Thank you, Ian.

@Albo Greychak - MI You have been jailed for 24 hours for rude, disrespectful commentary about the deceased, even after announcement warning was clearly made by Admin.

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@johnnyc still 1 week, it appears.

Very based

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Can someone please relay my condolences to the gamer race?

You will need to wait until your jail time is up. Having other people post messages for you in the server is circumventing the punishment for violating server rules and org policies.

This is a vital message tho

Also what rule is that just wondering?

The "moderator is making a judgement call to ensure fair and impartial enforcement of the rules, including those in jail for violating the rules" rule.

This is anything but impartial

But whatever bro, enjoy flexing the green name

You are in jail. You have had your posting privileges suspended for gross violations of the server rules. Having other people post messages on your behalf would be circumventing your punishment. I'm sorry you don't think that is fair, but it is.

I'm in jail for something you retroactively decided was an offense, and I'm just making a joke

You clearly don't understand the suffering of the gamer victims of this latest tragedy

In all the time we're spending disagreeing about rules, why don't we ask ourselves, "What's the most valuable use of my time, *right now?*"

How can I help the organization get to the next level, *right now?*

Well I can't do much in here that's for sure

What small contribution can I make to better our situation?

And also I'm fairly certain saying "Richard Spencer is big gay" isn't a "gross violation of server rules"

I could be interviewing people right now but it's too bad that I made fun of a dead neocon which caused thousands of Americans to die for a foreign lobby.

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I'm an interviewer as well, I suppose I could take a couple once I get back from the pool. Would that work?

Not much value can be added in the channels besides encouraging others and helping them understand how to maintain and develop a good culture within the organization. I strongly criticized McCain too but did it in a way that didn't make fun of the fact he was dead or call him names. I realize you didn't make fun of the fact he was dead and probably didn't think that calling him gay would land you in here for 24-hours, but it's just a day.

I can't think of a worse culture than what happens in IE general on a daily basis

I can't see it right now but I'd be willing to bet you 100 dollars that its something about rune magick or the kabbalah

Don't think there's anything to be gained from this bro.

When any group discussion is not purposefully led toward productivity, goal achievement and enthusiasm, it goes where anyone wants to push it.

I've been in this organization almost since Berkeley in 2017, it's never been like this

You're trying to lecture me with this weird cult speak about productivity and goal achievement, it's just bizarre bro

That's why membership development is very important. We have two primary goals as a group. (1) To grow our network with high quality people that want to become the best version of themselves. (2) to make the advocacy of our issues as easy as possible.

If we want to have this strictly curated culture then why do we have IE general in the first place. It constantly degrades into dumb shit like this and it just gives an excuse to keep people on their ass in front of the computer

A lot of things have changed, Lincoln. But every change has been for positive and productive reasons and goals. I've been around for over a year, too, and am proud of the direction the org has taken on numerous issues.

Cult speak? What are you even talking about? I am saying that if we want a better organization with better discussion, one that is meeting goals and growing, it's going to take a collective commitment. Everything we've achieved thus far has been because a group of people decided to coordinate their efforts toward common objectives.

If you want to truly be productive why wouldn't you just encourage an active movement where people come out and see each other face to face

Shitposting in jail is a bad look, Lincoln. If you feel you were unjustly placed in here then send me a message.

I didn't want to waste your time, I'm sure you have much more important things to do than deal with this

Well, now I’m forced to deal with this.

No more talking in here for now, @everyone.

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@Zyzz @Caboose Both of you are jailed for 24 hours. That is completely unbecoming of IE members. Fighting in General, either jokingly or serious is not okay.

I want to apologize to @Zyzz for being a dick, I was just clowning that’s all didn’t mean to really piss you off

i am sick and tired of hearing shit in hear about italians not being white

@Caboose nah dude im still going to fuck your shit up

@Zyzz Keep it up and you're off the server. I don't want to have to separate you further.

