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Wat swot jy?
Did Willem ever appear with JF? I think they were supposed to do a stream.
I'd recommend he should avoid JF
I like JF, but everything he touches burns down
Willem can handle it
your somewhat right though
Yeah, he can handle it, but I still wouldn't recommend it
I don't see how it will cause him any trouble tbh
JF mainly tries to character assassinate people doing the same thing as him.
what happened with JF? I don't usually follow him, but I know he usually has quite a variety of guests on
I suppose, but it could paint Willem as something that he's not
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I don't really have that great of a handle on Afrikaans but I assume you want to know what I study?
JF has all types on, including far left.
Anyone watch the Spencer/Sargon debate?
Oh no it's fine, Comms and Psychology
@Cal oh cool. I know a lot of people studying that. Watch out for the propoganda.
Willem surpassed 11k subscribers on youtube!
I'm learning about multiculturalism now, sociology has me learning about Marx
Anyone ever been to/know anything about Kleinfontein? I think they are like Orania but not as developed. From what I've seen, their opitcs also are not as good. They legit have a guarded entrance!
@SGL I mean inherently it should have less of that. Although I agree with Marx on his conflict theory
Porridge is a really good content creator btw
Oh no, basically change in society comes about through conflict. He dumbs it down quite a bit to make it bourgeois and proletariat though
It's flawed though because humans cannot simply be assigned to two groups
There's much more nuance
What does he define as conflict though?
I know primarily of his economic theories
"Struggle against the oppressors"
Seems like an ideology of someone with a chronic victim complex
Yeah I disagree with that then
For example, change can be brought about by external factors alltogether
Or not even have the framing motivation of class conflict
where can we get unwatermarked SA parliament footage? I wanted to clip that part where Lekota asks who is not our people?
Lekota is a voice of reason that I wish we had more of
he's probs high IQ.
@Arm https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-JR9Voq8LwxPCxKwqieRpQ Parliament content is free to use, it belongs to the people.
Yeah, or maybe he isn't a puppet
Unlike *cough* Juju
I believe Julius was controlled opposition that decided to chew his leash
From what I can tell he's still on his leash
National asembly 14 may***
He's bankrolled by Stephen Koseff if I'm not mistaken
At this stage I think the EFF is the ANC's mouthpiece
The ANC being the instrument of the SACP
I don't know. The EFF is leeching support from the ANC
So 139 farms, let's take bets, who is it gonna be?
But I suppose that wouldn't matter if they were to form a coalition next year
Better question, how many of those farmers are going to resist
I once interviewed an EFF youth leader on radio. It was scary
Their stupidity is horrifying
when they start expropriating the farms, do the police literally show up at your farm and say you have 1 week to vacate the place? Or how will it work in practice?
Idk what the ANC's policy will be
I know what the EFF would do
@MaximusXVI Probably like that, yeah, Army has been training land removals as well recently.
So I guess cops and soldiers rock up.
Same as Zim
However once society breaks down
No the EFF wouldn't even use soldiers
Once racial tensions heighten to extreme levels, police and army desertions are inevitable
They'd just take the title deed document, change it so that the government owns your land
do you think some farmers will physically resist? I've seen people talk about armed resistance, but i suppose only time will tell if they are just talking big or will they back it up?
And then after a certain period, they'd force you off
@MaximusXVI I think those who get violent will get violence, and those who refuse will be forcibly evicted.
@Cal yeah I think there are a significant minority of whites still in both of those institutions
Can't imagine a boertjie cop would be pro stealing a farm
The real problem is the land grabs
That's where the problem lies. If we just start seeing mass invasions then things will escalate
@MaximusXVI If you comply peacefully you don't die or get thrown in jail etc. Regular government stuff.
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True. Do you think wed be able to get international support?
when are these farm expropriations supposed to begin? Weeks? Months? After the 2019 elections?
@MaximusXVI only after the elections would the ANC be able to actually amend the constitution to allow it
@MaximusXVI 139 farms have been identified (secret list) for the next few weeks, it's starting now.
And only if they receive two thirds majority
I'd like to highlight this as a racial cold war
@Arcade_Hustle they'll start preparing, but I don't think they'll strike. Not yet
It's the easiest way for me to explain things
It started already. Last night they illegally put up 300 shacks on a farm in Stellies
@SGL Zanu-PF in Zimbabwe also started before ammending constitution.
It's play-by-play the same thing.
Also months before election.
I guess so. If they do do that, it'll make it easier to drum up intl support
It's not that they don't see the parallels, it's just that they don't care
@SGL lol, no sir, you will not get support, you only hear crickets regarding this.
Because then they aren't even doing it 'legitimately'. As legitimate as robbing farmers could possibly be
This is going to spiral out of control either through impatience or economic collapse
@Arcade_Hustle well, it's hard to say. When I say support, I don't mean UN intervention or what have you, moreso these events might reach a politician somewhere sympathetic to our cause who'd allow some of our guys to get out
Like with the Russia thing
@Cal That's the point, the ANC will remain in power though, that's the desired outcome.
Or with Aus
I wonder if Trump will do/say anything. I know Ernst Roets was in Washington recently and met with some members of Trump's cabinet. Maybe they also have other lowkey connections/contacts.
I like Trump, but his silence is deafening
@MaximusXVI Trump has a very tough immigration stance, he is frozen on this topic.
Afaik, he's okay with job-based immigration
The European countries will help you, if you're middle eastern or north african
Such as the H1-B1 visa
So he could *potentially* allow some farmers
@SGL That's fine, but we're talking real existential shit here, mate.
If Trump did say something about the situation, it would definitely give it more attention. If Trump offered some kind of refugee status for them, it would open up the can of worms regarding the elephent in the room (the type of people the US wants/needs immigrating).
