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2018-07-08 22:00:54 UTC

I might troll on occassion, but its still in the context of the debate

2018-07-08 22:01:13 UTC

I don't throw the entire debate off its rails and change the topic on the channel

2018-07-08 22:01:49 UTC

And it is debating,

When you debate, you try to persuade your audience, not the other person,
And nothing makes your side look better, than to get the other side to stumble and quiet down

2018-07-08 22:02:05 UTC

its why SJW's shame and yell

2018-07-08 22:02:12 UTC

"But its a tactic, it throws people off" .... not an argument πŸ˜‰

2018-07-08 22:02:32 UTC

It doesn't have to be, if it works to get your point across

2018-07-08 22:02:50 UTC

so you dont have to present arguments in a debate?

2018-07-08 22:02:55 UTC

then its not a debate

2018-07-08 22:03:01 UTC

And if you see it in someone and call them on it,

It makes THEM look foolish πŸ˜‰ which promotes your side

2018-07-08 22:03:15 UTC

so thats still not a debate LOL

2018-07-08 22:03:34 UTC

"It makes THEM look foolish πŸ˜‰ which promotes your side" 😹

2018-07-08 22:04:02 UTC

πŸ‘Œ 🐸

2018-07-08 22:04:07 UTC

hey mate, i don't make the rules,

If debating was all about who presents the truest facts, the Right-wing would be ruling the world

2018-07-08 22:04:36 UTC

If you present facts, but are a dick, people will still pick the other side, because they simply don't want to give you the win

2018-07-08 22:04:56 UTC

Debating is as much a game of wits as it is about presenting truth

2018-07-08 22:05:12 UTC

otherwise, all politicians would be scientists

2018-07-08 22:05:47 UTC

sure, im not even gonna pretend that some of those tacitcs cannot work out in my favor too

2018-07-08 22:06:06 UTC

oh they will, plenty of times

2018-07-08 22:06:35 UTC

but still not even going to pretend like im debating with any sort of arguments.... cuz would just be manipulating ppl subtley in that case πŸ˜‰

2018-07-08 22:06:42 UTC

If you perform such acts poorly, the audience will realise you're talking shit, and they will side with the other side

2018-07-08 22:07:06 UTC

welcome to debating

2018-07-08 22:07:58 UTC

well Mike Cernovich is effective.... but he plays on THAT front of the battleline where it belongs (trolling, etc)

2018-07-08 22:08:45 UTC

Look at Trump for example, his debate points were

"I'm gonna bring back Jobs,
I'm gonna do great,
You're Wrong,
I'm smart,

He still inspired people to vote for him

2018-07-08 22:09:25 UTC

and its not all "They just hated Hillary more"
Cuz Trump also won in the Republican party

2018-07-08 22:10:15 UTC

yeah, doesnt change the whole idea that debates require arguments... otherwise pure manipulative sophistry fluff

2018-07-08 22:10:23 UTC

well i did bring arguments

2018-07-08 22:10:32 UTC

you can't just discount me trolling on the side as me having no argument at all

2018-07-08 22:10:34 UTC

dirtying the waters with trolling too tho

2018-07-08 22:11:17 UTC

never said that... all i said was that i noticed you have a tendency to regress into trolling after your arguments start to fall apart

2018-07-08 22:11:41 UTC

nah, you don't get to decide my arguments fall appart just because you don't agree with them

2018-07-08 22:11:55 UTC

like today, you accused me of trolling right off the bat

2018-07-08 22:12:16 UTC

My argument cant fall appart if my opening statement is "trolling"

2018-07-08 22:12:25 UTC

lol okay ... that is what i have observed πŸ˜‰

2018-07-08 22:12:42 UTC

then you're wrong

2018-07-08 22:13:17 UTC

mostly referring to actually the "you would force vaccinate other ppl against their will" comment you made earlier is when i realized that you like to regress into trolling

2018-07-08 22:13:37 UTC

so it was fresh on my mind πŸ˜‰

2018-07-08 22:14:00 UTC

nah i was trolling when i said i'd strap them on the table personally :P

Since i support mandatory vaccines, i do technically wanna force vaccinate people against their will

2018-07-08 22:14:42 UTC

but its been 30 minutes since you said you had to go, shouldn't we shelve this discussion for another time? 😦

