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just because I stumble onto it doesn't mean its less true or more true
How would you handle the claim truth doesn't exist the way you wish it to?
doesn't matter how you want to change truth
you can't change truth without GOD
Your conception of truth is a belief in-and-of-its-self; therefore, doesn't matter hwo yo wish to change a truth that—necessarily—pre-dates you.
GOD is the only one who can decide what the rules are
we are living within the rules he created
@^Kevin^ you know the biggest problem with the bible is most of its created under an oath not many commited too; and its very construction is a product of indoctrination/sedation
Right, but that's not true.
you can imagine that there is a huge space out there and we are spending tons of money to one day explore it, but what is actually happening is its a mass delusion and we are wasting money on a dead-end project that will never happen
clue -> haven't been back to moon in nearly 50 years
That's a non-sequitur.
@^Kevin^ I think you credit to much to "God" when there are so many steps between what "he" chooses and what those that channel spirit like us choose... like our dna for instance wasn't flushed out and formed by "god"... read the emerald tablets of toth some time and listen to people dive into it
imagine if you would a society where everyone was killing everyone else
our numbers would be drastically going down fast
as everyone murdered everyone else
I think the problem is that Kevin's defintion of "God" is his own belief-system
Which is actually incredibly blasphemous
my belief system doesn't change what GOD is
@^Kevin^ are there any "flash" names/titals of occult/essoteric books you could tell me you've studied/skimmed etc?
my brother studied the occult
waste of time
You're right—because your God is your belief system; therefore it could not change its' self, because you won't let it.
he told me that there was this mental magic few could master that was the ultimate form of occultism
agreed most of it is; how'ever its not in what you learn through the occult that changes you; its in the accumalitve sum of experinces that your lense of ego can draw from when subjected to an indepth broadening of such concepts
I was created by proxy by GOD, GOD isn't affected by my beliefs
Mhm, because your God is your belief; you refuse to re-evaluate your own worldview by saying all-caps GOD.
I think he deserves some respect and acknowledgement for being instrumental in us being here
Oh I think so too, I just happen to know what you're conceiving of isn't the Christian God.
defminitely not, I follow the jewish GOD in the old testament that promotes monotheism
thats like saying a I dropped a sandwitch by an ant hill and thus the next 2 generations where created by "god" le me; when they where already there, and i never changed them in essence
the same Jewish GOD that Jesus followed
The Jewish & Christian God are the same God mate
I don't follow Jesus, I follow his god
Jesus isn't a god, he was a man
Christians believe this also.
Jesus was a jewish man
not a god
I don't follow 3 in 1 nonsense either, father son and holy ghost are paganism
I don't hold sabbath on fake days, by a distorted calendar
So you're just a Jew?
I'm a reformed jew
I wouldn't say just a jew
do you know that jesus went through "Most" of if not all and more of the same traditional growth/practices that most shamens go through? in essence "jesus" was just another channeler and any of his followers could have been/done and acted as him and used the term jesus to cover for the identity of all those that did the work of the lord....
I would say I'm one of the chosen
one of the few who isn't running around doing paganism or breaking the 10 commandments
You mean like pretending to understand God's will and ramblign about the shape of the Earth?
That sort of Paganism?
I never said to understand GOD's will
I can guess at it but it would be guessing
You didn't have to say it lol
Inference is a thing that happens in communication
and the shape of the earth should be obvious
if you are clouded by brainwashing then you should break away from the brainwashing and look with new eyes on flat earth
then compare the two models
without looking at flat earth with new eyes, your already predisposed to think its hogwash based on the brainwashing when we were children
I'm not talking about the claims of Earth's shapes, I'm talking about the fact that, at least in Christianity, most would hold what you're doing to be sinful.
