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how do you violate it in yoru typical life then?
I regularly hold down the neighbor kids and fart all over them.
my face violates the NAP
thats how you get pink eye
RIGHT .. see youre not even attempting to be serious now cuz no good arguments
they rather, oh well one day they may fart on you
I'm making jokes because they're right there.
somebody... anybody.... tell me how they need to violate the NAP in their every day life
well i'm not arguing against a NAP
The thing is, you're not debating what we're discussing on it's merits.
in fact i'm not sure what NAP we're talking about, Non Aggression Pact? or the nice bed kind?
You're pushing the debate a different direction.
Do you teach the NAP.... its funny im sure ive come across it, ive read Loki and Mill, but i mean yeah. pacificsm in the face of non adversary sure
but what happens when the bully comes
my avatar is just a yin yang of koi fish, and the colors are cool. the Gadsden flag is black and yellow too... same with the State of Jefferson movement
do you stand your ground or retreat?
where is the line in the sand
Gadsden Flag is yellow and green.
with text and outlines.
Also, it predates the Ancap flag, whose principles you are arguing.
NAP only works if its enforced
In an ancap society, there is no sovereignty of force, so anyone strong enough can overthrow another
And the biggest number are the collective with a strong warlord leader
no, you guys just randomly started stawman attacking me.... AS IF YOU ALL don't live by the NAP either
^ ^ ^ what Wol said.
I live by NAP, cuz of law
how do you enforce the nap.... isn't that the irony of it?
^ ^ ^ ^
And THAT is what the state exists for
@citizen NAP isnt pacifism.... it include self-defense as legit form of violence
Nothing more, nothing less.
you enforce the NAP through a social agreement, solidified by giving the government power to maintain order
And having that govrnment be accountable to the people it maintains
the NAP includes stand-your-ground
The government protects people in case of violation
And outside that, people agree not to violate each others rights
The only tweaks our system needed along the way were, funny enough, to recognize all people as people.
like is it a nirvanic concept where death is accepted due to the nature of reincarnation so if you die then that is the predestined reality that you were supposed to die in that multiverse plane?
sorry i am not smart so you get runons... you're gonna get hop ons
I cam from behind you and put gun to your head, violating the NAP. What do you do ? You can do nothing and there is no one else that can help you because I have no violeted NAP against them.. or ?
An-cap principles are as utopian as marxism.
They depend on people doing what they're supposed to.
Yes, and who is going to violate it? someone who knows they'll win
and stomp out those who disagree
Fair game, how?
i am anti victim... i think violence should be more controlled and understood... i mean we WERE savages, so we need to get our energy out..... or encourage exercise? everyone needs a gym or a park to run around in and get that energy out.
Its illegal to annex other countries, yet the Soviets did it
Who determines the hard lines of the NAP, and who violates it?
Or is it to be determined in the moment?
The funny thing is
Both Ancap and Marxism, get crushed by the opposing side
Ancaps are too separated and individual, and will be destroyed by the masses guided by a warlord-like figure
And Marxists are too collectivised, so that no one is allowed to rule or be smart, so the individuals can play the system and win/gain control
Is justice supposed to come as swiftly as the judge of the situation can draw his gun?
Will all violations of the NAP be met with the same level of justice, regardless of severity?
The nap is a great ideal for oneself though. i do not believe it could be enforced, thats not very NAP-ien. i do think we need more nuclear family homes, we need to encourage open honest communication with people who are close to you. Raise your kids, love your family, build your community.
everybody likes to take a nap too.... so there's that.
you guys keep trying to paint me as an ancap ... smh.... iono who youre arguing with
wth man, we're not trying to paint you
we're debating, and you ahve taken the ancap side
no one is doing that.. you started arguing about NAP
in this debate
we debating NAP
``` if somone violates the NAP... and it's illegal to violate the NAP..... they are fair game!``` - Poptarts, 7/7/2018
so its okay do violate the NAP then or what?
in what circumstances?
My thing said id vote for rand paul..... maybe i would?
I did ask you a question on this
If you can do it and no one stops you, you can violate the NAP
a contract or law, is only as powerful as the party that enforces it
sure, but that doesnt make it a-okay is the point... they become a target of legit retaliation
and if they're strong enough to not be retaliated against?
you're gonna wave your finger and say "You can't do that" at them?