2018-07-08 22:15:56 UTC

okay... welll..... we have a physical removal plan for ppl who refuse to abide by the new NAP social contract πŸ˜‰ i guess youre safe since youre on the other side of the planet tho lol

2018-07-08 22:16:22 UTC

until the terrorists get me 😦

2018-07-08 22:16:38 UTC

EU loves inviting them over

2018-07-08 22:18:26 UTC

alrighty, dude. well gg heh

2018-07-08 22:18:37 UTC

yeah, good talk πŸ˜‰ take care

2018-07-09 00:11:39 UTC

#walkaway is fake. Change my mind.

2018-07-09 02:09:07 UTC

Beucase Trump is president?

2018-07-09 02:09:12 UTC


2018-07-09 02:23:41 UTC

So, heres a discussion I had before. Theres the new strain of rice, that can grow anywhere.

2018-07-09 02:24:03 UTC

Even in salt water, should solve food supply shortages in areas closer to the coastal areas.

2018-07-09 02:24:19 UTC

So my family has always been part of the anti GMO group.

2018-07-09 02:24:34 UTC

So they are saying that this is bad news.

2018-07-09 02:25:11 UTC

The only answers I am getting is stuff like "its unnatural" or that its "healthier" than the organic options.

2018-07-09 02:26:14 UTC

Has it been tested/grown?

2018-07-09 02:26:23 UTC


2018-07-09 02:26:49 UTC

But its been decades since GMOs are around, and I still dont think I got a straight answer as to its health effects.

2018-07-09 02:27:14 UTC

And it felt like the anti gmo crowd were the first to cry foul of it.

2018-07-09 02:28:06 UTC

That just speaks uninformed to me.

2018-07-09 02:30:15 UTC

I think being uninform is okay, but the willingness to listen and accept the 'truth' is more important

2018-07-09 02:31:50 UTC

I mean, its a dirty word as of now, but how much of that is from fearmongers, concerned citizens, or from actual results.

2018-07-09 02:31:56 UTC

We've been genetically modifying our food for as long as we've been growing it. Doing it through artificial selection vs more modern means isn't what matters

2018-07-09 02:32:04 UTC

It's the end result that does

2018-07-09 02:32:04 UTC

They say its different

2018-07-09 02:32:16 UTC

And that splicing is bad because its manmade and unnatural.

2018-07-09 02:32:32 UTC

There's nothing really to argue against there.

2018-07-09 02:32:43 UTC

Lots of stuff is unnatural. Doesn't mean it's bad.

2018-07-09 02:33:01 UTC

Now, the legal practices behind GMOs are something to complain about

2018-07-09 02:33:09 UTC

Isn't curare natural?

2018-07-09 02:34:59 UTC

Thats my only issue with it

2018-07-09 02:35:20 UTC

Mosanto's treatment of farmers does not help with the GMO situation

2018-07-09 02:35:52 UTC

There's also the possibility of weaponizing GMO bacteria/parasites

2018-07-09 02:36:27 UTC

I wouldn't go so far as saying that we GMO our food since we've been growing it, rather we selectively breed most of them

2018-07-09 02:43:48 UTC

All that matters is that the food should go to the people who will need it most. Prompt help will be more useful than delayed help.

2018-07-09 02:46:19 UTC

But the problem with GMO is that we are not sure of it's long term effects to the ecology and to the human body

2018-07-09 02:46:41 UTC

SO heres the thing.

2018-07-09 02:46:48 UTC

I think that's reasons for most people to distrust GMO

2018-07-09 02:46:53 UTC

THe people who are starving now. Which will help them live longer.

2018-07-09 02:47:13 UTC

Some food? Or something that keeps them alive longer but will kill them assuming GMOs do that.

2018-07-09 02:47:37 UTC

Its counting on the GMOs keeping them alive long enough for a better alternative to come along.

2018-07-09 02:47:57 UTC

Or else there will be no one to help when that alternative comes about

2018-07-09 02:48:49 UTC

True, I think it's okay to grow it first, based on the benefits that it helps people, until we have a better alternative

2018-07-09 02:49:36 UTC

But I'm worried for the future where we do have a GMO, but it's long term effect might be hard to reverse or even irreversible

2018-07-09 02:53:00 UTC

There are a actually facilities that archive seeds of all kind in preparation for emergencies.