Look even the Globe is flat
they have globes in everything
@^Kevin^ you say the shape of the earth is obvious yet I've come to understand the shape of the earth is a product of nonthingness; in essence the "shape" of a shapeless entitiy something that isn't something can't have shape; so in essence I've come to see it as your think of the earth as some "thing" enwich has mass/matter etc in short your understanding of the potential mechanics of manifestation of which produce this reality is limited to a "mainstream" view of understanding....
I like how people would say that the earth is round, even though they meant it was a sphere
Spheres are round.
their are people out there who can tell a lie just from hearing it
yea, so are circles
My floor is flat
My floor is the Earth
So Earth is flat
wow that is terribly flawed
the earth is a flat, stationary circle surrounded by ice created by the sun moving in a circular motion over our heads
its called making fun of people....
you sound like a shill Human sheeple
yay are we witnessing another shill battle?
similiar to many shills who try to push flat earth falsely to make globe believers think their belief is valid by creating a straw-man
easy to knock down
critical thinking time : if time is an illusion then the sun and moon are a halo above the earth; thus does that make those with halo's connected to timeless spirits? then would the twilight zone be in essence a halo'less world of moon brought darkness?
No, I was merely trying to get into Kevin's jusficiations for his point of view; and they're not-surprisingly non-existent.
not a fan of shill flat earthers
Yeah bet you didn't turn up to FECORE laser tests did you Kevin?
kevin is troll, tooth
My floor is flat
My floor is the Earth
So Earth is flat
I presumed as much when he said GOD is flat earth therefore the Earth is flat lmao
The floor has no detectable curvature
its so painful cause its obvious
So because the floor is flat
you said this, its not logical, doesn't mean the earth isn't flat, just that you are pushing illogical arguments lik a shill
The earth is flat
jus like your mom
i'm just wondering who's paying him to be like this; or is this character how he gets off?
Lmao Kevin you couldn't define truth don't get into logic mate
It's not illogical at all, it's the most basic and obvious proof of flat earth, it's called opening your eyes.
That's called shooting yourself in the foot
you can't see curvature in the room of your house
the floor will represent the whole earth?
As a construction worker: yes, you can.
logic on point sheeple
you need at least 3 miles distance to see a small curve of 6 feet
based on 8 inches squared per mile curvature that is false
sheeple does not understand basic concepts
No room's floorboards are perfectly flat, that's why they warp overtime, water, moisture, etc.
Well if your floor is a frozen lake 23km long and you can't detect 25 meters of curvature using an 80mRad 3,000mW laser I would say that's fairly strong evidence the floor has no detectable curvature.
so room is not flat
also a hill could easily throw any findings out the window
there you go sheeple, earth is a sphere
over the long haul, you can see we don't live on a globe just by looking at the horizon
Wait... So you admit hills aren't flat so is it possible you don't know
Hills are hills
To be fair, curved terrain doesn't actually contradict the claims of flat-earthers, it only contradicts @Human Sheeple's
if you lived on a globe, and this is testable, you would notice it falling away, not rising to eye level
But the earth is flat therefore hills can't be flat. If you say a flat floor contradicts globe earth them a round hill must contradict a flat earth. It's the same logic
horizon doesn't rise to eye level
Why aren't frozen lakes conforming to a sphere 40,070km in circumference, 6,370km in radius? If Earth is a sphere of those dimensions we should be able to derive curvature which is approximately 8cm per km squared, it isn't there.
the horizen wouldn't be flat like that so far out too; after like a few hundered miles you'd clearly see a warping curve
if any of you are gamers, if you ever played in a game that tried to emulate the sphere we supposedly lived on, you would realize quickly that it doesn't represent our reality
we don't live on a sphere, gaming shows this
skyrim is flat
therefore, earth is flat
Kevin do you know how video games work
There are more reasons then that but ok
3 KSP Flat Earth Proofs:
1. LOST THE TECHNOLOGY..... Even without super heavy lift capability it is possible to create a modularly assembled star ship for relatively low cost using existing technology. This could take man to the moon and beyond WHY HASN'T ANYONE DONE IT?
