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people use the word empathy wrong. we need some widespread education on that, and the differences towards solipsism and compassion
Those who support uncontrolled immigration for access to the new slaves are a bigger concern to me.
it's like people mixing up schizophrenia with split personality disorder
I guess its just the classic bourgeoisie vs proles
the bourgeoisie are not really affected by immigrants (unless they are highly skilled immigrants) whereas the proles are
And above the new slave owner class would be the Soros types who see immigration waves as power. Engineering crises through population change in order to expand their power.
nah crisis is bad for soros
a stable market gives him confidence... without it he could lose everything
dude, the genius knows how to exploit chaos
so crisis it is
crisis follow rules
just as everything else
you just need to be far enough away from it to observe, notice and use to your advantage
grab seven friends and play twilight imperium every weekend for the next half year. you'll figure it out
nah crisis is bad news for the rich... volatility it fine... but crisis could lose you billions
a recession in one country these days is pretty much a recession in every country
If I were an amoral billionaire who wanted to expand my power in the US I'd try my damnedest to collapse nations in South America while simultaneously organizing migrant caravans north and pro-immigration protests in the US.
A smart billionaure wants order to mantain it. A genius creates chaos and profits from it.
for what reason?
@wacka you just don't know how to set things up properly before flipping over the dominos
you only make money for a crisis if you have stable place to offer to "help" rebuild after the crisis.
like american post WW2
just the game? just because? that is your reason?
@Grenade123 You assume too much good natured hearts. After a certain amount of money, making more or gaining more influence, is just a game to some people. nothing more
how is internationally destabilizing a country so you can "offer to help" rebuild it to make more money and gain influence "good nature"
for some people that is enough. unless you figure out an ulterior motive, even that of a bond villain, it is, in all cases "the game", it is being played anyway, deeper reasons or not, if you want it or not
you were mentioning the sensible rich people
Like Warren Buffett lobbying Obama to block oil pipelines. He owns all the oil tanker rolling stock.
bill gates has supported social justice nonsense. i believe he is good natured. i also belief he is a crook and a twat and an idiot
It's vastly more expensive and more dangerous to move oil by rail, and Warren Buffett doesn't need the money, but he is exercising power by blocking pipelines.
"you only make money for a crisis if you have stable place to offer to "help" rebuild after the crisis." this was your "good" reasoning. it is not necessary to simply play the game for the game's sake
and if you're a psychopath, why would you care for the fates of people? they're just statistics. or you're a sadist, and may enjoy the suffering
that is no a "good" reason. outside good from a PR sense as it is an easy sell to make hand of fist money and gain easy influence
staying on the topic of soros, as he was brought up; does anything know whether he is psychologically deviant?
Or worse, you could believe you are helping them by killing them.
because you could infer some things from that
Stalin honestly believed what he was doing was best.
so did hitler
they thought of it as necessary evils
i feel like we are in "jews are evil because they are jews" argument.
that's just you thinking that
no, that is you too
you just admitted he reasons are "just because"
no, we're talking on a meta level here
I think what we're trying to say is that even extremely powerful and intelligent people can act pathologically.
you're invited to climb the ladder, come out of the box
and you're thinking in groups again, you assume we're talking about groups, while we're actually talking about systems
Soros himself has said that he has a "Savior Complex"
"you just admitted he reasons are "just because" at no point did I mention anything about jews kiddo. get your antifa bat back into the closet
you missed the point entirely
fine, "god exists because god exists" argument
aka, "just because"
@Grenade123 oh we're playing that game again? "you missed the point entirely" No you did
everyone has a reason for doing things
even if their logic is twisted or warped
People are not machines. We are emotional beings made of meat and chemicals.
We don't perform like clockwork analytical engines.
okay, let me explain "just because" to you: it's fun. because it is fun. it's fun to gain, it's fun to win, it's fun making predictions and seeing you were right in your calculations and machinations coming true. mmmh, that tasty serotonin
and you couldn't say that before because....?
it's probably too obvious for me, sorry
We have so many things wrong with our brains that we have a huge list of specific names for them.