2018-07-09 02:53:03 UTC

The only thing I can see that is ireversible by then, would be reliance on it.

2018-07-09 02:53:37 UTC

Imagine if all GMOs died, youd have alot of people starving if they fall back to previous seed strains.

2018-07-09 02:54:08 UTC

Like currently?

2018-07-09 02:54:16 UTC


2018-07-09 02:54:29 UTC

Exactly, we have plants that end up getting wiped out by disease.

2018-07-09 02:54:36 UTC

Since all of them are the same.

2018-07-09 02:54:53 UTC

Yeah, biodiversity is important here for sure.

2018-07-09 02:54:58 UTC

Thats why I said, overreliance is the issue here.

2018-07-09 02:55:06 UTC

Learn from the Irish

2018-07-09 02:55:09 UTC

We don't want to replace every crop with one super-rice

2018-07-09 02:56:11 UTC

You see people talking about cocoa possibly going extinct... There's probably a lot of money for whoever can figure out a way to make that grow in new environments

2018-07-09 03:01:24 UTC

there is NO consensus about GMO health safety

2018-07-09 03:03:21 UTC

Because they're NOT necessarily safe. You're changing the organism's DNA to make it a new one. So that means you COULD make something poisonous, but that doesn't mean changing corn to have bigger kernels is going to necessarily be unsafe if that's all that is changed.

2018-07-09 03:04:21 UTC

DNA is a highly complex set of code, and sometimes things are linked in ways we previously didn't understand. That means we should be careful moving forward and not put all our eggs in one basket. It doesn't mean avoiding all change.

2018-07-09 03:04:40 UTC

They're changing the genes in the corn to turn the freaking frogs gay!!

2018-07-09 03:05:02 UTC

Isn't kermit gay?

2018-07-09 03:05:48 UTC

Ok, but really on some level he was right. But the chemicals are actually turning frogs trans.

2018-07-09 03:07:36 UTC

ya, its the atrazine and other indocrine disruptors and estrogen mimickers

2018-07-09 03:08:03 UTC

Sargon did a hilarious video on the "Gay Frog Holocaust" or something liek that

2018-07-09 03:09:05 UTC

"We've been genetically modifying our food for as long as we've been growing it." but this is just plain untrue and is a common talking point sowed by slick snake oil salesmen πŸ˜‰

2018-07-09 03:09:32 UTC

GMO are fundamentally different than natural plant hybridization

2018-07-09 03:09:47 UTC

they are *trans*-genic

2018-07-09 03:10:03 UTC

also, they are *patented* as well

2018-07-09 03:10:14 UTC

so they are *novel* inventions

2018-07-09 03:10:59 UTC

tell me..... how do you "breed" a pig with an elephant?

2018-07-09 03:11:09 UTC

or a spider with a goat?

2018-07-09 03:12:00 UTC


2018-07-09 03:12:06 UTC

or a jellyfish with a feline .... or a cow with a pig ..... or a mold with a plant ... *or a human with an animal*.... see this is fundamentally different science

2018-07-09 03:12:15 UTC

welll.... trick question πŸ˜‰

2018-07-09 03:12:21 UTC

the answer is GMOs thru genetic engineering as it is properly known

2018-07-09 03:12:42 UTC

Then that's not whatever it originally is

2018-07-09 03:12:51 UTC

Well that's sort of the point

2018-07-09 03:13:27 UTC

thats what it means now .... legally speaking, so all that really matters. they are not the same things as DOGS as is a common and erroneous talking point

2018-07-09 03:13:33 UTC

dogs are not GMOs

2018-07-09 03:13:41 UTC

Similar to replacing wood on a ship, at what point does a cow becomes non cow if you keep replacing it's DNA

2018-07-09 03:15:01 UTC

there are two technical requirements as for as i understand for something to be considered a GMO *legally speaking* ..... 1) trans-genic 2) patented

2018-07-09 03:15:49 UTC

I think people shouldn't be able to patent GMOs

2018-07-09 03:16:10 UTC

Why shouldn't they?

2018-07-09 03:16:10 UTC

and i dont even think both are required.... its all about the methodology especially splice and dicing among different animal kingdoms

2018-07-09 03:16:30 UTC

It's a difficult situation because then there's very little incentive for them to create them.

