evidence to back it up. Watch this video to see for yourself if Coriolis is real. https://youtu.be/u3BUnHiv6AA

2018-07-22 11:26:35 UTC

Tides on flat earth - this forms a large part of the weather system obviously. Note there's a shit-ton of things we don't know yet, and I will let you know accordingly. This is a HUGE field of study when you think about it. Think of it in terms of re-writing every schoolbook EVER.


2018-07-22 11:32:10 UTC

The tides are caused by the close passing sun and moon passing over the water. The Flat Earth model IS Nikola Tesla's world. It's exciting stuff. Yes I'm talking real, practical and achievable free energy here. Even though it varies, the sun and moon is roughly twenty to thirty kilometers above the circle of the earth at any given time. A high-altitude balloon-cam almost ran into it a while ago. Look at the telemetry data and the altitude in the corner of the picture.


2018-07-22 11:33:17 UTC

@Deejay from Earth if I had money to waste I would definately send you for one of these flips in russia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEE_OXXVj0w

2018-07-22 11:34:16 UTC

I started noticing the storm thing when surfing

2018-07-22 11:34:27 UTC

the storms come from one direction

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2018-07-22 11:35:09 UTC

did a quick calculation on google maps, not sure if it means anything


2018-07-22 11:35:32 UTC

fairly large discrepancy

2018-07-22 11:35:52 UTC

but not the correct direction (very rough calculation though)

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2018-07-22 11:36:28 UTC

I'll see your 16,500 feet and raise you 104,500 feet. Lens corrected. https://youtu.be/WQITXbcz2hg

2018-07-22 11:36:55 UTC

I would pay for your trip to the ISS...

2018-07-22 11:37:26 UTC

As official representative of all flat earthers world wide. β™₯

2018-07-22 11:37:30 UTC

The ISS is as real as the DeathStar I'm afraid.

2018-07-22 11:37:59 UTC

Just imagine your disbelief when you arive there πŸ˜ƒ

2018-07-22 11:38:43 UTC

Once you've seen the flat earth, it can never be unseen. πŸ˜‚

2018-07-22 11:39:19 UTC

PS I'm really shit at typing. And I'm in IT.

2018-07-22 11:39:34 UTC

For shame!

2018-07-22 11:39:44 UTC

ja that's terrible dude

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2018-07-22 11:40:50 UTC

@rob I know right. My first PC was an ICL Elf back in the day. 20Mb hard drive.

2018-07-22 11:41:12 UTC

Nice one thanks @Shiver

2018-07-22 11:41:37 UTC

I remember sucking at the typing games when i was young wondering if i'd ever be able to touch type

2018-07-22 11:41:56 UTC

then a couple years of IRC and it just happened automatically

2018-07-22 11:42:51 UTC

so @Deejay from Earth what are the practical implications of flat earth?

2018-07-22 11:50:37 UTC

just checked the length of daylight in cape town vs beiruit and they seem identical (one 33 N other 33S)

2018-07-22 11:54:44 UTC

watching the 200 proofs video now at 2x the sun/moon movement could explain the same day lengths if the sun cycles between the tropics

2018-07-22 12:01:02 UTC

The most immediate and practical implication to my mind is the fact that we as a species have no grounding or purpose here on earth. We are all born creative geniuses with an innate curiosity about life. You know how curious children are? That curiosity about ourselves and the world around us is a natural built-in part of being a human, and it is supposed to be with us throughout our entire lives. Our curiosity is what drives us to try and fathom the unfathomable. (What is God and other questions). However, in-stead of exploring the mysteries of the world and making beautiful and spiritual lives for ourselves, humanity has been hijacked into believing that they are nothing. A speck of dust in space. Humanity has been turned into a Fascist dictatorship and we are wasting our lives away doing nothing that matters. I am quite certain that life was never meant to be spent working for a boss and having tons of debt. Look at the state of the world. What are we doing with our lives? Because if THIS IS IT, then I want my money back. This is not living. It's shit. When we have a good idea of what earth is, we start knowing what we are. And from there, the true purpose of humanity on Earth. Flat Earth exposes all of it, and is the urgent and immediate wake-up call that humanity needs right now to get us out of this hole we've dug for ourselves.