No one will be “fucking up” anyone’s “shit” lads.

ok we'll see

The black cooks at my work were right though, jail isn’t so bad after all

@Albo Greychak - MI hey I have friends in jail too this is gonna be a breeze

This is not a place to continue conversation. If you'd like to talk to others, feel free to do it in other servers. This is more of a "time out".

Oh damn that just killed my ego

Unless there is about to be an apology, let’s cease typing and we will sort this out in the coming days.

I apologized for trolling the poor kid and he threatens me with more violence. Bad optics on his part, IE is explicitly non violent. Dude should have joined TWP instead if he wants to do that bullshit.

Not an apology.

Sentence extended + 12 hours. You also had the brilliant move to ask a member in general about Martin Sellner’s dick, so let’s not lecture about muh optics for right now.

This is not worth something getting kicked out of the movement over, believe me.

True

Let’s let this cool off and we will develop a final resolution soon and get back to you both.

Right on

Also is there a way to change my name from Kyle in birdwatching enthusiasts to “Caboose” like it is in the Michigan server

The mods can do that for you after the jailtime.

Bet

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@Caboose Please sit tight, Sir. @Reinhard Wolff will be with you shortly.

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@OMGDwayne 72 hours for that comment, that kind of language isn’t permitted.

Nothing wrong with having some fun, but you had a few remarks that were in violation of r12.

Things to avoid discussing: sex, masturbation, etc. You’re in mixed company here.

I am in jail. I haven't been in jail since 1987. Anybody got smoke?

Which comment though? Believe me, I'm sorry about it, but which of my many was the last straw?

The good, hard fuck one

Oh. Well,, seriously, I regret it. I will tread carefully from now on. Apparently I think i'm just a little bit funnier than I actually am.

How much longer am I in jail for

Your term expires at Noon CDT.

@Caboose You're back in jail

Caboooooooose

Idek what I said bad this time I didn’t swear I didn’t attack anyone

Cmon that was a joke😂

Pure sarcasm

You should know these days that the jokes don't fly man

We've got servers for this stuff

Gotcha. I’m just gonna stay out of the main server it’s obvious I’m doing something wrong

Dude there was just a lecture about how irony is not an excuse.

You've been in and out from here multiple times this week and we keep wanting to give more chances.

I won’t post in the server ever again. I’ve been in IE since January, haven’t posted a thing in it until maybe a week ago. Also I’m not this autistic irl, I’ve met most of you at the conference.

Some stuff is just way too much man. Over the top.

I don't want you to have to never post, but it's important to treat the server like a public blog or something you can be totally unashamed of. You are using something that hundreds of people have worked on and built up, and everytime you post, you are posting on behalf of everyone who has ever been and will ever be a member.

@Matthias I completely understand. If I do choose to post in the server in the future it will only be relative content with all necessary precautions taken into consideration beforehand. I look forward to serving our people and seeing you guys again at the next big nationwide activism or conference. With all due and respect, Caboose.

Thanks, I hope we can see you there.

This isn’t a channel for posting.

how much longer do i have

Given that immediately upon your previous release you wrote things like “Atomwaffen has good optics” and “Americans like jihad”, I think it’s best for you to remain in here indefinitely. You can still communicate with the locals on your state server, and given that you’re a cool guy in person I hope you continue staying active in your local chapter.

We can talk about removing you from jail the next time I see you in person.

@Reinhard Wolff No problem and no worries. I have plenty of patience. Please keep me informed on the next big activism! I'm always down to serve the organization out front.

That interview on the Today show was amazing. Great job Patrick.

Uhhhhh, why am I in Jail?

Yeah I deserve this

@Virgil because I said any more Islam posting gets a reprimand

wait what?

I missed that, my apologies. I just skim chat for the most part.

I also missed that mate

Also this

Yeah, I missed that too

Some of you that came later and might not have seen me say that might get off with a reprimand

Hang in here while I look into it

hahahahahahhahahah

I apologize, I probably should have known better with the pledges around, not thinking. But I wasn't saying anything potentially problematic, just peace be upon you and welcome in Arabic

@here Okay, which of you supposedly did not see me tell you to stop?

