probably didn’t have the same luck in english

@Morning Dew but the explanation that could work on a flat earth isn't gravity. That's my point. You're trying to use a specific theory and say it's the same as a completely different one that would need different rules and properties. And no gravity still doesn't work on a flat earth, you're literally claiming that a completely changed version of the theory in the globe model is the exact same as the original, it's like saying newtonian gravity is the exact same as general relativity.

@raspberry curvature of spacetime?

i meant of the earth lol, but that too

both i guess

I'm not really talking about earth though

as you have claimed yourself, it is a phenomenon. A phenomenon you have CORRELATED with an equation. It does not prove that it is the only equation that can correlate with that phenomenon. emphatically, it does not prove that the Earth is round. that is called a socratic proof, consider taking philosophy and learning about truth tables, or keep rephrasing what you have already said, feel free to do it again, i grow bored of this since my ego is detached from this pointless discussion of semantics

i figure we got into gravity because of globe vs fe, but, same for gravity too i guess

in any case, still waiting for you to prove your “standard refraction” with an experiment

What's standard refraction

A common measure of refraction is the coefficient of refraction. ... One is the ratio of the radius of the Earth to the radius of the line of sight, the other is the ratio of the angle that the line of sight subtends at the center of the Earth to the angle of refraction measured at the observer.

is that it

@mineyful a convenient excuse

doesn't sound like a real term

Refraction is the bending of light as it passes from one substance to another. Here, the light ray passes from air to glass and back to air. The bending is caused by the differences in density between the two substances.

@Morning Dew there isn't one equation to describe said phenomenon. I've identified a specific cause for said phenomenon rooted in mathematics, yes. But this specific cause also implies other consquences of itself that have turned into predictions of the model. These predictions have been experimentally observed and proven consistent with the original model. Therefore we have not only attributed a cause to the observation but made predictions that have been confirmed showing our model to be consistent with reality.

refraction ^

look at that, he really just rephrased the same thing again, and still doesn’t realize that it doesn’t prove his point. how unfortunate, socrates would be disappointed. good day sir

i hope you find someone less intelligent to bamboozle, truly. your ego seems starved

A Socratic proof in E* can be transformed into a Gentzen-style proof in some sequent calculi. Next we develop a calculus of questions E**; Socratic proofs in E** can be transformed into analytic tableaux. We show that Socratic proofs can be grounded in Inferential Erotetic Logic.

don't think socratic proofs are debate related

rather socratic method is better fit

Correlation does not imply causation. ... The complementary idea that "correlation implies causation" is an example of a questionable-cause logical fallacy,

you would be right there

and there is too much ad hom here for my taste

The Socratic method, also known as method of Elenchus, elenctic method, or Socratic debate, is a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presuppositions.

idk if this was a socratic debtae

Just verbal beatdowns

you would have been fine if you didn't keep bringing up his ego

we’re done @Shadow✓ so go ahead and get the last word i dont care, @mineyful let me simplify it for you, since you seem to enjoy copy and pasting: the “standard refraction” figure implies downward light refraction. all experimental data implies that light actually refracts upwards. the figure is an excuse, nothing more. yet another piece of math that happens to correlate with reality

i bet the original socratic debates were socrates verbally beating down on people

maybe physically too

I don't think you even read the definition

wow you guys just love your words. i’m happy for you

Refraction can go any direction, depending on how it's entering the medium

Light refracts whenever it travels at an angle into a substance with a different refractive index (optical density). This change of direction is caused by a change in speed. For example, when light travels from air into water, it slows down, causing it to continue to travel at a different angle or direction.

@Morning Dew you're not actually responding to any of my points with actual science, rather making remarks based in either ad homs or evidence-less claims. If you seriously believe you're making any remote argument here by invoking a philosophical debate, you're mistaken. In fact you're somehow debating off a claim I never made, since you're saying that I've said there is no other explanation for this phenomena, which is a strawman.

depending on the angle changes which direction it refracts

depends on medium and source

still waiting for that experiment that proves light refracts downwards, but I’m glad your egos are in tact. if not, please continue writing irrelevant essays @mineyful INCORRECT, no experiment proves that light can ever refract downwards in air. that is simply a lie told to justify something that has never been proven

So essentially throughout this you've acted like a sophist

Stop you guys. LIGHT REFRACTS UPWARDS

🙀😂

Definetly seen your type

let them keep going, i don’t want to prevent their egos from being stroked, afterall its why they’re here

mate you gotta cool it with the attacks

we're just trying to debate

I ask rhetorically since i know there is no experiment to prove what they claim

@mineyful don't, he's baiting with ad homs.

