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2018-08-05 16:37:19 UTC

ahhh ok

2018-08-05 16:37:38 UTC

Wat swot jy?

2018-08-05 16:38:46 UTC


2018-08-05 16:39:21 UTC


2018-08-05 16:39:34 UTC


2018-08-05 16:40:02 UTC

Did Willem ever appear with JF? I think they were supposed to do a stream.

2018-08-05 16:40:20 UTC

I'd recommend he should avoid JF

2018-08-05 16:40:39 UTC

I like JF, but everything he touches burns down

2018-08-05 16:41:00 UTC

Willem can handle it

2018-08-05 16:41:12 UTC

your somewhat right though

2018-08-05 16:41:21 UTC

Yeah, he can handle it, but I still wouldn't recommend it

2018-08-05 16:41:53 UTC

I don't see how it will cause him any trouble tbh

2018-08-05 16:42:15 UTC

JF mainly tries to character assassinate people doing the same thing as him.

2018-08-05 16:42:23 UTC

what happened with JF? I don't usually follow him, but I know he usually has quite a variety of guests on

2018-08-05 16:42:26 UTC

I suppose, but it could paint Willem as something that he's not

2018-08-05 16:42:36 UTC

2018-08-05 16:42:36 UTC

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2018-08-05 16:42:42 UTC

@MaximusXVI he keeps losing co hosts because of his autistic arrogance

2018-08-05 16:42:46 UTC

I don't really have that great of a handle on Afrikaans but I assume you want to know what I study?

2018-08-05 16:42:49 UTC

JF has all types on, including far left.

2018-08-05 16:43:06 UTC

@Cal yeah, sorry buddy.

2018-08-05 16:43:10 UTC

Anyone watch the Spencer/Sargon debate?

2018-08-05 16:43:24 UTC

Oh no it's fine, Comms and Psychology

2018-08-05 16:43:30 UTC


2018-08-05 16:43:47 UTC

@Cal oh cool. I know a lot of people studying that. Watch out for the propoganda.

2018-08-05 16:44:00 UTC

@SGL πŸ˜‰

2018-08-05 16:44:31 UTC

Willem surpassed 11k subscribers on youtube!

2018-08-05 16:44:32 UTC

I'm learning about multiculturalism now, sociology has me learning about Marx

2018-08-05 16:46:30 UTC

Anyone ever been to/know anything about Kleinfontein? I think they are like Orania but not as developed. From what I've seen, their opitcs also are not as good. They legit have a guarded entrance!

2018-08-05 16:46:30 UTC

Ditsem! @MaximusXVI, you just advanced to level 3!

2018-08-05 16:47:57 UTC

@Cal I'm studying economics and trade. Less marxist propoganda

2018-08-05 16:47:57 UTC

Ditsem! @SGL, you just advanced to level 4!

2018-08-05 16:48:55 UTC

@SGL I mean inherently it should have less of that. Although I agree with Marx on his conflict theory

2018-08-05 16:49:28 UTC

Porridge is a really good content creator btw

2018-08-05 16:49:51 UTC

Class conflict?

2018-08-05 16:51:26 UTC

Oh no, basically change in society comes about through conflict. He dumbs it down quite a bit to make it bourgeois and proletariat though

2018-08-05 16:52:17 UTC

It's flawed though because humans cannot simply be assigned to two groups

2018-08-05 16:52:25 UTC

There's much more nuance

2018-08-05 16:52:29 UTC

What does he define as conflict though?

2018-08-05 16:53:04 UTC

I know primarily of his economic theories

2018-08-05 16:54:19 UTC

"Struggle against the oppressors"

2018-08-05 16:54:44 UTC

Seems like an ideology of someone with a chronic victim complex

2018-08-05 16:54:57 UTC

Yeah I disagree with that then

2018-08-05 16:55:37 UTC

For example, change can be brought about by external factors alltogether

2018-08-05 16:55:59 UTC

Or not even have the framing motivation of class conflict

2018-08-05 16:56:01 UTC

where can we get unwatermarked SA parliament footage? I wanted to clip that part where Lekota asks who is not our people?