Life depends on how you look at it... Did we evolve to the peak of animal capability to where we stepped out of the food chain and have created memes like mad. or we are fallen from the grace of god and will continue to deteriorate into the savagery that is surrounding us. Be a civil savage i say.
they wont be bcuz there will always be partnerships of other security firms who are ballsy enough to attack them and apprioriate their resources because they violated the law if the law was the NAP as a baseline
im just talking about all your personal lives... its so ironic that you all still live by it in your every days lives if youre decent human beings who dont steal and mug other ppl, etc
a partnership, sounds like a coalition of parties, with an army
thats noy very Ancap now is it? it almost sounds like a government
if youre not a rapist, etc. guess what... you follow the NAP
We've already acknowledged that we follow the NAP
but sometimes we like to wrastle
We're questioning where you were going with that.
okay, but thats consentual LOL let's wrastle!
so doesnt violate the NAP just like boxing matches
the NAP isnt pacifism ... its just common sense
right. we need to empower men and turn them into the gladiators of past
guy i'd have killed several people if the law said i could, i follow the NAP cuz its enforced
Alright, poptarts, lets break this down then.
How do you see the NAP being enforced?
itd be enforced virtually similar to the same way we do it now by going after perpetrators
Well to me, the NAP is enforced through societal agreement. we raise our children to not hurt others and to tell the truth and yada yada yada. is it perfect? lol what is perfect? we'd have to go back to that nirvana shit i said earlier if you can comprehend how perfect this all is.
the MAJORITY of security firms are privatized in the first place.... only a small minority of security is police, etc
Not what I asked.
its not enforced, specifically. but its the approach of cultural norms through law enforcement... or something. be a nice person. or not, im not your parent.
nobody said it was perfect..... also it will not prevent ppl from violating it either... all it would do it legitimize recoursive action againts those who violate it
you can hire security but it doesn't have authority to generally enforce the NAP is what you are getting at Rye ?
it is enforced Citizen, the government promises retribution if your NAP is violated
Well that is neat to know! is that in every state?
oh wait.... lol i get it
Its in every country that has a sovereign government that utilises law enforcement that protects you, if thats what you mean 😛
its more of a "negative" rights think too... traditional police would not have the right to enforece victimless crimes laws (thus violating the NAP)
yeah.... like i said earlier... i am not smart
thats okay, i tried to help out by explaining better :p
but its like the dunning krueger.... i know how stupid i am so im a little smart?
knowing your limits is insight
definitions of smart wages on the average of humanity, so as long as you're smarter than 3,5 billion humans, you're atleast a little smart 😄
But the police would be enforcing the NAP.
yes, they could do that, whats the problem with that?
they could enforce it and not violate it themselves
there isn't a problem with that
no victimless crimes laws
oh okay LOL
well then, thoughts on First Amendment auditors going into public spaces and auditing authorities. if the cops feel they are being harassed, does that violate the cops right. or are they screwed due to their oath.
I'm probing your ideology to better understand it.
an an NAP way.
whats a victimless crime?
Most likely Drug use, for one.
like taking drugs
btw the way i see it, Ancaps just want smaller countries, where they themselves think they can be king
Cuz an Ancap needs security to protect his property
Just like a government is protecting its sovereignty
they just wanna get rid of the branch above them so they can make the laws
if its in their charter for public auditing, they must be obligated to provided it.... it all boils down to current contracting laws anyways which are aleady in place
one man states basically
Well, the smallest possible country is yourself + your weapons
The best bit is that there are no taxes to yourself that you have to pay
true, but theres no welfare there either 😦
drugs should be regulated, but legal. same with hookin'... if we have a system, then it be easier to monitor and cut back on illegal and objectively immoral actions? but then we'd have to conform to a statehood that separates us from individuality.
and no closed borders 😄
Frankly, I'm with you on the drugs to an extent
(and not with you on drugs. Don't get me wrong)
I think some drugs should be regulated, but there are others that are dangerous enough that they should be illegal. Most of those are developed by pharmaceutical companies though.
but then if you do X drug you cannot own a firearm or operate a vehicle or not get Y license? i dunno
I don't believe the problem is drug use
Rye has drugs with Citizen
Wolfeed news brings you only the most recent alternative facts
It's behavior on drugs.
Aren't there countries where they have clinics that you can dope up in and then go on with your day? hasn't that helped?
There's also the cartels to worry about, too.
@Dr.Wol not even necessarily.... i hound on ancaps all the time about the fact that there WOULD probably be a de facto government in this NAP sort of state.... because you CAN consent explicitly to being governed within a government, cant you?
I believe any drug with known psychotropic effects should result in not being able to use a gun while you're using that drug
In the current drug trade, the NAP gets violated quite terribly.
Right so if they legalize it, then the cartels won't.... how do you end the black market? you gotta drive the cost so far down that the market isn't worth it.
To say that drug use in the modern sense is victimless is not quite accurate. The product creates victims along the way to it.
Same with Prostitution, frequently.
But as far as drug use itself goes
if it was regulated and you had to clock in for your 12-4 am hookin shift then they would know you are legal us citizen or are at least claming to be.
I don't care. But people should be held fully responsible for their actions on drugs.