2018-07-22 12:02:58 UTC

Anthony works in the grocery store
Savin' his pennies for someday
Mama Leone left a note on the door
She said, Sonny, move out to the country
Workin' too hard can give you
A heart attack (ack)
You oughta know by now (oughta know)
Who needs a house out in Hackensack
Is that what you get with your money

2018-07-22 12:18:31 UTC

And the twelve years of school is the cat that the kills the curiosity. After school, we know everything about the world. What is is, how it looks and works right? Now you're ready to go study and FINALLY enter the workforce so you can have the shitty "dream" JOB you've always wanted - since there's no more mysteries to figure out - what else are you going to do? The rest of our lives is a mix of materialism, debt and early death because we have no idea how to heal our own bodies. Your body starts healing itself when you stop eating. Fasting will cure pretty much any disease too. Diabetes? Stop eating. Diabetes is your body's way of telling you that you are eating too much and too often. Your body has to produce a lot of acid to digest all the crap you are putting into it. If your body is acidic for too long, you will get sick and eventually die. Ulcers? Too much food = excess stomach acid that burns holes in your stomach.

2018-07-22 12:19:47 UTC

....Wish I knew that before my Mom died of Diabetes a few years ago.

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2018-07-22 12:30:07 UTC

Talking about fasting... that is what I looked like most of my life. A friend recommended it, I looked it up online and 10 months later this happened..

2018-07-22 12:33:24 UTC

Most of the things I'm telling you here is because I am doing or have done for myself. Prove all the things...


2018-07-22 12:36:08 UTC

Flat Earth was the key that unlocked the Bible for me, and fasting is the key that unlocks the true nature of man.

2018-07-22 12:38:33 UTC

I talk too much, switching off for a bit. We've barely scratched the surface. Questions welcome for the rest of the day. Thank you for listening everyone. Please tell me to shut it if no one is enjoying my mad ramblings. I can go on for days I know.

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2018-07-22 12:40:42 UTC

Haha I was inspired by Willem who had the kahoonas to put his face on the internet.

2018-07-22 12:44:08 UTC

@HoppeanSnake_ZA Maybe Weigh-less can contact me to buy my before and after glamour shots. πŸ˜ƒ

2018-07-22 12:54:33 UTC

<:dynoSuccess:314691591484866560> ***Daniebees#7984 has been warned.***

2018-07-22 14:08:55 UTC

Pretty neat anecdote their, I actually agree with the whole eating thing. I actually tried it out of curiosity at one point, and damn, the result is pretty awesome actually, I remember my first week after it kicked in, only slept every second night, the degree of focus and energy surging through your body and mind is pretty intense, but I find intermittent fasting still remains a more consistent and steady way as opposed to the frequent hard start and stops.

2018-07-22 14:30:13 UTC

@Sheamus Thank you Sir!

2018-07-22 14:31:49 UTC

How's your day going?

2018-07-22 14:32:10 UTC

One medium sized meal a day over an extended period of time will also take you a long way.

2018-07-22 14:34:37 UTC

@Sheamus Pretty good thanks

2018-07-22 14:35:45 UTC

Yeah, the constant struggle is just not very efficient, you just get back into a habit of eating and then have to break it, only to struggle the with the biological disctatorship... Just change the habit to be more effective and there you go, much more subtle and smoother transition lol

2018-07-22 14:37:23 UTC

I went out for a month and it was really tough getting back in. This is what we lack in our lives - a personal self-discipline. How to be a human being 101. Should have been taught how to fast from childhood.

2018-07-22 14:40:49 UTC

Yes, certainly does play into self discipline, but discipline with force to forge a will of iron isnt necessarily good, stubborness has it's downsides too... Wouldnt cultivate stubborness, hence I will always come back to arguing on the merit of what is reasonable.

2018-07-22 14:42:12 UTC

Fasting is a good way to get control over the sin of gluttony, No fap is just as important to control the sins of lust, also a big supporter of no fapping.

2018-07-22 14:44:37 UTC

But above all.. Know Thyself.

