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Screw your optics, I'm going in.
why does the liberal media hate trump
Because he is LITERALLY a nazi.
They are so courageous and brave
Courageous coastal elites say mean things about hard working president
Paypal just removed services for Gab
Paypal is garbage in general
Maybe I can get them to cancel my account too
Wonder if they'll close my line of credit as well.
Anyone have the NPC meme ascii?
Who knew that you could fit so much text into a tweet now lol
annnnnnd I'm blocked now.
Is it just me or is the leftist fake news media radicalizing more liberals to do acts of violence
Its very clear that most leftists are mentally ill anyway
They're definitely sick in some way.
I think a lot of them want to be able to look back and picture themselves the way WW2 veterans look back at what they did in combat. I call 'em WW2/Holocaust LARPers.
We just don't live in the type of world that existed back then. Back then Nazi Germany was the enemy. These days, the enemy is the left and their fuhrer is the media.
Wasn't there some study that showed leftists had lower IQs on average
CNN is really the enemy of the people
Well the theory of IQ's were originally founded by leftists.
Probably as a means to keep blacks down, as has been historically witnessed.
Blacks commit more crimes on average because the leftists have been supporting systematic racism for their entire existence
When you look at the percentages of population versus the percentages of crime, it makes ya wonder what would happen if the US was populated by an 80% black population.
Well if the democratic party didn't exist and more black republicans held points of power probably nothing would happen
The left played the long game by shitting on minorities then becoming the party of them
I support Obama.
I’m a Democrat.
Time to `A S S E M B L E`
The enemy is upon us
You see what's happening to Gab right now?
Cia niggers at every corner
Gab.ai is being no-platformed by Paypal (Donations), Stripe (Billing), Joyent (Hosting), BackBlaze(Backups).
This is a leftist attack on free speech. Prepare your sleds for the slippery slope.
i love sledding
Unfortunately any platform that's owned by judens are subject to free speech restriction
People think the right has gone radical, wait until the left does away with the only bastion to free speech in existence.
Back to IRC.
Lol I wish
I'll go back to bbm
so why was i pinged exactly?
It's just so suspect all this bullshit happening before voting
i no nigger
It's more of a state of being than the color of your skin
Niggers are just overwhelmingly black
what makes me a nigger then
Dirty smelly loud uneducated foolish
know me 😦
And for that I am thankful
ok kike i go now
Go where you small sooty spook Sambo?
here is pic
i no have rn
when do u have then <:rempout:471736175141453825>
talk to me in 4 weeks
How come democrats don't understand how racist, misogynistic and xenophobic they are?
Sometimes I have to explain to people who are openly racist that they should be voting democrat. If they really hate blacks then vote democrat...
Keep that nigger shit OUTTA here
Hail Trump, Hail America, Hail Victory !!!
Fuck Trump, Fuck Amerika, Fuck Victory.
I hope Sand niggers and niggers race mix the white race out of existence.
@trash liberals or democrats have a higher IQ on average than conservatives.
But I've seen it divided up like this before where people have studied it:
Social conservative < liberal < libertarian (economic conservative)
Social conservatives have the lowest IQs, and conservatives who are more opinionated about deregulation and the economy (basically they are libertarians) have the highest IQs
SUPPORT ELON MUSK! HE WILL GET SOCIALISM ON MARS!
MARS IS THE RED PLANET FOR A REASON!
Yeah, let's just populate a bunch of different planets and test out all these political models
Socialism probably works well in space and in hostile environments, where the people selected for the missions don't sap all the life and resources out of their colleagues. It will take a few generations before it falls apart
Actually if there was Socialism on Mars it really wouldn't have any reason to fall apart since there would be no external pressures working against it
and it's unlikely there'd be any cultural issues that would develop since it would likely have a global Martian culture develop so there really would be no reason for it to fall apart
@raqdog socialism can only be achieved when the people want it and the alienation of the working class gets out of control, it's in our best interests to educate the working class about socialism
would any of you clearly understand why this society is completely fucked the way its headed? or have the comprehension level to know what happens when everyone has a piece of the pie. knowledge is a key factor when attempting to fix the complete fucked over children of earth. and crime, crime would cease to exist when everyone has money
@Silkiri Isolating a lot of high functioning individuals from earth and sending them to Mars would eventually result in a high functioning society, where the environment is so hostile that you have to be extremely clever to exist their. I dunno what kind of culture they would develop there. I do think socialism works well when everyone starts off nearly equal in competence and ability though. So if socialism would work anywhere, mars would be an ideal condition. Mainly because they aren't going to send a bunch of morons.
