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you're not blackpilling we just learn and move on that's all
Did you correct them, tell them the truth?
The normies around here unironically call both sides terrorists.
I correct them as much as I can.
not come out as a-r, just ask something like "why shouldn't everyone have a right to give speeches, even nazis?"
@northern_confederate think you're correct. This is just the beginning.
That's normal. They call both sides terrorists because they think everyone can get along at some point or that they can sit everything out.
you say it alienated people, but that is good. alienating people in BOTH directions help us. People being uncaring normies is what hurts us
Don't know if we all have the same goals though.
We're never going to win elections, we're never going to win popularity contests. But as shit gets worse, as we're proven right in everything we've been saying re: race & white genocide, they'll know who to turn to
when forty thousand violent communists are willing to initiate violence on a bunch of off-white free speech activists and shout nahtsee our best rally is the one we don't have
or they'll say 'screw the a-r, i'll start my own white nationaist group.' which is good too
in reality, and people wont want to hear this
antifa will always have a massive advantage in these kind of conventional rallies/protests
they have been doing this shit for a long time and they have the backing of large left wing institutions
artificial advantage created by the state but yes
we do not have their experience or resources
advantage is advantage
I still hold out hope that it's good for us in the long run, it did at the very least send the message loud and clear that the alt right is real and that we have numbers. That we're not just basement dwellers online.
yeah the underlying conditions don't matter if you're being stabbed (or railroaded for defending yourself against being stabbed)
we should rethink our policy of how/where we hold rallies, it has to be in jurisdicitons with people sympathetic to us
or at least to law and order
doing it in a place like cville will lead to the same results
a-r has had rallies before, successfully. cville was a fluke due to state gov going full-on anarcho-tyranny
best thing you can do is to get a contingent to go to the next MAGA rally and redpill folks there
I still believe the narrative is more important than the actual "protests" on the street. The right in America never goes on the street. They really are a silent majority. Use the evidence and culture we have to win. Everyone on the right hates the left, but especially protesters. Let's go that route.
The joos power is mainly media.
"right in America never goes on the street."
The right in america has lost for 100 years straight
I live not far from where Heimbach has had rallies before, the population here isn't immediately turned away, but they weren't particularly impressed with the TWP or the NSM.
This stuff doesn't work.
if we're doing any kind of irl shit it needs to piggyback off more "legitimate" groups
Most people here were annoyed that Nazis and Antifa were making the downtown inaccessible.
the best thing TWP does is when they go do volunteer work for local huwhyte communities in poor areas
rightists don't have the same desire to attention whore and cause disorder that rallies do
I agree. Much more of that is needed.
We do have our fair share of attention whores though.
Some of whom I like, but still. Cantwell and Baked Alaska come to mind.
while most rightists would agree with our right to rallies, not nearly as many would participate
We can look to other movements that have won. Front face in the suit, scary guys who aren't "connected" to the suits.
Many examples in history to follow.
we cannot simply hijack exactly the same stategies used by the left
because we are not the left
its not the same situation historically
We can though
also there was that one guy who remade the entire political landscape in 18 months
Left, right, Christian, muslim, communist long March, etc. Whatever works.
yeah but i heard he was a cuck for israel severus /s
but it doesnt work
is what im getting at
yeah we need more white blocs as spencer called them
IE/TWP does it
if this sort of street protest stuff worked wn 1.0 would have been successful
help poor whites and shit
Nah, scare the elite
the best thing to do would be to subvert existing orgs
preferably right leaning ones
Shit shit down. Nigs do this all the time.
Enoch used to harp on the fact that street activism generally takes place *after* you control the institutions and he was right
what works is changing peoples' minds, part of that is spectacle. Part of that is looking strong, not weak. Logical debate at other peoples' rallies only goes so far. its good, but its not enough
this is what leftists do that we could actually do ourselves
the elite are plenty scared. see the daily stormer
leftists did not get to do massive street protests until after they had subverted orgs
We did scare the elite. Cville absolutely frightened Jews all over the country. Probably the best part about it.
that fear happened after cville, was obviously a direct reaction to it
Paradigm has shifted. We're in tribal politics cycles of history now
scaring the elite does not mean you won
daily reminder that jews are literally constantly frightened
its part of winning
yeah jews become hysterical over everything
its not a high bar to get them to freak out
VC if any of y'all want to
but it's up to us to rile them up and show normies
that is their weakness, combined w/ not being able to see double standards in their favor.