2018-07-22 14:46:55 UTC

Yeah, people tend to know others better than themselves, and so want to make themselves like the others... such a shame really that they are so insecure about their own existence

2018-07-22 14:48:15 UTC

A regular fasting routine will cause your anabolic growth hormones to start kicking and make you feel like a 12 year old boy all over again aahaha. Yup, I said it. If you stop eating, you start growing. And incidentally, now you know where Goliath the giant from the Bible came from. http://liveanabolic.com/why-men-are-anabolic-fasting-for-mass/

2018-07-22 14:50:16 UTC

Because you are growing, you will also start healing old as well as current injuries. My 15 tear-old back-pain is gone. And after 45 years, I threw away my Asthma inhaler. I use no medication whatsoever.

2018-07-22 14:51:19 UTC

The thing that always gets me with the nay sayers are that they arent willing to actually try things... they accpet these complete opposite extremes, if it is not one extreme, it must be the other extreme, not trying to reconcile the extremes and find the balance.

2018-07-22 14:58:33 UTC

It is my belief that the death en resurrection of Jesus Christ in the Bible is a metaphor for a three day fast. Like the article suggests, your old immune dies and a new one is born after three days. So from that old knowledge I gather that we should be fasting over Easter - so at least one three day fast a year for all adults, and as needed during the rest of the year. Someone knew this, and I hope to bring as much of the old knowledge back as I can. It's all there. You just need to have an very very open mind.

2018-07-22 15:01:22 UTC

Yeah after learning about ketosis and how it rhymes with the whole ressurection idea, i got intrigued by it.

2018-07-22 15:02:31 UTC

I recently did a 10 day fast, but not for religious reasons, but rather as a kind of a detox.

2018-07-22 15:02:50 UTC

It was a hard fast however, as no food is allowed at all, not even after sundown.

2018-07-22 15:02:59 UTC

But I gotta tell you, I feel so much better

2018-07-22 15:04:09 UTC

Doesnt have to be motivated by religion, but you can attest to the fact that it has a profound experience on you though... that is the point. We are conditioned into the 3 meal day habbit, which ought to make us question what it does for us

2018-07-22 15:05:25 UTC

I do however agree with you that it is good to fast for religious reasons. As a Christian myself, I can see tremendous the value in it.

2018-07-22 15:06:19 UTC

Hi @TruthCanary , wow I've never done that long. It's rarely necessary to go that long I think. But yes that is proper fasting - no carbs at all. In the beginning I had coffee with creamer, don't do the cremora anymore though but I still drink one or two cups of filter coffee in the morning even if I am fasting. It is a small but important comfort, especially in the beginning when you are learning.

2018-07-22 15:07:15 UTC

I wouldnt go to the extents of proclaiming breatharianism though lol

2018-07-22 15:11:02 UTC

I still struggle to take this very seriously lol

2018-07-22 15:15:01 UTC

@Sheamus It is said that the path to a mans heart is through his stomach. Truer words have never been spoken... but some have been left out. Yes the path to a mans heart is through his stomach, but not if you put food in it. The food blocks-off your Source connection because your body has to produce acid to digest the food. When the lead-acid battery in your car goes flat, it's because all the Alkalinity has been used up and it is now in an acidic state. Same goes for the human body - if your body (which is an alkaline battery - remember I said electric universe) is flat, you start getting sick. And you re-charge by not eating and getting plenty of sun. Your body has a pH level just like a car battery or your swimming pool.

2018-07-22 15:15:34 UTC

@Deejay from Earth Yeah it was not easy. The first 2 days were accompanied by migranes, but after that it became easier somehow. On the 8th and 9th day however, I couldn't stop thinking about some lekker braaivleis. During the 10 days, the only liquids that I drank, was either water, or lemon juice, infused with a mixture of Maple Syrup and cayenne pepper

2018-07-22 15:17:34 UTC

Btw, for all the Christians in this group, I hope you are following this guy

2018-07-22 15:19:03 UTC

I have seen some of his vids, kinda enjoy praying medic and SGT report from that community though

2018-07-22 15:21:30 UTC

@TruthCanary Can I tell you a secret... if you are struggling to fast, get rid of as much clutter in your house as you can. It frees up space in your mind to think of spiritual things. We do not get possessed by Demons - we are possessed by our own possessions. Your mind remembers and counts and quantifies EVERYTHING in your life. You know how good you feel after spring cleaning the house or the garage? This thing with materialism and not having possessions and stuff... is entirely physiological. Trust me, get rid of your shit, it makes a difference. And the less you have, the more what you have now means to you. Which makes it even more difficult to throw stuff away.