2018-07-09 03:17:07 UTC

In it's actual sense as long as there is a splicing and joining of the DNA it should be GMO

2018-07-09 03:17:13 UTC

I think that first of all the patents should be very limited in length, and secondly there should be protections for those whose crops naturally gain crossover with the GMO

2018-07-09 03:17:25 UTC

there are natural hybrids that can occur with even artifical selection..... and then there are GMOs .... they are fundamentally different

2018-07-09 03:17:37 UTC

Only in their origin

2018-07-09 03:18:06 UTC

The end result is the same?

2018-07-09 03:19:12 UTC

the crossover thing is why I dislike GMO patents

2018-07-09 03:19:34 UTC

look at what Monanto does with their patents

2018-07-09 03:19:50 UTC

The end result CAN be the same

2018-07-09 03:20:59 UTC

you can't save Monsanto seeds to plant next year's crops and if some get mixed into your field by the wind it's your fault and you're violating the patent

2018-07-09 03:22:18 UTC

no, i disagree..... different paths always lead to different results when you get down to the knitty gritty

2018-07-09 03:23:31 UTC

well that is just bad statist legal structure... in reality monsanto would be considerd polluting yoru seed stock adn would be subject to being sued for damages (rather than the other way around)

2018-07-09 03:23:55 UTC

see, GMOs produce *novel proteins*

2018-07-09 03:30:49 UTC

Too bad that Monsanto took the initiative in sueing the farmers

2018-07-09 03:31:28 UTC

not to mention all the potential unforseeable (and undesirable) epigenetic changes and other mutations that occur beyond the scope of these arrogant scientific elite

2018-07-09 03:32:26 UTC

ya, but they have just gamed how the government is set up tho to allow that sort of exploitation THRU statism

2018-07-09 03:33:14 UTC

not to mention all the pay offs for courts officials and judges, etc and other politicians bought off in their pockets

2018-07-09 05:50:04 UTC

@missdanger .... now that, i would consider murder

2018-07-09 05:50:37 UTC


2018-07-09 05:51:45 UTC

Well I mean, at least this was from before they started adding music to this shit to FULLY manipulate emotions.

2018-07-09 05:51:50 UTC

Let me do some research on this one.

2018-07-09 05:52:40 UTC

this is much worse than a careless case of manslaughter.... its much more violent and intentional to cause harmat the very least

2018-07-09 05:53:31 UTC

Still though they will get the least possible ammount of time behind bars

2018-07-09 05:54:02 UTC

So manslaughter

2018-07-09 05:55:13 UTC

```Dixon, who said she had taken a home pregnancy test, said she had a miscarriage inside the Marion County Arrestee Processing Center shortly after her arrest.

After she was released, Dixon went to Community Hospital East, but medical records did not indicate a pregnancy. The police report of the incident does not mention Dixon being pregnant.```

2018-07-09 05:56:36 UTC


2018-07-09 05:56:50 UTC

So she wasn't pregnant

2018-07-09 05:57:09 UTC

I mean, according to her lawyer she was.

2018-07-09 05:57:14 UTC


2018-07-09 05:58:37 UTC

But she wasn't

2018-07-09 05:58:55 UTC

Medical and police reports say otherwise

2018-07-09 05:59:05 UTC

The police may not have cared to ask.

2018-07-09 05:59:05 UTC

Looks like she made that up

2018-07-09 05:59:12 UTC


2018-07-09 05:59:20 UTC

People NEVER make shit up involving the police!

2018-07-09 05:59:25 UTC


2018-07-09 05:59:37 UTC

I meant the whole pregnancy thing

2018-07-09 06:00:27 UTC

You've really got to consider, though, that the only side to the story you're getting from them is the news team, the lawyer, and the 'victim'.

2018-07-09 06:00:57 UTC

It'd be really nice to see some dash-cam or body-cam footage from the incident, but that's a pretty big ask.

2018-07-09 06:01:21 UTC

But at least part of the story seems like it might've been made up.

2018-07-09 06:01:35 UTC

In a 'you can't prove it didn't happen' sort of way.

2018-07-09 06:01:40 UTC

I'd believe that

2018-07-09 06:02:08 UTC

This was pre-Ferguson

2018-07-09 06:02:15 UTC


2018-07-09 06:02:33 UTC

so it was before Black Lives Matter, but there... one second...

2018-07-09 06:03:00 UTC

"Edward Stringham on Radically Rethinking Police" @missdanger @RyeNorth

2018-07-09 06:03:36 UTC

