>worship dead Nazis
>striving to be the Nazi everyone will worship one day

One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong.....

I'll be sure to look for you at the pillow fort & we can talk about it.

You can tell me all about how Alinsky would do it.

Great. Ill be dressed like that, with these goys

Looking forward to it

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals

That should suffice

Are there any other Jewish sources you'd like to refer us to?

I want to get up to speed on all my kike reading before we meet.

As I've said, your enemies don't play by Aryan tactics. Need to know how your enemy plays the game to beat him at the game.

No I get your point, out Jew the Jew. Got it.

Yes

Essentially.

Wait. Maci? Is that you?

No I'm the guy that can't wait to have this talk face to face.

Are you sure you aren't maci?

This is the same shit tier talk we had 400x

He's not maci.

The jew's game is rigged. There is no way for the Aryan to win his game. None.

But, you cannot lose if you don't play.

Reading alinsky is a proven means of effextively shitting them down

Shutting*

That's a bold statement. Provide us this "proof"

Kike: "Call them nazis, goys, that will shut them down."
Good goys: "fucking Nazis!"
Bad goy: *sieg heil*
Jewery: OYYYYYYYYY VEEEEEEYYYYY *Kvetching intensifies*

https://youtu.be/XOyHmAEPX4w

http://abc7.com/society/hitler-speech-blasted-over-newbury-park-schools-loudspeakers/2203985/

1488 ^^^^

I'd call that an overview, or a synopsis, not any proof of efficacy.
Also, @3:50
And when Alinsky was implementing these "rules," he was basically playing the commie side of the coin against the capitalist side of it. Same coin tho.

Laskey has been preaching that learn-their-tactics-and-beat-them-at-their-own-game line lately too, but even though I completely love and respect Jake, I just can't buy it...

Here's a synapse-snapper for you:
If I'm not a National Socialist, am I still a cuck for not caring one way or the other about using swastikas?

Oh boy, here it comes...

Fuck you all. I'm going to kick all your asses on site cause that's how to combat jews!!! TOUGH SHIT KING BIG DICK 100% NAZI

I don't understand the question

Oh. Question wasn't for me

If I'm not a National Socialist, am I still a cuck for not caring one way or the other about using swastikas? I don't think of myself as a National Socialist, but I see efficacy in flouting the system with transgressive aesthetics.

See, I am a national socialist.

.... and I'm a nigger aviator

also known as a black bird.🖕🏿

...and I'm an attack helicopter

I've advocated for socialism in an ethnically homogenous European society

So national socialism

No.. Wait.. I'm a Spartan.

@Australopithecus Jordan no you combat Jews by being a bigger Jew.

^^^ He's trying to trick me into identifying as a Bear Jew.

"Jew" is genetic not tactical

I thought genopolitics was our game.

This is war Jim. Tactics are #1

Maybe we should be who we are.

Whites.

White *Americans*

Seems like there'd be a lot less risk of coming across as pretenders

Whites

Not white *people from other centuries*

In spite of never insulting anyone

Wew

I agree with Justin. But I think the distinction is cultural, not based on country. We are *White Americans* culturally.

I'm fighting to tear America stem to stern. I seek to conserve nothing. I don't delude myself that we will be around to enjoy the fruits of these labors, at this point I'm having a hard time envisioning much labor being put forth. It's also exceptionally hard to have a serious conversation about any of this shit when you've got folks that can only communicate in half meme half English AND when you have yet to look a man in the eye. I look forward to having any number of serious discussions in person, we can disagree on tactics, not all tactics are for all men. I do vehemently disagree with the idea of using kike tactics or principles in ANY capacity. Race is an extension of soul. You don't have to be a NS for me to work with you.

For me America is over and Cascadia is a non-starter. I like the transgressive aesthetics of battle flag.

We are not under attack because we're Americans or Cascadians. We're under attack because we're Whites.

Those other things are red herrings and serve only to dilute the crux of the matter.

Yes, we're under attack because we are White. But White does not have a singular cultural correlation or counterpart, America is only one of those cultures. We are not Rumanian, for example

@My Name Is Hate the America you are referring to is also on my enemy list. I'm not referring to that America.