2. 2ND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS..... Fly at a circular orbit of 70,000m and notice you can orbit infinitely. Fly at a circular orbit of 69,999m and watch yourself spiral into the ground. How is gas next to no gas possible?
3. STRAIGHT AND LEVEL FLIGHT..... Build an SSTO, fly at the horizon and watch the artificial horizon slowly get lower and lower as you fly off at a tangent, notice how real aircraft don't do this and wonder how straight and level flight is possible on a globe earth.3 KSP Flat
@ShadyMasterJ I agree—I think it's just that the more, and I do regret the choice of term, sophisticated flat-earthers essentially argue there's a bump-map of sorts on a round yet horizontal and non-globular Earth.
I know how 3D modeling works and I bought space engineers when it was being made
they tried to make planets and it was sad and pathetic in their early attempts
Human Sheeple quit gish galloping
they were trying to put us on a ball
too much of a ball, that isn't reality
You can go outside and try and see the curve with unbiased on for once Shady
You won't find what you are looking for
They have simulations of globes that work far better than a flat one. I could create one in a unity engine
3D engines don't represent reality because over long distances light bends an enormous amount
Too much of a ball, that isn't GOD
light doesn't bend an enormous amount
horizon doesnt rise to eye level
human eyes are circular in nature and most people have two of them
Hugh, that's just an optical illusion created by fish eye lenses c'mon
We all know that!
so we see with two eyes to gain perspective, which also has its own peculiarities
the line is
But uh @Human Sheeple The wing isn't tilted up, look at the indicator on the top
That's the point.
So air doesn't push the wings up, lifting the plane up bending the wing upwards from the stress strain forces? Oh no that would be crazy
you see the white and the green lines, sheep?
Tell me, can the flat earth model accurately predict the next solar eclipse?
imma watching this fresh video atm
why are you on about the wings, we arent using them
They don't believe in Eclipses, Shady
No they do
@ShadyMasterJ Saros Cycle yes, can the globe model predict accuratley solar eclipses?
Nah nah, kevin earlier claimed that the Moon has it's own source of light, its' own glow.
Says who Tooth
Because it does
Human Sheple, don't talk about flat earth when your a shill
if your going to talk about flat earth, at least come at it from a logical point, not a shill point
Yes. The next eclipse will happen in 2024. Accrually I'll be in the umbra
That's pretty dope.
In this next eclipse
moon has its own light derp
shill for who? I've wrenched on 24/7 probably when you still thought you could see curvature
If I don't move out of state
"From a logical point [like GOD]."
you follow flat earth society?
fuck no, Mick West's Dad is part of those guys
flat earth society is a bunch of shills
@Hugh they believe the moon and sun are in the same position in a solar eclipse
created opposition to create a straw-man
okay I appreciate your honesty
who is R?
I haven't seen a coherent explanation for a lunar eclipse
I have one, shady
I think that pic is modified, they took all the crosses and changed them to R's
Oh you think so?
Professor Kevin the modern day Plato at it again
just like all the CGI globes are fake
the wing is tilted
completely ignores the indicators
How do lunar eclipses work on the Globe again?
THOSE ALTITUDE AND ANGLE INDCATORS ARE FISH EYE LENSES, OKAY?
Hey how do flat earthers explain moon phases?
You don't know so you change the subject
damn you got me
R = Radius btw
Do I have to teach you your own model to show you it doesn't work?
GOD created the sun and moon
in 4th day of genesis
It's G—O—D at it again boys
moon is rotating around flat earth similiar to the sun, its like a giant time piece in the sky
not just god
I know my own model thank you
How do moon phases work on a flat earth
Yeah, it's gnosticism it's God's bigger cooler brother that wanks off everything I ~~shill for~~ know to be true.
it determined when to hold the sabbath based on new moon
So explain how lunar eclipses work on the globe then instead of dodging
How lunar eclipses work?
~~I know the answer~~