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@Meerkat_RSA what happened?
@lekker man my Twitter is on lock down was informed via email from twitter
@Deleted User sorry was a bit sarcastic. He isn't talking about a actual war.
"Wage war of all wars"
Get ur rocks at the ready
@Meerkat_RSA why what did you do?
@Nidalap Rorrim whats your fur affinity?
just like the All Blacks don't kill the other team they are playing against when they do the haka (war cry)
@๐ง๐ถ๐๐๐ are you an anti-semite?
"do you see millions of ppl grabbing land ?" ...m the answer is no @Nidalap Rorrim ... but my context is while we don't see millions visibly, the millions are at the ballot box .... I'm trying to find the footage of Rama addressing a Cosatu meaning in which he spiritually called for war .... rhetorically perhaps ... bout unacceptable all the same.
no I love jews.
same, every month I watch schindler's list to remind myself of how badly the jews have suffered
Okay 128 characters should be enough for a password
@Nidalap Rorrim we can discuss the mechanics of politics all day long - the thing is, by tomorrow there will be a new drama or different stats from whichever party/media house has some interest .....
6 Day's ago
I think it's common knowledge that land is not what the people want, really ....
what do people want?
That's the big question @lekker man ...
""do you see millions of ppl grabbing land ?" ...m the answer is no @Nidalap Rorrim ... but my context is while we don't see millions visibly, the millions are at the ballot box"
Oh sorry @Nidalap Rorrim I didn't get you full para in... just the last bit
... gimme a sec...
If you are referring to the ANC getting votes, they always get votes. no matter what happens
It would be better if the government just granted the blacks land in the townships. then they could take out loans on their properties and develop them. They have been urbanising since apartheid. They don't want to live in the middle of nowhere rural areas where there are no jobs.
@Nidalap Rorrim ... what I meant was in terms of small fringe groups and millions not being at rallies etc ... they say they do/don't want this and that, then still vote ANC. So fringe minority is the invsibikbe minority... if that makes sense .....
yes and the context of that was ๐ท๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐_๐น๐๐๐๐๐ saying the majority are pushing for a revolution. a very false made up statment
someone join general
the majority party the ANC, goes along with what the EFF wants. its like an extension of the same party.
stop kakking on everybodies head and join general
That's why I posted the CR vid. @literally Nobody is right.
@Deleted User google the % of people those groups represent
@Nidalap Rorrim and the ANC is considering land expropriation because of the proposal made by the EFF, what is your point again?
GG @๐ง๐ถ๐๐๐, you just advanced to level 2!
@๐ง๐ถ๐๐๐ Titus, your not part of this conversation because you cant keep up, scroll up and look for yourself
you are disputing that it is not the majority. when the majority is clearly entertaining it and pushing it.
does not matter that it was initially proposed by the fastest growing political party which is still quite small. because the majority picked it up and ran with it.
who are you guys voting for?
You seem to naively believe your own personal experiences over and above the reality it seems to me, so you are substituting the overall reality of everyone else with your own. The world doesn't revolve around just you and your quaint life in limpopo you know.
FN ftw
@titus If the ANC decided its time for a mass suicide everybody must kill themselves on Friday. Does that mean the majority want that ?
@literally ... give yourself a bells.
@Nidalap Rorrim ANC represent the majority vote. Are you able to comprehend that?
so your saying yes
That's what I'm saying. Majority agree via ballot box.
and ballot box votes regarding land failed
Why else wpuld they vote yes when they mean no?
Say yes to a poorly thought out comparison? Lol, would I board a poorly constructed building, plane, ship? No...
Ballot boxes for land? You mean hearings?
@Sheamus they voted on the subject and it failed
Or what did I miss?
What subject? Lol
i'm talking about the 700 000 written submissions on land expropriation
That's not a vote
Is already happening, and no one is opposing it
no idea why ๐ท๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐_๐น๐๐๐๐๐'s revolution talk got turned to land issues
xd
Exactly @literally
Wondering the same thing
deflecting pro that one
I dunno either, they keep crying they want a revolution and what needs to happen, and now it's happening.. Like I said, it's an observation lol
No one
Who specifically though
@WuldGoGayForLauren stop throwing spanners dammit ๐ ๐ ๐
no that little fly that keep buzzing around Titus
Commies and socialists specifically, all those in favour of big government to depend on
posting random things that trigger ppl
oh yeah titus is kinda racist
@Deleted User read please I said Titus
A bit passive aggressive..
ja well this channel does that to a person
@Nidalap Rorrim Fair tbh...