I prefer FPY's chapters in Imperium for a good summation

I didn't think that you were, I actually have no qualms with anything you've stated @blackhat 16

tbh I think White and European are synonymous

Again I agree

Racially

Culturally we have our own unique history which is not something to be particularly admired imo. We played king of the hill simply to immediately fork over the hilltop.

The problem I have with "America" "Cascadia" and even "National Socialism" is that they are all irrevocably tied to petite and bourgeois nationalism, N.S. to the former and America to the latter. Cascadia is actually linked to pretty much nothing.

I would love to hear more about your alternative when time affords us that luxury in the near future.

Eric Thompson coined a phrase and Acronym that concisely conveys my sense of identity: ORION - Our Race Is Our Nation

Which I fully endorse & I don't see that as being at odds with NS.

.... and whether I like it or not, this notion of identity has been the spoken and unspoken credo for at least the last three thousand years.

Oh, I'm not at all at odds with N.S.

The other part of my reluctance to stand forth and proclaim myself a Nazi is an attempted sense of modesty, propriety, humility and general good manners.

Almost all of which I lack. I say half way kidding.

For me NS is a spiritual doctrine. That's the door I entered all of this through after a lifetime of nihilism

The original N.S., in my book are in the same class as the 300 Spartans who made their stand at Thermopylae. Anyone still alive and claiming to be them is probably a very good candidate for an ass kicking.

So there we may disagree on our interpretation of it & Thus have arrived at different outcomes of appropriate responses.

It's interesting to me tha nihilism has come up. I've been trying to get a better grip on the concept of "active nihilism" which I've seen attributed to both Nietzsche and Evola's "Ride the Tiger".

@Jimmy Marr what's missing for me in your msg is the Soil half of Blood & Soil. You say Cascadia is linked to pretty much nothing, an argument that again lacks the Soil. But as an immigrant, I guess that's what I should expect from you...

No, @My Name Is Hate , we don't disagree on your definition of N.S.. I understand you perfectly well and respect your interpretation. It's more a matter that I feel like in our public relations we are best off to use words that correspond to their definitions in the standard lexicon whether or not we agree with them

Ah. The dirty "socialism" word

Yeah, I'm a post-soil kinda guy at this juncture.

@Jimmy Marr ^^^ Ashland Jack for the win

That was meant for your prior response

Yeah socialism is in the lexicon, too, and that's a problem, but I see the bigger problem as the connotation of a different nation (Germany) in a different era.

I think I'm with you @blackhat 16

Thread's moving a bit fast for an old man

Strictly as a metaphor, should Christians abandon Christ or the cross simply bc he was from a different era or locale? If a Christian follows that set of beliefs should they forsake the founder of their doctrine or it's symbols bc it has become "socially difficult"?

3...2...1...

I'm not saying N.S. is socially difficult, I'm saying I don't think it accurately describes who we are.

To me calling oneself an N.S. is not like being a christian. It's like calling yourself Christ.

Alright so there we do differ. You are dealing with all the fanaticism of the converted when dealing with me, I admit that. NS saved my life-period. Being that I am living days only granted to me through this awakening & spiritual epiphany, I have dedicated the remainder of my days to this most sacred of causes. For me we will be born again & again from era to era bc we are aligned with the one truth. I do not pretend to know "Christ" or compare myself to him, but I do intend to try & follow his works & example to the best of my humble abilities.

Are you talking about Hitler or Christ, or are they one and the same to you?

Well I am most assuredly not talking about Christ. But I was using that metaphor yes.

I see, so how is it that you feel we differ?

I don't see it as a "problem" to use the term that he himself used to describe his world view.

If it makes folks uncomfortable or has negative connotations. I tend to say that's everyone else's problem.

I see.

But to be fair perennialist/NS/fascist all mean the same thing to me, so I could probably just as easily use one of those labels, or even Sanatana Dharma, but given my nature I usually opt for the most cut & dry method.

I've got further logic behind the choice but I don't need to bore you with it here.

As you know, Serrano referred to this spirit as Lucifer-Wotan, and saw Hitler and the N.S. movement as on temporal manifestation of it. Typically the nomenclature of the spirit changes with the age in which in manifests.

The esoterists know it's the same thing, but the exoterics do not.

