that's how it's supposed to be, but we've corrupted the system

This is ABSOLUTELY what I advocate.

You HAVE to allow competition

And you HAVE to let the best ideas win out.

Holy shit. Atkins and I agree. I need to bleach my brain!

and we're afraid to use federal power to try to reign in california.

The federal powers EXPLICITLY OUTLINED IN THE CONSTITUTION.

All Cali is doing is refusing to use local power to enforce federal law. The feds can still do it themselves.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/28/us/oakland-mayor-libby-schaaf-ice-arrests/index.html

That in itself, though, is creating policy concerning immigration.

Oregon just voted 2/3 to 1/3 to withhold local assistance for federal enforcement of immigration law. The feds can tax. Let them pay for it.

Atkins, that was one individual's use of their liberty.

Oregon is a sideshow in that they don't have a border with Mexico.

I've got to head out...

Hasta

California is a sideshow too on that they don't control thier border with Mexico.

The feds do

They're aiding and abetting criminals, and enticing them with free stuff. They are complicit.

They are actively working to undermine the authority of the United States and are directly harming other states as a result.

Their mindless virtue-signalling has real world consequences.

I'm inclined to agree.

If it wasn't for the tech giants (that they're currently trying to tax into leaving), California would have long since imploded.

And when they implode the diaspora of illegals into neighboring states will begin.

Part of the problem with our strengthened federalist system is that certain states such as Cali are able to subsidize themselves at the expense of non-state residents

Essentially requiring states with balanced budgets and surpluses, even, to pay what amounts to foreign aid, by force.

So a system that works is required to support a system that doesn't.

With that in mind it becomes quite apparent why Californians are advocates for redistribution of wealth. Their lifestyles are already dependent on it.

But Cali is a doner state

barely. they receive $0.99 in federal funds for every dollar of federal tax.

<https://www.politifact.com/california/article/2017/feb/14/does-california-give-more-it-gets-dc/>
`In January 2017, the California Legislative Analyst’s Office said by several measures California is, indeed, a donor state, but just barely. It receives $0.99 in federal expenditures per dollar of taxes paid, which is below the national average return for states of $1.22 per dollar paid, according to its review of a 2015 New York Comptroller study.`

that's a precarious balance, based largely on the golden goose of the tech sector.

a golden goose that they're doing their damnedest to kill
<https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/SF-Prop-C-homeless-tax-measure-to-raise-300-13369555.php>

My point is that I don't see this "foreign aid" from other states

how do you square giant federal spending with the 10th amendment?

medicare, medicaid, social security, and the whole shebang

I stand 1 percent corrected

The power to tax is how it was justified.

If we end Social Security and Medicare what will that mean for the elderly? The two were created at different times but because the elderly were destitute.

Do what Milton Friedman said: convert all outstanding social security liabilities to federal bonds and end the program.

rip that bandaid off.

everyone gets what they have been promised, but new workers no longer have to pay into the system. they'll only get a bond proportional to what they've paid in.

couple of decades later, all the bonds will have come to term and the whole problem is solved.

The elderly can be cared for by friends and relatives. Failing that, they probably would end up in low-paying positions and low income housing. With their higher than average medical costs, they would most likely die younger.

no real need for that. with the bond conversion idea the elderly still get their money. but young workers are going to have to learn to make significant retirement savings.

If you arent doing that already you're in for a rude surprise

the whole process of weaning society off social security will probably take 30-35 years, but it'll be much less painful.

And what of people who cannot afford living expenses or health care in advanced age?

Then they get help or they die.

charity and family.

Will the electorate accept the elderly dying for lack of money?

Hmm? Probably. Once the electorate is younger.

I think Penn Jillette had a good line here: "If you want to help people, then help them"

I mean I keep hearing that what has to happen to make the country better is that "the old racists need to die off"

if you personally feel that there are elderly people who need financial help, then help them

that's compassion

I do but I can't help everyone

So you would make other people help everyone.

no one is expecting you to

and that's a noble thing. but using the force of government to redistribute wealth is not noble.

And in a world as you described I need to think of my own retirement

Yes. Start saving.

do you not do that already?

I already have a fairly healthy IRA.

Oh, I have

Social security cant possibly cover all living expenses

Like I said, the Brazil bubble was very nice to me

but if you helped one person, and everyone else did the same, we'd run out of charity cases

Among other things

Boeing stock

If Boeing tanks I'm sunk

Oh, shoot, I need to move more of the IRA into foreign stocks to take advantage of growing Brazilian economy, you're right.