Far Left saying Far Right is driving this issue already.
Trump can't touch this.
He can. He has an anti media rhetoric
Save for Fox
With Trump, never say never though! I don't think anyone could have immagined the kind of stuff he would be doing/saying 2+ years ago!
The platform on which Ernst was
The left were a mistake
It's going to cost us dearly
Anyone trying to intervene here will be attacked politically
Dutton fucking exploded politically when he even MENTIONED it.
nobody else will risk it now.
Well, I guess it's up to us eh?
We will get food aid and sanctioned up the arse but only AFTER this shitshow, and ANC will still be in power just like Zanu-PF, and they will become MUCH more aggressive.
And once the economy REALLY tanks with the exproration nonsense and the flight/death of ever more white farmers, the government will be begging for international aid.
@MaximusXVI Yes, money which will be used to buy sweet German cars and guns for their warlords.
AKA Zanu-PF gameplan.
I really wish Trump would say/do something. I mean, of course the media is going to come down on him like no tomrrow. But, isn't it true that the people who hate him, are not going to stop hatting him, no matter what he does/does not do; and the people who like/support him aren't going to stop doing so! I mean, look at all the scandals/crap that has been thrown at him, and his approval is still relatively high for a sitting president, and it's super high amongst republicans.
African ruler is happiest when he controls votes with food distribution, it's the circle of life here.
My point is that, it seems like he has nothing to lose by bringing up the topic.
Saint Mandela, you really want to go up against the Jesus Christ of our time?
The political fallout would be nuclear.
Trump plays golf with South Africans, he knows exactly what's up.
Tough tough fkn call to make.
Yeah, true. I wouldn't discredit Trump, *just* yet though
@MaximusXVI our constitution needs to be amended first,nothing can be done yet.
As I said, this kind of thing could help him
Proxy the fk out of it.
that kind of shit
But, if you listen to his speeches and read between the lines, he gets a lot of trouble internally
I am familiar in the ways of proxy wars
Not with the media, but with other politicians
Dems and Repubs alike
@Arcade_Hustle Funny you mention that, I was imagining some kind of Iran-Contra scheme in which the US secret ships weapons to Afriforum who then distribute them to Afrikaner militias!
Who do you think would lead our side in a civil war
@MaximusXVI That's probably not as far out as you can imagine, Cold War never died it seems, we are definitely rightful China clay currently, they need our farms.
How many members does the AWB actually have?
I don't think so
I imagine they're highly secretive about such info
I think it's shortsighted greed/stupidity
Yeah, but the mines themselves are owned by rich multinationals.
The oppenheimers and whatnot
China is bigger than some rich dudes in London.
They move in they move in wholesale
ANC are commies, China are commies, remember that.
Wholly different commies though
Important to remember that
China doesn't like other brands of communism
@SGL China farms at max capacity they need expansion, and minerals from Africa.
There are hundreds of infrastructure ""projects" in Africa by CHina
Sure, but they already practically own central Africa
Imo, all commies belong in a ditch. They refuse to recognise human rights hence they don't deserve any
I know. Here they stick to financial injections and FDI's
If you can't pay for this "infrastructure", CHina then demands land etc and other things like mines for compensation
What I'm getting at is, they're playing the long game with us
They already got Sri Lanka to give them a port, clever guys.
But the food thing is a big thing for China, and these FKN Afrikaners are in the way.
I don't think they're the ones who pushed for this necessarily. But it will benefit them nonetheless
And these FKN whites are in the way of the mines.
If they control Eskom, and mines, and farm production, they're golden.
I just hope Africans understand that all that is going to go to CHINA
THEY can go get food from the UN
which will gladly use US tax payer money to feed their sorry dumb arses.
It seems plausible, but then it begs the question: what about Russia
So SA grain etc will ship to China, and UN will ship food parcels to SA.
Nice deal, everyone wins.
Why would Russia (another BRICS member) accept our farmers?
I'm sure some mines will be expropriated for Putin as well, yeah.
or his friends anyway.
fuckers aren't dying fast enough.
It's messing with operations.
If that was the case though, why wouldn't they just genocide us outright. I.e. not a slow frog in pot solution
They have the means
There WOULD be intervention then the whole game is over.
This is all very well calculated.
Intervention from whom?
The UN? 😂
@SGL It would warrant investigation and Chinese PLA and Russia would be dug up.
which would be bad for business.
It's much better to do what is done now.
Less messy as well.
Politically, physically, financially.
Just like how the Contra Cocaine scandal affected US business... (hint it didn't)
where did the twitter section go?
@SGL Let's just agree that there are those abroad who stand to gain a lot from this.
@SGL Especially mines, bribing the ANC and running 100% Chinese mines will be super profitable.
For China anyway.
They mine in WARZONES bro, make 100% profit and shoot any retard who comes close to the fence.
I agree people will stand to gain
But I don't think it's necessarily China/Russia
In order to get De Beers / Anglo-American etc out of the way you destabilize the shit out of SA
>implying it isn't De Beers/Anglo American's stakeholders whom are involved
Most probably connected to mines.
That's what I'm getting at
I don't think China is looking to take over *just* yet
Bell Pottinger, UK branch with lots of government employees working there.
Yeah you're probably right.
They're mainly focussing on central Asia rn to build that 'beltway' into the middle east
BEE and MIning charter plus this 30% black distribution bullshit pissed off the Lords so much they decided fuck SA we will mine 100% profit in warzone then.
I get your reasoning though and I believe there's some truth to it
But yeah I think the money leads elsewhere
Yeah, but if we were to look at China, it has access to most of the minerals we can provide already
Save for Platinum, which is declining in use anyway
Yes it makes it harder for them to have full control
Well it fucks with profits, these cats kill their own moms for $5