I've seen too many people solely acting for emotional self-reward and the like. Fewest of them "competent", but they all do it.
too many? try all people.
minus those who are logically beyond reason
or more accurately logical to the point they are labelled as being mentally ill.
no, there are exceptions. few in number but... there's little reason for you personally standing up for others you don't even know much in the face of danger
pathological altruists certainly are mentally ill in a way 😛
but then so is everyone who doesn't want to acknowledge the dark side, the evil disguised behind a smile, in humanity in the people around them
Not all people act solely for themselves. There is probably a few people on Earth that are truly selfless. Like Deku in the anime Boku no Hero
>there are many be a few people
>only example is not a real person
yeah... but you have to competent enough and able to survive and sustain yourself in your selflessness
because most people who do that just die
or at least get so close to it that they grow bitter and shut themselves in
tell me, what is the point of survival?
depends on the resolution
we all die.
there is no stopping it
at the lowest i'd say sustenance and spread of genes
so why delay it?
stop the nihilism you twat
its not nihilism. its an honest question.
Also I just noticed this is the newsroom
it is a nihilistic question, figure it out yourself
we all die, this is a fact. Yet we try so hard to try and survive. Why?
because that's the only way you will accept the answer that does not kill you
everyone has a reason.
but if genes if a reason and you have children, the only way to keep your genes alive beyond your death, then being altruistic to those younger than you makes sense as their bodies will be better suited to keeping your children alive than yours. This only becomes more important the older you get.
you're on a good track there
also the right track to figure out why tribalism works the way it does
to a limit though
Altruism is only beneficial, if the people don't need it in the first place
Else they become dependent, and then can't survive without you
and since they dont need it in the first place for altruism to be beneficial, it doesnt work
that would depend on how you exhibit your altruism.
blindly doing anything is not, generally, logical.
and just handing out things for free without reason is blind altruism
( ( ( p a t h o l o g i c a l ) ) )
look it up
it's a thing
which definition you want me to follow?
this really isint the room for this discussion but my natural instinct is to help people. though it is a cost/benefit/familiarity/extremity analysis on my part
suggestion: "newsroom-commentary" as a room
i'd just say a general off-topic channel
Cuz half of these things aren't really news nor shitposting
nor fake 😉
another day, another shooting
that statement has been true since the 20's, maybe even before
since the first succesful gun prototype i'd say
wow 8 people dead in that texas shooting
"An armed person walked into an art class at the school and began firing what looked like a shotgun, a witness told CNN affiliate KTRK."
CNN later today: Ban assault weapons
Is done the aisle the the right
the left: "Ban high cap mags, AR-15s, and semi autos to prevent another tragedy like this!"
observant people: "But.... that wouldn't have banned a pump action shotgun."
i'm sure most of those people see "assault weapon" as any weapon you can attack (assault) with
#EndageredSpeciesDay is trending on twitter. US students aren't on the list. No need to worry yet.
what about black liberals?
those are extinct already
non on the wild.
anyone here read Utopia?
its interesting the similarities with 1984, except with the opposite viewpoint... like obrien says I dont want to force you to do this, I want you to want to "be a good citizen" kinda thing... but in Utopia its more about all the Utopians rather than a specific character... but the way it describes things... like "everyone can go to bed whenever they want, but they all want to go to bed at a reasonable time".. the idea of Utopia seems to be a place where everyone just thinks the same
also utopia seems to have slavery 😛 .. but I guess it was written in the 1500's so...
but on the 1984 thing... its like with 1984, its written with the idea of "this is a bad thing".. and with Utopia its written with the idea of "this is a good thing"
wasn't the opposite of 1984, Brave New World?
I mean its the opposite in the way of basically writting the same story
like, the same story, but with the opposite view on whether its good or bad
That seems to be how people these days view communist.
"it's a good thing if we all do this"
Yet don't realize how much bad you need to do.in order to even try and get there
Checking in from Texas. Equipped with a GoPro, a drone, and license to fly commercial footage. If any video is needed for coverage, ask.
Santa Fe is a short drive away, and I'm off tomorrow.
Hell, I'm off today at 5pm.