@THE-BRIAN 10% of the population falls below an IQ and competence that allows them to be effective at even the most basic jobs. Not only can they not perform very menial task, they in all likelihood would cause more problems than solve anything. Simply giving these people money to help them is not a good solution. And what about drug addicts? Handing money to someone with a really bad drug addiction is basically killing them.
Also, crime rates in areas where everyone is poor are low. Areas where there is a disparage of wealth, lots of poor and lots of wealthy, are where crime rates are highest. So being poor does not necessarily mean there will be crime. It's the introduction of wealth or money into poor neighborhoods that increases crime.
@raqdog socialism does not depend on everyone having equal ability
nor does socialism give people to unproductive parasites
i don't think you know what's socialism
what no, socialism nor communism has never been based on egalitarianism
Right, you can have socialism even if there are different abilities. But it doesn't work out that well
marx nor engels nor any other socialists are egalitarians
your getting the wrong picture here
egalitarianism is doomed to fail, no one advocates for it
You are talking about equal opportunity now
equal opportunity of education and jobs
that's what I have been saying, isn't it
Socialist societies advocate equal outcome
You asked me if I knew what socialism is, and I said "equal outcome"
And then you said no
Or at least that's what it seemed
outcomes can never be equal, we only advocate for equality on the basis of opportunity
I think the "equal outcome" your referring to is snlt
because no socialist is egalitarian or advocates for equal outcome
socially necessary labour time
So you are referring to socialism as equal access to education, jobs and medicine?
everyone should have equal access to it
regardless of their income or social status, its a basic human right
the right to education and healthcare is a basic human right, not another means to profit off
Ok but what ethnic group currently out performs all others in academia?
why are we talking about ethnic groups here?
im saying equal access to education
Because it's important, because this group isn't given equal access because of their ethnicity
And they are actually thriving even more than those that are given better access because of their ethnicity
I still have no idea why your talking about ethnicity, I'm talking about equal access to education as a means not to profit on.
I'm not talking about different ethnic groups having better iq or genetically superior
By subsidizing people's education with tax dollars?
I don't really have a opinion on tax as of the moment, but yes, education should be either free or heavily subsidised because everyone has the right to it.
Asians are thriving in academia and they need to out perform other ethnic groups in test scores and now they need to take personality test too
why are you bringing in ethnic groups?
do you even understand my grasp?
We shouldn't have to. The point is it could be divided anyway. Poor, rich
Ugly, good looking
It just happens to be divided by ethnicity
What is most uneducated group in American society?
your talking about division through ethnicity, I'm talking about class division here buddy.
Well the way you change your class is through education
so why did we bring in ethnic groups again?
@raqdog and that's why education should be universal and not be profited upon
Because it's a clearly demarcated group.
I see you mention profit again, why shouldn't someone profit off of it?
Someone is profiting when tax dollars are used.
because education is a basic human right, it should not be profited upon.
water and basic services are essential, would you like someone to cut corners and profit off it, at the expense of the community?
If anything, they profit even more, reduce their efficiency, because they are absolved of risk due to government backing, and they students will be worse off
Water isn't typically owned by the government. And when it is (read cadillac desert) it is a disaster.
the USSR made education compulsory and heavily subsidised for people up to 22 years old, look how many distinguished mathematicians, physicians and scientists they produced
If the institution needs to put perform its competitors, it will continue to improve itself. If it's told it will be subsidizing whether or not it's good at what it does or not, they are absolved of risk and absolved of needing to out perform eachother
Yeah but you are talking about a country that idolizes the United States
They collapsed during the Cold War because of communism, it did not incentivize their factories and government backed industries to do anything but pass preplanned inspections
why do we need to have competition in regards to education? Education isn't a business or a commodity here, it should be a human right
@raqdog the USSR never achieved communism, communism is the transition from socialism to a moneyless, classless and stateless society, and the USSR was none of it.
They would get everything working for a brief period during inspections and then let it all fail the rest of the time. Human beings are incentive driven creatures. We do the bare minimum to keep up
It's good to think about education like a right, I like that
But it is like a commodity, it's an investment in yourself
the collapse of the Soviet Union had nothing to do with incentives, the piece-shake economic model depdned on periods of rapid growth
in the 60s there was a huge debate on how to reform the economy
I think the only thing that kept the Soviet Union going so long was incentive to compete with America
They were so heavily propagandized
it would have still lived, the Soviets never hated the American people, they only hated the bureaucracy
Gorbachev ruined everything
They didn't hate us, they envied us
the military-industrial complex fell under the hands of the oligarchs
They wanted to be as successful
I don't think that's the case
but still, the achievements of the USSR under socialism was impressive
if they didn't do some drastic and wrong decisions the Union would have still lived.
