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~1000 lead balls thrown in the direction of the enemy using high explosives, and remotely detonated as it's still pretty dangerous behind a claymore unless you install a thick metal sheet or something
make sure you imprint it with "this side towards enemy"
you could just replace the C4 with a big balloon of oxy-acetylene if you wanted, and it'd work the same
but now I'm thinking... You could add something that doesn't burn, e.g. nitrogen to slow down the explosion... Perhaps using plain air pumped in from the surrounding instead of pure oxygen, or you could switch from acetylene to something slower burning like fuel. A car engine for example burns just on the edge between fast burning and explosion (and when a car engine misfires, the engine ignites while the pressure is still too high, and you get a small explosion that causes damage to your engine)
Ah, so simple air would provide a slower burn than pure oxygen. That explains a lot.
The idea came from an alternate reality concept I was reading that used rifles fueled off acetylene from a calcium carbide and water reaction, mixed with just regular old air.
if you have a large enough expansion chamber behind the bullet it will work, I was thinking more sci-fi than steampunk. In steampunk you've got the equivalent of a musket to compete with and it'll probably do just fine throwing a bit of shrapnel down a barrel (potato cannons are a thing, they use fuel + air, no reason you couldn't launch a rock at someone instead)
but it'll never be as good as gunpowder because it explodes all at once and doesn't burn fast and expand quicker like gunpowder does
That seems less than ideal.
yep. I wouldn't recommend it because gunpowder is really, really good for what it does. But this way it could work hypothetically for something rifle-like without blowing up your gun or the load being too small to be effective
Benefits include:
- You can get higher pressure than you can get from gunpowder, which means potentially faster bullets than you can reach with gunpowder, which means higher armor penetration and longer max range. Good in a sci-fi setting that has power armor or whatnot?
- scaleable, if you only fill the first few chambers with gas you can reduce muzzle velocity basically as low as you life, for less-than-lethal loads or if you're worried about overpenetration
- Easy on logistics, this is caseless by design and any weapon system you have can be refilled from the same big acetylene tank at base
Drawbacks:
- way too many moving parts. Moving parts are bad mmmkay
isn't that just the nazi supergun? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-3_cannon
huh...
Crow, stop accidentally inventing Nazi superweapons.
so it *does* work, and is practically accomplishable, to an extent at least?
that's amazing
as a child I invented Musk's suicide vacuum tube as well
the...
look up project babylon
hyperloop
but my idea was even more radical, I'd put the tunnel between USA and Europe and have everything on magnetic rails, that way sending stuff back and forth is practically free as gravity accelerates and decelerates for you
@Matt-Kill723 that better be a male
It can be, I enjoy both
You know what? Fine. Keep posting those gun waifus.
Only if the have been set fire to
that's a trap
We know >:D
no
strange picture
if were posting gun traps
Fuck, this is adorable.
It hurts when you got shot and dont wear armour
It probably hurts when you get shot and do wear armor.
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*imagine* if john lennon had a gun.
It's easy if you try.
So, issue. My AR build needs a new fore-end, which means I need a new AFG. I like doing C-clamp grip (inb4 MUH HSLD) and my only issue with my current setup (besdies the whole Keymod thing) is that it gets....very warm very fast. Any ideas on how to mitigate it?
I wonder if there's some kind of thermally insulating something or another I can make a custom sort of AFG/thingy with.
well, there are a couple of ways to deal with heat. one is a heavier barrel - simply more mass to absorb the heat will mean it'll heat up slower. another way is to get rid of heat faster by having more surface area to radiate the heat. finally there's just insulating the handguard better.
how long is your barrel? heat tends to build up near the gas block so if that's where your hand is you'll feel it sooner than if your hand was in the middle of the barrel
Yeah the issue is, the most comfortable stop it RIGHT ont he gasblock
Proper bad luck, that.
maybe these guys have a product for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYKpQwTUfLs
But if I go rifle or carbine gas I'm going to have problems with my length
another option is a fluted barrel with a carbon fiber handguard.
Boo.