I've spoken before about what I think sub verse could be. I'd be all talk if I didn't offer.
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/997465862243315713 'Most people if they were actually being taken out of context would find a different way of saying things after the first 100 times, particularly when they are president. So it’s a bit clever to do “boy the media botched this again!”
I thought Subverse would be a place where local journalists would be able to share their coverage. For me as a local in Sweden, it´s hard to get a following, so I quit. Maybe I´ll start again once we get closer to the elecition but I don´t find it interessting when noone cares about my coverage anyway 😦
"Googles leaked video on mass behaviour modification"
I see local coverage and cooperation. Travel and footage are major competing expenses for a news organization. An alliance of independent journalists activated as needed could make a difference for independent journalism.
It would. Masses of sleeper cells. Only thing is I live at the arse end of the middle of nowhere, the only thing interesting thing thats happened here in the last year is a combine getting wrapped up power cables, knocking the power out for a day. Poor bastard was stuck in the cab hours. 😉
servers his dumbass right for knocking out everyones power
i think men need to take back this "mansplaining" term... just basically whenever you are talking to someone and are about to use the word "explain" just use mansplain instead... l"let me mansplain"
in a few years it will be "sexist" .. like "policeman" etc
("take back" is probably not the correct term there.. but you know what I was trying to mansplain)
I think men need to claim "Femsplain" instead, where they then belittle the people who care by pretending to lower themselves to their standards :P
"Let me femsplain it so you understand"
If they find it sexist, you then cure the whole point of <gender>splaining
If they are insulted, you can laugh at them, making their point moot
If they accept it, you have an excuse 😛
that just seems like you are belittling people tho... also Im not thinking just when youre talking to women .. Im think just in general... just basically erode the word "explain" from existance
you two are assuming that they posesess something resembling self awareness
doesnt matter if they dont
imagine in 5yrs if the word mansplain was basically synonymous with explain.... if a woman said "stop mansplaining" it would essentially sound (to anyone) like they are basically saying "stop explaining"
(which in a way they already are... unless Ive misunderstood what mansplain means)
you will not get it to be synonymous with explain because the only people using it now are stupid idiots and reasonable people will not use it because they don't want to look like a stupid idiot
and yes, it does mean "stop explaining things i don't want to understand"
Ive just seen it in a few tweets recently
every single time i've seen it in a tweet (which is the only place i've seen it outside of buzzfeed or the like) it was used by someone who i would not want to interact with on any level
hence the belittling,
Rationality doesn't work on people who actually use Mansplaining unironically
might aswell make it a snowflake thing 😛
update on the molenbeek fire from a couple days ago
apparently some actress from westworld was saying people mansplain the series to her
the investigators concluded that the fire might have been arson
actors are not people i have respect for
1 person got sent to the hospital in shock
what about Tom Hanks?
there where no other casualties/injured
14k RTs 55k likes https://twitter.com/TheTweetOfGod/status/997521849775898624?s=20
I mean... theyre still counting the bodies
to be fair,
As much as i genuinely enjoy that tweet :P
I feel Trump is in a can't win situation, if he says nothing they'll accuse him of not caring cuz he doesn't respond enough
so trump is not allowed to say that there was a shooting?
I think it was just a joke... but the amount of rt's likes kinda says something
i dunno, every single tweet trump makes draws that level
not trumps tweet.... "god"'s tweet
and they're both a mixture of people going "haha" and people going "knock it off fag"
thats what i'm comparing
aside from the most recent one, Trumps last 10 tweets have gotten ~15,000 retweets and ~50,000 likes
right but how many does "tweet of god" usually get?