I don't dispute that. I dispute that we are in a different age. We are in the immediate shadow of its last arrival. I view us as being like the very early Christians to use the same tired metaphor that's never the less easy to understand. It is for us to carry the faith forward despite being fed to the lions. When the W.ill O.f T.he A.ryan N.ations manifest itself again, if at that point it chooses to associate new signs & symbols to our divine struggle then it will be up to that eras ppl to accept or reject.

But I do think there's no escape from the swastika tbh. You're as familiar as I am, I'm sure with its ancient ties to our ppl.

I don't even want to escape it. I love it. It's just a matter of where, when and in what context I want to display it, and whether or not I refer to myself as a N.S. while I'm doing it.

Right, there is some gray area to be had in between Manson forehead tattoos & hidden flags in closets. Again I have never excelled at grey, 40 years of black or white, so middle of the road is an admitted weak point for me. I suppose the argument that I'm making (along with a few others in this chat) Is that we will only ever really reach the revolutionary soul. The very thing that is a repellent to the average bald ape will act as bait to those souls accustomed to & comfortable with acting outside of the accepted norms, the revolutionary. My favorite part of Siege comes to mind "The crazy men of destiny"
That's who I'm on the look for.

I believe I'm talking to one of them now.

I wasn't talking.

Haha

heh

http://www.lulu.com/shop/james-mason/siege/paperback/product-23253653.html

Reading Together! SIEGE by James Mason - Books - Iron March Forums
http://ironmarch.org/index.php?/topic/5003-reading-together-siege-by-james-mason/&page=10

"To destroy the System is primary. To destroy the System without destroying ourselves is desirable. But with the System destroyed a new Age of Man can begin. One that can contain true justice and equitable solutions for all people. The Movement has always possessed sheaves of programs and ideas for building the Ideal State. But until the System is destroyed, by whatever means necessary, none of these fine plans will ever amount to anything more than a dream."

"If you suicide bomb you get 40 virgins from allah in utopia," that's what I've heard Muslims believe.

Destroying the system must be done on a psychological level first and foremost. The mind is a battlefield.

Does this fucking thing work or is this gonna be another thing that doesn't work?

yooo , my nigga khi on here

The power of the system is derived from people's ignorance/acceptance of it more so than from actual physical power.

^^^ I'm entertaining a different idea about this. I wrote about it a little bit the other day and probably will again, but now for now the important the for you to remember is that you are wrong, mkay?😀

@DJ Maci that truly is the question, isn't it?

I mean, you're right in that the people's fears are not confined to the prospects of physical violence and imprisonment, although those are certainly present for those of us who are more vociferous in our dissent. The fears of the masses lie further upstream in consciousness.

Most upstream of all is probably the prospect of social ostracisation (especially powerful over women), but having far reaching subconscious effects on women of both sexes.

This relates directly to the effects of enemy propaganda. It's not that they tell us what to think. It's that they tell us what our neighbors think. They tell us what "everybody else" thinks. And, most importantly, they tell us what the cool kids think. That's power because people fear failure, the appearance of failure and the ostracism that accompanies it. From an evolutionary standpoint ostracism from the tribe was not far removed from a death sentence. People fear it on a deeply unconscious level and they are perfectly capable of developing neurotic defense mechanisms for coping with it. They train themselves to systematically banish all thoughts (and therefore words) that would lead to transgression and it's fatal consequences. These, my friends, are the boundaries we must strive to publicly violate in order to free our racial kinsman from their mental enslavement.

"Destroying the system must be done on a psychological level first and foremost. The mind is a battlefield." Yep.

nuh uh. Pat says...

https://youtu.be/IGVZOLV9SPo

@Wehrmacht By that logic: many people who have died (making this their life's work) are failures, when they have done far more for the struggle than you have (IE: from Robert Jay Matthews to William Pierce). I would say that it is not ceasing to exist that is a failure, it is not leaving a legacy when you die.

@Wehrmacht >never form an elaborate sub-state much like the NSDAP before political rise to power >Implying you are

Tell me, exactly how *YOU* specifically are making steps toward establishing an ethnostate?

Let's just say that you guys have far more faith in the average person than I do. Those that are concerned with their neighbors thoughts to begin with will never be willing to break the social compact. The idea that you will be able to alter the way lemmings see themselves fitting into society by taking control of the narrative is even more far out than trying to physically assume power- neither of which are realistic goals at this point.