2018-07-22 15:25:29 UTC

Less is indeed more... The more we desire, the less we have.

2018-07-22 15:32:33 UTC

@TruthCanary Yep ask the flat earth community, it happens to them all the time. Simply gets deleted off the internet.

2018-07-22 15:39:16 UTC

It's Time for Flat Earth 101, Lesson One.

2018-07-22 15:47:37 UTC

This one is self-explanatory. Look around you, do you observe any curvature anywhere? We don't know how much curvature there is supposed to be, all we're taught in school is that it's is so big that the size of the sphere of the earth makes it look flat as a pancake in all directions. Right. Got that. Thanks. Pffft. There's lots and lots of missing curvature that no one seems to be able to find in order to make me shut the hell up! πŸ˜ƒ


2018-07-22 16:06:24 UTC

This is how much missing curvature there is. People can argue about the curvature formula all they want... good luck arguing with AutoCAD measurements.


2018-07-22 16:11:47 UTC

So if we can't see the curvature of the earth because the Earth is so big, how can we see ships disappear over the horizon? hmmmm. πŸ˜‰

2018-07-22 16:13:01 UTC

https://youtu.be/ql_TTguKxnE Please watch this 40 second clip right to the end. Shot with a Nikon P900.

2018-07-22 17:32:04 UTC

"Im done arguing ovef flat earth"
*continues to argue over flat earth*

2018-07-22 17:33:02 UTC

Like mate there are thousands of photos of the earth. There is not one of the flat earth in its entirety. Youre basing everything off "lookda horizon" and "look dis antiquated map"

2018-07-22 17:36:17 UTC

I did not attend bible studies, have numerous talks with my pastor, and many voluntary weekday mass attendance, just to have some bible thumper try to provoke our minds with the essence of a flat earth. God did not create us humans via intelligent design, granting us the capability to challenge ideas, to waste iton emotion as such with the idea of a flat earth

2018-07-22 20:35:13 UTC

New pinned tweet. Our boi @Rendier has Zillephoria.


2018-07-22 20:40:21 UTC

Gr1m the good goy

2018-07-23 00:10:30 UTC

Race is just a conspiracy made up by racists into believing in multiple races

2018-07-23 03:30:43 UTC

@Rendier maybe has too much soy in his diet

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2018-07-23 05:25:19 UTC

Morning ya'll. The sun disappears into the horizon as it moves further away from the observer, it doesn't actually set under the line of the horizon. Gif coming up.

2018-07-23 05:27:15 UTC

Notice how the sun get smaller as it moves away, you can also pick up the circular motion of the sun.


2018-07-23 06:04:18 UTC

Article | Published: 03 January 2018
Alcohol and endogenous aldehydes damage chromosomes and mutate stem cells

Juan I. Garaycoechea, Gerry P. Crossan, FrΓ©dΓ©ric Langevin, Lee Mulderrig, Sandra Louzada, Fentang Yang, Guillaume Guilbaud, Naomi Park, Sophie Roerink, Serena Nik-Zainal, Michael R. Stratton & Ketan J. Patel

Nature volume 553, pages 171–177 (11 January 2018) | Download Citation

Haematopoietic stem cells renew blood. Accumulation of DNA damage in these cells promotes their decline, while misrepair of this damage initiates malignancies. Here we describe the features and mutational landscape of DNA damage caused by acetaldehyde, an endogenous and alcohol-derived metabolite. This damage results in DNA double-stranded breaks that, despite stimulating recombination repair, also cause chromosome rearrangements... (continued at link). https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25154

2018-07-23 14:43:09 UTC

@Arm Yup agreed I'm 100% onboard with that one.

2018-07-23 14:43:26 UTC

Of couse you are.

2018-07-23 14:46:42 UTC

So what did you brush your teeth with this morning?