2018-08-05 16:56:32 UTC

Lekota is a voice of reason that I wish we had more of

2018-08-05 16:57:04 UTC

he's probs high IQ.

2018-08-05 16:57:29 UTC

@Arm https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-JR9Voq8LwxPCxKwqieRpQ Parliament content is free to use, it belongs to the people.

2018-08-05 16:57:37 UTC

Yeah, or maybe he isn't a puppet

2018-08-05 16:57:39 UTC

thanks bro

2018-08-05 16:57:49 UTC

Unlike *cough* Juju

2018-08-05 16:58:47 UTC

I believe Julius was controlled opposition that decided to chew his leash

2018-08-05 16:58:47 UTC

Ditsem! @Cal, you just advanced to level 3!

2018-08-05 16:59:08 UTC

From what I can tell he's still on his leash

2018-08-05 16:59:17 UTC

@Arm I think it was NCOP 14 May.... lemme make sure

2018-08-05 16:59:33 UTC

National asembly 14 may***

2018-08-05 16:59:34 UTC

He's bankrolled by Stephen Koseff if I'm not mistaken

2018-08-05 17:01:07 UTC

At this stage I think the EFF is the ANC's mouthpiece

2018-08-05 17:01:27 UTC

The ANC being the instrument of the SACP

2018-08-05 17:01:36 UTC

I don't know. The EFF is leeching support from the ANC

2018-08-05 17:01:43 UTC

So 139 farms, let's take bets, who is it gonna be?

2018-08-05 17:01:57 UTC

But I suppose that wouldn't matter if they were to form a coalition next year

2018-08-05 17:02:10 UTC

Better question, how many of those farmers are going to resist

2018-08-05 17:03:31 UTC

I once interviewed an EFF youth leader on radio. It was scary

2018-08-05 17:03:39 UTC

Their stupidity is horrifying

2018-08-05 17:03:42 UTC

when they start expropriating the farms, do the police literally show up at your farm and say you have 1 week to vacate the place? Or how will it work in practice?

2018-08-05 17:03:59 UTC

Idk what the ANC's policy will be

2018-08-05 17:04:09 UTC

I know what the EFF would do

2018-08-05 17:04:16 UTC

@MaximusXVI Probably like that, yeah, Army has been training land removals as well recently.

2018-08-05 17:04:28 UTC

So I guess cops and soldiers rock up.

2018-08-05 17:04:33 UTC

Same as Zim

2018-08-05 17:04:38 UTC

However once society breaks down

2018-08-05 17:05:12 UTC

No the EFF wouldn't even use soldiers

2018-08-05 17:05:34 UTC

Once racial tensions heighten to extreme levels, police and army desertions are inevitable

2018-08-05 17:05:35 UTC

They'd just take the title deed document, change it so that the government owns your land

2018-08-05 17:05:37 UTC

do you think some farmers will physically resist? I've seen people talk about armed resistance, but i suppose only time will tell if they are just talking big or will they back it up?

2018-08-05 17:05:51 UTC

And then after a certain period, they'd force you off

2018-08-05 17:06:16 UTC

@MaximusXVI I think those who get violent will get violence, and those who refuse will be forcibly evicted.

2018-08-05 17:06:26 UTC

@Cal yeah I think there are a significant minority of whites still in both of those institutions

2018-08-05 17:06:48 UTC

Can't imagine a boertjie cop would be pro stealing a farm

2018-08-05 17:07:10 UTC

The real problem is the land grabs

2018-08-05 17:07:41 UTC

That's where the problem lies. If we just start seeing mass invasions then things will escalate

2018-08-05 17:07:53 UTC

@MaximusXVI If you comply peacefully you don't die or get thrown in jail etc. Regular government stuff.