@Stefan Payne My thing was based of the XM-8 others mentioned.
The XM-8 was glorious no one can say otherwise
The fish gun?
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yeah the Gau avenger i think is the proper term for the gun next to the car
im quite certain the plane was built on top of the gun
where the plane is the optional component
Yep, they designed the Gau Avenger first, then built a the A-10 around it.
What exactly is the purpose of a .22 minigun, anyway?
Hope you hit something both important and not covered by body armor?
Fun
for shits and giggles
There's also a P90-sized 5.56 minigun
XM556 Microgun
Look it up
And repeal Hughes
the power of a Minigun
https://youtu.be/0nUADMhYO1c
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Wood Cased AR-15 when?
2x Forgotten Weapons today???
badum tsss
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offensive banana posting
2nd amendment edition
so lets say in a hypothetical situation, would it make sense to have a gatling-style gun design but have it shouldered instead of mounting it or holding it on the hip. Kinda like some vladof guns in borderlands?
It doesn't make sense to have a shoulder fired gatling-style gun no, a hip-fired one doesn't serve any useful purpose other designs don't do better, either.
Certainly firing from the shoulder is more accurate than firing from the hip, but holding all that extra weight from the excess barrels, the electrical motor, and the tons of ammo you're chewing through will negate that advantage simply because it gets so heavy you can't keep steady, and accuracy isn't your main concern with a gatling either way, you're looking for area suppression
a human simply can't carry enough ammunition and still operate in field conditions that overheating becomes such a severe issue the extra barrels are justified, a light machine gun is a vastly superior weapon for the role
cool ty
Get those exoskeletons finished, we'll see what happens.
ohh shouldermounted miniguns
or crotch mounted shotguns
I considered exoskeletons, but that sort of also implies powerarmor, and then you're probably better off with a heavy rifle (say a .50 BMG "assault rifle") since your opponents are probably armored too. And even if they're not you're *still* probably better off with a modern day light machine gun in addition to a grenade launcher, a light RPG, or similar weapon system.
Curse you and your pragmatism, Crow.
Keep in mind an exoskeleton style system doesn't just let you carry heavier stuff, it could do things like stabilization assist as well
it is less of a stretch in a sci-fi setting, tho
a 50 bmg assualt rifle would be the coolest thing ever
since we're doing exoskeletons and such, it makes sense to throw in some AI-assisted sensors too, IR at the very least but perhaps even a portable radar, AI pings alerts for potential targets and the soldier can then verify that it's a valid target, let the AI help with aim-assist, and you can actually hit that target you've spotted a mile or two away
that wouldn't really be possible with a man-portable gatling
yeah but if you got your nice suit with ai and such why shouldnt i invest in an EMP device and disable your suit and take you prisonor
Obviously you harden this stuff.
EMP like that isn't a real thing
or even worse i hack a bunch of suits that are supposed to guard the president at that moment and make them shoot everyone on sight
Yeah, just like you hack a battleship and make them detonate their missiles.
hacking doesn't work that way, either. obviously a military suit would have no external connection other than radio
youd be suprised
this is all still hypothetical
And in this hypothetical world, military strategists and engineers have centuries of highly refined military precedent to design technology.
Which means not leaving backdoors open for Achmed the Precocious Terrorist to hack a tank with his Apple II.
i dont think there would be tanks in this hypothetical world as infantry will get the ability to carry way stronger weapons making tanks almost useless for combat
if your run of the mill infantryman can carry a superpowerfull AT rocket why would you risk sending in a tank?
you would need extremely heavy tanks to withstand these powerfull weapons which will inevidably lead to you needing to cut down on other areas like mobility or armament
but to take one thing at a time, magical EMP that disables all electronics in range isn't a real thing. You could make one if you just up the voltage to silly level, but stuff can be hardened to resist, and all military tech will be, so we reach a point where instead of dragging fuckhuge batteries and stuff around it's cheaper and more efficient to just carry a gun you shoot high-speed pieces of metal at your enemy instead
well that is the problem nobody will take a step back
and we are very close to fighting with batteries
We do fight with batteries. At least parts of batteries. Thank you, lead.