2018-07-23 14:48:27 UTC

Waaaaaaaahahaha love that Auto-tilt camera. And how the fcuk did they retrieve the footage? πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚

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2018-07-23 21:09:39 UTC

flat earthers were dropped as children: a consipiracy
Ok, you're on the floor
What do you see?
You see mainly a flat surface? Why is that? Your perspective relative to your distance to the ground is identical to the ground's perspective. So you're on the floor, it's impossible to see a curve anywhere, because you aren't high enough to see any form of curve. Now, imagine this in a child, still developing and maturing, especially less than 2 years old. they get dropped, they sustain possibly fatal injuries. But, the brain is on almost a 1ms delay on taking any form of stimulus. So, in that 1ms, they open their eyes after falling, seeing that flat surface. It becoms comforting, becomes their perspective
So, with that, if you are dropped constantly, you become more and more aware of your perspective from such a low relative height. And what do you constantly see? A flat surface
Bam, confirmed: flat earthers were dropped as children

2018-07-23 23:29:44 UTC

@4rvp Could you actually try not be a broken record and post the same guess work over and over, he at least provides a variety of content to make his argument, and let's be honest, your intention is clearly to insult him, because if there was any data to support your theory, you would be posting it. If you want to prove him wrong, then prove him wrong by all means with counter arguments, with actual counter arguments to his claims, and then the two of you can engage critically so that the community can read and judge for themselves. All you achieve with this insult is really letting everyone know that you resort to insults to make your point, and i highly doubt you will find very many people that would be interested to engage with someone that's just going insult them simply when there is disagreement, and write crap like this without actually providing a proper counter argument to whatever claims. All you literally do, is give him the benefit, while you end up with the doubt.

2018-07-23 23:29:50 UTC

Be fruitful, and progressive with your engagements, don't be a degenerate.

2018-07-23 23:36:14 UTC

@Sheamus If you actually believe him, you're turning my diction to that of some commie of "us against them".

2018-07-23 23:37:02 UTC

"variety of content", yea it's content, not evidence. He doesn't want to accept a non-flat earth, that's fine, just don't claim to be of higher order if you do.

2018-07-23 23:38:02 UTC

I'm done here, regardless of what I say, this biblethumper is just going to present "muh horizon" or "muh auto CAD"

2018-07-23 23:39:06 UTC

If I were to present the idea of how it's impossible for the sun to be sort of "hovering aorund the earth in a fixed orbit" due to the light being basically nonexistent in the night, he'll say it's some dumbass mystcal shadow produced by god's asscheeks or something

2018-07-23 23:39:23 UTC

This argument was a lost cause form the getgo, and I was the fool for even parttaking in it

2018-07-23 23:39:53 UTC

This has nothing to do with my beliefs, this has to do with your attitude. Make a proper argument if you disagree with him, or just ignore him. It's not that hard to grasp.

2018-07-23 23:40:23 UTC

Well I have, and clearly he's not "up for enlightenment"

2018-07-24 00:01:48 UTC

The groups name is info-wars, information is defined as the facts provided, and war is defined as a state of competition or hostility between different people or groups. Nobody has ever won a war armed with insults.. Information wins the war. If you aren't interested in conducting strategic warfare with facts and just hurl repetitive insults, you are pretty much a snowflake. All I'm trying to convey to you is this, if he is your enemy, then compete with him on the same terms. If he puts his facts forward, then you counter his facts with your facts. If you don't, then he inevitably wins the battle. Treat all engagements like this going forward, and pick your battles wisely, and commit to it.

2018-07-24 00:02:50 UTC

not like I did but whatever, done with it

2018-07-24 04:55:57 UTC

@Sheamus That's the thing , they literally don't have any empirical / scientific data. They have no repeatable experiments. They have no proof of any of their theories. They don't even have observational evidence. On top of that, they don't even have the evidence of their own senses. We as human beings do not experience or observe the alleged axial rotation, same goes for curvature as per eight inches multiplied by the distance in miles squared. Conclusion: Because we do not experience this motion naturally, the burden of proof is on the globe community to prove their model. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. All you need to to is open your eyes and your mind. People look, but they don't see.