2018-08-05 17:07:59 UTC

2018-08-05 17:08:00 UTC

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2018-08-05 17:08:01 UTC

True. Do you think wed be able to get international support?

2018-08-05 17:08:04 UTC

when are these farm expropriations supposed to begin? Weeks? Months? After the 2019 elections?

2018-08-05 17:08:09 UTC

Realistically speaking

2018-08-05 17:08:12 UTC

@SGL lol

2018-08-05 17:08:34 UTC

@MaximusXVI only after the elections would the ANC be able to actually amend the constitution to allow it

2018-08-05 17:08:41 UTC

@MaximusXVI 139 farms have been identified (secret list) for the next few weeks, it's starting now.

2018-08-05 17:08:44 UTC

And only if they receive two thirds majority

2018-08-05 17:09:03 UTC

I'd like to highlight this as a racial cold war

2018-08-05 17:09:04 UTC

@Arcade_Hustle they'll start preparing, but I don't think they'll strike. Not yet

2018-08-05 17:09:21 UTC

It's the easiest way for me to explain things

2018-08-05 17:09:21 UTC

@SGL Didn't you read the article, mate? They're starting.

2018-08-05 17:09:37 UTC

It started already. Last night they illegally put up 300 shacks on a farm in Stellies

2018-08-05 17:09:42 UTC

@SGL Zanu-PF in Zimbabwe also started before ammending constitution.

2018-08-05 17:09:48 UTC

It's play-by-play the same thing.

2018-08-05 17:09:55 UTC

Also months before election.

2018-08-05 17:10:06 UTC

I guess so. If they do do that, it'll make it easier to drum up intl support

2018-08-05 17:10:27 UTC

It's not that they don't see the parallels, it's just that they don't care

2018-08-05 17:10:31 UTC

@SGL lol, no sir, you will not get support, you only hear crickets regarding this.

2018-08-05 17:10:39 UTC

Because then they aren't even doing it 'legitimately'. As legitimate as robbing farmers could possibly be

2018-08-05 17:11:29 UTC

This is going to spiral out of control either through impatience or economic collapse

2018-08-05 17:11:42 UTC

@Arcade_Hustle well, it's hard to say. When I say support, I don't mean UN intervention or what have you, moreso these events might reach a politician somewhere sympathetic to our cause who'd allow some of our guys to get out

2018-08-05 17:11:47 UTC

Like with the Russia thing

2018-08-05 17:11:48 UTC

@Cal That's the point, the ANC will remain in power though, that's the desired outcome.

2018-08-05 17:11:50 UTC

Or with Aus

2018-08-05 17:12:06 UTC

I wonder if Trump will do/say anything. I know Ernst Roets was in Washington recently and met with some members of Trump's cabinet. Maybe they also have other lowkey connections/contacts.

2018-08-05 17:12:20 UTC

I like Trump, but his silence is deafening

2018-08-05 17:12:26 UTC

@MaximusXVI Trump has a very tough immigration stance, he is frozen on this topic.

2018-08-05 17:12:57 UTC

Afaik, he's okay with job-based immigration

2018-08-05 17:13:00 UTC

The European countries will help you, if you're middle eastern or north african

2018-08-05 17:13:06 UTC

Such as the H1-B1 visa

2018-08-05 17:13:25 UTC

So he could *potentially* allow some farmers

2018-08-05 17:13:27 UTC

@SGL That's fine, but we're talking real existential shit here, mate.

2018-08-05 17:13:32 UTC

If Trump did say something about the situation, it would definitely give it more attention. If Trump offered some kind of refugee status for them, it would open up the can of worms regarding the elephent in the room (the type of people the US wants/needs immigrating).

2018-08-05 17:13:58 UTC


2018-08-05 17:14:15 UTC

Far Left saying Far Right is driving this issue already.

2018-08-05 17:14:21 UTC

Trump can't touch this.

2018-08-05 17:14:47 UTC

He can. He has an anti media rhetoric

2018-08-05 17:14:51 UTC

Save for Fox

2018-08-05 17:14:58 UTC

With Trump, never say never though! I don't think anyone could have immagined the kind of stuff he would be doing/saying 2+ years ago!