look at fighter planes for example all the modern planes are more focused on electronic warfare than anything else
no we're not, because batteries don't have anywhere near the energy-density of explosives or gunpowder and can't theoretically do so either
yes, electronic warfare, but not batteries and EMP
hell, their batteries aren't even that big or noteworthy since batteries are extremely heavy for their energy content
Implying fighter planes are relevant to modern theatres of war.
so it's all alternator powered
When was the last dog fight?
thats why they are used in electronic warfare not shooting each other
fighter planes arent build for dogfights anymore
Then why do you call them fighter planes?
is the f-22 a fighter plane?
Dogfighting isn't the only way to kill enemy aircraft?
thats a good point
most fighter planes arent made for dogfighting nowadays
as we have beyond visual targeting
etc
an EMP definitely can't go beyond visual targeting
but it can disrupt an incoming missile
or use flares for that
and the best part is if you are protecting your base form that hypothetical missile you can have all the electricity you need as weight isnt a problem
wut
its easier to have an electronic anti missile system on your base then on a tank right?
it kind of doesn't matter if you fry an incoming missile that's a mile or two away if it's some fuckhuge missile you deploy against a BASE of some kind, it'll still keep going mostly straight and then it doesn't really matter if it's a few dozen yards off target
you can mess up the targeting system
not with an EMP
maybe make the electronics overheat
you can fry vital components bricking it's electronics, but you can't magically hack it
i think we can in the coming years
everything is getting automated
you can already hack pacemakers or cars
reeee that's not how hacking works
well then how does it work
yes because those are connected to the open internet and have pisspoor security
it is literally impossible for the best hacker in the world to hack my laptop now
because I have it off to the side, not connected to the internet
there is no access point
but then what is guiding your missile
no way for a hacker to get in, short of physically entering my home and plugging something in
Onboard computing and targeting technology, I would presume.
a simple algorithm (AI) and raw sensors
valid point
With how much a missile costs, a couple thousand dollars in sensors and electronics isn't really a factor.
thats right missiles do cost an actual fuck ton
for example an IR camera, a computer, and a program that says "point missile towards brightest glowing bit"
amraams go for what 300000 dollars imagine buying it of "the black market"
idk what you would do with an amraam
shoot it with bullets?
but wouldnt that make it very susceptible to being misled
that's why planes use flares
yes so we are back at 2018
and why missiles use as many backup systems as they can squeeze in
"if IR feed isn't clear, rely on UV", "if UV feed isn't clear, try sensing plane's magnetic fields", "if NO feed is clear, estimate range to target, if range is less than 50m, detonate anyways and hope for the best otherwise deploy parachutes"
GPS, too. not for an anti-air missile obviously but for ground targets
even better idea let childeren from chinese factories fly those rockets not susceptible to flares dont cost alot and are still guided
million dollar idea here
Japanese did that
yeah and the germans
manned torpedoes
but they didnt use chinese factory childeren
V1 or the V2 some of the ancestors of the ICBMS nowadays
ye, Japanese patriots are more reliable
the japanese also had manned missiles
wut no
kamikaze pilots
definitely not V1 or V2 at least
no im talking about the germans using v1/2
yeah those weren't manned
i confused them with something else
yeah my bad
the japanese still did the most crazy stuff as in weaponry
if it werent for weapons the germans would be the lunatics
with their scientists
I think you may have gotten those two mixed up...
wait what
are you still talking about the v1/2 issue?
Germans had Vampir, the first infantry night-vision, a really crazy idea at the time.