and probably about 10k responses that throw unrelated insults at him
if anyone has a case of getting harassed online - its trump 😄
granted thats lower, his usual tweets aren't targeted at the most dividing subject in current time 😛
now that im looking at God's tweets, its only about 20-30% higher than usual
but anyway, good joke, albeit an easy target,
i don't even like the joke. it's basically saying "fuck the victims, i'm not blessing anyone"
But i am easily amused by bouts of random verbal aggression 😛
but its how you interprate it,
One side will see it like you said, where he's basically saying "Fuck the victim, im not blessing anyone"
The other side will see it as god saying "Fuck you asshole, i'm not your tool to pretend to care"
usually i am also... but when it comes to trump its just annoying at this point, there is nothing anyone can hurl at him that colbert & co have not thrown at him within a month of his presidency
i could really live without the constant "trump is a <instert buzzword here>, look at me i'm funny"
now THAT 100%, which is why i said, easy target,
Cuz with trump its damned if you do damned if you don't
If he says something, they spit on him for saying something
If he says nothing, they spit on him for saying nothing
And anything anti-trump is widely accepted as good/funny, when its in a lot of cases not at all
personally i'm pro-trump mind you 😛
wish Europe got someone like him
1.1 school shootings per week.... thats not that same stat that used "reported" shots, or ones unrelated to school that happened on or next to school grounds from earlier in the year. When there was like 12 and only 3 of them actually had someone at school hurt or killed, is it?
for something to be funny it has to be 1) unexpected, 2) some degree of true and 3) in good faith. the god tweet had the first without the second and third. but its one more than anything on late nighttv.
only 1.1 per week?
I wasn't 2015 like 1 per day?
or am i mixing just mass shootings?
i disagree with the 3rd one, comedy doesn't have to be in good faith
That said, theres a difference between joking at someones expense and just being hateful
and wiki has 20 school shootings for 2018 which includes idiots shooting themselves while playing with a gun
what up peepz
maybe mixing mass shootings. but last time i heard that stat, it included instances like 2 gang members or like a bad drug deal that happened in the parking lot. it also included accidental discharge with no injuries
the school shooting stat
anything to add numbers for an argument i guess
@Grenade123 thats why we need this information on blockchains 😕
no one knows true stats anymore they can just be fudged
a joke in bad faith is an insult, which makes it not funny.
I recall Styxhexenhammer even saying that in order to drive gun incidents down after some gun-control, they changed the numbers that a mass shooting required like 6 people hurt as opposed to 4 before
tweets can be faked
tweets can be deleted
why the fuck did we make such a shit system
insults can be funny, they just have to be witty and true
"A student shot another student with a BB gun in Gloversville Middle School."
^ they include this
"One person was hospitalized after a shooting at an apartment building on the campus of the University of South Alabama."
^ and this
people need to stop blaming the schools
and starting being better parents
and this "A student was shot inside a dormitory at Jackson State University. His injuries were not life-threatening."
who actually spend more than 15 mins with this children a day
a lot of "yeah, technically thats true" in there
oh shots fired
"Two people were shot to death at a dormitory on the campus of Central Michigan University. The victims were not students and police think the incident stemmed from a domestic situation.
i'm curious about this one tbh
"A student at Norfolk State University was shot from an adjacent dorm room while he was doing homework. He was not seriously injured."
"A person was shot in a rec center at Mississippi Valley State University. Police said the person was not a student and the injury was not life-threatening."
In parenting is non existant the middle class has disapper and now people work 2-3 jobs alone
to support a child who is alone and raises themself
"A person was shot on the campus of Savannah State University and taken to a nearby hospital where he later died. Neither the victim nor the shooter were university students, the college said."
massacures happeend lmao
I think shit is pretty fuckin safe
Schools get less violent every year
"A Winston-Salem State University football player, Najee Ali Baker, was shot to death at a party on the campus of Wake Forest University."
the thing is people wont let you look at the overall stats
Drug crime vs violent crime
thats like 8 or so out of those 20, which i would say don't really count
and the amount of drug crime like crack sales done by the DEA/CIA has effected violent crime
Gary webb wrote a book about CIA selling cocaine
Tons of intentional distortion and conflation of information to demoralize you and exert control over you.
it's pretty likely to be true. Why else would they tighten drug laws at the same time of building crack networks?
Confuse you with reams of misinformation until you don't know what's what and can't possibly hope to sort through it all.
this isn't including the few negligent discharges, which make up a few others
they knew it would enslave poor and black people.
and they would be the new irish
from what i understand a lot of gang violence at schools would be considered school shootings if the perpetrator was white