You might wanna get out of boeing slowly

Their 737 prototype had a major incident thats not boding well

Boeing is still behind much of the surveillance tech that will make for a secure border

Boeing is a leader in border tech

So go Trump go :p

How has your IRA growth been in the past 2 years?

Mine's been *pretty* good.

Nice until the trade war bullshit

The best thing for my IRA was the fact I carried a lot of cash in 2007 and dropped it in the market in 2010. Obama was better for me than Trump by far.

So far at least. If only Trump would be disabused of destroying the trade economy.

I honestly can't figure out what'll happen now.

Whatll happen now is the US will negotiate with china and europe

No party wants a trade war and all stand to lose if one occurs, even if they dont directly participate in it

China has shown some cracks.

Some companies that had been planning to.open up shop there and move facilities have started looking elsewhere already

?circlejerk

Remember the time in the 19th century when a Chinese peasant lead a revolution claiming to be the spiritual brother of Jesus after gaining a cursory knowledge of Christianity? Fun times.

I'm inspired

/s

https://youtu.be/Bh8vqof9hAk

http://www.coudenhove-kalergi-society.eu/

calgary

Dammit deleted on accident rip

Is the Tucker Carlson incident a case of imminent lawless action?

I mean, it is lawless action. What do you mean by imminent?

Thats the terming using the bergenburg case

But people use free speech protection laws

Ah. Has someone said something that would incite imminent lawless action?

@Bookworm we know where you live doesnt say anything?

Ah, that. Yeah, I think that could be read fairly as a threat.

I know where you all live too. Not entirely sure that says anything.

Amazing how the media played up the Russia rigging the election but completely the election fraud happening in the states like FL and Broward County

"Leave town" + "I know where live" makes it more clear.

Israel did nothing wrong.

The Palestinians got what was coming to them.

As long as Islam exists both Judaism and Christianity will be threatened.

You can't cohabitate with a religion that calls for Jihad against all other religions and quite literally wants to take over the world.

To be fair, Christians also want to do that.

They want to do it through conversion not conquest.

Islam doesn't really care if every person is a muslim, so long as they are controlled by Islam.

*Fight those who believe not in God and in the Last Day, and who do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden, and who follow not the Religion of Truth among those who were given the Book, till they pay the jizyah with a willing hand, being humbled.*

Qur'an 9:29

Christianity rapidly spread throughout Romanorum through peaceful conversions and public displays of piety through martyrdom.

Islam expanded entirely through the violent subjugation of others.

Israel is the only state in the Middle East where Christians are safe, they are the only ones with a functioning democratic government.

Having the US as an ally probably helps a ton

We need to air drop feminists into the middle east.

I get what you mean, but that sounds like a terrible idea.

Yeah, maybe just regular airplane tickets. In seriousness though, the middle east gets more feminism and we get less of it. Does that not make sense?

Well, when you put it like that, I think I can live with that.

Just not my sister.

Lol

Here’s what we really should do: during the next woman’s march, we need to use drones to drop a ton of white, penis-shaped confetti all over the protestors. The reactions would be amazing.

I'd pay to see that.

So would I.

I don’t know how much it would cost though.

The fines would be over a million dollars to start off with.

Alternatively, to create much less garbage, use a dongcopter

?

Gary Kasparov and the Flying Penis on Youtube explains the concept

Basically, a remote controlled helicopter toy with its frame replaced with a dildo

Well, confetti is just paper, so it biodegrades. There would have to be a dozen of those things going in order to have an impact. The confetti itself would symbolize ‘the patriarchy’. Lol

Yeah, but you could surely get fined in a city for putting that much litter on the streets, right?

Maybe. I don’t know

Or have penis-shaped drones shoot white confetti.

Did I really just say that?

Yknow there are drones that are basically just flying plastic dicks so that's possible

@Illyrian lol. Yes.

I think that might be one of the dirtiest things I’ve said on Discord.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFcZm7UUYIg

@Illyrian I have respect for you voicing that sentance.

Thanks…

Oh. I go there on discord. Lol.

Let's blame the Maine on Spain

What even

I still think we should be giving those Marine pilots medals instead of reprimands for drawing penises in the ski above the Salton Sea. Expert flying and creative thinking...and a sense of humor. Hell, the women pilots I know would approve.

It could just as easily have been some Navy or Air Force flygirls doing that as it was flyboys. No one can laugh at stuff anymore. It's sad.

You know what I think?

That we should blame the Maine on Spain

I still have fond memories of driving down I-8 in AZ next to another car with passengers in both cars drawing penises at each other at 80mph.