```Indianapolis attorney Everett Powell has been disbarred after he was caught making false statements to the Indiana Supreme Court Disciplinary Commission. Powell was charged with making false statements and submitting false evidence when he was trying to be reinstated to practice law.

``` -unrelated

2018-07-09 06:03:38 UTC

i deleted this vid from the shitposting thread bcuz insulting place to be posting from the Mises Institute

2018-07-09 06:04:03 UTC


2018-07-09 06:04:10 UTC

Anwyays yeah

2018-07-09 06:04:42 UTC

```Powell’s reinstatement proceedings β€œbrought to light numerous additional uncharged instances of misconduct committed in the wake of our prior suspension order,” the justices wrote in their opinion that his conduct warranted disbarment. β€œThe grounds for the instant charges – Respondent’s elaborate scheme to convince to Commission and this Court that he had made full restitution to T.G. when in fact he had not – are but the culmination of a years-long endeavor to game the system,” the opinion states. β€œThat endeavor ends today.”```

2018-07-09 06:05:24 UTC

So, lawyer man that took that case has been caught falsifying evidence before...

2018-07-09 06:05:29 UTC

or since...

2018-07-09 06:05:39 UTC

Time is hard to tell with this case.

2018-07-09 06:06:07 UTC

I mean yeah it's hard to tell

2018-07-09 06:06:25 UTC

So who violated who's NAP?

2018-07-09 06:06:30 UTC

thats just a drop in the bucket.... not as if the cop wouldnt have been held liable/accountable if it ended up being true that she was pregnant....

2018-07-09 06:06:51 UTC

Why was the cop called out?

2018-07-09 06:06:56 UTC

Do you know that much?

2018-07-09 06:07:04 UTC

There is no thought process when it comes to that point.

2018-07-09 06:07:09 UTC

It doesn't say in anything that I've seen.

2018-07-09 06:07:10 UTC

I hope for the day when all police are replace with androids

2018-07-09 06:07:10 UTC

trust me, you dont want me to be overloading this thread with case after case of pure Blue ISIS thuggary

2018-07-09 06:07:21 UTC


2018-07-09 06:07:31 UTC

So the police are a terrorist organization?

2018-07-09 06:07:40 UTC

They needed to take the suspect down to the best of their ability

2018-07-09 06:08:09 UTC

If the woman was being wreckless yeah its her fault

2018-07-09 06:08:27 UTC

The police are ordinary human fucking beings tasked with the difficult task of enforcing the law.

2018-07-09 06:08:46 UTC

Does the fact that some human beings are scum

2018-07-09 06:08:48 UTC

But if they knew and still did it, thats still mansluaughter

2018-07-09 06:08:51 UTC

equate to human beings being scum?

2018-07-09 06:09:25 UTC

It's just a badge and a gun

2018-07-09 06:09:25 UTC

Because that same dichotomy exists within the police force.

2018-07-09 06:09:31 UTC

They aren't different

2018-07-09 06:09:44 UTC

yes, the police are just ordinary human beings man.... THATS is exactly the point im getting across... they need to start acting like it!

2018-07-09 06:10:05 UTC

They make mistakes

2018-07-09 06:10:16 UTC

@scaryred24 badge, a gun, and a costume

2018-07-09 06:10:23 UTC


2018-07-09 06:10:35 UTC

im behind Gavin Seim on this one

2018-07-09 06:10:54 UTC

Then what do you call an off-duty officer then?

2018-07-09 06:11:28 UTC

no different than you and i still ... badges dont grant extra rights

2018-07-09 06:11:39 UTC

You already called them terrorists.

2018-07-09 06:11:52 UTC

If you're going to backpedal on that, say so.

2018-07-09 06:12:10 UTC

A badge just proves what their profession is and where they work for

2018-07-09 06:12:22 UTC

An Islamic State militant goes to bed an Islamic State Militant.