Yeah, it's a good business model, I just don't think it's as good as capitalism
Capitalism is a good business model because it will quickly process and expunge other business models that don't work
socialism isn't even a alternative to capitalism
it's the transition from capitalism
have you ever read about historical dialectics?
Oh I see, well I would still think that medicine and education should be allowed to function under a capitalist umbrella
we have seen "how well" the education and medicine industry does in the USA under capitalism
Student loan debts are out of control currently because the education systems are socializing
Government subsidizing and risk absolving
Programs that try provide access to education for those that can't obtain it otherwise are doing the exact opposite of what was intended.
even with the government cutting subsidies private schools are still more expensive imo, the USA isn't a good example of nationalisation, a good example of how nationalisation worked would be the Gotha program
plus college costs keep rising due to inflation and them charging too much for it.
The tuition rises because of government involvement. I don't think more government involvement would help. Schools need to demonstrate that they are in need of the money and this leads to Soviet Union type mess where you start to have teachers faking test score, attendance records, and just ruining the kids
The incentive needs to lie on just being a good school because the school down the street is also trying to be the best
The incentive shouldn't be, pass 50
Kids with an A and get a bonus at the end of the year. Or demonstrate that all your kids can pass this standardized test and the government will give you a grant for next year
The kids get passed along in this process, failing as they go, thinking that something is wrong with the system now and not them
But they aren't taught it's the school system, they are told its republicans or it's their race, or their class
what? The Soviet school system was one of the best in the world lol, even with some level of corruption. Where could you possibly find a nation devastated by WW1 and a civil war, yet by the 40th anniversary of the Russian Revolution launch the first satellite into space.
idk about how grading in the USA works, so yea.
but in my country, government schools are one of the best, their free until tertiary education.
Ok, the soviets were smart. But the problem is, they were smart about the wrong things when they became adults.
I'd say the typical Soviet Union citizen was not incentivized enough to contribute anything worth while
Take a distribution of Americans and soviets and yes, you will have some high performing and low performing individuals on as outliers
what no, they had every incentive to work. Its a common misconception that under socialism there's no incentives, which is compeletiy false.
The majority of the population though needs incentive to produce
the collapse of the SU had nothing to do with incentives
I think it's all about incentive
Think about it like this, this is a bit of a rabbit hole:
no it isn't, it's poor leadership and wrong economic planning by the Politburo, and the collapse of the Union was further exasperated by a certain Gorbachev
In the effort to make an artificially intelligent robot. The hardest hurdle to first overcome is to get the machine to even recognize objects
The whole world is just one big object to the machine, it can't distinguish anything
Because first, before it can distinguish an object, it needs to filter out what's not important
And similar to this the way AI is being constructed, the majority of our circuitry is not actually reading what's going on in the world, it's trying to filter it out
These filters mean that we have to have a goal in mind to even make sense of the world when we get out of bed. For instance, you don't see the world completely when you hop out of bed, you'd go insane and wouldn't even be able to move. All you see are your slippers and an alarm clock
It's a bit of a rabbits hole like I said, but if you follow this chain of logic a bit more, you realize how goal oriented someone needs to be to function at all.
i understand your example, but incentivisation had nothing to do with the collapse or the SU, I alr explained the reasons why it collapsed
Goal oriented may not translate completely to incentive. But we build a whole narrative for ourselves based on these models we choose, socialism or capitalism
did you know that workers are actually more incentivised under socialism than capitalism?
this again is directly related to the theory of socially necessary labour time
Yeah explain that. You get snlt and it's like a currency?
it's a false narrative that the profit motive is what defined capitalism, under a capitalist system the profit motive only benefits the bourgeois and not the workers
socially necessary labour time is the amount of labour (in labour hours) a worker puts into his work
I thought this version of socialism only applied to education and medicine. How do you rope workers into it?
education and medicine are just examples
I think your on the wrong page, my friend
Yeah I don't get it. Is it like social security?
Are all snlt equal? If you are a janitor or a high level official?
no obviously, it depends on their profession
but the snlt is only temporary
under socialism we would have achieved post scarcity
so there's no need for wage labour or wages or money in general
Can we ever erradicate scarcity though. Isn't it just relative. You'd think the USA was full of people at the poverty line. But that line is always adjusting itself
Those poor people all have iPhones, clean water, flat screen TVs
eradicate scarcity? Yes, in a few centuries to thousands of years, depending on the rythhemic system of innovation. How many people in the USA are homeless, unemployed, can't afford education or healthcare again?
Lol it is not physically possible to eradicate scarcity. Do you live in an infinite universe?