The decision to take drugs was made while sober.
thats just capitalist libertarians
Ancaps are "Anarchist Capitalists" meaning theres no government to maintain order
so then it gets back to morality and honesty and not being some machiavellian dick. but everyone wants to be the prince.
Actions on drugs i concur. thats why i lock the doors the when i turn the brights on.
im just going to sneak out of here now... feel free to keep beating the shit out of the ancap strawman you have built up 😉
everything you do carries the consequence to your future self? unless you are killing yourself then you should be conscious that it is affecting you post moment
i'm not sure why you assume im strawmanning anything
im just wrastlin!
Even if you're killing yourself you're affecting your future
your only solution to answering something you have no response to is claiming a strawman
if you kill yourself then that is your future?
unless we go back to nirvanic reincarnation.
I mean, if you think we're strawmanning you by debating Ancap principles, that's a you problem...
but then maybe thats the determinism of it all?
You keep using that word, i don't think you know what it means
its the balance
nirvanic is not a word... i think
but it means something to me that isn't being sent to you correctly.
i was refering to Poptart, not you citizen
oy vey my feelings are hurt
i want to be benevolent dictator 4 life, everybutty, vote 4 poptarts
Yeah, initially I thought I was dealing with an Ancap in you. I'm pretty sure you're just a radical libertarian at this point.
and i also said that i hound ancaps all the time for talking about abolishing "the government" .... what if ppl HAVE consented explicitly to a government of their choice?
then they're not ancaps, they're democratic voters
Like, I had a friend the other day that was talking shit about the 'Social Contract'.
Uh, the NAP is a social contract, too...
libertarian, yes. radical, no. i did vote for the President as a giant middle finger to my worthless vote here in California
I'm so sorry.
Come to Texas. We could use more like you.
lol i want to
Although, ffs, learn to get your ideas across a bit better, man! 😛
too bad such draconian drug laws in Texas! MJ needs to be decriminalized and normalized across the board
It actually looks like it is.
how do you think trump is going to get reeelected?
I would also like to be able to try weed, since I live in a state where it's legal
if he really wanted to, he'd de-criminalize MJ or at least legalize it (with an iron fist)
damn security clearance not allowing federally illegal drug use
mmmm, I actually think employers, including the government, should be able to have that sort of requirement.
not saying he would have to do that, but i mean its pretty much a non issue now. its legal across canada in what september? yeah hes going ride this blue wave while blazing a cuban blunt right to the edge of his wall... which probably won't happen until 2022.... maybe wtf do i know
I'm fine with drug use being allowed
an iron but fair fist
I draw the line at drug user as a protected class
they do have it. most places just don't drug test because of cost i'd imagine.
in like retail/service industry. but even in certain services they probably would first time.
and then if an incident occurred.
I drive for a living for my day job.
I had to take a drug test.
I'm also applying for a CHL. I'll be expected to be sober.
https://www.lawdepot.com/blog/what-makes-a-contract-invalid/ i was posting this yesterday regarding the social contract
Once I get the chance, I'll be starting Pilot classes
getting those survivor skills ready? worried that 2.0 is comin? 😛
Much like my drone license, I'm expected to stay off the Devil's Cabbage.
i got my drone liscence
it sure was a pain in the ass
oy mates, you got a loicense for dem drones?
You don't have to have a license for a drone unless you intend to make money with it.
did you mean lengthy prison sentences?
I'm working on building a media company.
i wish you the luck with that
Citizen, you from Texas?
i aint doxxxxxxxxxing myself!!!!!!!!.... but no
~~it will fail sadly but it doesnt hurt to go into new territories~~
yeah lets not and say we did
I mean... It might, it might not. I'm being clever about it, scary. 😛
i just want to wrap up the whole NAP argument with this resource for anyone who is interested..... ["Ed Stringham: Private Governance "] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiFWiGdLwE8 and i'll leave it at that for now
is there a reason why embeds are turned off?
Probably to prevent ye olde heckler's veto
i think they let you once lvl 10?
im not aware of this
thats going to be quite a while
I'm almost rank 9 already
with my luck yes
I only started posting yesterday
https://www.lawdepot.com/blog/what-makes-a-contract-invalid/ make sure to read this article and think about how it applies to the "social contract" too
i'm above level 10, lets see
nope this channel doesn't have thumnails
what are these levels?
When you start out on this server, you're a Pleb
Rank 10, you become a Normie
a system to prevent newcomers to just spam links everywhere
Rank 20, Regular
Rank 30, Veteran
so if we really want to debate about our levels, we should start with why mee6
Rank 40, Contributor
so its just a time? or a post over time?
if you write a message you get points, and you level up
and it has a 1 minute cooldown
you get a random amount of xp between 15 and 25 once per minute for posting
so you can't "spam" your way to high level
yeah no spam please