2018-07-09 06:12:54 UTC


2018-07-09 06:12:55 UTC

If you want to call the police terrorists, you need to be consistent in that.

2018-07-09 06:13:07 UTC

well im not a boot licker

2018-07-09 06:13:14 UTC

Which they are not

2018-07-09 06:14:05 UTC

Neither am I. I'm well aware of the fact that there are problems within the police that need to be solved.

2018-07-09 06:14:17 UTC

I've walked on both sides of the argument before.

2018-07-09 06:14:38 UTC

I mean, fuck, back in 2014 I marched with BLM (before I caught what they were up to)

2018-07-09 06:14:41 UTC

Gavin Seim coined the term, Blue ISIS... it's edgey, yes, very edgey... sure triggers alot of people, aye! but im behind Gavin 100%

2018-07-09 06:14:52 UTC


2018-07-09 06:15:06 UTC

I've done suicide walks

2018-07-09 06:15:27 UTC

its edgy as fuck

2018-07-09 06:15:40 UTC

But I've also done my research into the facts of the matter, and MOST of the damned attacks against the police today are absolutely fucked.

2018-07-09 06:15:46 UTC

The most I've done was LGBT movements

2018-07-09 06:15:49 UTC

by attacks I mean verbal.

2018-07-09 06:16:02 UTC

'argumentative' attacks.

2018-07-09 06:16:26 UTC

>verval attacks

2018-07-09 06:16:48 UTC

i agree too.... but it goes both ways.... they have the legions of lawyers behind them to egg them on to treat other fellow humans so extremely inhumanely

2018-07-09 06:17:01 UTC

You lose me there.

2018-07-09 06:17:43 UTC

like that fucking "Sergeant Bubbles" thug threatening to arrest that chick who was just blowing bubbles in a protest

2018-07-09 06:18:33 UTC

at the end of the day, they need to treat us with as much respect as they expect in return

2018-07-09 06:19:07 UTC

treat us like .... oh... i dont know... customers because we are being forced to pay their damn bills after all?

2018-07-09 06:20:18 UTC

I mean, generally, they do...

2018-07-09 06:20:41 UTC

Don't forget they pay themselves too

2018-07-09 06:21:53 UTC

pfft I mean look at this, you've basically turned the police into a bourgeoisie class

2018-07-09 06:22:10 UTC

complete with collectivization of them as an 'other'.

2018-07-09 06:22:44 UTC

And I wasn't sure if that was what you were doing either until that last bit...

2018-07-09 06:23:09 UTC

Wasn't sure if you were talking about the uniform or the people who wear them

2018-07-09 06:24:11 UTC

But seriously, ' they need to treat us with as much respect as they expect in return', Your beef is with the actual officers, not the police as an institution.

2018-07-09 06:25:30 UTC

And the actions of any one cop seem to reflect the actions of all cops.

2018-07-09 06:26:28 UTC

The thing is, I absolutely think there are officers on the force that should not carry a badge, for various reasons. We DO need police officers that can show proper judgement in the field.

2018-07-09 06:28:23 UTC

Unless we could brainwash them to forgo parts of their human nature

2018-07-09 06:29:04 UTC

"Hans-Hermann Hoppe: What Marx Gets Right"

2018-07-09 06:29:33 UTC

I'm going to have to opt out of this shit, man...

2018-07-09 06:29:52 UTC

It's weak.

2018-07-09 06:30:02 UTC


2018-07-09 06:30:09 UTC

Also, your recommended videos are now fucked btw.

2018-07-09 06:30:42 UTC

If you have to default to someone else for your arguments, you don't grasp them nearly well enough.

2018-07-09 06:30:44 UTC

lol they ARE a class of people with different "rules" for them than us

2018-07-09 06:31:27 UTC

they are part of the actual ruling class .... just takes some common sense to realize

2018-07-09 06:31:32 UTC

Whites are a class of people with different rules for them than us.

2018-07-09 06:31:42 UTC

They are part of the actual ruling class... just takes some common sense to realize.

2018-07-09 06:31:57 UTC

LOL now you just trolling

2018-07-09 06:32:10 UTC

feel free to peace out then in that case

2018-07-09 06:32:41 UTC

Is there a TL;DR version of that video?

2018-07-09 06:32:46 UTC

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