;p
why is Titus racist?
@Nidalap Rorrim cool your jets ... This is discord.
Lol
Lol I like the disagreement... Echo Chambers to program NPC's aren't all that great
@Apollo how many times have I told you not to make me laugh when I'm in combat mode! Fucks sake man! ๐
@lekker man Deleted a post after we were talking about land reform and revolutions
"๐ต ๐ซ"
And some nazi memes
woah, whoever smokes that will have their face blown off
etc @lekker man
@Sheamus well we were having a good convo and then ppl jumped on their high horses and derailed it
Probs
xd
I reckon so @WuldGoGayForLauren
It's okay, it's a public conversation. No one is in the wrong really, but could help to get deal with it and get back on track
Ok. Silence in the room. Go for it Literally and Nida .... We will watch and learn. As a chick I'll do it in the kitchen ๐
no i'm all for public convo's as long as its not repeating the same thing over and over because ppl cant scroll up
Yeah we can.
@Nidalap Rorrim u seem annoyed xd
Which once again I wouldn't blame u this chat gets cancer sometimes
wtf
I didn't delete anything
Im not kaaplander
I think it basically just boils down to me not agreeing with @Sheamus that the majority is calling for a revolution
@lekker man not u
Titus
I was responding to your question
opinions can differ so lets leave it at that
@Nidalap Rorrim How was ur day
;>
PostiveVibes
Literally when are you gonna join us in vc?
Perception differs, ideas differ, opinions differ. Have to sit down and reason about it, disagreement is fine, so long as its civil.
hehe ja you can do that
I dunno, if I go on voice I have other groups where I go into voice, that's why I don't hang around in voice here lol
@Nidalap Rorrim let's do ... after Renaldo's stream. I think there's a good discussion here and probs a lot more sensible than typing out. Hard to gauge tone. You in @literally? And why not join here. Most convos are quite chilled ...
Voice channel here is shit u aint missin out on much
I love vc @WuldGoGayForLauren
hm
Usually ends up in a discussion about furries
I hate it
@Apollo must smash that mute button!
Is not that I have anything against you guys that I don't want to chat here lol, I'll maybe check it out sometime, listen in and if I feel the need to add my 2c I'll do so.
Yeah that furry shite is rather annoying to be honest. There are dedicated groups and communities for that shit, dunno why it keeps crawling into every space it can.
If it's not about furries it's about Peppermint's boyfriend...
It's honestly a shithole
Lol
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Come to think of it, a good comparison to give perspective of what I mean to be the issue regarding the "majority", remember that video Renaldo did on the lady that got choked and robbed on public and broad daylight while the people all around didn't even react to it, just pretended like nothing is happening, and even laughing at it. You certainly can say that the majority there didn't Rob her, it was the fringe minority there that did, but if the majority isn't responding to it at all, it makes them complicit doesn't it? In principle, it's the same thing, that's what I'm hitting on. Different context, but same principle.
if someone is a problem in voice chat or constantly derails conversations we will remove him/mute him, because I get that certain people chase away other from talking in voice chat
I agree with what your saying. But my issue is that completely loses its context if you compress all that and just say the "majority" wants something in one short sentence.
The majority discussion came from when we were discussing your opinion that a group are pushing for a revolution
Yeah but the context really isn't the driving force behind a point, it's the principle. So to me if someone isn't actively making an effort to respond appropriately to a situation by good reason, as they would like to others to respond to them in that situation, then it only informs me that they agree with what's going on. That's complicit to me, and others seem to agree with that too. So majority is what it is, this is after all what majority rule is, majority dictates what reality is.
are you saying the ANC are pushing it or did you mean the little groups like EFF and BLF
Yes and the reality is that the revolution as they dictate it, is happening in reality... By who's will is it happening?
I'm saying the majority as in everyone all together, the majority of that. Not a specific party, race, gender, sexuality or anything.
nope don't see that happening. Humans are way to chaotic for a organized act as a revolution on the scale your talking about.