Me

The continued use came off as antagonistic after Jacob asked for it to cease, which ya, you're right, the pledges will feed off that and it sort of sets a bad example.

Me

I

Am I here as a witness?

I don’t recall seeing it, did you ping us?

I didn’t get pinged

But yeah with the pledges there it got a bit out of hand admittedly

@Gibson You literally reacted to the message. In either case, it's not my responsibility to ping everyone. If you weren't spamming, you would have seen it.

🤔 what was my reaction?

I wasn't paying too close attention to the chat, other than people just posting in Arabic

@Jawa @Koba Looks like you two joined later and the message might have been buried by everyone else spamming. But if you mess up again you're going back in here.

Don't show any mercy on these rule breakers

Thanks for understanding dude

@Virgil I'm looking into it

I understand & apologize.

Thanks, and just try to remember guys: most of the pledges are all on right now listening to orientation. So, excessive shitposting is a huge distraction for them and leaves a bad impression.

@Phillip Wiglesworth - FL I understand, I wasn't really thinking at the time, I got a bit caught up in the moment and I should have thought about it and stopped

Pledges? When did we start doing that? I've been out of the loop for so long could one of yall inform me on the pledge process

Not appropriate discussion for this channel, Caboose. Probably ask your coordinator to fill you in, brother 😃

yeah i realized that the second i hit send

np

@Virgil Okay you're out with a reprimand.

Thank you and I apologize, I'll be more careful in the future

Why am I in jail?

Yeah gills didn’t do anything

I’ll vouch for him

At one point I had both member and jail status so maybe it was accidentally added.

dindu nuffin

@ChippedStones You were Arabic posting with them

I stopped after I saw your text, you can trust me on that.

You posted after I did

@Albo Greychak - MI Okay so it looks like you came in later, but you can see why "Islam will dominate IE" probably isn't a good thing to post during pledge orientation, right?

Bruh

I mean of course

If I did then I definitely saw your second warning and stopped after it.

But who wouldn't know that I was being ironic

I mean common

I get it, but it's just not a good look that people join the Discord and see people spamming Islam for ten minutes straight

@Albo Greychak - MI Did you see my warning?

Not really I just posted that and kept lifting

I wasn't following the chat

But it's cool

Okay, you came in towards the end, so you're probably telling the truth that you didn't see the warning. It was also like one or two posts. So I'll let you off with a reprimand this time. Just give me a moment.

@ChippedStones I'm still deciding on you. You have a moment to explain yourself.

So I’m gonna guess you’re going through the audit logs and saw that I deleted something after your warning. That wasn’t a Islamic related post. Tide was saying something along the lines of “IE is not a dating organization” and all I posted was “it was for me” then deleted it. So you may have to check my redacted messages and compare time stamps.

What did you post that was related to Islam?

I was shitposting because I thought it was funny & other people were shitposting. I saw your warning & deleted it. I apologize

Okay, it seems like you understand, so, you're out of here in 24 hours

@Gibson You get 48 hours for complaining

Yeah, I disagree with that. I think I expressed more than enough reasons why I really shouldn’t be in here. Not only did I follow your instructions after seeing your warning, but I deleted my own posts and stopped talking all together and if my posts really did make that big of a ripple then why didn’t you jail me immediately? (It took roughly 10 min) I post one thing, and delete it after seeing your warning then get jailed for 24 hours? If this is the case then what’s the point of your warning? Clearly this isn’t fair.

You literally posted 2 minutes after the warning

Complain and you'll get more time

If you scroll up, I say that I saw your warning and deleted it after seeing it. If the others got off the hook while playing the card of ignorance, and I somehow get time while playing the card of honesty then this isn’t exactly a good precedent to be displaying as a mod.

If I scroll up you keep changing the story

Alright let's hold off on any further discussion for the rest of the night. Generally, jail discussion isn't all that productive. Patrick and I are aware that sparks flew tonight and we will be addressing it. In the meantime, no more discussion. Thank you.