Only the torch really was scary to them
if you think we are winning right now, i dont know what to tell you, we are not in any better position after cville
It's been a long time since people have marched by the hundreds shouting something like "Jews will not replace us!"
it would be worse right now if antifa hadnt shot themselves in the footy
if there was one virile German man left in a cage they'd all be scared of him
Clearly they see how things are changing.
Come out of nowhere, male statements, back into the night like smoke
I'll be in VC soon
cville was a huge advantage to us. Not fair to say "if antifa hadn't shot themselves in foot" because much of the reason they shot themselves in the foot was due to being enraged after cville.
Ok, let's see if we all agree. What works and what doesn't? I say the torch rally was perfect. Speeches in park at left city, not so much.
The torch rally was great.
I loved it.
Scared all the elite
only bad thing about cville was anarcho-tyranny, which still ended up working in our favor but at too high of a cost.
Torch rallies need to be a staple of our movement going forward.
I think they look really cool, but people associate them with KKK, but they associate everything we do with the KKK
so moot point?
yes, i've talked to a bunch of people who referred to cville
Ah shit, my phone isn't charged, scratch thay
I think that torch rallies are something worth making our own. We can do it. The KKK is in the past, we can make it an alt-right thing.
people who thought we were nazis before still thought we were nazis but worse. some people were horrified about violation of 1A, some were sympathetic
well it's going to be devisive no matter what, just need to figure out which angle is the best to work
Let's get gallup on the job and poll some normies
its supposed to be divisive, thats why we get media coverage
i will be open and say if you dont think cville was a disaster you are not thinking clearly
i know it isnt what a lot of people want to hear, but its true
i'm thinking just the opposite about anyone who thinks it wasn't a good thing
antifa was already fucking themselves before cville
https://my.mixtape.moe/nmqmpf.pdf GETCHYER STAWMAH HEAH, DAILY STAWMAH
I think a lot of people who were open to us at first have backed away from us completely. Because of the car accident. The event would've been so much easier to defend if that hadn't happened.
but cville fucked that narrative up a bit
like, what did we achieve that was worth several of our people being arrested
please tell me that
it wasn't worth the arrests, i've already said that.
And dozens of our guys losing their jobs.
Young strong white men are our only group we're trying to recruit. The opinions of others means nothing to us, that should be the general narrative. Recruit white men and show strength.
well guess what dude young strong white men dont want to join a group that ends up with people getting jailed and losing jobs to no good advantage
i will tell you that
We all see what's coming, so bring our men together.
pdf version of the daily stormer for this week
pdf version looks cool af
the trouble with being against public rallies with some risk is we aren't left with much else we can do RL that gets our message out. Torchlit rallies are great optics, but there aren't any optics if the media isn't there or doesn't care enough to play our footage of the events.
The Stormer will live on, if only in sneakernet.
If we'd packed it in after the torchlit rally, would the media have bothered covering it?
Why not get both? Flash rallies that garner public attention, and can't be antifa'ed
As soon as Spencer, Baked Alaska, Anglin, Enoch, etc. posts about it the media will cover it.
Punished Stormer was the best header yet
I doubt we can do antifa proof flash rallies
yeah, unless they were pretty small
Our vetting isn't anything like that thorough
We'll have to try.
i'd bet far more of our guys have regular jobs than antifa, so its a lot harder to set something up on short notice too. Can't just say "be at X in 24 hours!"
Everything we do is going to be called nazi. Just the fact that people showed up is a victory. This shit is going to be messy. Stop kidding yourselves, tpdb are going to make it way more messy than we want it even.
they're based around colleges and have nothing better to do with their time so they simply have to hop on the subway
The Stormer does look good in PDF, man Anglin knows his aesthetics
Maybe do fun cool artistic flash mob type stuff with 30 or less people that are thought provoking
Oh no, if I don't have a few weeks to plan it's hard for me, even then things come up.
Sounds like something local groups could do, wouldn't need a national mobilization
Yeah, just a suggestion if national rallies aren't working
we need a happy medium, a city that will enforce the law so we can hold a rally while masses of antifa jabber at the cops & media covers the whole circus, while we get talking points out
I wonder if these people ever realize I am lampooing the shit out of them.
It's hard to get talking points out when antifa drowns out the speakers.
Shifting culture and building connections is the biggest thing, rallies can help with both those things, but they have downsides too.
media gives interviews, just have to make sure its not cantwell ranting about guns & violence 😉
Nice one NSA
Media is going to try to sound bite you
IMO we should always have at least two of our own guys recording every time the media interviews anything.