Using handheld game consoles on wifi

It was so awesome

Technology at its finest

It's a bird it's a plane it's the seljuk Turks

Ah!

Lol

Said the Byzantine empire

Being so small it almost doesn't exist

That's one way to prove that you killed a man

It's the smaller of the two heads

Portable

:p

"let's overthrow the palace and cut all their heads off!" Said Robespierre cutting everyone's head off until someone got mad and cut his head off. You could make a reli-no don't.

Oh, and Spain likely had nothing directly to do with the Maine going boom. Just sayin'

But who let's history get in the way of a good story

America ran out of destiny to manifest and is looking for more. Hawaii, Cuba wait Cuba is controlled by Spain well blame something on them and go to war let's blame the Maine on Spain

Pretty much.

College is so frustrating

The quality of my peers has declined

All they care about is referencing “indigenous people” in design

But they don’t even actually study the indigenous peoples design methods to implement them

They just fucking mention them and give themselves a pat on the back for being multi cultural

Are u an architect major?

+1 to @>_ noticed the same thing and I’m not even in the liberal arts 😂

I am a design major

@missdanger

Yourself?

@NHawk College is toxic to the mind

College is bearable in small doses

It’s not too bad tbh

Just slightly annoying

College teaches compartmentalization

You better keep your head down though and don’t expect to go their to challenge your thoughts

Instead of integration

Aerospace for me, at least it isn’t as infected as the liberal arts

@>_ A guy tried to provide a theory of a light speed particle and almost got shut down until he said the object had no mass and we have more information than einstein

LUL

If a particle identifies as light speed who are you to say otherwise

@>_ history

Ah

But the teachers call this out in a pc super walking on egg shells way

Luckily the teachers still care about design and are willing to pull the best from historical contexts of site to help promote efficiency instead of a false sense of inclusivity

indigenous design as in mud huts?

or like actual arabian design

SYMMETRY

Well as in how they regulated for temperature/climate conditions to promote a comfortable indoor environment

omg are they fighting over the thermostats

No

They bend over backward to talk about environmental awareness and indigenous people while overall ignoring actual efficiency and processes developed by indigenous people

"lets overthrow the palace and cut all their heads off" said Robespierre cutting everyone's head off until someone got mad and cut his head off. You could make a reli-no don't.

You're starting to spam :-(

Anti trust laws are freedom at gun point for the business men

Yeah, rather have Corporatism where one or two Corporations gouvern your country and you are their slave.

@Stefan Payne Except all monopolies have failed or sprung from government

If two sole companies corner the market it just shows their value but to maintain it is unlikely

if it is a market where you need billions to enter, no

In what market?

As I previously stated they are the Atlas of society it is how much they are valued

Yet you wanna hold them at gun point

FOR PRICEFIXING!

Which the government also does

Isnt that anti competition

@Stefan Payne

These laws are also not objective

nothing is but your free market definition is horse shit and makes no sense.

you need rules and enforce them.

LUL

So very cynical

You won't play a Football game without a Referee either.

Thats different because no ones rights can be harmed in a free market

Which rights yes are enforced by government

But you never refuted anything I said

Even actual criminals have a more objective set of laws

You're essentially advocating for "right of the strongest" and that every Company can abuse the power and do everything they can to get money out of the pocket of the people.

Like I said before all monopolies came from government or got dismantled with time

no

if there were no rules, there would have been no Compaq, Dell and co

Yes the rules being force and market separated until someones rights are violated

*are

Yes and now you need a market that's protected by Patents and needs billions of dollars to enter.

And the primary source can just bribe the manufacturers to not use other stuff than theirs....

So in short: you need the Rules and to enforce it, so that such things do not happen.

Wow, I'm in agreement with Stefan for the third time today and it's not even lunchtime. The end times are most certainly upon us. 🙀

Yeah, one of those Examples would be Microsoft ^^

And Google (Android)

So free market means that everyone plays to the same rules and doesn't abuse or misuse the power given by the market.

Now, after M$ left the Mobile Phone OS Market, Google was forced in the EU to charge money for Android.
M$ always charged for mobile Windows.

Who enforces the rules?

Im back

These arguments dont have any basis to them

It rests on it requires a lot of money to get in without defining why it takes that much

Saying that it happens without government

@Stefan Payne

So google Monopoly happened with Gouvernment? How so?

and Microsoft?

They still have competitors

Same with Microsoft

Where's OS/2 then? Or BeOS?

Also they have both used law suits to their advantage