The system is full of cracks, they grow by the day, our sole job should be to aid in that break up, this will not be an overnight process. To Say that the system does not hold physical sway over the ppl is... dillussional. Again I think this view just comes from a lack of actually seeing the full might of the systems power in play domestically. Make no mistake about it, they physically own your ass.

We're doing a lot more than initiating nigger loving Muslims who turn on their kin

Jfc

How about that, you fucking wannabe?

Even though he turned out to be a traitor: even he has done more than you have.

Really guys?

Lol you're a lot of niggers m8

Oh really?

cool.

That's how you act

Fucking own it

oh really? how so?

What the Fuck are you Jews doing other than accruing like antifa and Isis other than rerouting whites into that mentality?

Literally

We aren't trying to "appeal to normies"

Then you come in here and act like your gay fucking Twitter pics of swazi flags and guns make you anything but an actor

What fucking ethno state are you trying to make m8?

an actor eh?

Oh, you arent? Ill be d amned! Who knew?

Blah blah blah you lot are just white Isis or antifa rejects

Y'all need to just back up a few steps and chill the fuck out.

Nah m88 I'm good

Nobody talks to me like that

You're all talk, man.

Twiiyer warrior

look who's talking. A guy talking about "owning it" in being a nazi but once you bring up actually using swastikas then you back away from it like a little bitch.

I'm not going to LARP like a fucking NEET

You already are.

by all means tho, I'm waiting to see what demos you show up at or put on.

Yeah I'm larping

>implying demos are the only way to get the message across

Alrighty then. I think this round of discussion has ran it's course.

What discussion? I just see a neet sperging about muh swastika

Mister I want to tear the system down but sit behind my keyboard and do nothing

Nothing but rag on people actually trying to organize others

This is exactly what I was talking about over in <#300814538519871488>

I mean that's what people who don't do anything worth a s*** do sit there and talk down to people who do do something worth a s***

Like A Nazi PE teacher I can't do so I'll just commentate and criticize

When AF and Skull mask profile pictures are telling you to chill out

>when all of you see how gay it is to pretend to be a communist revolutionary but not how gay it is to pretend to be a "German worker"

Oh vey jimmies rustled into infinity

We must secure the existence of our people and a future for my wife's son

I think at this point dudes are just trying to get everybody to chill out.

I think at this point is you didn't want Total War you shouldn't have f****** started it

Welcome to Roid Rage population Cascadia

Who are you talking to man?

Everybody

Everybody in your division

^^^^

Oh boy, this is still going on?

MY division is myself. I stand on my own two feet. So again I'm asking for some clarity, who is it you're talking to?

@Wehrmacht your safe cause you are now at 55.3%

But I'm 110%

*See above pic*

I'm the only real Nazi because I pretend I live in a German reich

Touche

Stop speaking meme for 2 seconds. I'm asking you a direct question, who are you aiming this shit at?

AWD for the shitty attitude displayed by promonent members or associates

Ok. Thank you for answering my question

AWD has their own group of superior Nazis so why the fuck are they here in our group?

I'm pretty sure none of us are jumping to join AWD. Why not just piss off? We're not in Washington anyway. Do your super Nazi thing. Have a blast.

I still think everybody needs to chill out. This isn't productive on any level, this is a disagreement about tactics, why that should devolve into this doesn't make a lot of sense.

The people I met today wouldn't want anything to do with AWD either.

If you're so convinced your tactics are superior why waste your time with us

Because I always intended this whole thing to be a communication platform for all Nationalists in Cascadia to communicate with. So I invited them here. Some them were AW from the Twitter DM

All the people that are in here in here to work together and none of you even showed willingness to begin to do that

You do exactly what you guys are known for doing which is claimed the superiority of your own tactics and denounce everybody else as lemmings

If you think that your tactics are so great where the f*** are you in the news and what the f*** are you guys doing for an ethnostate for your white brother? Because we're actually trying to do something and all you've done is talk down on it

I suppose part of the issue is there is a pattern, people are doing the exact same stuff they did decades ago and soaring down this path of reactionary pandering.

really? where are we on the news?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLiPs39UNLE

I value Jimmies input but the advice he gave me yesterday is really more applicable to all of you AWD fellows

Exchanging ideas about tactics and strategy is good. Letting discussions about same turn us against each other is not.