The first jet fighter, Me-262, that was insane for it's time
Me 163 Komet, a rocket-powered plane with photo-cells and a cannon mounted facing up, that would blitz past under enemy planes and the cannon would automatically fire when the photocell got blocked, as human reaction speed was nowhere near good enough to hit, a crazy idea in and of itself
"Silbervogel", a project never finished that would have sent a 100 ton plane shaped like a flying wing, carrying liquid oxygen and oil mixed with powdered aluminium as fuel, fly West skipping (like you skip a rock on water) on the denser layers of the atmosphere once you get higher up, technically reaching space, eventually reaching the states where it'd drop a 10 ton bomb, and continue going West to where the pilot would hopefully be able to slow down and parachute to safety in Japan
Of course the V1 and V2 that laid the groundwork for both the US and Soviet space programs
Patterned camouflage
And a ton of other crazy stuff
how much of this actually worked?
i know military researchin and experimenting was very high so alot of stupid shit got approved aswell
all of those worked, except Silbervogel which would have needed more heat shielding to not burn up (as they were mostly guessing what the atmosphere would be like)
Komet worked, but wasn't very successful
Vampir worked, and was a nightmare for those facing it, but it saw too limited deployment and of course has very niche uses to begin with
Me 262, the jet fighter, revolutionized air combat overnight and jet fighters have been the norm since. Patterned camouflage is used by almost every military across the globe, and the children of the V1 and V2 project took us to the moon and gave us things like satellites
also the stg
I wasn't counting that one as the idea isn't crazy, it's sensible and they were just the first to do it properly. No doubt people elsewhere analyzing the war accounts in hindsight would figure out something between the infantry rifle and the SMG is needed and it makes a lot of sense to make the two one and the same
it wan't a radical invention like the rest, more of a stepping stone in the evolution of infantry weapons... Or maybe it just looks that way in hindsight... A lot of people were making infantry weaponry with sights all the way out to 1000m for a long, long time...
There are no new ideas left, only now we are better able to execute ideas, some of which couldn't work in the past because of limiting factors.
Regarding EMP
https://survivalblog.com/real-world-emp-effects-on-moto/
Just a person's summary of what looks to be good data, TL;DR **30 kV/m** is slightly annoying for a tiny fraction of unshielded civilian cars
https://www.qsl.net/pa2ohh/jsvpm.htm
Calculator I used
With:
- 80 MW (80 000 000 W. Portable garage generators typically go for around 10 000-20 000 Watts, so around 4000 of those, or batteries holding all that power if you're shooting one pulse at a time with a reload time inbetween)
- a Gain of 50 dBi (which you can only get from a well-directed, very large dish antenna that you have to aim... not gonna calculate exactly *how* big it needs to be and what the wavelength of the EMP needs to be)
- a range of 500 meters
You get just over that **30 kV/m**, enough to knock out some civilian cars
this is what the absurdity of EMP looks like, instead of that several meter wide dish and the truck-sized generator you could deploy an entire line of machinegunners. Or automated machinegun drones or whatever. the only real risk we have of EMP is from the sun, which obviously can't be weaponized, or with a high-altitude nuke, but then you're wasting a perfectly good nuke to fry some electronics
but hey, if you use THIS
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/The_Arecibo_Observatory_20151101114231-0_8e7cc_c7a44aca_orig.jpg
with a diameter of 300 meters, and a dBi of 80, you only need 100 KW to make the dashboard flicker on that car 500 meters away!
But the dream of knocking out all the lights in an enemy city is as old as wars against cities.
but knocking out lights doesnt need an emp
how many people have a backup generator in their house
let some fireteam capture the nearest powerplants and turn of power
still it hypothetical and it doesnt take out everything as building zones will probably have lights but it can definitly disrupt the city
There were stories of mythic figures begging the god to snuff all the lamps and fires in the enemy city so they may take the city in darkness and the people would wake to them having taken over. It was a pipe dream that we are all ways looking for a better way of doing.
i would say its rather humane dont you think? next to no fighting plus you wake up and the combat is already over
only difference is that we have become those gods
Well there wouldn't have been fighting, just murders.
probably less death overall
I would prefer a thousand casualties of honorable warfare than a single murder.
well good luck finding a thousand people who agree with you
but if they dont you can always kill them in honorable combat
I was about to say. War is never honorable when you get down to the gritty man-to-man
honourable combat does not exist anymore
and never really has
just people trying to survive by any means necessary
war is messy and doesnt have any winners
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