2018-07-24 05:03:23 UTC

And if you guys are not sure what you're looking for here... the point is not if the line of the horizon looks like it may or may not have a bit of curvature to it. The problem is why and how can the line of the horizon be in the middle of the picture when you are one hundred and fourteen thousand feet ABOVE the spinning ball? The line of the horizon is ALWAYS in the middle of the picture - regardless if you are at ten feet altitude or one hundred thousand feet. This phenomenon is only possible on an extended flat plane.


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2018-07-24 06:56:51 UTC

Just a question, you must be as "narrow" minded as the video footage on the high altitude Balloon... If that 120 degree angle still give you a flat image, imagine how big the earth is... Because if you would have taken the beloon away even more, you also could have seen the earth is round(sphere)... But now you will say that when the baloon was sent up, it was the centre of the earth.... It must have taken you a long time to convince yourself to believe the earth is flat....

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2018-07-24 07:16:05 UTC

I know exactly how big the earth is thanks.


2018-07-24 07:20:54 UTC

And how big is the "flat" earth...

2018-07-24 07:22:23 UTC

Where your ballon taken further away so that you could se complete edge of the flat earth?...

If not I must probably start telling people the earth is square?

2018-07-24 07:32:12 UTC

The flat earth is an extended flat plane - it may be infinite but we don't know. And if earth is so big that you can't see the curvature, how can you see ships disappear "over the curvature"?

2018-07-24 07:33:59 UTC

Beacause of weather conditions

2018-07-24 07:34:21 UTC

It's called an AirPLANE for a very good reason. Because it flies in the air over a plane...

2018-07-24 07:39:35 UTC

Flat earth is a psy op to discredit the "truth movement" as to hide legitimate conspiracies.

2018-07-24 07:43:37 UTC

There's supposed to be so much curvature that no pilot would ever gave to climb up to gain altitude. All you need is to take-off , level out immediately and wait for the ground to drop away from underneath the aircraft. Referencing the above chart, you can see that the amount of curvature drop-off over five hundred miles is 31.7 miles. To put that into perspective - airliners cruise at around six to seven miles altitude. So for a one hour flight at five hundred miles an hour, with 167378 feet of expected curvature drop-off, the ground under the aircraft would be dropping away at a staggering 2789 feet per minute. To put that into perspective for you, a Boeing 737 has climb rate of around 1800 feet per minute. The earth is a lot smaller than what you have been taught.

2018-07-24 07:47:08 UTC

With "drop-off" you're still experiencing gravity - orbital forces - so you stay relative to earth

2018-07-24 07:48:11 UTC

You are welcome to use "Gravity" in your arguments, but you need to prove it first. Flat Earth is not about theorizing or speculation.

2018-07-24 07:52:45 UTC

OK, but one question - why does the spherical earth theory explain all observable phenomena (like sun/moon/star movement patterns)?

2018-07-24 07:52:57 UTC

But there is no workable flat-earth model

2018-07-24 07:55:22 UTC

@Newscat ZA You only assume it does, the Heliocentric model does not, can not and will not ever be able to describe even the length of day or the occurrence of seasons. Quoting heaven and Earth by Gabrielle Henriette:


2018-07-24 07:56:09 UTC

The earth is tilted lol

2018-07-24 07:58:14 UTC

A sphere is a sphere, you can tilt it any way you like, the line of shadow will not change.

2018-07-24 07:59:43 UTC

um lol

2018-07-24 07:59:56 UTC

Do you even know how it works?

2018-07-24 08:05:48 UTC

The sun is approximately one hundred and nine times wider than the earth, therefore by all mathematical and scientific properties of a sphere, exactly fifty percent of the Earth's surface must always be illuminated. Do an experiment, you'll see. The earth also (allegedly) has a uniform motion of rotation (it doesn't slow down or speed up - it's a constant speed). If the earth was a spinning ball as per the Heliocentric model, the sun would rise at 6am and set at 6pm for all countries around the world, year round. Also, if the earth rotated around the sun, day and night would swap around every six months. Get your head around that one. The ball model simply does not work, not logically or scientifically.


2018-07-24 08:07:34 UTC

50% always illuminated = yes it is ...