Regarding enclaves, it is not something you should be doing openly like Craig Cobb (a failure in this regard)

Ask yourself blackhat who was the one to talk s*** about tactics first

@blackhat 16 is speaking the gods honest truth

I made a suggestion and these Nigger lovers started calling me a Jew for it

@Wehrmacht "nigger lovers" he says

Sorry but when your entire Library consists of George Lincoln Rockwell and mein kampf you don't really have much room to talk about tactics you're largely bereft of the intelligence it would take to understand complex tactics to win a war

Oh I'm sorry wait you mean that white Muslim in your ranks that tried to kill your men wasn't a f****** n*****

in case you didn't know: most of us always wanted him out and were doing what we could to get rid of him.

Doing what you could? F****** remove him what kind of f****** fascists are you Jesus Christ

Maybe because some of us were not in leadership positions.

Then you're not very good fascists

You're an order taking nigger who wants to pass orders onto us. Fuck you @khimære

Fascists seize the reins of power they don't wait for somebody to f****** Grant it to them

@Australopithecus Jordan Really man? are you seriously wanting to start shit now?

I don't care who said what "first"
No one is impressed by this exchange of disrespect

King Nazi tough s*** 100% is definitely impressed

Seriously this is just getting ridiculous man.

And his faithful sidekick wormhat who will not be swayed otherwise

Disagrees with you

@Wehrmacht Just stop. You're being incredibly silly right now.

Well boy next time you open your mouth about somebody's tactics and call them a f****** Jew maybe you should rethink that s***

I never called anyone a Jew.

Then don't act like a f****** fed you kike

well noone here anyway.

I'd liek to see you try.

like*

You f****** insinuated I was a Jew yesterday for advocating we use their tactics against them

S T O P

I don't want to start a bunch of shit, but I'll gladly finish it.

I'm asking all three of you, nicely, to please return to your corners. The round is over

I bet you're a little nigger ain't you?

Just saying when your tactics lead to your members becoming Muslims who want to blow people up they were friends with your tactics or f****** wrong

I'm done with this. This is stupid.

Good GTFO

Go back to your super Nazi crew.

Maybe we'll catch up at our pillow fort ethnostate and we can talk it over in person

I'm not sure if anyone remembers this but the only reason we are all here in the same (chat) room is because of the irl-meetups and vetting that resulted from our Twitter group DM, and the DS Book Club connections to that group. That process then evolved to the point where others were brought into this larger conversation because they were vouched for by "members" here. But... the entire thing was really created as an experiment; I believed that if we couldn't get even 30-40 regional Nationalists to get active with each other (regardless of what group they joined, or what tactics they felt are important), what hope could there really be for anything bigger than that?
Is someone's choice of strategy really so important that you can't show each other the respect a political ally deserves? Is it really SO important that the other person ceases to BE an ally? If you can't even comport yourselves as ubermensch with each other, then you can't really expect that we'll ever be better off than we are can you? Don't act like accomplishing something is of any importance to you when you can't even come correct to an open discussion with your peers (and talk w them about how to gain what is most important to ALL of us) without elevating the trivial to such a state of importance that you become overly emotional about it. Don't take ideas personally.
If we can't do that then all we have learned from this experiment is that we are failures. And not just as individuals.

I see it as everything was gravy with our group until AWD bitches started chirping shit. I'm not with that. The division came entirely from that side and their egotistical bullshit. I'm not here to be told I'm not effective or 100% or that I'm comprising from some fuck boy. Nah, I'd rather go lone wolf than accept degradation from a half wit dip shit. The rest of us are cool. If you AWD fucks want to brawl we can schedule it and draw up agreements so it's legal.

There's a lot of plurals being thrown around here, I just want to clarify a few things:
1. I am not a member of AW but I do agree with many of their strategies & I appreciate the work they've done.
2. Anyone that has an issue with me personally I will be more than happy to solve it in any way they see fit.
I just feel like there's a lot of ambiguity with a lot of crazy talk attached to it. This is my effort at beginning to clear some of that up.