2018-08-05 17:15:06 UTC

The platform on which Ernst was

2018-08-05 17:15:38 UTC

The left were a mistake

2018-08-05 17:18:10 UTC

Huge mistake

2018-08-05 17:18:14 UTC

It's going to cost us dearly

2018-08-05 17:18:16 UTC


2018-08-05 17:18:35 UTC

Anyone trying to intervene here will be attacked politically

2018-08-05 17:18:43 UTC

Dutton fucking exploded politically when he even MENTIONED it.

2018-08-05 17:18:49 UTC

nobody else will risk it now.

2018-08-05 17:19:32 UTC

Well, I guess it's up to us eh?

2018-08-05 17:19:40 UTC

We will get food aid and sanctioned up the arse but only AFTER this shitshow, and ANC will still be in power just like Zanu-PF, and they will become MUCH more aggressive.

2018-08-05 17:20:34 UTC

And once the economy REALLY tanks with the exproration nonsense and the flight/death of ever more white farmers, the government will be begging for international aid.

2018-08-05 17:22:52 UTC

@MaximusXVI Yes, money which will be used to buy sweet German cars and guns for their warlords.

2018-08-05 17:23:00 UTC

AKA Zanu-PF gameplan.

2018-08-05 17:23:09 UTC

I really wish Trump would say/do something. I mean, of course the media is going to come down on him like no tomrrow. But, isn't it true that the people who hate him, are not going to stop hatting him, no matter what he does/does not do; and the people who like/support him aren't going to stop doing so! I mean, look at all the scandals/crap that has been thrown at him, and his approval is still relatively high for a sitting president, and it's super high amongst republicans.

2018-08-05 17:23:27 UTC

African ruler is happiest when he controls votes with food distribution, it's the circle of life here.

2018-08-05 17:23:28 UTC

My point is that, it seems like he has nothing to lose by bringing up the topic.

2018-08-05 17:24:11 UTC

@MaximusXVI It's a really tough political call to make, mate.

2018-08-05 17:24:27 UTC

Saint Mandela, you really want to go up against the Jesus Christ of our time?

2018-08-05 17:24:36 UTC
2018-08-05 17:24:38 UTC

The political fallout would be nuclear.

2018-08-05 17:24:57 UTC

Trump plays golf with South Africans, he knows exactly what's up.

2018-08-05 17:25:01 UTC

Tough tough fkn call to make.

2018-08-05 17:25:38 UTC

Yeah, true. I wouldn't discredit Trump, *just* yet though

2018-08-05 17:25:47 UTC

@MaximusXVI our constitution needs to be amended first,nothing can be done yet.

2018-08-05 17:25:49 UTC

As I said, this kind of thing could help him

2018-08-05 17:25:55 UTC

@MaximusXVI Best he can do is try to CIA this sh*t.

2018-08-05 17:26:01 UTC

Proxy the fk out of it.

2018-08-05 17:26:14 UTC

Indirect shennanigans.

2018-08-05 17:26:17 UTC

that kind of shit

2018-08-05 17:26:19 UTC

But, if you listen to his speeches and read between the lines, he gets a lot of trouble internally

2018-08-05 17:26:21 UTC

I am familiar in the ways of proxy wars

2018-08-05 17:26:27 UTC


2018-08-05 17:26:38 UTC

Not with the media, but with other politicians

2018-08-05 17:26:46 UTC

Dems and Repubs alike

2018-08-05 17:26:55 UTC

@Arcade_Hustle Funny you mention that, I was imagining some kind of Iran-Contra scheme in which the US secret ships weapons to Afriforum who then distribute them to Afrikaner militias!

2018-08-05 17:27:24 UTC

Who do you think would lead our side in a civil war

2018-08-05 17:27:27 UTC


2018-08-05 17:27:31 UTC

@MaximusXVI That's probably not as far out as you can imagine, Cold War never died it seems, we are definitely rightful China clay currently, they need our farms.