Explain what you mean by "refract downwards in air"

yeah lots of loaded questions and ad hom

He's a sophist, no suprise

a person who reasons with clever but fallacious arguments.

I'm gonna head out now you guys have fun

“standard refraction” implies downward refraction. not only do you not have an experiment to prove this, but you contradict the equation by implying that it can actually refract in the opposite of what is “standard” and taken for granted in every equation. by all means, continue projecting sophistry onto me

As much as I try I cannot find a standard refraction definition, do you mind linking a source

I know you've already run away from our debate but in the end you've made no substantial claims besides using a strawman to argue and the consistent ad homs. So mate, you're a sophist.

can’t wait for more words that aren’t A)an experiment or B)an explanation for why you just contradicted yourself

you think i care if you write more essays about how you’ve won? go ahead, yours in the only ego that needs to do such vain things

link source please

@mineyful 7/6*R

and i'm still trying to find out your arguemnt

what does that even mean

Not writing essays, merely pointing out your fallacious style of debate. Another ego remark too, unsurprisingly.

It's the molar mass constant?

meta discussion, thats what you’re doing

Hai

That's far from a source it's just a term by itself with no context

Show. Me. An. Experiment. Which. Proves. Light. Refracts. Downward. As. 7/6*R. Implies. Or. You. Have. Lost. The. Debate.

What is 7/6R

where is it coming from

what is its name

and how did you derive it

Atmospheric refraction

look up the term “standard atmospheric refraction” and don’t waste time in a discussion you’re not qualified to have. i already know you don’t have an experiment, i just wanted to see how long you’d stroke your egos

apparently for hours

It's an approximation on the perceived effects of refraction on earths apparent curvature.

I gave you a bunch of tries so it seems like you're not up for a semi-serious debate

i'm heading off now

If I had a dollar for every ego comment I could buy lunch

you’ll write essays about how you’ve won a debate but never prove the assertion. as far as I’m concerned, finish your thesis. get the last word. find your climax so you can sleep at night. goodbye

Atmospheric refraction is the deviation of light or other electromagnetic wave from a straight line as it passes through the atmosphere due to the variation in air density as a function of height.

alright gn

@Morning Dew lol

I like your ad homs

They're pretty unique

Found your source: https://www.metabunk.org/standard-atmospheric-refraction-empirical-evidence-and-derivation.t8703/

1.) No idea if it's reliable
2.) No idea if author is qualified
3.) No way to check if it is right

I'm off to bed

"...This assumption is made so often that it's conventional in surveying and geodesy to use a “refraction constant” that's just the ratio of the two curvatures. A typical value of the ratio is about 1/7; that is, the ray curves about 1/7 as much as the Earth does"

is what san diego state u claims at least https://aty.sdsu.edu/explain/atmos_refr/horizon.html

Hello! My daughter is pushing me to research flat earth. Can someone explain to me this theory?

i'm not a great explainer o: someone else can better

Alright, thank you though! Is there anyone in particular who could explain?

there are actually a lot more members on here during the day

a lot of them just went to bed

Alright, I must be in a different time zone than all of you. I’ll check in later, thank you!

sorry i couldn't help tonight but good luck!

Hello

@Research_Flat_Earth my other account ; )

https://discord.gift/9v2natBXRwrYkRtM

Someone claimed it

Hello @Innovation

Lmao
You can’t hide from us Innovation

And you’re are welcome with the invite I guess

Why you no talk to us @Innovation 😭

He gave up

wasnt that a legit flat earth server before

not full with globe goons and idiots?

It is a debate server

So of course there will be people from both sides

@Tejiu The Gecko Surely all the best debates are one-sided?

Of course for a lot of people a real debate is just where it fits their motive

Also welcome to the ice wall Aegis hope you will have fun here

I am sure you will

these goons and idiots are from Team Sceptic server

And what?
Why is that such a big problem?
It is a debate server

hi

Hello

hey whats going on here

Hello

!mute <@183720042003693568> innapropriate profile picture

<@&484956102799261696> <@&484512215764828162> if he changes back to NSFW ban him, i g2g

Is that a shark with a gun?

I like it

How about a flat earth theory

Let me see why you guys think the earth is flat

Thank god.