@ChippedStones I'm letting you out of jail. After looking over the evidence, it seems you were a lesser offender and did delete your message. Admittedly, I was in a rush to get the situation shut down, and I can see why it was perceived as heavy handed.

@Gibson Your sentence is commuted to 24 hours

@Jacob thank you, I hold no ill will against you, I was just slightly upset. I’m sure we can put this behind us.

I also understand why you did what you did.

After all as you know I’m also a mod on another server.

I don't hold any ill will against you either. I understand that things get out of hand sometimes, and I'm not perfect either.

@Caboose This channel isn't for general chatting.

Can I get a day out of jail tomorrow to hear the major, exciting announcement tomorrow night at 8:30 PM Eastern at the Fireside meeting

Will ask Patrick, but I think that could be arranged.

cool cool

We can't let you out with our general population, but since you've been behaving we will turn the hallway tv in your general direction.

(not a real answer, I'll let Patrick handle this one)

I’ll have your coordinator pass it along to you. It isn’t terribly exciting.

Don't trouble yourself with that i'll handle it!

Is someone getting married or having a child

You went from asking to know the same annoucement as the rest of our members to wanting an inside scoop. Quiet in there, prisoner!

Just curious is there going to be security at the conference this year? Last year anyone could have just walked in because there wasn't anyone watching the door the whole time. I feel this maybe be necessary just because of how much bigger we have become, how someone managed to "infiltrate" it last year, and would not put it past antifa to pull something like they do at AMREN and go to the middle of nowhere, camp in the forest, and try to disrupt our conference.

@Ald 24 hours for the Auschwitz comment. Really, you have had enough moderator interactions before to know that something like that can't fly on here.

I did not think that joke could be construed as endorsement of any kind but OK, I apologize

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I don’t get it

That guy looks like a combo of Sam Hyde and Andrew Anglin

lol? Anglin is bald, and that *IS* Sam Hyde. It's an image macro meant to suggest the line "whats going on big guy?"

In other words, @Caboose why did you post this in here?

@Papa Pizzagate idk

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@Mr. Huxley - OH Do you think this is an NS organization with a cool facade over it?

No, not at all. I thought I posted a book which had significant influence in preWWII Germany so his friend could read it. I understand why I was put here.

You posted Mein Kampf dude

It's not like I was openly spouting the greatness of the Mein Kampf as the Bible, I was referring to it as a book which had significant influence as well as historical context, which would be a good gift for someone interested in WWII

I was about to post Churchill's memoirs too, provided I could find them.

https://m.booksamillion.com/p/Memoirs-Second-World-War/Winston-S-Churchill/9780395599686?gclsrc=aw.ds&&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrsndpviV3wIVggNpCh0P-A6wEAQYBCABEgKe5vD_BwE

@Mr. Huxley - OH You've got to understand, we don't get that kind of benefit of the doubt. MK posted in here looks like we are promoting it. Context will never be included by any infiltrators taking screenshots.

Plus, there's no need for a promotion of discussion about historical NS in IE.

posting mein kampf in server = bad optics

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"Optics" is probably the most overused word in the world at this point.

What's the point of optics when your enemies, who have complete control over the mainstream media, as well as major alternatives to them, would call you the same thing anyways, no matter your action?

Slander you in the same way and ruin your life just the same.

It has very little to do with "optics", and saying 'Screw it, they're going to call us nazis anyways" is *exactly* the strategy your adversaries want you to pursue.

You are just relegating yourself and interning yourself in a metaphorical prison everytime you use that mentality to justify the indulgence.

No, I am not pursuing a failed ideology if the past, I only posted a book from which it had influence. James fields Jr was charged and convicted on the basis of media slander and a rigged court system, not evidence, what do you think will happen to you?

This has nothing to do with Fields.

I thought we were talking about optics, correct? That is a case where optics mattered so little because we do not control the narrative, such that it does not matter what we discuss.