2018-08-05 17:27:32 UTC

AWB remnants?

2018-08-05 17:27:55 UTC

How many members does the AWB actually have?

2018-08-05 17:27:56 UTC

@Arcade_Hustle you think it's China?

2018-08-05 17:27:56 UTC

Ditsem! @SGL, you just advanced to level 5!

2018-08-05 17:28:01 UTC

I don't think so

2018-08-05 17:28:04 UTC

I imagine they're highly secretive about such info

2018-08-05 17:28:14 UTC

I think it's shortsighted greed/stupidity

2018-08-05 17:28:16 UTC

@MaximusXVI They're a total honeypot now, same for Boeremag

2018-08-05 17:28:27 UTC

@MaximusXVI not sure, but I know they do still exist

2018-08-05 17:28:40 UTC

@SGL Possible, they injecting money into Eskom etc right now.

2018-08-05 17:28:53 UTC

@SGL They need electricity to power the mines they will own.

2018-08-05 17:28:53 UTC

@Arcade_Hustle who knows I suppose

2018-08-05 17:29:08 UTC

@SGL And the farms they will "manage"

2018-08-05 17:29:19 UTC

Yeah, but the mines themselves are owned by rich multinationals.

2018-08-05 17:29:26 UTC

The oppenheimers and whatnot

2018-08-05 17:29:30 UTC

@SGL LOL not after they're expropriated they aint

2018-08-05 17:29:45 UTC

China is bigger than some rich dudes in London.

2018-08-05 17:29:56 UTC

They move in they move in wholesale

2018-08-05 17:30:06 UTC

ANC are commies, China are commies, remember that.

2018-08-05 17:30:16 UTC


2018-08-05 17:30:17 UTC

Wholly different commies though

2018-08-05 17:30:26 UTC

Important to remember that

2018-08-05 17:30:37 UTC

China doesn't like other brands of communism

2018-08-05 17:31:01 UTC

@SGL China farms at max capacity they need expansion, and minerals from Africa.

2018-08-05 17:31:15 UTC

There are hundreds of infrastructure ""projects" in Africa by CHina

2018-08-05 17:31:22 UTC

Sure, but they already practically own central Africa

2018-08-05 17:31:29 UTC

Imo, all commies belong in a ditch. They refuse to recognise human rights hence they don't deserve any

2018-08-05 17:31:39 UTC

I know. Here they stick to financial injections and FDI's

2018-08-05 17:31:39 UTC

If you can't pay for this "infrastructure", CHina then demands land etc and other things like mines for compensation

2018-08-05 17:32:02 UTC

What I'm getting at is, they're playing the long game with us

2018-08-05 17:32:03 UTC

They already got Sri Lanka to give them a port, clever guys.

2018-08-05 17:32:22 UTC

But the food thing is a big thing for China, and these FKN Afrikaners are in the way.

2018-08-05 17:32:29 UTC

I don't think they're the ones who pushed for this necessarily. But it will benefit them nonetheless

2018-08-05 17:32:32 UTC

And these FKN whites are in the way of the mines.

2018-08-05 17:33:10 UTC

If they control Eskom, and mines, and farm production, they're golden.

2018-08-05 17:33:21 UTC

I just hope Africans understand that all that is going to go to CHINA

2018-08-05 17:33:30 UTC

THEY can go get food from the UN

2018-08-05 17:33:42 UTC

which will gladly use US tax payer money to feed their sorry dumb arses.

2018-08-05 17:34:04 UTC

It seems plausible, but then it begs the question: what about Russia

2018-08-05 17:34:12 UTC

So SA grain etc will ship to China, and UN will ship food parcels to SA.

2018-08-05 17:34:16 UTC

Nice deal, everyone wins.

2018-08-05 17:34:34 UTC

Why would Russia (another BRICS member) accept our farmers?