Lemme see

ok m8

Thank you

<@183720042003693568> Which species of dinosaur?

I don’t see why they would hide it from us

:/

The real turkey-sized ones, or the huge door-opening bad boys from Jurassic Park?

Hey buddies

Anybody here know about the chemtrails?

Crop dusting, fire fighting, fuel dumping or the fake ones?

The fake ones that the government uses to make us see illusions.

Then no, I have no knowledge of those.

The chemtrails that make us see grass and trees instead of nuclear warhead silos in our own backyards

No wonder I can't walk to my shed

You keep tripping over dead bodies.

And, apparently, nuclear silos

*A guy trips over the tip of a nuclear warhead , thinking it's a garden gnome.*

I think the earth is flat but I don't agree with all flat earthers

Because the earth is not flat.

Every single argument for it I have ever heard , I researched and was able to debunk.

Bit of a contradiction there. I agree with your 2nd and 3rd statements though

"Why would the earth be a perfect circle" it's not.

We have hills , mountains.

The moon is not a perfect circle

The sun is not a perfect circle.

I don't think anyone disputes that, but the idea is that it's either spherical (actually oblate spheroidal with surface contours) or flat (actually flat with surface contours)

And I agree that NASA is sometimes wrong since they say the sun is a ball of gas instead of a ball of plasma , but why would they lie about the earth being flat?

Discounting the other even weirder possibilities that are occasionally thrown into the mix

And Abraham did say the earth was flat in the bible but that was just him.

Nobody else in the bible says anything about it

<@450367189065924612> People who value truth and knowledge?

Why would we be a flying disc?

In the grand scheme of things almost nothing matters, but meaning is defined by us as individuals.

When one side is right and the other side is a bunch of idiots who are anti-vaxx

The only conspiracies I believe in are aliens and the bermuda triangle.

I just entered this server for shits and giggles

Also , to believe we are alone in this universe is the most stupid thing in existence

We might see aliens

You never know

And people made time , an illusion that helps things make sense

Letters?

Some people in other countries name their kids with numbers

And majority can't win with some things

like Gerrymandering

K...

Welll , I'm out to go infiltrate a furry discord server

they have left the server

Why would the server be furry?

Well, just woke up... had my fourth charlie horse

What is the biggest cut/ jab i should use liquid bandage on?

oh goodness

liquid bandage smells like succ

a racehorse of charlie?

charles doesnt tow back hoe so i dont know what you're on about

Not sure if joke or...

So do you guys know about gematria?

yea the gematria effect

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/A7CGD

https://youtu.be/xwfMHT58y7E

@tripp

LOGICAL FALLACY: CRIMINALIZING FREE SPEECH: https://imgur.com/a/WH33TXc

Interesting @Seeker of Truth

33 is one of their obsessions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0LUUFQ4MNM

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2019/07/05/rampant-child-porn-sharing-discovered-on-pentagon-computers-hundreds-of-employees-implicated/

https://www.brighteon.com/6051939624001

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odrMVJLkUPM

the earth is a dinossaur

i have proves

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/354076916661092352/598170125132103681/maxresdefault.jpg

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why kick the chubby he is only exposing his theory

and sopa

you dont accept another theories that why you believe the earth is flat

MOSTLY FLAT DAY NIGHT FIRMAMENT: https://imgur.com/a/XPcE4NO
MOSTLY FLAT SINE WAVE:https://imgur.com/a/F4QkH83
MOSTLY FLAT EQUINOX: https://imgur.com/a/TyeNtO8

MOSTLY FLAT LIGHT CURVES UP: https://imgur.com/5Ul54c6

https://imgur.com/hHs3dFa

https://imgur.com/RrRVIgI

FES is not allowed here.

Banned

Hi @Seeker of Truth

hello

How’s it going @Seeker of Truth

@California Nightmare How / why do you have Platinum and Silver?

I think you should just have one of those...

Really?

Weird

fakes everywhere

XD

Lol

😛

<:snapsnap:484956825863585792>

@California Nightmare Don't be just another Hollywood phony.

lol

👍

!rank @California Nightmare

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That won’t happen as long as I’m trapped in the DMV

Oh you are a DRIVER of a VEHICLE for in-STATE COMMERCE?

I’m not a driver yet

I don’t have my drivers license

Are you sure you want to get one?

Not sure

I’m here to update my ID

depending on where you live, the laws and such, you may not need to