And the real interview should be spread as broadly as possible
They will ask you loaded questions, and berate you while you try to talk, then ask another loaded question
thats why only leaders should talk to them, that is part of their job if they want to do RL events
Yeah you need to be a bigger brain nibba
It's not below the media to cut what you said into sounding as bad as it can possibly be.
Below? You mean main goal haha
you ignore them, & just give talking points. Relisten to "Follow the White Rabbit" early episodes for tips
Also, let's leave rally planning to more experienced people. I've seen a lot of people say this, but it's great advice. We can't let inexperienced people plan huge rallies like this.
before he started going on about nazi moon bases and ancient aryan space technology 😉
@Zorost I mean it's fine if you ar savvy but it's probably better to leave it to others
I actually want to hear about the aryan space tech first tbh
Do we have many experienced people? We've done one rally.
People love moonbases. Don't dis the Aryian Nazi Moonbase speak.
well more than a handful
We have guys who are good at organizing large groups of people, surely.
enoch, spencer, already have experience dealing w/ media.
Yeah, we have speakers, I meant organizers.
I really don't know
you'd think the nazi moonbse would have some experts on how to plan events, and send them down to help out
From what I've heard, there were clear signs that Kessler was struggling to keep this rally from falling apart.
When did Enoch deal with the media? I know Spencer is good at it but I didn't know Enoch had any kind of coverage other than stuff relating to his doxing.
It is a huge undertaking, I can't really fault him for having problems.
Did you hear with that guy who interviewed him for that book?
When he lied about being Mike Peinovich.
Enrich that pol fam.
No, I didn't.
Pretty good, he's a bit of an attack dog; but he knows what to do if he stays calm
Are you talking about the guy who kept mispronouncing shoah?
Imagine being this big of a cuck.
It surprises me a little that these people seem to actually think they are bringing the country together by their politics...
that's right, fresh elliot rodger pics
isnt venti a happa
The daily uh sowa
I don't think they believe they are doing anything beyond whatever their bosses tell them to. Their mission is to get their guy elected so they get the patronage, to support the party elites for the same reason
Did that guys' book get published yet?
That's probably all it is with them. Some normies do really think that way though.
she's a nigger
there was a reporter that read thru EVERY wikileak from Dem party, and said what really struck him was how not a single email was about what was good or right, for people or the nation. It was all raw exercise of power for the sake of personal & sub-group benefit
dems are da real heartless
RE: antifa, they straight up recruit homeless kids
provide them with shelter and food
I'm shocked. I don't know what I'll do with that shocking revelation. I'm really amazed. They campaign on being good and right. Why would they lie? I... I don't even know what to do with this revelation...
they use homeless charities as cover
yep dregs with nothing to lose
they also groom kids basically
like you can tell with a lot of these antifa they are homeless, or rich kids slumming
so, those people are the dregs
but in the background, the people coordinating this shit, they have years of experience with it
and we arent anywhere near there yet
Nazis used to do charity work, but it made them popular with the wider community. I think part of the reason charity is more regulated now is because the anti-fa types don't want to face the competition they did in the 20s and 30s, as Nazis are clearly better at real charity work.
their eyes in many cases are evil, soulless. I'm not usually into loony shit, but the eyes truly are windows to the soul
read about the shit that leftists did in the 70s and 80s
they are still around
they are going to do it again
1770s and 1780s? That was bad...
They never change, leftists.
But conservativism keeps moving left.
0 affect in his eyes, even when he gets excited about something
Look at what the weather underground and black panthers did in the 60s 70s
there isa great book on that, read a short synopsis recently. they were going fucking apeshit, and almost no one remembers it now
I have that book
What did they do in that case. I'm pretty familiar with the Republican\Marxist overthrow schema and they're following it to the letter.
We all seem to agree that charity work is a crucial part of our future, but how are we gonna start? What part of the country do we target?
Seems like nothing in the 60s and 70s could be as bad as what they did in their many other horrible playgrounds of death.
"Days of Rage"
I just mean for recent tactics
They really havn't changed much in the last few hundred years, though the groups and terms change to suit the situation.
stuff we can steal (non-violence stuff ofc)
great synopsis of "days of rage"
Now those fucking assholes hold positions as professors
Looks like the days of rage failed pretty badly
B Clinton pardoned several to get the puerto rican vote in NYC for HRC
Day of the Bowl when?
I mean, compared to the actual marxist revolutions, and the one upcoming
i've wondered about that. massive amounts of violence, yet it was largely covered up. did it fail, or did it succeed? What effects did it have on those familiar with it?
Twitter is a fucking gold mine of tears