2018-08-05 17:34:39 UTC

I'm sure some mines will be expropriated for Putin as well, yeah.

2018-08-05 17:34:46 UTC

or his friends anyway.

2018-08-05 17:34:57 UTC

@SGL To get them out of the fkn way.

2018-08-05 17:35:07 UTC

fuckers aren't dying fast enough.

2018-08-05 17:35:22 UTC

It's messing with operations.

2018-08-05 17:35:44 UTC

If that was the case though, why wouldn't they just genocide us outright. I.e. not a slow frog in pot solution

2018-08-05 17:35:49 UTC

They have the means

2018-08-05 17:36:00 UTC

There WOULD be intervention then the whole game is over.

2018-08-05 17:36:17 UTC

This is all very well calculated.

2018-08-05 17:36:18 UTC

Intervention from whom?

2018-08-05 17:36:26 UTC

The UN? πŸ˜‚

2018-08-05 17:36:42 UTC

@SGL It would warrant investigation and Chinese PLA and Russia would be dug up.

2018-08-05 17:36:47 UTC

which would be bad for business.

2018-08-05 17:37:01 UTC

It's much better to do what is done now.

2018-08-05 17:37:05 UTC

Less messy as well.

2018-08-05 17:37:15 UTC

Politically, physically, financially.

2018-08-05 17:37:23 UTC

Just like how the Contra Cocaine scandal affected US business... (hint it didn't)

2018-08-05 17:37:26 UTC

where did the twitter section go?

2018-08-05 17:37:50 UTC

@SGL Let's just agree that there are those abroad who stand to gain a lot from this.

2018-08-05 17:38:06 UTC

@SGL Especially mines, bribing the ANC and running 100% Chinese mines will be super profitable.

2018-08-05 17:38:17 UTC

For China anyway.

2018-08-05 17:38:24 UTC

and Russia

2018-08-05 17:38:41 UTC

They mine in WARZONES bro, make 100% profit and shoot any retard who comes close to the fence.

2018-08-05 17:38:43 UTC

I agree people will stand to gain

2018-08-05 17:38:53 UTC

But I don't think it's necessarily China/Russia

2018-08-05 17:39:11 UTC

In order to get De Beers / Anglo-American etc out of the way you destabilize the shit out of SA

2018-08-05 17:39:40 UTC

>implying it isn't De Beers/Anglo American's stakeholders whom are involved

2018-08-05 17:39:59 UTC

@SGL Could be, EFF is funded by guys in London after all.

2018-08-05 17:40:05 UTC


2018-08-05 17:40:05 UTC

Most probably connected to mines.

2018-08-05 17:40:13 UTC

That's what I'm getting at

2018-08-05 17:40:30 UTC

I don't think China is looking to take over *just* yet

2018-08-05 17:40:32 UTC

Bell Pottinger, UK branch with lots of government employees working there.

2018-08-05 17:40:47 UTC

Yeah you're probably right.

2018-08-05 17:40:51 UTC

They're mainly focussing on central Asia rn to build that 'beltway' into the middle east

2018-08-05 17:41:11 UTC

BEE and MIning charter plus this 30% black distribution bullshit pissed off the Lords so much they decided fuck SA we will mine 100% profit in warzone then.

2018-08-05 17:41:27 UTC

I get your reasoning though and I believe there's some truth to it

2018-08-05 17:41:44 UTC

But yeah I think the money leads elsewhere

2018-08-05 17:41:47 UTC

@SGL SA has always been about minerals.

2018-08-05 17:42:19 UTC

Yeah, but if we were to look at China, it has access to most of the minerals we can provide already

2018-08-05 17:42:32 UTC

Save for Platinum, which is declining in use anyway

2018-08-05 17:42:37 UTC

@SGL Yes but BEE kind of bums out Billionaires.

2018-08-05 17:43:02 UTC

Yes it makes it harder for them to have full control

2018-08-05 17:43:25 UTC

Well it fucks with profits, these cats kill their own moms for $5

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