@WuldGoGayForLauren yeah I don't like furries either
Lol well things are happening and reality is unfolding, maybe not around you and your immediate surroundings, but in other areas its very different. Nationally and Internationally, and if you pay attention, you might realise the objective truth probably isn't all the same as your subjective truth perhaps.
It happens every time the world is in peace for so long. (no BIG wars going on atm, i'm not saying there is no wars currently)
>what was comintern
>Why was Cuba and China and Russia in Africa?
Revolution my friend
Yes complacency is valid, point I was making.
Powder keg for a big war yes, Revolution no-way.
also revolution against what if you say its a global thing ? Who is going to revolt against who ?
Well looking at the trends, it would appear the focus is on identity, the divisions are occurring on those lines that people identify as, so race against race, class against class, gender against gender, nation, religion, sexuality etc.
We see the racist policies implemented, the sexist policies, the screwing around with the tax payers money and soon property too. We see the effects there of, and how bad it is, but the majority are the ones empowering this, and the majority is supporting it, and enthusiastically pursuing it, because why not, they supposedly get something from it for free, typical socialist idealogy, so they vote according to that, do you know how scary it is that so many socialists think freedom is defined as getting things for free from the government?
So it's happening, there doesn't seem to be much resistance to it either, and things are predictably falling apart. A revelution is the forcible overthrow of a government system, in favour of another government system. Now if you have been paying attention, you would know there is a trending idea that apartheid still is going on, because white privilege and white monopoly capital or something like that, and that's the evil oppressors that need to be overthrown.
I dunno why you doubt the very evident signs though.
It's an actual conspiracy sold off as the truth, but the truth is being denounced as conspiracies lol like when Ramaphosa openly and deliberately denied what's going on when the governments own records prove him wrong, that's supposedly a conspiracy.
Does it not occur to you that things are backwards from how it should be?
"I dunno why you doubt the very evident signs though" because this shit has been going on since the first human left his cave.
everything isn't a "sign"
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GG @Koloth the Klingon Porn Star, you just advanced to level 2!
"Ramaphosa openly and deliberately denied" oh no we have a corrupt president been there done that
did the world end ?
don't think there is a country in the world that didn't have its fair share of corrupt presidents
Yes, and we've proven that it doesn't need to happen and be like that, that's why we learnt to build walls, to keep the wilderness out, and cultivate our own eco system for ourselves that's safe and friendly, our own culture, our item communication etc.
there is alway's somebody looking over the wall thinking the grass is greener on the other side
Lol why are you so chilled about the fact that you have a corrupt president?
not chilled, just not crying wolf
its being sorted out
Yeah except I'm capable of making my grass as green as I want it to be, others that can't, will want to take my grass away from me.. So the point?
my point is that's as old as history
and we are still here
What are you on about? Lol "we are still here"
your going on like the sky is falling
Lol it's so backwards, that you could say the sky is falling lol... Dude, you have very low standards for what life in a society should be. This is regressive, you are supposed to be moving forward and progressing, as in away from that norm that is bad, crime should not be going up it should be going down, unemployment shouldn't be going up it should be going down, you get the idea, so you should not be making the kind excuses like its always been like this, so this is what the standard should be. And the scary thing is you take this low standard to the voting booth, as do the large majority. Its scary honestly.
Jis but he puts his back into that push
Lol
poesis
Thats her ๐
Lol oh boy
The guy on the left has a but on his gut ๐
I can't tag you @literally
I know you can't๐
I'm not part of the system๐
fish flakes
So they are smoking fish flakes? It does rather resemble it though lol
Lol
Since when do men do the dishes @Apollo
he probably ran faster
Lol that's gold
Survival of the fittest I guess
@Apollo can't be a true story ๐
Nice!
Might explain why Valve is so terrified about any third instalment of their franchises.
Lol I guess none of them had any providers...