2018-07-24 08:07:48 UTC

6 to 6 all coutries = no the earth is tilted

2018-07-24 08:08:21 UTC

Have you built a little model to test it?

2018-07-24 08:08:24 UTC

have a look

2018-07-24 08:11:31 UTC

One axial rotation every 24 hours - with 50% of the surface area in the sunlight.... makes twelve hour days and twelve hour nights year round for all countries on earth. How do you explain seasonal changes when earth has a constant motion of rotation?

2018-07-24 08:12:03 UTC

"all countries" - no man, the ocean gets a lot of sun

2018-07-24 08:12:11 UTC

Also how did you measure the alleged tilt of the earth?

2018-07-24 08:12:20 UTC

go build a model then we talk again

2018-07-24 08:15:35 UTC


2018-07-24 08:16:34 UTC

Off course - all knowledge is fundamentally theoretical

2018-07-24 08:17:28 UTC

Flat Earth is science all the way.

2018-07-24 08:17:44 UTC

Why is there no working model of flat earth?

2018-07-24 08:19:13 UTC

You only assume there's no working model because you haven't been researching the phenomenon for the last two years.

2018-07-24 08:19:24 UTC

This is roughly what it looks like. https://youtu.be/T5HThnlBpi8

2018-07-24 08:19:28 UTC

I've looked at a few, then lost interest

2018-07-24 08:19:33 UTC

none of them made sense

2018-07-24 08:19:52 UTC

Is that one a working model?

2018-07-24 08:20:39 UTC

Look outside your window dude. It works pretty well as you can see.

2018-07-24 08:21:30 UTC

Show me the curvature. Show me the axial rotation. Show me proof of gravity. You need absolute evidence for all three of those to even have a sniff.

2018-07-24 08:25:19 UTC

I don't expect to see a curvature when I look out the window - I'm guessing, but I'd have to be something like 1000 x bigger to see it. You can't "see" axial rotation - that's like saying - "can you see my love/hate for you?" You CAN however see the effects, like day and night. When I jump off a building I can experience the effects of gravity. What do you mean with "absolute evidence" - your last sentence doesn't make sense.

2018-07-24 08:25:59 UTC

But anyways - we can chat again later! I have to go get some work done πŸ˜„

2018-07-24 08:26:17 UTC

You can tag me some responses if we should continue the discussion

2018-07-24 08:29:18 UTC

Because you can not prove the alleged axial rotation rotation of the earth, you are assuming it's real. So this is just speculation on your part isn't it? How, when and where was the speed of the axial rotation of the earth measured, and what instruments were used? With all due respect Sir, I don't care for your opinion on the matter. You need to bring science and scientific data. Experiments and such.

2018-07-24 08:41:16 UTC

This experiment uses an actual aircraft directional heading indicator to prove that the earth is completely and utterly motionless. If you are interested in the subject matter - this is one of the most important bits of Flat Earth evidence you'll find anywhere. I implore the reader to watch the entire two-hour video and read this well-researched article. Gyroscopes are the ball-earth's worst nightmare and is un-debunkable.

2018-07-24 10:44:34 UTC

@Deejay from Earth good one on the gyro proof

2018-07-24 10:53:45 UTC

@rob Cheers bud

2018-07-24 11:28:51 UTC

Good to see some decent engagement among everyone, some real discord on discord here lol πŸ™‚ DeeJay you hold your ground firmly, if there was anything that would ever prove you wrong, what would that be? I'm curious to know whether there is any hard evidence that would you would consider undeniable if presented to you? πŸ€”

2018-07-24 11:45:43 UTC

@Sheamus Thanks and what a great question. I love questions even more than answers - answers are over so quickly - but the real joy is in the journey to the answer. Getting back to your question - if a Globulist was going to try and prove the movement of the earth - what if I told you this heading indicator used in the video is the one instrument that is capable of doing it. So basically they would have to do a similar experiment with similar verified equipment - and get the exact opposite result.

2018-07-24 11:51:48 UTC


2018-07-24 11:52:07 UTC

@Deejay from Earth what about a rocket ride up into space to see earth for yourself? Lol, if some billionaire offered you that opportunity, would you take it, and if the earth is a globe from up there, would you embrace it?