All the evidence was in complete defence of fields but because of what the media said and they convicted him on blatant false charges.

Why are we talking about Fields still?

And no, I wish people would in fact stop using the word "optics."

@Caboose 👀 quiet please

I was accused of bad optics and that is such a phrase to defer discussion or action. While I think actions and discussion should be well thought out, it should also be genuine, rather then suppressed because of fear of the enemy. I'm not discussing violence or anything that could be considered as such, only a book with historical significance.

The promotion of which has nothing to do with what we are building and is in fact detrimental to what we are building

And let's not just call MK a mere book of "historical significance" either lol

Stop typing @Caboose

Thank you

ok @Phillip Wiglesworth - FL @Matthias looking forward to seeing ya'll at the conference

What about Mussolini's 'My Life' is that aslo banned?

Didn't you just say you weren't interested in reviving causes of the past?

Which is it?

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I'm bringing up books of historical significance with regard to the second world war, which was my intention and as well as the context.

That's great, but it has nothing to do with and is in fact detrimental to IE so we don't want it in our platforms.

Everyone else here is onboard with that.

I was responding to someone who had stated they needed a book gift for their friend who has interest in WWII so I posted that and was going to post various books about it, not just ones from the axis perspective.

I was also going to post a book Patton wrote.

It’s R4, brother. We cannot have that stuff here on our platforms. Read whatever you want. Make private suggestions of books - in DM’s if you want. But here, IE, the org does not allow any NS or Third Reich materials on our platforms in any capacity.

Matt made it clear, but in case it wasn’t...I’ve made it clear at this time.

And specifically, because someone asks that question does not absolve the standards as they exist.

Okay, I understand, I apologise for the infraction. Do what you will, I am not the judge or jury.

Thank you

You'll be out in 18 hours.

@Gibson

After warning you, you continued being snide and rude to people in the server. You're in here for 48 hours.

@Sam Southern - TN The moderation team, with guidance from leadership, has decided to go ahead and remove your posting privileges for a minimum of 48 hours. There are numerous reprimands to your name for infractions we really cannot allow to go further without some form of higher action taken to show you that the organization really asks better of our members, and in some circumstances, require it. Please take this time to carefully consider your actions and things you say, which are indeed unacceptable.

If you wish to discuss it further, you may either DM me, your state coordinator, or ask here in this channel if you are comfortable with that conversation being somewhat "public" among all of leadership.

Interesting choice, okay.

It's a choice you were warned about by Tyler though, so you can't say you didn't know this was a possibility.

Not a big deal, no sense in anyone getting too impassioned over this, but we have to tighten the ship holistically when it comes to Discord and the cultural effects on the organization certain mindsets and behavior cause.

I was unaware the dissident right treated the word faggot as unbecoming, so I didn’t take that into account.

Not sure who would actually.

Second most recent infringement was equally ridiculous as the word nigga is identical to the word nibba with the added 🅱 meme. I disagree with the decisions, but I don’t make the rules.

What I like to ask people sometimes when their language comes off as vulgar and unbecoming, is, "Would you walk up to a stranger who just politely held a door for you, and initiate a conversation with them by saying, 'Thanks. There sure are a lot of fa*-*ots in this store. Aren't there?'" Would you greet every member at an IE meetup with, "Sup, fa*-*ot"? It's just unprofessional. It's not courteous. It doesn't give anyone a good impression of you.

I assume you’re late 20’s, maybe early 30’s. I would absolutely greet people with “sup fa-ot”

And really you can insert just about any crude vulgarity into that question to see if it fits the test.

The word fa-ot isn’t nearly as “unbecoming” to me as it appears to be to you.

Look, brother. You clearly saw in general chat that it wasn't just _me_ who thought that. It was a non-leadership member who first let you know it was inappropriate. Then Admin said something, and finally I deleted it. So it's not just me we're talking about. There isn't a single person in leadership, either, who disagrees with this decision. If any do, none of them have expressed such.