You are posting like you have no issue
are you with telkom's LTE ?
my connection is also all over the place
@Sheamus I see you keep taking things ppl say out of context
@Sheamus I said : youโre going on like the sky is falling. What I am saying is you are running around like a headless chicken shouting revolution revolution! and your only explanation on why is this fear driven conspiracy theory: "Yes and the reality is that the revolution as they dictate it, is happening in reality... By who's will is it happening? I'm saying the majority as in everyone all together, the majority of that. Not a specific party, race, gender, sexuality or anything." You sound like a crazy person. Not once did I say things aren't bad. I just don't shit my pants every time I read the news thinking everybody is out to get me. โmaking the kind excuses like its always been like thisโ lol no Iโm saying your still here Iโm still here even though SA has been through much tougher times. grow a pair
the things we say are here, you can just scroll up. so stop saying I said things that i didn't.
maybe your just very forgetful. I'll wait if you need to re read everything
@Nidalap Rorrim what makes you think I shit my pants and running around crazy like a headless chicken? I don't shit myself because I already made it clear that I accept that this is reality, it is happening, and it's not okay, things are not okay. I'm not making excuses to justify it. And I'm not crazy and headless either because I'm preparing for the worst, and a revolution is certainly not the worst, though its up there among the worst. Its actually very reasonable to call it what it is, based on observations you can verify yourself. So whatever shoe you are presenting here, doesn't fit me.
nether am I lol. You sound like a whiny bitch complaining the whole time
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if your not complaining your fearmongering spouting shit like revolutions are planned
Where am I complaining the whole time? I'm engaging in a conversation with you, and we disagree, so because I disagree with you, that automatically makes it whining and complaining? Are you now reverting to shame tactics or what?
Revolutions are generally planned lol if people talk about it, and encourage it, and finding ways to enforce it, then that's a coordinated attempt valid as a plan.
"Dude, you have very low standards for what life in a society should be. This is regressive, you are supposed to be moving forward and progressing, as in away from that norm that is bad, crime should not be going up it should be going down, unemployment shouldn't be going up it should be going down, you get the idea, so you should not be making the kind excuses like its always been like this, so this is what the standard should be. And the scary thing is you take this low standard to the voting booth, as do the large majority. Its scary honestly." Are you now reverting to shame tactics or what? lol gold fish memory
man i'm glad we survived die nag van die lang mes. shoe was a hectic one
or that time IFP called a war against the boere
man barely got out of that one
No, it genuinely is scary, that's not shaming you because I disagree, it's just scary the way you are so chilled about the facts, and justifying it as, it's always been like that, and it always will be. You taking that mentality to the voting booth with the intention of improving the future, how then are you improving the future with that attitude, what do you know to be good, if all you know is that what we have now is how it always was and how it always will be? Crime wasn't always this high, neither was unemployment, neither was corruption. Dude, things can be better, and because I want a better future for us, I'm now whining and complaining? How backwards are you?
sorry should I use more emoji's will that make you feel more comfortable in this internet chat
What are your talking about? Lol I'm more than comfortable, it's clearly you that's uncomfortable lol
Are you now reverting to shame tactics or what? ;p
And what's with the night of the long knives, and the IFP boer war what?
again with the gold fish memory. I said multiple times I agree things are bad
your going to die of a ulcer before your revolution even starts
Saying you agree, and then in your action disagreeimg with me, means your words are not conveying the same message as your actions๐
lol again making up things. scroll up nub
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Lol yeah scroll up and you see for yourself, you keep arguing against me, while 2 comments away you acknowledge things are bad, so you acknowledge things are bad, and me making the obvious statements that things are bad makes me a whiney bitch complaining about things that are bad, that you agree with.
That's some mental gymnastics you pulling here lol
shame couldn't find something to support your lie ?
What lie now?
What lie dude?
oh is that it. lol so your argument is me agreeing with you is whiney ok.
soz was waiting for something better
"means your words are not conveying the same message as your actions" was expecting something world changing
man this is fun we should do this every night
No that's not the point, it's scary that that is the point you are making though. And no I was not expecting anything world changing, I have reasonable expectations for logic and common sense. If you say something, your actions should verify that what you said is true. If it's completely the opposite, then that's a lie, because it's inconsistent with the truth of your actions. So still waiting on you to point out my lie where I've been inconsistent, but the direction you took this conversation in has gone down a very childish path, which is becoming less productive.
bet you I can pop that vein in your head by the weeks end
If you think so, which I doubt would happen anyways. You are very quickly proving to be a waste of time with this childish behaviour.
ah no a personal attack ๐ฆ
It's an observation
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