2018-07-24 11:52:27 UTC

@Deejay from Earth I will pledge my life savings and my body to go with you beyond the ice wall if you can find a boat.

2018-07-24 11:52:49 UTC

You basically need one of those, an air-compressor and some valve bits and bobs.

2018-07-24 11:53:02 UTC

@Deejay from Earth Let's settle this mystery then once and for all.

2018-07-24 11:53:25 UTC

@$P!KY\/!k!NG ok cool lets do it

2018-07-24 11:54:02 UTC

@Deejay from Earth I'm not kidding dude. I will seriously go just to know once and for all.

2018-07-24 11:54:33 UTC

You don't even have to leave your house.

2018-07-24 11:55:39 UTC

No. If I don't get to scale that wall and find the nights watch on the other side, it is bs πŸ˜‚

2018-07-24 11:55:49 UTC


2018-07-24 11:56:41 UTC


2018-07-24 11:57:09 UTC

If those maps are legit and that one american navy officer who claimed that there is more land beyond the poles are legit then I want to see it.

2018-07-24 11:57:29 UTC

We can stop at new swabia

2018-07-24 11:58:17 UTC


2018-07-24 11:58:38 UTC

The challenger "disaster" was a complete hoax.

2018-07-24 11:59:21 UTC

I'm pretty sure you will run into some kind patrol, if I'm not mistaken, apparently there are no go areas towards the Antarctic that will force you to turn around, or it could also be part of the conspiracy.

2018-07-24 12:00:56 UTC

Would love to explorer the perimeter.

2018-07-24 12:02:23 UTC


2018-07-24 12:02:57 UTC

You'd need a submarine though.

2018-07-24 12:03:16 UTC


2018-07-24 12:03:54 UTC

I feel like we should be able to construct a proof based on known distances

2018-07-24 12:04:12 UTC

in the north vs southern hemisphere

2018-07-24 12:04:21 UTC


2018-07-24 12:04:29 UTC

I did cape town and beiruit but maybe 33 degrees isn't far enough south

2018-07-24 12:06:02 UTC

Yeah i wouldn't mind an adventure either, and see what there really is. If there will be a journey to the other side, I'll join in.

2018-07-24 12:10:06 UTC

@rob To prove ball earth, you need to: 1. Prove curvature exists as per eight inches multiplied by the distance in miles squared. 2. Prove that earth does rotate. 3. Prove Gravity. All of this as per the commonly agreed upon scientific method. There's a lot of semantics and this is a HUGE field, but that is where the game is.

2018-07-24 12:11:26 UTC

@Sheamus I'm serious. I have been looking into it for a few years and I'm not convinced unless I can climd that damn wall and find the nights watch on the other side.

2018-07-24 12:12:20 UTC

If new swabia is there I want to see it. If there is another continent, I want to see it.

2018-07-24 12:13:36 UTC

@Deejay from Earth what I'm saying is that the distances predicted by latitudes should not match up with the distances measured on the ground

2018-07-24 12:13:56 UTC

also length of twilight and sunset and sunrise times at various latitudes

2018-07-24 12:14:24 UTC

we have good independently measured data for distances between cities

2018-07-24 12:14:26 UTC

That's why so many ships sank in Antarctica in the early days of exploring. They were using the wrong map. πŸ˜‚

2018-07-24 12:14:30 UTC

@$P!KY\/!k!NG I'm serious too, if there will be such a journey, I'll be on board, I'm more inclined to follow that than take the risk to Mars to be honest.

2018-07-24 12:14:59 UTC

People have died and or gone missing.

2018-07-24 12:15:20 UTC

south atlantic is a scary place

2018-07-24 12:15:57 UTC

What adventure is without its risks

2018-07-24 12:16:06 UTC

But I want to get some data together and tell you about a certain Mr August Picard. Gimme a few. Also chilling a bit.

2018-07-24 12:21:20 UTC


2018-07-24 12:25:57 UTC

Popular Science Mazine - August 1931. Page 23. "Ten Miles High in an Air-tight ball".

2018-07-24 12:26:47 UTC

When asked about what the Earth looked like, Picard said "It looked like a flat disk with an upturned edge"

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